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COMESA has how many countries - Start from Egypt all down to the border of South Africa -

Kenya is currently the largest producer of pharmaceutical products in the Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA) region, supplying about 50% of the regions’ market.

If you go to most countries in COMESA - you will find kenya made drugs in almost every hospital.

GHANA - please compare yourself with Uganda.

Kenya plays with Egypt, South Africa and maybe Nigeria in almost every sector.

vaxx:
Apart from the more efficient drugs chain we have in Ghana , we also have more bigger manufacturing hub which is above what kenya can do .

Here we go again - when you have on pharma chain DISPENSING drugs - you think can actually manufacture medicine like Kenya. You are like NIgerians - when we joined this forum - they were happy to finally make a syringe

Kenya is currently the largest producer of pharmaceutical products in the Common Market for Eastern and Southern Africa (COMESA) region, supplying about 50% of the regions’ market.

vaxx:
Ghana pharmaceutical industry isn't kenya mate .

The image of black man and Nigerian is the same - from a country with oil but very corrupt - drug peddling Yahoo! criminals - emigrating in numbers - to go and engage in criminal activity. Nigeria is know as boko haram kidnapping very dirty slums.

Kenya is well know as safari HQ - with incredibly beautiful beaches, wild games, mountains and name it - with world class athletes - now with next fintech - and for the rest of the world - visiting Kenya is on their bucket list.

Visiting Nigeria remain in the list of 1000 ways to die.

obaaderemi:
Kenya is the number one country in Africa in terms of belittling the black Africans as a race.
Kenya is the one most vivid image of black corruption, ineptitude, submission to natural forces, hunger...
And all of these are rolled up in the images that came out of Turkana recently. Images that shocked the consciousness and conscience of the entire human race!

They should be as rich as other south africans - not kenyans. South Africa is their country - and they are the majority. They gov of RSA has to fix income inequality otherwise crime, xenophobia, looting, just about got started.

jl115:
The irony in this post is the fact that black South Africans are several times more wealthy than the average Kenyan and live in substantially less poverty.....

Are those pictures for real?

SUFFERInSMILIIN:

Please just look what is happening to my country and you shall understand my pain and anger would my country Christians are being slaughtered on a daily basis look how they are carrying people's cops in Nigeria right now. Yes I know you are not impressed by what I am saying but only when you are in a situation of most Nigerians you will understand what I am saying. You can criticize me but I need to tell the truth of what is happening in Nigeria the pain of the Citizens is too much your suffering in the country is too much for the past 60 years we have been fooling and deceiving ourselves enough is enough. Just look at how my Christian brothers are being slaughtered on a daily basis you will understand my pain. It is better Nigeria brakes up and the country go to hell

We import petrol and related oil product - until we get Turkana Oil to production - we will continue.
We import medicine - we have very good medicine manufacturing for generics - outside South Africa and Egypt.
We import lots of palm/cooking oil - this is a problem and we need to grow sunflower to replace palm oil - but we re-export a lot of this regionally
We import lots of cars - this will continue for quite a while
We imports lots of machinery and capital goods - this will continue.

We do not import a lot of finished manufactured goods - we actually export lots of such goods regional - and outside - leading AGOA in apparel.

If you go to any supermarket in kenya - nearly everything on the shelf is made in kenya.

Just30:
Kenya is industrial giant in what ? When it imports more than 20 billion dollars worth of everything it needs.

You are second in nothing when you total export is 5 billion dollars..

If manufacturing become 20% of your GDP, you won't be importing more than 20 billion dollars worth of goods.

Kenya manufacturing will only be 1/100th of Ghana

You dont even know what industralization looks like. Kenya is industrial giant of East Africa - second only to Egypt in COMESA - for exported manufacturing. Until recently manufacturing was 20 percent of GDP.

Most industries in other east africa countries are subsidiary of kenya

Kenya industrial capacity is maybe 10 folds Ghana.

Just30:
He was a huge success and built Ghana a successful economy..
Ghanaians did not expell him .... He was on a losing game.


