₦airaland Forum

Yujin:
No part of Nigeria was under the Songhai empire. Hausaland did trade with the empire though.

illicit:
I don't dispute these old empires though


They are defunct now and the countries bearing such names now just do it for posterity sake....

My argument is that interior West africans were domiciled here, we hardly venture out, even if we had horses, it's mainly for warfare and not exploration of transportation like the Europeans....


for example, we were told that Oranmiyan set out on a punitive expedition against the tivs or so.... when he got to river Niger he turned back because he couldn't cross the river.... that told you that we were a primitive race, no means of transportation to go far.... Europeans had boats and ships at this time in question....


How many miles can a horse go self....


Europeans that colonised Africa didn't come on horses, they came in ships....

We had no means of going that long distance that's my point

Yujin:
Don't mind the OP. He's fixated in claiming a glorious history for Nigeria that he forgot to face reality. As at the time of the Moor conquest of Southern Europe, most of present day West African kingdoms were still in their infancy. I will only agree partly with him if he claims that the base of our ancestors who may have partook in that conquest was in north Africa. There's certainly no doubt that most West Africans came to this part of Africa from north Africa. To say West Africans came all the way from here pass through North Africa to go conquer southern Europe is a lie. If it were so, they could have replicated that great feats they did in Spain here in West Africa. How come they had no magnificent palaces here in West Africa? Not even old Benin had anything compared to the luxury of the Moors in Europe.

As for the use of horses, I believe when that West Africans who lived in the sahel used both horses and camels just like the north Africans. Whereas deep in the forests of West Africa, the usage of horses fluctuated due to the issue of tsetse flies. Benin Empire had horses just like the Oyos but these horses where prone to sicknesses and died only to be replaced from northern Nigeria where the weather is friendlier to them. In Igbo history especially northern Igboland, the same story of horses were told but they always mentioned that horses were prone to having a short life span. You can corroborate this by checking to see that there's no single horse farms in Southern Nigeria when the European conquest of Nigeria started. That horses appeared in Benin bronze castings doesn't mean it was a regular occurrence among the Bini people.

The climate didn't allow the sustenance of using horses to the fullest.

In the late 1800s, only Ilorin was noted to having a cavalry closest to southern Nigeria.

My whole point is that the Moors might have had some of her men from those that formed present day Nigeria but one can't claim that it was West Africans that did the conquest for the reasons I explained above. If it was West Africans, they could have replicated something similar in their home lands in West Africa. The greatest cities mentioned in West African history is Timbuktu and Benin City. Non of them had anything as grand as what the Moors achieved. The missing link is North Africa.

illicit:
The Savannah and not the sahel

Vidsolution79:
All these moors are in hell fire now...let's move on abeg..

illicit:
MALI isn't interior West Africa, they trade with the Arabs, they are on the trade route.... most people on Musas Entourage were on foot as well, they were porters

thebosstrevor1:
What do you expect? The natives could offer only hut for accommodation to explorers like Livingstone.

but the Europeans still end up bringing European architecture here, who do you think built the first building in Nigeria

illicit:
you are a foolish elder for this statement....


A foolish elder doesn't know the difference between correction and outright insult.


No matter how elder u are, when u insult a toddler, expect to be paid back in ur own coins....



let ur arguments be devoid of insults

thebosstrevor1:
You have started again with your fake stories.

Nigerian conquered Europe but still are still living in hut when the Europeans arrived.

illicit:
old man, u insulted me first

illicit:
You are very stupid, what are you teaching
who cares about your horses?


Did u find horses on NOK art? or Ife Terra cotta

I am simply telling u it's a recent thing, did u even know when Oyo raised a Calvary

It was shortly before the British arrived?


We didn't go to any Europe, get that into ur thick skull

illicit:
Hausa fulani yes, they were close to the Sahel and stayed on caravan routes, it's normal, they are used to it but you see the Oyo and Benin, that was a very much later thing, Oyo adopted Calvary during the Ekiti parapo war, and it wasn't effective because if our topography.... we were never horse men, we trekked everywhere

illicit:
interior West Africa had no horses sir

illicit:
West Africans don't travel far from their abode historically....


That's why u find NOK arts here and no where else....


They had no sophisticated means of transportation

WoundedLamb:
That is exactly the question OP was asking. The poor guy is not this unidentifed people who you said deliberately distorted history. He is only a Nairalander who created a thread asking a question he thinks is worth discussing. You could educate us all if you know better; I believe that is why the thread was created. But calling him delusional, inferiority complex case, etc. was uncalled for because at the end, no one learns and the whole essence of the thread is lost.

Dayoebe:
Its not up to 10 nw .

SocialJustice:
Thank you. But I'm not the cause of the frustration you call life. Let me be.

SocialJustice:
Fine hotels but just like someone said at the top, Nigeria no join. These hotels are even more expensive than higher quality hotels in Las Vegas, New York, UK, UAE.

At least there are places for foreigners to manage when they visit this shit hole.

Aconomist:
Maybe low IQ. Fully evolved people would rather fight to the death than be ruled by outsiders. I think most black people have a slave gene.

Sunmoluvic:
Let them first investigate the UK army for war crime against people in Iraq.

berbs:
Funny. Like he used his money.

tradepunter:
At least it's still the same British system investigating their own crime... This can never happen in Nigeria or China

Accountability is what I admire about this people... Just because its their soldiers that committed the crime didn't Stop them from investigations and bringing it to the ICC.