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Hilarious posts.
Afcta is about intra-africa trade.
Kenya is good example of a country to emulate; it use to do 50:50; intra africa and external trade
The best trade is trade btw you and your neighborhood.
Countries that developed normally trades within themselves.
That is why regions seem to all developed at the same time.
It's boats floating with ships around them...drifting.
EU developed all at once - South Asians the same - and name them.
It very difficult to develop alone in midst of chaos.
If you focus on international trade - then transport cost alone will kill you.
If you focus on trading with Togo or Ivory coast - then you'll be very competitive.
Africa must trade within itself
And that it can only do by producing goods and services that satisfy local, regional, national, sub-continental, continental and finally international markets.
Even if entire world allowed Africa duty free zero tarrif market to rest of the world.
What will you sell?

vaxx:
it good you have stop repeating the mantra ( industrialization) that can be google on popularised internet as the economic changer . It is trade that does it better not necessarily industrialization.


Africa’s trade flows have very little to do with European and american rule. It is a question of competition and demand. Who is demanding for african goods and who are we competing with . How many country really want it . For example , how much of kenya tea does america/ Germany consume . We need revamping in our trade industry anyway. Hope you know we are competing with China in European market. China is producing almost the same as us( including raw material). Can we compete china for example or india?

China is leapfroging on this because it is a big nation united as one . Maybe when afcta fully come on board, we might see a game changer. Or what negotiation will a weak nation like Ghana have with big nation like USA on trade that will amount to Ghana Gain. A small Ghana will always be at the backward end while a big USA will have the upper hand .A united africa front can solve the issue . We are over 1. 4 billion . That is threat to even china if we are ready to unite .

But again, how many European country are ready to buy our goods.

I hear ruwanda has a phone industry, as she try selling it to the usa ?

Who has stopped Africa from trading.
20yrs ago - President Bush signed - The African Growth and Opportunity Act (AGOA) - a trade act that allowed Africa countries duty free entry to US for nearly 2,500 types of goods.
Why hasn't Africa taken advantage of it?
It's inability to produce anything - in fact outside Oil - Kenya leads in AGOA.

AGOA provides eligible sub-Saharan African countries with duty-free access to the U.S. market for over 1,800 products, in addition to the more than 5,000 products that are eligible for duty-free access under the Generalized System of Preferences program. ...

vaxx:
shut up , I just gave you example of a nation who does not produce nearly anything spectacular but she is prosperous. DUBAI.

A well industrialized Nairobi without trade will amount to economic bullshit. But imagine a Nairobi with stores and chains of warehouse where everything can be practically purchased . That is economic breakthrough. It is trade in Money, goods and services that translate to wealth not actually industrialization.

We will produce alongside trade. Industry without trading is practically another Burundi.
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Uk is the biggest financial trading center now , gradually shifting away from industrialization. China understand both business.

Even in the era of industrialization, the trading Nation are the richest .

Before you trade; you must produce;
Please understand things; Before tie yourself into a knot.
Now how do your produce?
You can use your own hand or machines (Industrialization)
You cannot go to market places - without anything to sell.
Africa must produce - good and services - for internal trade and external trade.
You must produce quality goods cheaply - so you can compete in free market economy.
Mauritius is service-oriented economy - because it's a small island - although they do a lot of sugar production.
Ghana has to produce - beyond primary goods (cocoa) - they need to get into agro-processing - and finally into manufacturing.
They need to go into low hanging fruits - labor intensive manufacturing initially - like textile and apparel manufacturing
Before they acquire capital to import machinery to get into proper manufacturing
Finally they need to build their own machines - R& - that final stage of manufacturing - manufacturing your own machines.

vaxx:
so half bake .The country you mentioned aren't a full developed country anyway, so what do you think will really impressed me about them. They aren't a big trading center nor a technological hub rendering practical solution. Bostwana is just as lucky as Ghana with natural resources and small population. The lsland called mauritius is just an offshore financial center . Growing at the expense of other weak nation. Don't be surprised to hear you have some amount of kenya money stock in there . Ghana can easily play such system anyway.


Industrialization does not necessarily developed a nation , trade does . China and India used to be industrialized but fell alongside when they cannot complete in trade . What is the importance of industrialization when there is no trade. China understand this and it get back on its page of development after playing protectionism for a while. You will need a ready market for your industrialization. Grow it along your industry.

United arab emirates is simply a trading center. Nothing like big industry going up there. India and china goods end up trading there it is trade in goods, services, and money that developed nations. industrialization does little for economic development.