Mboya, just like all Kenyan presidents failed Kenyans and left the country with massive unemployment and poverty which is still continuing today.

They all helped in leaving Kenya with no industrial base and highly import dependent. That's the legacy of Mboya

While Nkrumah was driving Ghana to 40yrs of bankruptcy, hyperinflation, famine

Tom Mboya wrote Kenya economic strategy - that saw Kenya grow at 7 percent annually for two decade - unprecedented then in Africa - that was plagued by coups/bankruptcy.

http://repository.kippra.or.ke/bitstream/handle/123456789/2345/AFRICAN-SOCIALISM-AND-ITS-APPLICATION-TO-PLANNING-IN-KENYA.pdf?sequence=6&isAllowed=y

They will find other jobs..unlike South Africa...they own small piece of land.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Too bad for millions working in those farms, no more plucking for them

Mechanization of tea harvesting in Kericho Kenya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfDqceW64M8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GV5QGkY1ahA

It's included apparently it has 25B. That is report on construction firms value. Otherwise Egypt construction industry is huge...consuming nearly 3 times Nigeria cement consumption at 55M metric tonnes.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Egypt was not included it was in the middle east list

Look at the report you keep parroting here - it's talking the value of construction firms. Not the value of construction industry. It's value of home-grown construction firms or companies involved in construction.

That is okay - Nigeria can keep their corrupt contractors - we in Kenya for 20yrs now have embraced Chinese construction firms - for they deliver in time, quality and value.

https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/business/Ghana-s-construction-sector-ranked-7th-best-in-value-for-Sub-Sahara-Africa-Fitch-report-1345588

Appisko:
Yes close

Construction value for Sub-Sahara Africa – Fitch report

Nigeria 55B
Ethiopia 26B
South Africa 24B
Kenya 10B
Ghana 9B

UK allows Kenya and Egypt to travel to UK and remove it from red list. Kenya is now UK most important partner in Sub Saharan Africa. Nigeria is huge mess. South Africa continue it's onward match backward.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2u_vhSQr_E

Keep looking; Almost everything else apart from that CBD is UON - if you keep your radius down. That is just main campus.

Nairobi Main campus has more than 30 block of buildings - the Halls of residence alone are about 20 - so it's even more. That is main campus only. That 22 floor was built recently.

University of Nairobi sit btw the CBD - and westland....it cross the Uhuru highway (expressway) - for main campus - then follow it to riverside - then turn back - all the way to overlook CBD in Mamlaka.

You can not compare to anything in west africa. Nairobi is the mother and father of all Kenyan universities.

vankelvin:


Is the CBD also a uni campus?

All I see is a 22flr building with about 6 flat buildings below.
Unless you want to tell me the CBD is also included.

Your unis are tiny like Junior High Schools.

Show us pictures

How far...Nairobi is growing very fast. Westland 20yrs ago - was not nothing. And now It's not very fastest growing - Kilimani is on steroids.

Joburg is seeing dust in 10yrs max.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJLa97b9b1g


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzB_R5hV5U

Kilimani is going to be the 4th CBD of Nairobi - everywhere is construction site

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DweG1wyfgrk&t=346s

jl115:
its very far from Joburg... Let's not kid ourselves

Watch this video - the border of Nairobi university is that road before you get into very tall buildings - it called University Way - I think you've seen enough of Main campus Office to recognize - most of building except a hotel and brick building - then video turn all the way you'll see Main campus fields, swimming pool, and the hostels - about 15 blocks - Plus lectures Apartments and other buildings.....all the way back to that circular church - before you get back to the CBD. What no visible in that is three girls hostel blocks...

That is just the main campus. That drone is shot at center of UoN main campus.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg7P1hROudE

In the far end of the main field...you see lots of trees - that is start of Chiromo campus.

vankelvin:
We all know how you Kenyans are. There is nothing you guys have argued over and have not attached pictures to it.

Show us evidence (pictures).

