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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 12:51pm On Oct 04, 2014
elampiro:
Welbeck hardly shoots. So how do you mean he misses so much. How does someone who hardly shoots misses so much? Welbeck has the same conversion rate as Chicharito even though Chicha plays closer to the goalkeeper than Welbeck- Chicha was a striker throughout.

Last season:

Welbeck total shot= 46, goals 9
Chicharito total shots 21, goals 4
Rooney total shots = 101, goals 17
RVP total shots= 62, goals 12.
What exactly does Welbeck do!? He hardly shoots... He doesn't play close to the goalkeeper... Bla, bla, bla...!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:12am On Oct 04, 2014
elampiro:
Henry was a striker who loved drifting to the side for the kill. Just like Silva who drifts to the side even when played as a number 10.
Simple question and you dey write me bible chapter...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 8:59am On Oct 04, 2014
elampiro: Danny Welbeck: Arsenal striker hits back at his critics

"Obviously people can say I have not scored enough goals, but you stick the best strikers on the wing in a four-man midfield and see if they score,"
said Welbeck, who hit a Champions League hat-trick against Galatasaray on Wednesday.
"Nobody can really criticise my finishing because they don't really see me playing in a forward position too often.
"But now I am getting into these positions I want to be sticking the ball in the back of the net. I am sure it's the same with every other striker."
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/29473438



lol
We can criticize his finishing, we watch him all the time... He misses at a rate directly proportional to score rate of CR7.
4 goals in 5 games looks very pretty on paper... Maybe they should include how many shots or chances were spurned before the 4 went in!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 8:47am On Oct 04, 2014
elampiro: Welbeck just challenged Costa, Benzenma, Aguero, Balotelli, etc, to play from the wing and see how many goals they can score. May be including Ibrahimovic. grin grin grin Hazard too would soon join Welbeck in this campaign.
Arsenal legend TH14 that Welbeck is being likened to, played and scored most of his goals from where!?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 8:32am On Oct 04, 2014
Dadehmola: But if na moyes, we would have read lengthy epistles on how carrington training complex has been turned into a boot camp cheesy cheesy..
grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 5:43pm On Oct 02, 2014
If Tony Hibbert is on the starting line-up for Everton on Sunday, then we have a big, big chance!

grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 5:07pm On Oct 02, 2014
coogar: ruudie is jealous of welbeck. cheesy
I am way better at my day job than he is at his... so, absolutely no need!

coogar: no one here said welbeck is better than hernandez so i dunno why you brought this comparison. however, hernandez going to madrid is a loan deal. welbeck said he didn't want any loan deal & if he's not going to play at united, then they might as well sell him.

......and he was sold!!!
Elampiro brought this up.
My point is, if he is all that as many want to paint him - perhaps he would be in Madrid now, not in N. London!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 4:27pm On Oct 02, 2014
So Welbeck scores a hattrick finally - which was always gonna happen someday anyway - and some peeps are getting hard and spewing sp3rm all over the thread!!? Even f3cking Nicklas Bendtner scored a UCL hattrick gaddamit!

UTD put Hernandez and Welbeck on the market same time - Real Madrid came for one and Arsenal for the other... that there folks tells you the 'value' of both!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 4:12pm On Oct 02, 2014
coogar: someone should bring ruudie here. all i need right now is ruudie. grin cheesy
Why didn't you call for me when he reset Big Ben in front of a gaping goal at the weekend!?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 10:27am On Sep 29, 2014
Danhumprey: On the other hand,it took Falcao less than a month to understand and gel with RVP and the two players look like they have been playing together for decades. RVP's last two goals this season were Falcao's assists. Falcao still doesn't have a goal to his name since joining Man.United,but he has been selflessly assisting RVP.
You have a point - on one of these recent games, RVP had a chance to shoot at goal but opted to pass to Falcao instead. The two appear comfy together.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 10:16am On Sep 29, 2014
SIRcumalot: I'll still pick Johnny evans and jones if they can just remain fit over Rojo
Only on the basis that they have more UTD and EPL experience. Otherwise, Rojo is 'finer' player with a good dose of grit. I believe with time, Rojo will win over fans who have doubts!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 5:41pm On Sep 28, 2014
coogar: lest i forget.....rojo got pilloried last week at leicester but i must say he was very good last night.
Mark my words, this guy is going to be up there with the very best defenders that have worn the UTD shirt, ever!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 5:39pm On Sep 28, 2014
I just tire when people try to deflect attention away from Rooney's 'failings' by bringing up RVP...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 5:02pm On Sep 27, 2014
Some of these refs surely have something against UTD... why wasn't Sakho sent off for doing twice what Rooney did once.

