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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:59am On Aug 22, 2014
chrisley024: Players are more likely to fear him than Moyes. They know his pedigree. Just watchout the way he sieves this team.
If the management/board don't give a manager total control, complete command and confidence then the so-called pedigree is just that... another English word! Ask Jose Mourinho!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:56am On Aug 22, 2014
elampiro: Are you for real? Less than 15m?
Most players at that price are still relatively unknown and are likely to be more motivated for success! Where did we unearth Vidic from? Where did Dortmund find Lewandowski? Falcao? Rakitic?

This is mostly why I sided with Moyes; I am sure he can find and bring those sorts to UTD.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:20am On Aug 22, 2014
montelik: I remember when Fellaini was being mooted as a signing, most people were saying we should just sign him anyway, regardless of price or whether he really filled a void. Look how that turned out. Then the same attitude to breaking the club record for Mata, even though we had more pressing needs and were stocked in that position. Now the same attitude again with potentially signing Di Maria.

Di Maria is looking for a pay day. We won't just shell out a big transfer fee, but also a wage that would put somewhere behind RVP and certainly ahead of Mata. Meanwhile we will still have to hand juicy contracts to fill the gaping voids in the squad barring massive improvements from certain players.

So we sign Di Maria and switch to 4-3-3 (despite the fact the LVG has said numerously that our base formation will be 3-5-2). Where will our club record signing fit in this 4-3-3. We didn't break the club record to bench him, or shunt him out to the wing, else we would have left him at Chelsea.

Di Maria as talented as he is, isn't worth the monies and accompanying headaches he will bring. Use that money to bring in a quality, experienced central defender, or a younger, more energetic central midfielder that fills an obvious hole regardless of what formation or tactics we employ.
I agree with you - if we are going to buy anybody at all, it should be relatively cheap, < 15m and defence minded .
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:15am On Aug 22, 2014
chrisley024: They will fear LvG unlike Moyes. He just set an example with Nani
Which example...?
Sporting ASKED for Nani and we needed Rojo. If this is the case; I can as well say the players were going to FEAR Moyes because he made an example with Anderson abi!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 8:12pm On Aug 21, 2014
PietroRico: shocked shocked you must be the ONLY person in the universe with this view.
Well, 'popular' opinion isn't always right!

In sacking Moyes too soon , we set an unsavoury precedence. Just imagine if these players decide to 'usurp' LVG's plans because they do not like his training approach or worse still, demeanour; what do you think will happen!?

In my opinion, these players didn't love SAF , they FEARED... why!? His word was LAW! Why!? The management was behind him 100% from the get go!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 7:21pm On Aug 21, 2014
PietroRico: Interesting quote from LvG meanwhile.

"I have found that I am dealing with players who are not able to perform at the level I expect, who don’t want to perform how I want. Both categories of players will be shown the door.”


He's just realised that some players' shitness are beyond redemption perhaps.

The coloured part suggests that some people are resisting his methods undecided
It'll be Interesting to know who they are, maybe nani was one.


source

That's the link to the full interview.
He said a lot of 'interesting' things there
codedguy1: shocked shocked shocked
The last few days of this transfer season should be really interesting if LvG actually feels this way!

Its be obvious, that we have players who don't feel committed to our cause immediately SAF left. Moyes did not help matters, LvG has to make his changes and then take full responsibility.

Chai, my beloved Man U!
grin grin grin

Very good... when I said free Moyes and direct some ire at this players at least; that they were not being professional and giving their ALL - peeps wouldn't listen.

"These guys just won the ligue 8 months ago", "bla bla bla", "Moyes does dinosaur training" etc. If we are not careful, LVG too will lose his "dressing room"; what happens then!? Chelsea v2.

I know nobody will even try to reason with me - but sacking Moyes was a GRAVE MISTAKE!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Sevilla Fc - Fans Zone by RuuDie(op): 3:45pm On Aug 20, 2014
Sevilla were linked with a move for Croatian central midfielder Milan Badelj earlier this summer, now they’re reportedly a step closer to making his signing a reality.

25-year-old Milan Badelj is a player that Sevilla sporting director Monchi has long admired, with the player amongst the leading candidates in his shopping list, to strengthen their midfield options.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Sevilla Fc - Fans Zone by RuuDie(op): 3:42pm On Aug 20, 2014
Sevilla doubled up with player presentations on Tuesday, as both Gerard Deulofeu and Éver Banega officially unveiled before the media

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 1:14pm On Aug 20, 2014
Nihilist: Rojo fits what profile?