The West were looking for a new market and africa was found after they have gotten their market saturated .



Trading Nation will always remain the most wealthy , European/America understand this. hence a competition with China

You can pick Mauritus or Botswana - who have chosen the democratic route - whatever system you adopt - get it working! It not true that countries developed due to slavery or colonialism. Countries developed by simply improving their productivity - mostly due to industrialization.

vaxx:
Hopefully you will prefer a kind of ruwanda solution . A dictator per excellence I guess.( Wise dictator) Then summit a note to your top hierarchy so that they can maintain uhuru and then copy ruwanda model of leadership.

Being poor is a state. What matters is progress. Burundi which is Rwanda cousin in everything - same country split into two - is bottom poorest country in the world. Rwanda has slowly climbed out and is looking at the future with more hope.

Rwanda began from worse...one poorest landlocked country with genocide...and Kagame has turned around it's fortunes...

Botswana and Mauritus are also good examples.

vaxx:
Yet ruwanda is still more poorer than Ghana. That is laughable.

In infrastructure, ruwanda ( Kigali might not be as developed as Tamali the northern Ghana) yes I acknowledge the neatness , it shows the citizens are cooperating with the little resources in their hands .


I hear a whole Kigali does not have a single fly over .

Yes - if you stopped exporting raw cocoa beans - and work together with ivory coast - you'll create the seed wealthy required to spur manufacturing. Of course kenya is also not doing as well as it could.

But please stop lazy excuses about coloniliasm, neocoloniliasm, slavery and name it - own up to your own messes.

vaxx:
it seems you have been conquered on the hogwash stupidity of you exterminating Western colonies out out of africa wealth.

Now you have to bite at Ghana.

I think your tea driven economy ( kenya ) needs to follow ghana extensive wide development. You will need to Follow the example of Ghana. Along with Ivory Coast.

Ghana is known as producer of cocoa just like your kenya is to tea. We just announced our intention to cutback exports of raw cocoa. It will, instead, we increase our domestic production of the finished product, chocolate. A high value, finished product. . We will not live our national pride in hands of india under the name of national needs.

The product alone is more than kenya total export .

Ghana is indeed developing as we are closing the poverty line everyday. in subsharan africa , Ghana has one of the most successful story .

The quickest way to lose a race before it starts is to have such self-defeatist attitude. Nothing is preventing your country Ghana from refusing to sell their cocoa beans before adding value. Nothing is stopping Ghana from kicking out Chinese gangs smuggling your gold. Nothing is stopping Ghana from prudently managing it's macro-economics and stopping borrowing Eurobond like a drunken sailor. Nothing is stopping Ghana from investing in vocational training and prepare it's workforce for manufacturing jobs. Nothing is stopping Ghana from improving it's basic infrastructure. Nothing stops Ghana for creating special economic zones to spur manufacturing. Nothing stops Ghana from inviting foreign investors. Nothing stops Ghana from moving to agro-processing.

Nothing stops Ghana from developing. If you're looking for excuses...you will never run out of them.

Look at what Kagame is doing in Rwanda. No Excuses.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4NNmFvxJJk&t=14s

vaxx:
China is an ancient super power...it has been a productive nation . The gun powder that becomes bullet and abacus that made today modern computer was borrowed from them. You should ask yourself why ancient civilizations in africa like egypt, Algeria and ethiopia are not as developed as the former even when they both have a good start head

How are we going to developed when the colonials are still the one ruling us up till today, they only change the formation of their leadership. We are still suck with their wack system of governance that those not really celebrate the africa in us. and any country who try to embrace another ideology that differ from them end up becoming a hotbed of crisis. When libya was at peace. The citizens were living far better than italian.

And you must know, no where on the Globe, US and Europe interfered remained peaceful! Look at Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, iraq, Mali.... it rather remained hot bed of civil war!.

Let China allowed this and see.


Now, they are hovering to distablize Ethiopia, a country remained to be beacon of independence with unwavering commitment to Pan-African movement!!!

Very small part of their growth is attributed to slavery or colonization; it down to industrial revolution. See china for recent example; or Veitnam now.

Abohboy:
Germany is a different situation i'd have to read more on it but in terms of England, France, Spain, Portugal and Japan slavey and colonization played a great deal in their growth

Emotional polemics. Who did China colonize or enslave to industrialize and develop recently? We need to stop looking back at history and blaming slavery or coloniliasm for our poverty now. We can grow if we learn from develop world and develop our manufacturing sector for starters.

vaxx:
I really don't know how it feels to you when a certain people impose his culture, language, religion and economic way of life on another individual for his own selfish gain.

