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Nigeria cannot even wipe herself - leave alone building anything. First fix the insecurity.

Kuruptnigga:
Just30 don't mind that mad man! In West Africa we build estates to benefit our people. To move them out from slums. But in Kenya, they build to benefit their white masters. While they wallow in slums.

Kenya being mostly arid and semi-arid experience perennial droughts in many parts - but it has never become a famine - because kenya gov and indeed NGOS - have always moved in to supply food and other interventions.

Understand difference btw DROUGHT and FAMINE. Ghana had a famine in 1983 - and droughts are common all over the world.

While everyone was rushing to help Ethiopia thanks to KENYA MEDIA - Ghana famine was swept under the rug - leading to catastrophe it became.

Just30:
You are deflecting to Ethiopia

I said, Kenya experience farmine every year with 6 million Kenyans at risk of starvation.... That is terribly horrific for any human society...

No wonder Humanitarian organisations have pitched camps closure and use pics from Kenyan to convince the world to donate more money...



Ghana had an abundance of food because of huge food import during crop failures of 1983...
So Ghanaians did not starve to death

Kenya has had many droughts - but not famine. The last famine in kenya happened in 19th century.

When there is drought in parts of kenya - kenya gov and international NGOS - have always quickly moved in to supply food.

That has prevented the droughts from becoming a famine like happened in Ghana and Ethiopia in 1984s.

Inadequate management of a drought lead to famine.

I dont think you even understand what a famine is. Ethiopia had many famines. Ghana had a famine so bad - and before that was hell -with failed economic growth - leading to many ghanains bailing out to beg.

You became such a nuisance - Nigeria decided to expel you in the middle of a famine.

And that was indeed horrific

Just30:
Ghana's 1983 population was 12 million

About 3 million Ghanaians were already living in other West African countries plying their trade....

Ghana had a famine because Agriculture failed but thanks to the brilliance of JJ Rawlings, there was an abundance of food in the country except for the fact that traders haul them to sell at astronomical prices


Kenya has always had farmine, year after year because kenyans are lazy and dont grow anything...

1982-1983 - Ghana had a famine- so bad - nearly all Ghanaians emigrated to beg for food as Nigeria . Kenya has never reach there. The last famine in kenya was 1899.

Ghana became independent in 1957 and by 1965s had become the 1st African country to become bankrupt under the weight of Kwame Nkurumah extravagance including building volta dam . The army subsequently kicked him out of power,invited IMF to fix your country and he died in Guinea.

Ghana average growth from 1965 all through 1980s - was I think on average 2 percent - Ghana went through many hyperinflation - CEDIS was as useless as Zim or Zambia Kwacha - poverty was so endemic - culminating in famine of 1984.

Ghana only started to recover in 2005.

Just30:
Ghanaians were never poor and hungry and never have we.

You still haven't told us why Kenya has been poor, hungry and starving since independence.

Why all the bloody wars in Kenya and try not to put the blame on Turkana......Ghana had it own Turkana (Northern Ghana)
Nkrumah being so smart, decided to make education free for them.. Today, Northerners are the most educated group of people in Ghana.


Nkrumah was never Communist and that is why Ghana achieved so much growth and development with his 7 years and 10 years development plan...Ghana was the most developed country in SSA under him and highly industrialised...

This strong development and growth is the reason why Kenya has not been able to overtake Ghana..... also, Ghanaians are highly enterprising than Kenyans.

When Kenya became a republic on 12 December 1964, the new President Kenyatta appointed Tom Mboya to the Economic Planning and Development Ministry and transferred all functions of his former Justice ministry to the office of Attorney General under Charles Mugane Njonjo. Together with his deputy then Mwai Kibaki, he issued Sessional Paper 10, which defined Kenya's form of economic policies,when it was debated and passed by parliament in 1965. Mboya presented the Sessional Paper No. 10 for debate in parliament in April 1965 covering the period of 1964 – 1970 under the title African Socialism and its Application to Planning in Kenya. Kenyatta and Mboya were known advocates of a non-aligned international policy, not wanting blanket application of capitalism while completely abhorring scientific socialism.In 1966,Tom Mboya was removed from the economic planning ministry and Kibaki was appointed for the first time as full Minister for Commerce and Industry. Mboya's development plans at the Economic Planning Ministry were credited for Kenya's development rate of 7%, which was sustained during his tenure as the Planning Minister.