The same Rojo that could not terrify Ahmed Musa in the world cup?

The same Rojo that Emenike ate like chewing gum during the world cup?

This same Rojo?
https://www.footforever.com/CM/Images_CM/Images_Diaporama_CM/CM_01617_2014_1st_turn_Argentina_Nigeria_E_Emenike_and_M_Rojo_1_en.jpg

The way some Manyoo fans rewrite history is frightening sometimes
Off all those present lot in UTD's squad, Rojo fits the profile... hold your horses, he is here now; in a few weeks, after some games, we will revisit this!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 12:18pm On Aug 20, 2014
teeo: Fellani just injured his ankle in training. for how long we dont know yet. Another gbege

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2729694/Marouane-Fellaini-suffers-ankle-ligament-damage-Manchester-United-training.html
Oh my... it must be a long-term side effect of 'rigorous' David Moyes' training regime!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 12:02pm On Aug 20, 2014
SailorXY: oh well
lets come to a meeting point
a Modric type or a Vidal type; assume you are van Gaal, which singular addition gives this team the greater balance?

ball winner or ball player
A fvcking PITBULL thats what... a downright mean, tenacious, blood-curdling mother0fvcker. I don't even care if he can kick the ball or play a simple pass - if he can kick the opponents with clean, deadly accuracy and break some limbs every now and then; that will suit me just fine!
Heck, Vidal don't even cut it for me; Rojo fits the profile small - I will come up with other names!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 11:59am On Aug 20, 2014
As far as I'm concerned, everything is alright now... we've got Rojo. Now the 'new system' has really started!

First choice defence line: x - Rojo - Y
* x, y = I don't bloody care who

First choice CM three should be: ** Fellaini - * Mata (Kagawa) - ** Herrera
* Mata (Kagawa) a bit further ahead of the others
** Given special instructions to hack down opposing players 'recklessly' (and I mean that literally)

First choice wingbacks: Young - Valencia (Welbeck, Januzaj, Lingaard, Rooney, any-bloody-body-else can sub)

First choice strike force: Rooney - RVP (Chicharito sub)

If we keep spending like maga, we will set ourselves back another 2 seasons before we jell. This bunch of players is all we've got at the moment - and we have to make 'em work by hook or crook!
Squad consistency has been a big factor why we've been 'relatively' successful all these past years.

I said it before that under Moyes, the players should take a huge part of the blame, that they needed to man up. But heck, we all had a vendetta against the man and shielded the players while giving him a torrid time... Now he is no more and the stewp!d !d!ots are still threatening to serve us the same ol' BullSh!t!?

Somebody should go get SAF's hair-dryer and put it where these lads can see everyday as a reminder - at this very moment, they owe their lives to the badge on their uniforms; so they better get their head outta their asses, play and win like MANCHESTER UNITED!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 12:16pm On Aug 19, 2014
Sporting Lisbon fans have been dishing the dirt on Rojo for the benefit of a United fans' forum. If what they say is accurate then two things seem clear: he is still not quite the finished article, but Van Gaal is as good a man as any to turn a hugely talented player into one of the world's best defenders. Here's what they had to say:

"Sporting fans have a love/hate relationship with Rojo... He's a very physical player. He's pacy and a very good man marker... He has performed way better as a centre-back rather than as a left-back at Sporting. He can be an absolute beast and dominate games in a flawless way. But then there's the inconsistency. He is very prone to positional errors and concentration lapses.
He is also a complete nutcase. He's been sent off so many times in very stupid fashion... It's always the same thing with Rojo. He gets sent off and costs us a game and he starts getting booed and people in the stands say that we are better off selling him. But then he comes back and plays spectacularly again... The key issue is that he needs a mentally strong and disciplinarian manager."

https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/football-rojo-hints-man-utd-move-081815006--sow.html
Name one defender who isn't prone to positional errors and concentration lapses every now and then...?

A "nutcase" I totally want; we have way too many "soft" players abeg!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 12:07pm On Aug 19, 2014
coogar: our biggest issue is our injury curse. we can sign the whole madrid players & barca players, of what use would they be if they cannot be fit to play. as we speak, we have 8 or 9 first team players injured & that has been the case for more than 7 seasons now.

according to injuryroom, this has been our record since 06/07. the importance of the player injured is put in the bracket

2007/08 - 8th worst (6th worst)
2008/09 - 7th worst (3rd worst)
2009/10 - 3rd worst (2nd worst)
2010/11 - 7th worst (5th worst)
2011/12 - 1st worst (1st worst)
2012/13 - 5th worst (5th worst)
2013/14 - 7th worst (2nd worst)

how can we compete with this kinda horrible luck? the season has barely started and we are 2nd worst already. we need to address this ish. we lost the league in 11/12 cos of injuries.
Hold it there just one minute, young man!

