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No tourist for two years - Kenya domestic tourist fill the void - most hotels full booked

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFbX8fUNDoc

Obaboon, I was kinda hoping you'll defy our prediction and upgrade your bonobo alpha software to at least beta, so you can realize Kenya is going places .

We just pulled another 9.9 after 10 percent 2nd quarter. See when you thought Kenya was tourism - we are pulling double digit growth amid COVID-19. Our strength I keep repeating is Africa most resilient economy built on top of economic diversity of Africa best human capital. You cannot beat that...it is the sustainable economic growth magic that will see Kenya move to be Africa Lion in 10-15yrs...our people..not minerals..not natural resources.

Kenya's economy grew by 9.9 percent in the three months to September 30, compared to 10.1 percent in the second quarter of 2021, the government statistics agency said on Friday.

NAIROBI, December 14, 2021 — Kenya’s economy has demonstrated resilience to the COVID-19 shock, with output in the first half of the year rising above pre-pandemic levels. In 2021 as a whole, gross domestic product (GDP) is expected to grow by 5%, one of the faster recoveries among Sub-Saharan African countries.

obaaderemi:
They are doomed to remain small and on the periphery whether they like it or not.

This year Mombasa has few tourist - North coast - Nyali - and South Coast - Diani

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA9SvQRj3EU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNGjU8-_voI

Remove your blinkers and you'll see the beautiful kenyan flag - representing the only large non mineral economy of sub saharan africa - showing what is possible in Africa - if Africans engage their brains and their muscles.

samorobo:
Lol Kenyans wouldn’t like that

UAP Towers Nairobi - 2022 fireworks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtsvwtpKhNI

As always I am jumping the year in Mombasa. This year at English Point Marina in Nyali Mombasa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf61squwfr0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1gCawGYeeg

Kenya about 2hours to join 2022...reminder of last year of fireworks. Epic firework displays expected at Britam, KICC and GTO towers and all over the city.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eBaqcIBIU8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PeyXjRf_cVc

It's been running non stop from 2017 - that is 5yrs: We constructed it in 2-3yrs; You quickly tried to copy us - and now 6yrs year later - you're still constructing your railway - stuck in 1st phase of 300kms -

Meanwhile Kenya SGR has probably carried 10 million passengers

Kazikazi:
second hand

I get you. I am for balanced news. Slums and Posh areas of Africa should all be shown. I am not for hidding our ghettos. And I am not for making Africa look like one big ghetto. But is within out control how people want to potray us?

GeneralDae:
Sure, the point is should we Africans also travel to ghettos in America to do poverty porn? since ghettos exist there too, because as you see in the Kenyan video, he left all of the adventure in Kenya including the culture of the massais ( can't remember the spelling) to present poverty in a part of Mombasa as his culture shock.

As for poverty porn - some Youtubers like these two have done great job promoting Kenya and Africa

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKlq_u3yY3A&t=214s

TZ SGR is going to take another 10yrs to be completed..

gallivant:
The Kenyan SGR operates 4 passenger trains and 14 freight trains daily. Only one train had mechanical issues. How many train trips does your electric SGR operate?

I don't think we should hide our poverty but of course it's not all poverty porn - there is good part of africa.
Africa is poor. The west is rich. Those are not stereotypes - but yes we need more balanced reporting.
I dont think there is some conspiracy - some come for fun side of Africa - some come for poverty porn.

Bottomline: Once you fix your city like Kagame has done in Kigali - it's gonna be hard to do the poverty porn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9L2ig1PXrg

GeneralDae:
For those Kenyans who come here supporting those white Youtubers showing the slums and poverty in Nigeria, watch this video from a Nigerian Youtuber to see how this American guy went to portray Kenya to the world.
You'll see some of these guys are just in for the poverty porn and it's not just about Nigeria but a quest to reinforce stereotypes so the western world would continue to feel superior as a superb race in the world.
cc Mkenya, Shma, mtis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Px_tYujxOQ

Bitter truth served cold.

AfriqueDuZuid:
I'm not interested in engaging on pointless arguments.