But Rooney sha... just trip the man; no need for such a 'high' kick. On the positive side, game time for Falcao+Mata!? grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 3:30pm On Sep 26, 2014
ElFenomeno1: Suicide...

ROJO in front of the back 3?! Are you having a monkey sarnie?!

Blind is overrated!
Ok. So what's your point... Would you rather have 'suicide' nearer or farther off from your team's goal?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 12:23pm On Sep 26, 2014
We've just gotta score first and of course, score plenty.

Left to me, I wouldn't risk going for inexperience or 'makeshift', especially if it is going to be a back-3 again. I still advocate a Rojo-Blind swap - Rojo to midfield in front of the back 3 and Blind behind him at CB.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:27am On Sep 25, 2014
Against QPR, we played that same diamond with mata at the top of it. That's why he scored and had 2-3 good chances.

I still believe Rojo will be better of where Blind is... And Blind moves into defense. He can pass better from there than all the other guys.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:22am On Sep 25, 2014
@ capriconian.

God bless you for those very good questions... No need for plenty talk, the 'honest' answers to 'em explains the grievances of many towards Rooney here.

Ask the same questions of CR7, LM10, robben, bale, ribery etc and compare.

But of course, trust certain people to launch into epistles and mindless arithmetic lessons.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by RuuDie(m): 9:41pm On Sep 23, 2014
Skentele Skontolo... by the Masked one - Omo baba mukor mukor himself grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 5:55pm On Sep 23, 2014
elampiro: If it is intelligence, why is Kagawa not the world best player? Or Pirlo? Who was more intelligent than Scholes?

It's a combination of all, but power and pace has to be very much pronounced or dominant. I don't see Ribery and Robben as very intelligent players. They had so much pace, then power and work rate than anything else.
Well... You're entitled to your own tuppence!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 11:10am On Sep 23, 2014
PietroRico: I even thought u were talking of central defence.

I'd rather use jones for that job. Jones does it remarkably.
Compared with Jones, Fellaini, Blind... Rojo is faster - and passes the ball better than all bar Blind; plus he is a touch more aggressive!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 11:07am On Sep 23, 2014
chrisley024: I'd not think of Rojo when we've Fellaini and Jones.

Rojo that was r*ped at the flank(a small area) that you want to put in the middle(a very wide area)
Very easy to be r*ped right now by anyone at the moment. We have wing-backs who are supposed to be more offensive than defensive and are way too far from their own half when the ball is lost on another part of the park... even worse when you have central midfielders who simply refuse to foul the opponents to stop their progress.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 10:52am On Sep 23, 2014
chrisley024: Are u serious with this u wrote?

Then we should better use Jones
PietroRico: I haven't seen enough of rojo to conclude anything about him tbh.
I've seen just 2 games of his as a LB and zero as CB and the only worrying thing about him seems to be his apparent lack of defensive awareness (apparent, because as I said earlier, I haven't seen enough to conclude)
A CB without that is a disaster waiting to happen.
Yes, I am serious... in defensive midfield we need to have players who are not afraid to foul the opponent high up the pitch. Maybe it is still early days, but Blind, Carrick, Herrera these guys are way to 'gentle', focusing more on how to 'intercept' and win the ball cleanly forgetting that a certain degree of dirty is allowed too. UTD need a 'destroyer' and I mean that literally! Someone to just sit there and STOP the invaders getting in legally or otherwise.
Its like we forget that sometimes committing a foul contributes to breaking up whatever momentum that the opposition is building. Earlier folks mentioned Nigel De Jong as a candidate to buy - what exactly would De Jong have brought besides this!?

