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Buru Nairobi - I started my Nairobi life here - with 3 friends we took a four bedroom house - and my girlfriend (now wife) lived in Buruburu.

Buru is part of Nairobi Eastland...it old estate...but has tried to sane as eastland transformed into apartments - if not concrete jungle of slumscrappers

Outering road look great - and nairobi commuter rail too


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwgVhL7kAVg

The future of Kenya is Lamu industrial port city and Mombasa free port. Gov need to take care of AGOA - and establish industries around LAMU deep sea port. Once Japanase also build the free dongo kundu port - all the likoni-kwale areas can become a new industrial complex.

LAMU SEZ - 700Km SQm - will create 1 million jobs - I would invest in Lamu in the medium term. The deep sea port is ready.

Mombasa and Kisumu will take some time to fly

The Kenya vision 2030, envisions 3 world-class Special Economic Zones
for Kenya
•1) Greater Mombasa SEZ : 3,000 sq km – (to create 2 million new jobs).
•2) Lamu SEZ: 700 sq km – (to create 1 million new jobs).
•3) Kisumu SEZ: 700 sq km- (to create 1 million new jobs).

Special Economic Zones may include, but not limited to:
(a) free trade zones;
(b) industrial parks;
(c) free ports;
(d) information communication technology parks;
(e) science and technology parks;
(f) agricultural zones;
(g) tourist and recreational zones;
(h) business service parks;
(i) livestock zones.

Shma:
Coastal Kenya is doing impressive stuff.

Very nice map. Look like Tanzania - Zambia is long one.

Shma:
In Africa, We don't produce oil but we're one of the most developed countries in pipeline infrastructure.

Nigeria, one of the biggest oil producers in the world is not doing well - neither are they bad.

Suffering and Smilling, you were right, this Nigeria is crazy, now cash shortages in bank - the ultimate zoo. HOW THE HELL DOES THAT EVEN HAPPEN. How is that even possible...


Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official who heads one of the branches of a Tier-1 bank in Lagos, said: “Yes, it is in all the banks. I don’t really know what is going on. I will just be in my office and hear customers calling me that they want to withdraw cash and the staff were saying there is no money, and I will call somebody downstairs to help me look for cash or call another branch that we need cash, ‘can I send someone to you to collect some cash?’

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2022/01/widespread-cash-supply-shortage-persists-in-banks/

Once again misplaced anger. This is Nigeria on a typical day. Fuel shortage crisis. How can you boast of a functional product pipeline and have this?

theenchanter:
he's just useless. What the idiot is jubilating over has been in Nigeria for over 50years.

I am pleasantly surprised. I wont be surprised though if it's been completed vandalized. How do you explain the incessant fuel shortages in Nigeria. How do you explain crazy fuel tankers in Lagos bursting into flames.

I remember reading Dangote refinery thing - and biggest problem was lack of product pipeline - the refined fuel would be fed into fuel tankers.

theenchanter:
yes, only kenya and SA have product pipeline.

P.S...... I won't bother to reply ur mention to this post because I know it would be useless as ur brain.

Great. That explain it. Now is the Nigeria 5K plus pipeline fuctional? And why do you have fuel shortages, and such fuel adulteration it shocking.

GeneralDae:
From your link, this is what I found:

The study focuses on Burkina Faso, Côte d’Ivoire, Mali, Niger, and
Senegal in West Africa and Botswana, Kenya, Madagascar, Malawi, South
Africa, Tanzania, and Uganda in East and Southern Africa, covering a
wide range of conditions that affect price levels, such as the market size,
geography (whether landlocked or coastal), existence of domestic refin-
eries, degree of sector liberalization including pricing, and level of eco-
nomic development.

Yes WB is my ass,

Pipelines
State-owned product pipelines exist in Kenya and South Africa. The
30-year-old Mombasa–Nairobi section of the oil pipeline in Kenya has
at times operated at only 50 percent of capacity, partly because of erratic
power supply (East African 2007)

South Africa has both crude oil and petroleum product pipelines.
Petronet, a subsidiary of Transnet, which is majority owned by the government, is responsible for their operation. An impediment to price efficiency
is a temporary capacity constraint on the Transnet pipeline from Durban to
South Africa’s industrial heartland, Gauteng. This affects the cost of product supply not only to South African markets, but also to Botswana. In
response, Transnet has a plan to build a new multiproduct pipelin

GeneralDae:
That one just speaks from his ass. He sees a new thing in Kenya and assumes they are the first in Africa or the only ones besides maybe South Africa

I got that information from World Bank a few years ago. This is 2010 - Petroleum Markets in Sub Sahara Africa report
https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/907171467990361424/pdf/549270NWP0eifd10box349431B01PUBLIC1.pdf

Only Kenya and South Africa have product pipelines. The pipeline
operation in Kenya has been frequently disrupted by power shortages.
A project for extending the pipeline to Uganda has suffered from years of
delay. The pipeline capacity in South Africa is currently constrained, but
another multi-product pipeline is planned. These limitations in the availability of operating pipeline capacity have increased costs of fuel supply.
There are long-term prospect

GeneralDae:
Just admit you fvcked up with your initial assertion and let's move on.