Simply don't have the time! Enjoy your day

Yeah make sense for Zim and Kenya to be amongst the top in sub sahara

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
You and your fake statistics nigeria is not a pulled a to do list of 115countries in iq level
. Are you trying to fool. Nigeria's IQ level in other websites puts it below Cameroon

https://www.worlddata.info/iq-by-country.php

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country

Of course, there is no single factor, but they are key factors, demographic being one of them, now South Africa has a problem of lower HCI (poor educational outcomes plus healthcare ravaged by HIV-AIDS), so you great demographics but your people are ill-educated and sick. You need to fix that to move from middle class to upper middle class like Mauritius has managed.

HIV-AIds and related health care challenges are on the mend - but your education continues to be radarless (dont talk about a few universities). It appears immigrants are filling the void - in the job market - but it's not sustainable.

If I was South African president - I would reform the education sector totally - adopt strategies by countries like Veitnam that has risen them rise in PISA exams.

South Africa need to banish completely the Bantu Education apertheid - by ensuring black majority - are going to school to study - with best teachers - even if it mean hiring zimbwabweans - and focus on STEM.

Bantu Education Act -It also prohibited mathematics and science from being included in the curriculum of the Black education system. The act was created in the belief that maths and sciences were not necessary in the preparation of the young Black South Africans for the low-wage labourthey were being groomed to perform

AfriqueDuZuid:
when it comes to development there's no one size fits all.

For instance Mauritius attracts more of rich immigrants, as it's a tax haven for most super rich individuals.

China is a result of one child policy, of which they have reversed due to aging population. It will need labour force, it will have to import labour.

SA for instance is due to birth control

Japan has an old population which is unsustainable, so 30 years is still a sustainable mean age

It rarely linear. Kenya median age was 18-19 in 1950-1970s - then we had a baby boom - and it dropped to 15yrs - for a long time - and it has been rising slowly. It takes lot of time to alter demographics. The major inflection point demographically - happened in 2016 - when we for first time had 5-10 cohort being larger than 0-5. Now that age group is 10-15 - and largest - meanwhile 5-10, 0-5 are less and less.In next 5yrs - the current under 10-15 will be 15-20 - that start of getting out dependancy - and in a decade they will be 20-25 - and Kenya median age will probably be about 25 if not more.

AfriqueDuZuid:
By 2030 it should be around those ages, because the mean age is growing annually

From 2010-2020 Kenya increased by 2 years

While SA grew by close to 3 years and it's accelerating

I am not sure what is latest for Kenya but I suspect we should be above that.
Country start to become developed when median age is about 35 yrs - middle class about 25yrs.
China is 38
Mauritius is also 38.
You can only develop when you demographically transition from youthful population that is dependent to working age population - lots of people working - supporting very few - that means more savings/investment/productivity.
Kenya has to aim to improve it's mean age to 28 to get to South Africa level.
South Africa has to move to 35yrs to get to Mauritus or China level

AfriqueDuZuid:
mean ages

Kenya- 20 years
Tanzania - 18 years
Nigeria - 18
South Africa - 28

Good start. Something Nairobi miss is one big train/bus station - central bus/train station. Something like this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=935Y-PMNlQ8

68816419:
The new Yaba BRT Smart Station |
A tour of the smart world class Smart Bus station been integrated with Lagos light rail system in Lagos

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdxxMy9Uv6A&t=91s

There are many IQ ranking all over the internet. Not sure which one is credible

samorobo:
Open this link.
https://new-iq-test.com/iq-by-country/
We are ranked 23 globally with an average IQ of 84 while Kenya’s is 27 with an IQ of 80.

I am gonna say sports is not a good measure of a country intelligence - chess is a measure of individual intelligence no doubt - but they are mass exams - like IQ tests - or education assessment tests like PISA - that tells us how a country is doing.

Someone has to go to Nigeria - and conduct a scientific study on Intelligence of Nigerians - and do the same in Kenya.

samorobo:
But you were told in the game of chess that we still rank higher than your zoo. What you gon’ say bout’ that?