You started this nonsense so show us evidence

You actually think there is a university in West Africa that can measure with Nairobi infrastructure wise.

University of Nairobi start from CBD to Westland - those are two campus - Main campus and Chiromo.

Outside the middle of Nairobi are other campuses...

There is Science Campus, there is Education Campus, part of Kenyatta National hospital is the medical school, there is law school in Parklands, there is Lower Kabete Business school, there is Upper Kabete for Agricluture.

Then there is Mombasa and Kisumu campus

Watch this interview for Nairobi - we were with these two musician - cum architect/mathetician - the same time at UON - the premier university in east and central africa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQA7TWaMvQM&t=2367s

vankelvin:
By the way, whoever edited these pictures did very well but we can still see buildings which have not been painted for years

Which one building; UON Towers was built recently. UON has many buildings....UOG is a high school in comparison.

vankelvin:
One building university... When are you guys going to paint your colonial universities?

Any criteria that doesn't include data submitted by universities themselves - where some unknown Nigeria university spring from nowhere. What was that Convent?

Nairobi for most credible stats - rank no 7 in Africa --and definitely top 10 in Africa.

I definitely say Witwatersrand, Cape town, Pretoria, Cairo, Makerere, Nairobi, Stellenbosch are my top 7 Africa universities.

Throw in a 2 more from South Africa (Johannesburg, KwaZulu) and Alexandria from Egypt.

And maybe Ibadan or Lagos or one of those in Ghana or Adis Ababa or Darsaleem.

obaaderemi:
What are the criteria?

And this guy was playing rubgy I think last year. Hopefully it will inspire the next generation of sprinters.

NTSA:
Kenya's Ferdinand Omanyala recently set the new African record in the men's 100m (9.77 seconds) at the 2021 Kip Keino Classic in Nairobi, Kenya.

It's the eighth fastest time in the men's 100m sprint in the world ever.

How much has Ghana added to what British left of that university.

Just30:
Vanessa doing the utmost

Nairobi sunrise from upper hill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nt5wRYipME

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZJR2UUcsVA

Ghana has been on debt distress for as long as one can remember - Kenya got there with COVID - and will be out of it soon.

Just30:
It's all about the ability to pay, and Ghana can pay it debt at ease... Kenya can't ..

Kenya is in debt distress and Ghana is not because Ghana has huge money at it disposal

Ghana has worse debt profile than kenya.

Kenya had issues last year like most countries with reduced revenues but as we speak - revenues are up 30 percent above 2020

https://www.standardmedia.co.ke/business/news/article/2001423824/tax-collection-up-by-a-third-to-sh1254b

Just30:
I've been telling the Kenyans this but they weren't listening and thought I was joking

Where is the beauty?

Just30:
Bortianor and Weija hills filled with beautiful mansions .... Just ordinary people enjoying life

Where did it state?

Appisko:
The IMF has stated that South Sudan, Kenya and Burundi are in high debt risk, and are close to facing financial distress.

Where are getting the data you're quoting?

Abohboy:
I am arguing with data there's no way Nigeria has more people below the poverty line then India or China it's simply impossible Nigeria's middle class alone is 60 million, add on the upper class, upper middle class and the lower class and that should be well over 50 million people my estimate for people below the poverty line would be 70-90 million and in India the number would be much larger at 100-200 million people and do they count children in the poverty line system? Because Almajiris are children and as far as i'm concerned they only count the wealth of parents, and because someone is an Almajiri doesn't mean their parents are below the poverty line it simply means their parents want their learning islamic education and not western education but in some cases it is because they're poor but not always.

And what position do you have to speak on how my parents spend their money you need to mind your own business because you know nothing about my standard of education my views on data concerning my country and my views on politics don't represent my educational status

You're incorrigible.
Why would you want to sell Cocoa to Ivory coast.
You need to collaborate and force the EUs to a wall.
But there are many things you can trade btw yourself.
There are many things East of Ghana can trade with West of Ghana.
Many things North of Ghana can trade with South of Ghana.
Outside Ghana - within Ecowas - you can have thriving trade.
Then you move to AFCTA.
Then the rest of the world.

vaxx:
no charlie, dubai is the world business hub, the government there is pro business and therefore create a flow trade for commercial industry to strive side by side and yes the oil money was used to create the infrastructure for trade. More than half of the gaint conglomerate of the world operate there.