Yes they are not entirely baren but they need cheap labour for their development and it was gotten from africa , apart from extracting our raw material, they also used our human for their selfish interest. Our people do the job so cheaply.

Well, when the slave trade ends, the European body have to find a new way of making money after they have have established their slave fort everywhere in africa. Africa economical gain was so important to them that they have to find and quickly set up a conference in same germany," berlin," and divide africa like their own property . When the french and the british have extensively used our men (cheap labor) to developed their own country . The new comer like italy and beligium and germany have to come on board . A rich copper resources country of congo was given to Belgium , itali took over prosperous Tripoli, Germany took over cameroon and Trans Togo (modern day volta and northern Ghana).

It has been proven economically, domestic business alone can't developed a nation. a new market is important. British were our former chinese. From common food spoon to Tea cup of the british can be found in every africa home when there were really stealing us here . There just need a rapid market .

They have to build trains and collect ounces of gold in return , they have to build hopsital. And collect barrel of oil in return , they have to build universities and continue their indoctrination.

How did Slavery Contribute to Germany Development?

Abohboy:
There weren't slaves in England or Germany but there were slaves in the Americas and some African countries whicjh they used for wealth and Japan had thousands of Korean and Chinese sex slaves and also slaves for their farms.

Kip Keino classic - part of Worlds Continental tour - now in Nairobi. Gatlin amongst those competing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yabtMhZrG0

Which slaves were in Britain or Japan or Germany

Abohboy:
Actually I got an academic scholarship for my work during thr GCSEs which i'm stilll doing and industrial revolution needed a lot more then machines it needed money and that money came from the sale of agriculture from slavery as well as from resources obtained during colonization there's literally nothing to argue making machines was 10 to 20 times more expensive then it is today so they needed large amounts of wealth to start the industrial revolution it wasn't until the mid 19th century that the industrial revolution became relatively independent from slave labour

I am sure you failed your GCSE going by how your reason.
Understand the difference btw causality and causation.
Agrarian revolution needed labour.
Industrial revolution needed machines.
If I make a machine today - and I have no slave or colonial history - I will propser.
I dont need slaves to make a machine to automate work - and generate 100 times the output of a slave.
What do I need to make a cloth making machine or brick making machine or frying pan making machine? - I need know-how - I need my brains more than anything else - I need universities - I need research and development.

Once these machines were cranking - they were able to create immense wealth - more than all the previous wealth of slavery, agricluture and name it.

Abohboy:
Omds this is literally part of the GCSE course in England why would they teach it if it wasn't accurate? Children are told that the Industrial revolution started impart due to the wealth amassed from the slave trade and the agriculture that the slaves produced and the only reason why slavery and the slave trade ended was because the industrial revolution began, the industrial revolution would have taken way longer to start had slavery not occured and there's nothing to argue about.

I know you want to feel important as an African.

International trade is not important - even if you blockaded these countries - there is a lot of DOMESTIC trade and economy that can propel a country.

Colonialism was a drain - nearly all those railways never could pay for itself. All the steels and irons had to be ship in.

And the extracted raw materials not much of it made to mother countries....there was very little going on in africa.

It's not like those countries are baren of raw materials.

When German grew under Hilter - it was pariah state - but Germans industrial machine - was able to produce goods for germans - a car for everyone - a bicyle - a road - a house - all these kept machines busy and economy growing - only in the last stage after exhausting your domestic economy - do you actually need international expansion

vaxx:
You people are so stupid not to know they need raw material for their industrialization and new trade center and this was largely gotten in africa . From gold to copper to iron ore to oil .


Yes, British does inject money on her colonies but all were done for the purpose of business which birth the long time gain the british are enjoying now . The establishment of railway line and constructions of hospital and roads for example , create a lot of job for their skilled workers and professional.