The usual madness. Put a link and we can take you seriously.

Just30:
you really like to compete with Ghana .

For your information.... Ghana has almost 6,000 kilometers of product pipeline and over 230,000 metric tonnes of product tank farm storage capacity on the Volta Lake for product transfer to northern Ghana..

BOST and VRA has been laying pipelines even before Kenya got it independence....

I see - 5,120km of refined product pipeline is impressive - but probably completely vandalized by now - and fuel tankers are the main transport - and there is incessant fuel shortage

GeneralDae:
The maintenance and integrity of the petroleum pipelines in Nigeria is the sole responsibility of NPSC. The pipelines are strategically located across the country and have about 5,120 kilometers length. Products are moved through these pipelines by pump, using mainline and boaster pimps, while some pump stations complement the work of the pipelines. The operation started in 1979 by the defunct Pipelines and Products Marketing Sector (PPMS), which was renamed Pipelines and Products Marketing Company (PPMC).

https://nnpcgroup.com/Downstream/pages/npsc.aspx

Nigerian problem with the pipelines in the past have been primarily due to vandalism and non functioning of the four refineries in the country built in the 1970's.

Kenya has almost 1,800 kilometres of refined products oil pipeline. Nigeria, Ghana and TZ (?) zero. Although we still have a long way to get to South Africa level - I think by 2015 we had about 1,600 petrol stations - about size of Gauteng - but we definitely the regional kings - supplying fuel as far south as Zambia - and far north as South Sudan.

From Kipevu oil terminal, risers each dedicated to a separate oil product and six onshore pipelines each dedicated to a separate oil product connecting the terminal to the Kenya Petroleum Refineries Limited (KPRL) and Kenya Pipeline Company (KPC) storage tanks.

President Uhuru is expected to commission the new Kipevu Oil Terminal in Mombasa.He will be accompanied by China's Minister for Foreign affairs and govt officials

From the Kipevu oil terminal - the six product pipeline - is fed into Kenya Pipeline - and is pumped to all kenya major cities- Nairobi, Nakuru, Eldoret and Kisumu. From Kisumu it's then pumped again to ships in Lake victoria - all the way to Kampala Uganda. Fuel stations collect them few kilometers from their nearest depot.

Fuel shortages in kenya are almost non existent

With the 400M dollars Kipevu oil terminal in Mombasa now completed, Kenya wants to double its petroleum products handling capacity from the current 35,000 tonnes.

Remember Kenya is amongst few countries in Africa (South Africa is probably only other one in Sub Sahara) in Kenya with refined petroleum product pipeline...kenya re-export lots of - region.

Fuel shortage are unheard of in kenya.

Precisely. The production figures are wild guestimate because the entire sector is informal. You farm, you eat, take the surplus to local market and that is it. Nothing formally marketted. Nothing exported.

So the figures are just crazy guesswork and do not make sense at all.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Listen to me in Nigeria there is no organise farming it is not organised you just take your things to the market and sell the government does not know what people produce there is nobody which checks the quantity of production in the market or from the farms even not the government so all of those figures are bogus. I just go to the market and sell my product that is the Nigeria where there is no grain marketing board there is no rice with marketing board where you have to sell to you sell your food in the market so there is no calculation at all

If Nigeria invested seriously in palm oil industry - it would be the next Malaysia. In kenya we are spending a billon dollars to import palm oil annually. This money that should be going to Nigeria. Palm oil is key igredient for manufacturer of a thousands things.

popizaino:
Nigeria also has her fair share of mechanized agricultural farms. This is Ada palm oil in limo state, Edo state also NAIFOR and there is another one in cross rivers state.

https://www.farmlandgrab.org/post/view/29793-edo-earmarks-100-000ha-of-land-for-oil-palm-cultivation




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsOcRBBdNBQ

Precisely. When I looked at Nigeria data - I knew there was some cooking - but a quick comparison of their production data - and big boys like Brazil and US - demonstrated the cooking was horrendous.

Yemi Kale simply manufactured crazy guesswork in his office in Abuja but on the ground Nigeria agricluture long collapsed - and Nigeria uses oil proceeds to import food and refined fuel.

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
I have been also to Rwanda and before the war, Namibia Botswana Mozambique Malawi Seychelles Lesotho Swaziland, Liberia Benin Republic Togo all of these countries I have attended projects in agriculture. How can you say you produce a lot of food when people are dying of Hunger and poverty in Nigeria people do tomatoes which Nigeria produces 40% of it is thrown away

Tractors is not what I am talking about. I am talking quality seeds and semens - that Brazil R& has produced - I am talking going there and bringing their sugarcane, rice, soya, name it seed varities- and planting it in Africa.

Tractor - is equipment like any other - and climate of the manufacturing country is not important.