Yes British is very segmented society - with an almost Indian like caste system - that is almost hard to beat - unlike the American where all dreams are valid - and football as popular as it is - remain a poor man game - the upper class are into rugby, cricket, tennis, golf and motor sports. The same is also true in Kenya - people living west of Nairobi cbd dont give a flying rat about football - but cares about rugby and motor sports - the lower middle class will discuss arsenal/chelsea till morning - while people in the slums actually love football enough to attend local league. The rich of course play their golfs and polos.

kikuyu1:
Fyi,Englishmen of a certain class are clueless about the EPL! All the noise about Arsenal,Man C etc,etc is but guitar music for goats-they can't find an eff to give about all that drama,even shocking as it may seem the WC itself,unless they beat Germany! But hear them go on about county cricket championship ishyt like who will Middlesex chose for a left handed bowler or Lancanshire chances for 2022 and you realise these guys inhabit their own social ecosystem. An entire parallel world that begins with the right hospitals,kindergardens,churches and the all important country clubs to relax with the right people.

Why is Africa poor: Gold smuggling continues unabated. Uganda stealing 2.5B dollars worth of DRC gold and Rwanda is inching to 1Billion dollars - all from DRC Congo - annually. Meanwhile Chinese and Indians are taking Ghana golds unnoticed. Nigeria is even worse...100,000 informal miners with zero official gold production.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-12-28/where-does-gold-come-from-in-africa-suspected-smuggling-to-dubai-rings-alarms?utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=twitter&utm_content=africa&cmpid%3D=socialflow-twitter-africa&utm_medium=social

When do you think that will happen Obaboon. They are going to junior secondary school next year. So far the biggest complains is coming from parents due to assignments and cost....but unlike South Africa..kenya teachers are not complaining. Parents will get used to practical lessons - and learner led education.

Meanwhile you cannot even dream of changing a comma in the inherited education systems that was designed for a different era and economy

obaaderemi:
Your CBC system is dead on arrival. You will soon throw it on the rubbish dump like your brother, mtis implied, Rip2008.

How does population factor in? What matters is the structure of the population . I keep repeating this so many times. China has 1.5B people - but unlike Nigeria - they are not babies - they are mostly working adults.

Tanzania and South Africa have nearly 60M people each - but the population structure is completely different.

Kenya population wise is starting to transition into that - it's called demographic dividend.

Nigeria is hopeless - as the North continues to breed like rats.

obaaderemi:
With just 50m people you have no excuse to be worse than Nigeria. And if at this stage you still need someone to tell you that human resources is a kind of 'natural resources', then you are beyond help. Stop making dumb excuses.

You cannot teach me any thing tech in Kenya please. The Nigerian was pit player - who provided seed funding for the music business - before cellulant went fintech. The engine has always been Ken Njoroge.

obaaderemi:
Spare us your bullshyte history. How come you don't know he started Cellulant with a Nigerian until I told you?

In kenya it the same - football is the game for lower and lower middle class - and the middle-upper class play rugby. In the US the same - lower class and soccer mums plays football - but as people rise the economic ladder - the find football to a little booring - just kicking the ball around the field.

You want me to sugar coat it?

Let start from Britain - the inventors of football.

https://www.grin.com/document/304713

Today's football is said to be invented by villagers trying to shoot some kind of ball, made of a pig’s bladder, to particular points in the opponents village.[6] Since it have been people of rural background, all belonging to the working class, who played this game it is not surprising that football remained a working class sport

Rugby
Since an actual middle class stratum arose rather late out of the working class it is no wonder that the favourite middle-class sport rugby emerged, compared to the other sports, relatively recently. In the beginning it was accredited to have a highly educational factor. The public schools saw rugby as very important in training discipline, fairness and community cohesion.[9] Overall it was supposed to create gentlemen and promoted strong lifelong solidarity between school members. But from these bonds created in school,

obaaderemi:
Stop embarrassing yourself, Odhiambo.

Your anger betrays your frustration.
You'll gladly swap your silly boring rib showing races for football, even if it's just for regional glory.