Last season, you 'cussed Moyes to the high heavens, blaming his choice of training methods... now, it is 'horrible' luck!?
*S M H*
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 11:18am On Aug 19, 2014
chrisley024: Rojo has managed to pick up 21 yellow cards and 4 red cards in 49 league games. shocked

The guy's temper is a serious concern.
Nope. Not temper... this is exactly something we need; a 'fighter', 'warrior'... a "I-will-beat-the-living-day-light-out-of-your-b!tch-a$$-if-you-come-forming-papparazi-in-my-hood" type n!gga!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 7:02am On Aug 19, 2014
afrodoc: There is too much pressure on Van Gaal to turn water to wine with this mediocre bunch we have here
Beautiful... You think LVG has pressure!!? Me thinks not. Because the kind of barrage David Moyes was getting at the moment from all corners of the globe compares to nothing this man is facing at the moment.

LVG is lucky... UTD fans are doing for him what they should have done for Moyes despite after SAF's appeals - making the job easier before making it harder !
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 6:55am On Aug 19, 2014
Fussbot: @lekki i meant rojo is not any different from blackett like seriously
I am telling you Rojo will be the next darling of UTD fans - quote me on this any day. He is the sort of player that can raise the temperature of an arena with one crunching tackle . He is not short on confidence and by the time he gets familiar with this new environment, we will see how he will make his 'larger than life' presence felt. I foresee that young man taking over from where Vidic stopped; he will be made captain!

Yeah, I know its only Rojo (a largely unknown quantity) but I think we've found our man!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 6:58pm On Aug 18, 2014
Its also good that the Nani swap is a loan deal... he seriously needs that breathe of fresh and I believe he will return better. Nani is a fantastic footballer; he will bounce back!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 6:56pm On Aug 18, 2014
I like Rojo... there's nothing overly exceptional about him truly; but he is one helluva 'feisty' character. Something Jones, Smalling, Evans and Blackett, for all their ability, aren't. The sort of individual that can make a striker a tad too tread carefully when he is close. Just look at how dull Smalling, Jones, Blackett and Evans look - I don't even think anybody is scared of them sef!

I mean, I want a defender who is not scared of tackling - our guys now just ball watch and keep backing up towards our goal, afraid to concede a free-kick.

If Rojo brings all that 'fearless' energy to the fore... folks, he may just be looking at our next UTD legend!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:58am On Aug 17, 2014
coogar: that is because some pundits will never agree the fat scouser is an overrated featherweight! 11 seasons at united and yet he's never made the top 5 in ballon d'or or FIFA player award.

rubbish!
That's how highly he is regarded nowadays... well, our elder talk am - in the country of the blind... ... ...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 9:37am On Aug 17, 2014
"Our wins in the United States and our win against Valencia... The expectations are so high -- and I felt that in the first half because I saw a lot of players very nervous, making the wrong choices. That's a pity," Van Gaal told a news conference.

"These players have to get used to those expectations, because it's Manchester United... You have to cope with that pressure, but that is also a process."

Van Gaal said the defeat could have a crushing effect on his team's confidence.

"When you have (pre-season) preparation time and you win everything and then in your first match you lose - it cannot be worse I believe," said the Dutchman. We built up a lot of confidence and it will be smashed down because of this result."

Van Gaal has made no secret of his hope to add some more new faces to his team and he confirmed that desire, but stressed it had little do with the loss to the Welsh side.

"I thought that before this match also. When we were playing in the USA, I thought the same. "I know in what positions we need better players, but you have to buy only when the player can fulfil the way of playing that I ask," he added.
I can safely interpret the bolded to mean he hasn't given Woodward any comprehensive "wish-list" as yet!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 8:52pm On Aug 16, 2014
TheBigUrban2: True talk

Mata used to be great.....the guy seems to be suffering from Torres syndrome
huh
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 7:43pm On Aug 16, 2014
elampiro: * I always think when Rooney is played as a top 9, he's being under utilized. To play him in top two with Chicha is a shortage to the team. Under SAF or Moyes, Rooney would have dropped deep today.

* RVP is almost like Chicha. RVP could have less than 20 touches in a match. I think the formation might not suit us iunless Welbeck is one of the top two men or Rooney and RVP strike a good partnership. Otherwise, if it was what I saw in USA, then only one of Rooney/RVP/Chicha should play in the front two.