But how can you copy Brazil when officially you claim to be more productive than Brazil

samorobo:
And we are. The sooner you accept that our agro sector is no joke the better for your mental health.

https://www.blueprint.ng/nigeria-to-receive-first-batch-of-tractors-from-brazil-in-q1-2022/

Confirm if it's alive - it can be profitable if it gone for winter hibernation - only to emerge post covid. I hope they have enough cash reserves to survive this long winter.

jl115:
SAA has been profitable since April my bru

Because operational cost > revenue - meaning we are digging a big hole every year. Until we operational profitable - we will continue digging. As for - now in COVID - you're still paying staff, pilots and offices - and getting zero revenues - so you're digging - and in 3yrs - the hole will be big - and this time round - nobody will want to cover it except for public money

jl115:
so If that's the case why is KQ asking for bailouts as we speak!

They are small country of 2 million people - without crime, immigrations and name your problems - they can be next Mauritus - if only they decouple from South Africa - for now - they catch cold every time south africa sneezes.

jl115:
its very close but it has not overtaken SA.

You're in 2017 - we did that debt swap - that is just sealing the anus and hoping to stop the Ghana like choleric diarhoea. Give it one more year - the shit will hit the fan again. Operational cost will exceed revenues - and new debt will rise.

jl115:
nope KQ is a dead horse...hence why SAA rejected it.

Again SAA is solvent since April of 2021.... No more bailouts neaded like KQ

Codein here we go. I hazard Namibia is even more developed than South Africa. Nigeria is competing with Somalia and Burundi in every index including development.

forgiveness:
Then Nigeria is more developed than Namibia and all other countries in Sub Sahara Africa save South Africa (for now).

Strategic partners like KQ is going to help you - not Gidon Novick - even if he is best aviator - airline you need more than that. If you had sold shares to Qatar - you would be okay - but obviously they cannot risk getting into SAA now.

Now COVID will affect airline industry for two more years - do you think GIdon whatever farmers will have money to keep injecting money?

jl115:
yeah I'm pretty sure Gidon Novick knows more about running an airline than you.....so yeah I'm pretty sure he would know who to partner with and who not to partner with...

The similarities between KQ and old SAA is uncanny

Splitting hairs. The only action it saw in 18 months were irregular gov gigs to pick vaccines and pep - it wasnt flying daily like KQ

jl115:
that is not what you said.... You said it was grounded.... Not it was grounded only for commercial flights

KQ for long time was Africa most successfully airline - when Ethiopia airline was almost bankrupt. The trick - we had brilliant privitisation in 1995 - that had KLM holding 40 percent, Kenya gov 25 percent and public IPO the results.

You need a strategic partners like we had in KLM - because airline business is not a JOKE>

We were world most profitable airline until we just made strategic blunders especially in fuel futures - we never knew OIL prices would come crashing.

Our airline crashed because had bought fuel at 150 dollars a barrel - not knowing it was about to go down. Nigeria economy crashed - for the same 10yrs.

jl115:
as I said KQ is economically unfeasible.... Hence why its asking bail out after bail out.

SAA is only going to get better with the experienced Takatso Consortium at the helm.....

Those are just chartered flights. Not commercial flights. That just waking up a drunk pilot in the middle of his depression and telling him to go pick some drugs - and they go back to drinking their sorrows.

Kenya airways even in deep of covid still flies - because again - we have huge cargo to fly to Europe daily - flowers and vegetables.

While you were grounded - KQ was stepping up supply of fresh vegies and flower to Europe - JKIA lead in cargo in Africa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x69v-raL7xg

jl115:
wierd because dead SAA flew 56 repatriation during covid in 2020 as well as several flights last year to fetch vaccines and freight?

We cannot let Africa Pride down Yes we did restructuring Kenya gov shareholding moved to 49 percent; local banks took 28 percent; KLM refused to inject capital and are now almost zero shareholding from 51 percent.

As for RSA - you are going nowhere - unless you align with big boys like KLM, Airfrance, Qatar, Emirates, Turkish - etc etc - those are strategic partners you should be looking - not south african farmers who fly small planes for hobby.

jl115:
yes and would continue to do so because just like old SAA KQ isn't economically feasible in its current form.

Enjoy your 50 destinations that you don't ever go to yet your tax money is still used to kick a dead horse every year

You're splitting hairs. SAA filled bankruptcy in Dec 2019 - long before COVID hit your shores. It did not fly commercially for 18months - didnt fly at all for 1yr when company was DEAD.

jl115:
I see you discovered a new word also you said it was grounded...... Yet it was flying in March??

But I see you changed your story to "commercially"

But we already did that - we converted all debt into Equity - and airline survive - as the lenders became shareholders - but now gov has to inject more capital.

jl115:
cool story bro.... But I don't believe in fairy tales and premonitions, the guys that took over SAA are highly experienced in the Air travel industry.

As for KQ.... It will continue to die a slow death like SAA.... Only time will tell if it will be bought by a private firm or simply disappear like a fart in the wind

LOL - yeah everytime it flies - it likely to carry a new variant of the virus. The GODS MUST BE CRAZY down south

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y92lLJj6GRk

gallivant:
So it's a Covid carrier?

It had not flown commercially - for 18 months. Are you doing freight pro bono?

jl115:
grounded for passengers you muppet ... It was still flying vaccines and freight.... Back in March