Most Somalis have their issues but character wise they are not thugs or lowlife like most Nigerians. Most Ethiopeans have their issues but character wise they are not stealing or selling drugs like NIgerians. Most kenyans have their own issues but they are not liars, thugs, criminals and petty thieves.

As a country you need to work on your character - you need to severely punish the fraudsters, the drug dealers (some countries do death sentence), thugs (in kenya robbery with any violence is death sentences) - etc.

Being poor is not excuse to be a fraudster or a thug or a drug dealer. Try being a thief in kenya - Kenyans will either lynch you or the police will just shoot you dead. If you're lucky to go to court - you are looking at death sentences (now commuted to life imprisonment).

Kids knows crimes doesnt pay.

When in 1970s - kenya started descending into South Africa like crime - we swiftly enacted death sentence for any robbery - crimes like drug dealing also attract life imprisoment - trafficking maybe 30yrs.

Kenya penal code of robbery with ANY (even a kitchen knife) violence.

‘(1) Any person who commits the felony of robbery is liable to imprisonment for fourteen years.

(2) If the offender is armed with any dangerous or offensive weapon or instrument, or is in company with one or more other person or persons, or if, at or immediately before or immediately after the time of the robbery, he wounds, beats, strikes or uses any other personal violence to any person, he shall be sentenced to death.’

mhkent:
When did civilization become all about riches?
What I meant was that are you Kenyans trying to claim that because you come from a region mapped out by colonial British there are no citizens of yours at all sitting in your prisions.
Secondly, I find this funny because basically going through this thread on can see that we both are basically suffering a lot of similar shits. We both have very corrupt governments, we both have wild northern regions with guns flying around, we both have high poverty rates, we both suffer from terrorism issues within and without our borders, we both have slums with terrible conditions, we both have similar gdp per capita, we both are the economic ict banking and industrial hubs in our regions.
So please tell me my honourable Kenyans, what have your honours and codes gotten you, because we both are basically in the same shit.
I mean why have you guys not enjoying wakanda made country.
That was why I said we basically have better examples in the world to preach honour and codes to us, people like the Germans and Japanese are people I respect and wish we learn from.
Sincerely speaking I see nothing that you Kenyans can preach to us about honour and codes, as your country conditions betray such righteous souls you claim to have.
Wake me when a s.african or n.african whtas to teach us stuff, why because it shows, we can see and not something we can argue even as aggressive as Nigerians can be.

I actually knew Ken Njoroge like 20yrs ago - I once interned at 3Mice - that is web development company that he co-founded - before Cellulant - during my time at university.

obaaderemi:
You obviously don't know jackshit about cellulant and how it started.

You carry no burden but what you created, you idiot.
West African have actually brought more accolades and honour to Africa than you backward East Africans. We have more professionals out there than you lot.

Kenya has issues of course - corruption, name it - but Kenya doesn't have oil and minerals - neither does it have arable land. That is big difference. You have no excuse to be worse than Kenya.

obaaderemi:
To the little Indians, their shythole country is Eldorado. They're content with their abysmal situations.

Many times you have seen Nigerians, even on this very thread, admit to Nigeria's problems and many failings but have you ever seen a Kenyan do the same? And then one of them comes along and starts talking about an imaginary code he knows nothing about.

There's nothing to learn from Kenyans but they can at least learn from West Africans how to own their own economies instead of being enslaved by Indians and white settlers.

Football is popular sport - because it's an easy sport - it's not cerebral at all. It's one of the most stupid game out there - played by stupid people with stupid coaches. In Europe it's a sports for lower class white and blacks. The middle class play rugby and stuff like formulae 1.

obaaderemi:
I don't blame you. Football and Kenya are like oil and water.

Obabon, you want me dead already. I believe CBC is experiencing teething problems - and is a BIG step in right education. Kenya has the ingredients to succeed because we already took education seriously.

obaaderemi:
The only Kenyan gung ho about your CBC system is your brother, RIP2008. The system is failing already because your country is not prepared for it. You give kids homework they can't do on their own and expect them to thrive. Who does that?