Kenya economy was anchored by London School of Economics(LSE) trained economist Finance minister Kibaki (later president) and Tom Mboya - who developed 1965 Kenya sessional paper no 10 - Sessional Paper Number 10 on African Socialism and its Application to Planning" - like we now have VIsion 2030.

This was the thinking of two greatest kenyans - the economic blueprint that kenya would use for next two decades.
http://www.treasury.gov.za/coopbank/publications/Kenya%20document.pdf

“One of our problems is to decide how much priority we should give in investing in less developed
provinces . To make the economy as a whole grow as fast as possible, development money should
be invested where it will yield the largest increase in output. This approach will clearly favour the
development of areas having abundant natural resources, good land and rainfall, transport and
power facilities, and people receptive to and active in development. A million pounds invested in
one area may raise net output by £20,000 while its use in another may yield an increase of
£100,000. This is a clear case in which investment in the second area is the wise decision because
the country is £80,000 per annum better off by so doing and is therefore in a position to aid the
first area by making grants or subsidized loans .

If were engaging in intellectually stimulating conversation, it would be interesting.

Kwame Nkurummah went communism/socialiasm as soon as Ghana got independence - went on to invest in Volta dam - Ghana became so bankrupt - Nkurmah was kicked out by 1962 - and died in the neigberhouring country.

Ghana would for the next two decades grow at 1-2 percent - ending in 1984 famine - Ghana would continue in the same morass - for I think another decade until recently.

Now remember this Ghana that was called GOLD COAST - but that did not prevent Ghana from mess that saw Ghana Bags (even in kenya - those bags are called Ghana MUST GO bags ) .

Move on to Kenya. Kenya got independence in 1963 - as direct colony - the Kenya civil services were one with London civil services - budget was from London - and name it.

Kenya as preparation took 800 to US - and USSR also tried to take many kenyans to East German and Russia - to study - in preperation for independence.

We got nothing from Ghana - in human resources or other resources.

Now kenya grew very fast - by making critical decisions 1) Capitialism 2) Kenya realize having no natural resources - it resolve to invest in HIGH POTENTIAL AREAS - HIGH PAYBACK - this called 1970 sessional paper or something.

What happens - kenya got into very high growth rate for more than 2 decades - of average 7 percent.

But in end - kenya LOW Potential Areas - Turkanas, Somalis - about 2/3 of kenya land mass - got almost zero investment - they became poor and hungry like Ghanians.

Kenya decided to invest in high potential areas and ignore or marginalized huge part of kenya.

What happeneded - those low potential area remained poor - and the high potential areas - were undone by population.

Anyway this waste of time - you're TOO obtuse.

Just30:
This is the first time in history that bloodless coups have been described as a war, do you know what a war is?

Explain how kenya was growing at 7% and still couldn't catch up to Ghana from the 60s all the way to today, economically.

Explain why Kenya was so poor such that it because the global HQ for aid delivery...when ever people wanted to talk about aid for Africa, they took pics of starving kenyans....

Explain how Ghana got broke in the 60s yet it was still paying civil and public servants working in Kenya, for kenyans

The British were busy hiring Ghanaians in 1880s because of how educated we were, by the early 1900s there were so many educated Ghanaians everywhere and that is why Ghanaians were running kenya during pre-independence and after.

You had several coups - that is war. You were all over Africa escaping Ghana. Your country became broke in 1962 long before kenya became independent...and from 1960 to 1985 - I think average growth was 1 percent . Kenya on the contrary was growing at 7 percent on average from 1963 until the Oil crisis of 1984. There was brief one year in 1972 Oil crisis - but Kenya was growing as fast as Asian Tigers - only problem our population was world fastest growing at 4 percent plus. By mid 1980s - we realized we had been doing zero work - and we began to address our population growth.