If Jones can do it, fine... but for me, Rojo is it!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:34am On Sep 23, 2014
@ pietroRico

The short-term answer for me is using Rojo's aggression and ability to commit fouls to full effect in the middle of the park and use Blind more at LB/LWB or CB. He (Rojo) may pick up a few cards along the way, but I think some of the opposing players will also be mindful that they may be one 'Rojo-tackle' away from an injury!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:28am On Sep 23, 2014
SailorXY: grin grin that's not the united way grin grin smh
the attack is doing fine, but maybe we can use it to counter tactics of some agbero teams
Which other UTD way are you talking about? Pass wide to the wingers and deliver crosses into the box - how is that different from hoofing it up-field from the back to a big target man crazy-dons style grin

Anyway, I meant is an alternative in situations that have gotten dire; especially when we eventually get to Europe!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:24am On Sep 23, 2014
ElFenomeno1: As things stand, i think RVP should be made the scape goat.... One game, lets see Falcao and Rooney!
If we are truly honest with ourselves, we will see that there's only one thing about UTD that hasn't changed over the years - from the twilight years of SAF, Moyes and now to LVG. we have 'scape-goated' many but yet still haven't really 'changed'! So if we really want to 'change' and actually do something different, then that 'constant' has to removed!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 8:10am On Sep 23, 2014
chrisley024: LvG should pls add Fellaini to the bench if he's fit for when the ball starts flying in the air.

Our fullbacks also need protection.
Seconded - a plan B is very much needed - and route-1 footie can be very productive atimes if you got someone who can play it well grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m):
elampiro: World greatest footballers ever have played with pace and power.
Pele
Maradona
Ronaldo
Messi
Di Lima
The greatest assets of these guys is INTELLIGENCE not pace and power!

De Lima once said to Carlos Queiroz when he complained that he was eating too much, "Mister, I am a footballer not a sprinter..."

Pace + power without brains is just so ANTHONY VALENCIA-ish... and these guys were / are not that!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 7:18am On Sep 23, 2014
Fussbot: Seriously?nobody is complaining about de gea?

Any ball that goes towards him is a goal!smh
Nah. Sounds more like a certain Courtois grin
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 7:06am On Sep 23, 2014
ElFenomeno1: So what is LVG's job again? What are his remit as the manager of MUFC?
So Rooney tells LVG where he wants to play or LVG plays him in a position deemed suitable to produce the goods for MUFC?
Decline? Why are you laying so much emphasis on Rooney when RVP has done fu..ck all this season?
Which football player is not aware of or immune to the inevitable as they grow older?

I am still yet to see any tangible reason why Rooney should be made the scapegoat in that MUFC forward line....... you need more people Coogs!
I've repeatedly said, Rooney's case might well be as a result of "off-field" influence rather than on-field... come to think of it; Moyes too had the same issue, now it is LVG. So there is something there - perhaps on the commercial/financial side. if UTD get a new "brand face", we may get to see some changes... anybody remember how "#20" was trending 2 seasons back!?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 6:59am On Sep 23, 2014
coogar: a number-10 has to be clever, nimble, agile and must have vision. rooney should be playing like coutinho.....he doesn't even have the common sense to play the required weight of pass.
I'd have said he should try to imitate D. Silva... but clearly that would be like asking Santa to come around with his bag of goodies every day of every year!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 6:57am On Sep 23, 2014
Odunharry: NO BACKBONE , NO LEADERSHIP

I prefer mata in the hole..Gaal knows Falcao is better than Rooney upfront.
Gaal doesnt bench his captain..

I guess Rvp will sit on d bench then or mata
Mata most definitely will bench a lot but he will always be the "first choice" to sub any of the forward men - so I'd imagine he wouldn't be too unhappy with this because he will play but just may not start many games. Another thing is, I think LVG likes and appreciates what he can offer; don't think I've heard any complaint against him thus far!

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