There aren't as conservative to oil like qatar. It is the trading hub of the world.


Amd to the rest of your question. I have answered it already. Business only thrives based on demand . Even if you have the ability to supply, there must be demand.

It is unproductive to have ivory coast Cocoa in Ghana unless there is a demand for it.

Dont argue with data. Your parent wasted their money on you. Nigeria is poor. ADMIT THE PROBLEM and fix it. The entire North of Nigeria with 100M people - are full of Almajiris - and life there is no different from niger or chad.

Admit the problem.

Abohboy:
You really believe that Nigeria is the poverty capital of the world? You know that western media can lie and that they're often inaccurate and you believe they lie about the situation in North Korea but don't take a secoond guess on their news on Nigeria?

Nigeria's middle class alone is over 60 million people do you really believe that there is no lower class above the poverty line but below the definition of middle class? And this lower or working class indefinitely numbers more then 40 million and for you to even think that China and India have less people below the poverty line then Nigeria does is frankly amazing to me because it should just be common sense that it isn't the case but continue listening to everything without taking a second thought at the case on ground.

And do you really think that there aren't Nigerians who can afford housing in estates like what's wrong with you. You sound like the average ignorant American or European can those Africans even afford food, can those Africans even afford water, can those Africans even afford housing. For someone who claims to be a radical leftist African your views on Africa are extremely western and quite literally outlandish and weird

You keep repeating Dubai - the desert outpost - like it's any different from Qatar or Saudis or any of those rich nations.
Those are just oil rich nations trying to divest - remove Oil and they die.
There is a lot of difference regional or sub-continentally for trade to thrive.
We can import cocoa from Ghana - and you can import Tea from kenya.
Now you import Tea from England - and we import Chocolate from Swiss.
Both do not grow any cocoa or tea...the processing required for tea and cocoa is minimal..it mostly packaging.
There is nothing high-tech...we should only import machinery and high tech from them..not tea or chocolate.
Obviously there is scope for international trade - generally Africa should be doing 50-50 intra-africa and external
But most countries do less than 10 percent
Intra-africa trade is non-existent except for few countries like Kenya.

Look at Oil - it goes to India - and come to Kenya and Africa - after processing (refining). And it comes when prices has trippled.

With Dangote - it will be cheaper - transport wise - because ship will not go to India - then come back to kenya! All money will go to Nigeria - not India. Nigeria will sell refined oil - not cheap crude oil. India has no oil but it's refinery business is creating wealth. Europe has no cocoa but chocolate industry is 100B.If you do not have quality milk - Kenya and South Africa have quality milk.

And that is AFCTA - promote intra-africa trade.

vaxx:
what is United Arab selling?

First off, you have ignored economics, when constructing this question.

Nations interact or trade with each other based on economic comparative advantages . You cannot sell oranges nor apples to your neighbors that have it double your quantity.


I hate repeating myself, the other statement you made here are hiding in my write up. afcta might be the game changer. But it need to be well planned .

This is fact that Africans do not want to hear.
To hear they must admit their own failures
They want to blame slavery, colonialism, and neocolonialism
Anything but take blame and responsibility.
And of course fix the problem.
For until you admit the problem..you cannot fix it.

obaaderemi:
False.

Korea was not annexed by Japan until 1910.
Look,man. Without Japan's short lived empire, the country would still have prospered. It's about structure.
The country was structured to progress after the Meiji Restoration happened.

Putting Japan's progress on colonialism, especially by Africans, is running away from facts. Spain had an empire that stretched up to South America, the richest parts, yet by 1960s Spain was one of the poorest countries in Europe. Compare Spain with Germany.
German colonies were almost useless yet Germany prospered.