Please do not be a joker - Kenya pre-independence was RUN BY BRITISH. This was a direct colony with 200,000 white britons - settled in 2 million acres of land. There were few Asians (indians).Why would British - hire uneducated Ghanians in their civil services?

After our independence - we allowed the British to choose to remain or go back - about 20,000 remain - majority run to South Africa, Zim, Australia and some back to England unable to countenance a black rule.

Those who remained- continued in civil services - as educated Kenyans slowly filled their slot.

Just30:
Ghana has never had a war

Next big lie to make you feel better about your country....


About 40% of judges, lawyers, Doctors and Teachers in your country, during pre-independence and 10 years into independence were Ghanaians......

The reason why kenya fare badly compare to most African countries was the fact that kenya was largely uneducated and so deeply rooted in tribal nonsense....

Kenya immediately became a bastard case after independence

Please re-read your history again. I know Ghanian like to console themselves that cause of their mess is them shouldering other countries to gian their freedom. NOT Kenya.

As part of our independence preperation- we asked the Americans to provide us educational opportunities - John F Kennedy and Martin Luther King - listen to Tom Mboya - and granted 800 Kenyans - scholarship to the best universities in US - IVY League like Harvard (Obama father), Nobel Laurate Wangari Maathai.

800 kenyans left in 1959 - in KENNEDY AIRLIFT PROGRAM- to the best US universities- and they nearly ALL came back in 1963 - when kenya got independence - ready to take over from White and Asian civil services. This is why we fared better than most Africans.

Ghanians and Ugandans who came to kenya - came later in 1970s-1980s - as refugees escaping war and dictatorship. The Ghanians and Nigerians were handful - but most were Ugandans who became mostly high school teachers.

Just30:


Kwame give Kenya lawyers, Doctors, Judges, Nurses, Teachers, Engineers, Soldiers, Police, Bankers and so many others because Kenyans were not educated enough to handle a country on their own.. And guess what, Ghanaian tax payers pay for it...

Kenyans were castrated for being weak while Kwame was busy fighting for your independence...

Your sisters here, including this one, cant even compete with recently graduated kids who are already owning their own businesses...

She was employed by a recent out of uni kid ..... If she is smart enough, she should create her own business ( I heard, that is strange for kenyans)

The last is better - baby steps - look like you're just in 1980s.

Just30:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB4hz8MnE1Y


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9zm6hNwdpA

Where do you get that idea that Kenya real estate are own by Indian or Chinese or Europeans? It very normal for a normal kenyan to own apartments.

Just30:
Kenyans are obviously not enterprising when everything in Kenya is either owned by an Indian, a Chinese of an European

They are luxurious because they offer better quality luxury finishing and every single apartment has a lift...unlike the low life crap you guys put up

She already described your countrymen as slothful, indolent, obtuse and plaid - and she describes the incredible opportunities in your economy - because everyone is trying to run away - instead of providing solutions - and she is there definitely to dominate you and have fun while at it.

Kwame did JACK in kenya. We rejected his socialist nonsense. Kenyans fought for their independence in an armed struggle and got it rest of Africa with help of Americans.

Just30:
see this kid from a lazy country where they can't own anything except living in slums which is they onlything they can own...

Tell me home she will dominate in a country where she is just an employee?

Kwame is the best thing that happens to your country Kenya, he birthed Kenya while Kenyans were still thirsty for the blood of their fellow kenyans..

Why do you call social or low class housing - luxurious. Eti Ghana Women - do you really know how enteprising kenyans are?

Just30:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJa-1LnmreA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvSkT3p9Q4U


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eok8H3amn3w

No she is coming there to dominate your communist lazy uneducated behind. That is what Kenya do. Ask your communist friend Tanzania.Those communist always try to literally blockade the border...otherwise kenyans dominate East Africa.
No wonder Nigerians come to Ghana to operate shops, taxis and run basic stuff.
Kwame really messed you.