That is nonsense. Please study industrial revolution in those countries.
It has zero to do with coloniliasm and slavery - and even with international trade.
Why was industry able to transform the economy.
Simple - industry has 10 mutli-plier factor compared to say Agricluture.
So those countries grew very fast as they manufactured goods.
You saw how China recently grew up fast as it embarked on manufacturing

Abohboy:
The industrial revolution would have never happened without the money from the slave trade orthe money from colonialism that's a standard fact and most people unless you're an EDL member ( Racist, conservative, against immigration etc. ) in England know this fact no Europeann country would be where it is today without imperialism, slavery and colonialism they gained immesne amounts of wealth from them and it was that wealth tha they used to fuel their development

Kenya has many such gated communities - and more expensive.
For example - Great rift valley resort and golf residence - in Naivasha. VIpingos, Migaa, Thika greens and et

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blND1laYuE8

Vlain:
Show me an estate like this in Kenya and I will make sure to never show my face here again.
Watch to the end and pay attention to details.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB-vun8AvS4

Correction - Japan, Italy and German lost their colonies in 1st World war - in 1918-1920. Without a drain of colonies - they were subsequently able to grow very fast until they started another war in 1945 - a re-match of the 1st world war.

obaaderemi:
False.
Japan did not have a colony outside its land until 1894.
And by 1945 it was all gone.
Meanwhile, Japan's real wealth started with the Meiji Restoration in 1860s.

Folks only two countries almost depended entirely on colonialism for their advancement - Spain and Portugal - the rest had very robust local economies based on industrialization - and the colonies were mostly a drain on their economies. Start with Britian - nearly all colonies were in the red - and needed injection of money from Britain. In fact US, Japan and German were able to avoid colonial cost/drain and grow faster - than Britain and France - who had to shoulder huge price trying to manage their mostly loss making colonies.

What made Britain, Germany, Japan. ITALY and France rich - INDUSTRALIZATION.

Now study the two European countries - that did not - industralize - but depend on plundering the gold and minerals of South America - Spain and Portugal.

Barley is also grown in kenya alot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hPArC7h_3FU

Other large scale wheat farms in kenya are in Narok - Narok senator speaks in this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM7Lg4N21Go

Wheat is 2nd most grown grain in Kenya after Maize.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-a-LHkpeo4

Kenya wheat and flower farms - Timau. Beautiful farmlands as good as developed world.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsxMi9SRWsk

Kenya tea main consumers are Arabs, Pakistanis, Afgans...England is not even 10 percent. Learn to diversify your economy

Wizzzzmike:
When the whites stop buying tea from ur country come and tell me u will still a strong economy... dumbass illiterate

Religion is one of good things - our animistic witchcraft voodo religion was bad.
Evil things - minority rule, racism, discrimination, cruelty, forced labour

Abohboy:
What evil? As long as you don't say religion i'm good

I think EU and AU should first and foremost be about TRADE. EU was formed after Europeans realized they needed to trade with each other when their colonies ended. It also better to trade with the neighborhood and cut the transport cost.

The other things in these regional integration are add-on. Every country should stick to their systems and unique situations but everything should be done to facilitate trade.

Our countries are already complex enough - but adding a continent with maybe 2,000 languages in crazy to the mix. We should just foster intra-africa trade. The rest will lead to unnecessary complications.

So Africa Free Trade Area is what we need...AU is useless talk shop for Africa presidents.

Abohboy:
The one currency is what is the problem and the European Union trying to get involved in how different economies work and what they can and cannot do, all i'm proposing is sharing the excess and uniting the healthcare and education systems and connecting the continent with roads and railways

Precisely. There is the tendency to deny all the good the coloniliasm brought and only talk about the evil. This is why African never learnt anything. We should have learnt the good and great things European brought - as we did away with the evil. Countries that look at this soberly even invited some European to stay around with their expertise's. Even now countries should not shy away to ask for technical assistance from advanced countries - be they Chinese or Whites.

mtisTheQubit:
Africa was and continues to be in shambles until its people abandon denial. Blaming white man for their suffering will not help. He brought both good and bad. Surprisingly, when he left, most black countries reverted to their default settings. For example, apartheid was terrible, but their country was better economically at the time than it is today. The same is true for most Sub-Saharan African countries.

We actually boycotted twice - but generally we allowed some Boers to trade. There was already a huge Boer community in kenya pleading for other Boers. These are the Boers who had trekked north after losing the Anglo-Boer war to British in South Africa - and established Eldoret town. Kenya was therefore one of the few Pro-Boer Africa country although we abided by AU resolutions.

Boer = in Kenya is called Kaburu.

Kenya boycotted the Olympics in 1976 and 1980. In 1976 Kenya joined other African nations who boycotted the Olympics to protest New Zealand's sporting links with apartheid South Africa. In 1980, Kenya acquiesced to pressure from the United States and boycotted the Olympics to protest the invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR

mtisTheQubit:
That's very honest of you ...at least Kenya didn't give a hoot about the whole thing...