* May be Gaal has to change the formation so that we play either RVP or Rooney upfront. Chicha is always better as a super sub.
Na wah oh. When dem play Rooney anywhere else apart from striking position, e go vex!

Dadehmola: From the look of things, the defence might not be our only concern if our no10 isn't ontop of his game - We may actually find ourselves struggling to create chances. I can't remember Swansea'a keeper having any save to make that's worthy of mention. That we played at home even makes it worse.
I just hope LVG knows what he's doing..
After just one game; bros calm down na...
Anyway na LVG get fvck up. If Mata wasn't performing, he had the option to replace him with Kagawa or Januzaj; or replace him with Welbeck so that Rooney drops back into the hole and Welbeck and Chicha can pair upfront.

Like I said before, if to sey na Moyes - thread for don enter 1000 again!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 7:34pm On Aug 16, 2014
Dadehmola: How exactly should he justify his salary in a match like this? By scoring(like he did), and then racing 100yards to take the place of young- the-m0r0n in the buildup to the 2nd goal we conceded?
No. He should watch and emulate what the likes of Ronaldo and Messi do almost week in week out every season; then and only then, will he have justified the massive investment and trust UTD have put on him!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 6:09pm On Aug 16, 2014
But folks really dig this LVG fella oh.
I remember the reaction when Moyes 'accidentally' shifted Valencia to RB in one of our games and we lost with the decisive action and goal coming from that part of the field...
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 4:03pm On Aug 16, 2014
montelik: I am not calling for him to loaned out or criticizing him, he was one of the main reasons we equalized. Just noting that as of now he has more of the style of a winger. No doubt with time he will mature and maybe become a true no 10. But I see his development going more like a Giggs or CR7 rather than a Nedved or Mata as of now.

Mata was worse than terrible. Honestly I never was big on us signing him (cost way too much and money better spent on a true area of need). Not because he isn't a cracking player, but because we have a cheaper slightly different replica already (Kagawa). Mata's display today was worse than any off the notable poor displays Kagawa has given out of position, that had the media and his critics baying for his blood. So why again did we pay almost £40m, when we could have gotten Eriksen on the cheap and used the rest to bring in some true central midfielders, wingers or fullbacks.
With big money, valuation or rating comes big responsibility. This is why I will continue to berate our 'big names' - Rooney, Mata, RVP etc they are the ones. Even CR7 and Messi (with their near-perfect consistency) get 'verbally assaulted' sometimes on the rare occasions when their teams lose.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 3:53pm On Aug 16, 2014
Dadehmola: Rooney should leave the hole for the specialists. Rooney isn't good enough for the hole. I agree.

Based on our lethargic performance in the final third, I need your analysis on the performance of the supposed "specialist in hole matters( our record signing)"
Mata was poor simple, no excuses. But if you want me to get excited because Rooney scored one goal, I am sorry I cannot! I simply would be glorifying mediocrity!!!

This is my reason - Rooney is close to or probably on the same plane as certain 'top performers' clearly viewed as the standard in these times. In this light, when hope is lost all but lost, I look to my 'talisman' to conjure up something individually - sadly, he never does!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 3:00pm On Aug 16, 2014
coogar: at least, buying vidal now is a must! no more patching up & structuring up. all that possession in the first half but nothing to show for it.

this isn't LVG's fault.
the formation gave us plenty of the ball but we failed to sting swansea with all the possession we had.
Scratch Vidal jare... he'd better buy some defenders - Smalling, Jones - smh; Blackett, I can forgive!

And BTW, it is LVG's fault - no double standard's here please - even the 'clueless one' got 3pts with a defence the combined age of methusellah, slow-mo Carrick in m/f and DW19 in attack.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 2:48pm On Aug 16, 2014
About Rooney... I will say again and again and again! To whom much is given, much is expected!!!

If we have to place him on a pedestal with the very best, he has to play and earn it now . It is not by what you've done in the past (I get am before). Otherwise, he is no different from Valencia Young we berate every day!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 2:41pm On Aug 16, 2014
LVG... Welcome to the EPL!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 12:58pm On Aug 16, 2014
Just fvcking win Van Gaal... the "do as I say" can come in later!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by RuuDie(m): 12:56pm On Aug 16, 2014
They are so far from each other when they make this passes... players need to 'show' for each other so the passes will be shorter and crisper.

Meen... dis guys still get plenty to learn!

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