It easy to blame CIA and give Dr Kwame Nkrumah a free pass for his disastrous economic policy that bankrupted Ghana. At least Julius Nyerere of TZ was man enough to admit failure without looking for lame excuse.

Wizzzzmike:
Have you read CIA report about Kwame Nkrumah and the report George Bush senior sent to the white house?

yes the target is to get 2m; the university 1M; that should ensure high school to college transition of nearly 70 percent; that is pretty good.

kikuyu1:
Doubled in 5 yrs! How many countries have managed HALF that figure? Ex CS Education Matiangi/Abdalla (though she FKd up on another issue), ex PS Kevit Desai and present CS Magoha went ALL OUT and deserve medals.

Our primary school is 8yrs. Our secondary school is 4yrs. Our university is 4yrs. Therefore expect roughly 8m in primary. 4m in secondary. 4m in Tivet+all other colleges+university if we were to nail the transition.
8-4-4
A new system based on CBC - is coming up

AfriqueDuZuid:
Does the highlighted make sense to you?

10million in primary and 4 million in high school, and you have 100 percent transition?

Enlighten me

Despite their absence in the records, German rocket scientists had a lasting imprint on Soviet rocketry. The work of captured German scientists enabled the Soviet Union to rapidly catch up to, and briefly surpass, the United States in rocket technology.

Both US and USSR benefitted from Hilter German revolutionary work.

US took German scientist including the likes of Albert Eisteen.

USSR shameless dismantled German factories and carted it away to Russia - and used it to build their manufacturing.

The Soviet Union just like the United States absconded with intellectual property more than industrial material (mainly because the Allies bombed the German industrial complexes to near extinction) . Both countries were in hot pursuit of nuclear technology and space exploration. The U.S. had shown it's capabilities with the bombs at Nagasaki and Hiroshima which scared the Soviets. The U.S. got von Braun and many other top notch personnel and helped America develop the "Space Program" in a close race with the U.S.S.R.

Hueman:
Did hitler make it or did the workers make it? Lol. And I don’t know much about Nazi Germany so I would rather not talk about them. USSR success was their own. They didn’t need colonialism and imperialism like germany did. USSR even beat the US in the space program. USSR was a beast. They are the reason why many capitalist countries had to get social services so that their citizens wouldn’t start questioning capitalism lol.

To quality I mean altruistic dictatorship like Rwanda's Kagame, late Meles Zenawi of Ethiopia and previously Museveni.
But dude you've got crazy ideas that have no place in 21st century.
You're living almost in a time-wrap.
And most of us here are not Nigerians.

Hueman:
The irony of you saying this hilarious. Africa is ruled by so many dictatorship yet we have nothing to show for it. This development thing is more complex than liberal democracy VS authoritarianism.

By the way communism is designed as a dictatorship of the workers. This means workers controls the country. While capitalism is designed as a dictatorship of the bourgeois. Nigeria is a dictatorship controlled by the bourgeois. People like Dangote control this country. He has the state killing his workers when they try to protest against unfair working conditions. You live in a country were many are homeless and dying of hunger but you think it’s better because it’s not communism. Plsssss speak about these economic system from the perspective of an African person.

Communism can only be achieved through a revolution. Do you think Dangote will give us his company if we beg him and vote in the right leaders? They’ll try to kill us before we get it. We have to fight them back. China and ussr got to were they are through a revolution. The west has had those things you talk about yet they’re far away from communism.

You completely ignore the fact that we’ve been allowing the private sector to do what ever they want. I mean look at what she’ll is doing to the Niger delta. They won’t even do that in the west.

Stalin also stole Germany manufacturing engine that Hilter had built - dismantling machinery and tools - and carting them away - to Russia. Some most of that USSR success was down to great work that Hilter had done to inspire Germans to produce.

Hueman:
Vietnam is so capitalist that they paused their economy to handle a pandemic.

China is so capitalist that they kill billionaires for corruption.

pls oga read something. These countries are not like America. And what happening in them is far more complex. For instance China recently banned private education to remove the gap between the rich and the poor. They recently created a program were high quality teachers are rotated around the country so student of different backgrounds can have the best quality education. These countries do not practice neoliberalism nor do they intend to. The fall of the ussr changed everything for communist countries, they had no choice but to open up or they’ll be stuck. Ex: see North Korea. All of these was outside of their control. China was smart for collecting the means of production from capitalist countries because they are very greedy for cheap labour. Then now they are using those productive capital to build themselves up. If you want to compare capitalism and communism. Just look at India vs China. They both started the same way but ended drastically differently.