Just30:
Lunatic

Tell me how Ghanaians personal income are inflated by minerals...

Now you are making excuses for why your country should be paying it citizens peanuts...

We dont pay people peanuts here and that makes living in Ghana comfortable ...

The person you are posting videos from has run out of Kenya to come and live in Ghana because of the higher salaries she receives in Ghana.....

Ghana has a massive abundance of brains... and massive better infrastructure to make her escape Kenya for better life in Ghana...

So far, your country Kenya has not been able to surpass Ghana in any infrastructure....


NExt joke


You are talking about capitalist and private businesses meanwhile Ghana is the HQ of private businesses, no country on the continent as many private businesses as Ghana....

Ghanaian women rant first in the entire world in the ownership of private businesses....

Joke is on you, The houses that Ghanaian women put up, Kenyan men and women combine cant put anything similar up?

Madman - I know you try to pass to be in Tema port - but you are in South Africa - like rest of Ghanian - trying to escape your hopeless country

This lady really nail Ghana in few minutes - something that has taken us years in nairaland trying to pass to your really dense brain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAQXi4gAj-U&t=20s

Seem like TZ 's Nyerere- Kwame NKrumah screwed your future with communism.

"Correct. Ondiro thank you. Ghanaians on this thread, please REMEMBER THAT KENYA HAS BEEN CAPITALIST SINCE DAY ONE. Jomo Kenyatta was not a Pan Africanist; sorry to burst some bubbles here; so the country's infrastructure and industrial development is far ahead of Ghana because they have never experienced a socialist time warp. Entrepreneurship and private business is in Kenya's DNA......Ghana has only been capitalist for 20 years "

Listen to this video - before looping - madman. The Ghanian income is probably inflated by minerals like you find in Nigeria - otherwise your country remain hopeless despite literally being named gold coast.

She has been in Ghana long enough to pass judgment on your infrastructure, real estate, education, brain drain - and she is absolutely correct

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAQXi4gAj-U

Just30:
Too bad Ghana is not hopeless hence why they all return after their education....

Funny enough, Ghanaian earn more money and make more money than the average kenyan...

Hence why Ghanaians have better quality and standard of living than kenyans...

Maybe one day you guys will catch up and live as good as Ghanaians but that day is not now...

No they are not going for further education; they know Ghana is so hopeless; the only way to make in live is to leave their loved ones in Ghana and go abroad; this is so indoctrinated that 55 percent of kids think it's way of life.

Fix your country - using the gold and other minerals - and maybe in the future - Ghanians will feel they do not need to go abroad.

This kenya girl was in Ghana and she was suprised. And the reason is Ghana is hopeless - low salaries - in Kenya you can make as much in kenya as money abroad - and get as good education

Listen from 5 mins; Where she talks about brain drain in your hopeless country; listen to her on education standards; and she pretty compressed all our arguments in that short video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAQXi4gAj-U

Just30:
No Ghanaian kid will reject the opportunity to go to Europe or the US for further education....

Thats to tell you how highly educated, Ghanaians are..

The interesting thing is, 90% of them choose to come back..

Down in GOLD COAST - still a dream to run away

Report: 55% of Ghanaian children plan on leaving the country in the future https:///3j1cszR

THe ZOO! has no future
10M children are out of school in #Nigeria, an increased of 3M from last year. That is more than the entire populations of 24 African countries. The children are roaming the streets washing car windows instead of getting educated. #AfricaTransformation

The Zoo

Our 2020 Budget Implementation Analysis is out!

Debt servicing wiped off 97% (N3.34tn) of FG's total revenue(N3.42tn) in 2020.

Total expenditure stood at N10.01tn. This means nearly all FG’s salaries, overhead & CAPEX were financed with loans & CBN support

South Africa’s income distribution is the most skewed in the world. Top 10% capture 50.5% & bottom 40% get 7.2% of the national income. Add a racial dimension & it’s a combustible mixture that needs South Africa’s highest nationalist commitment to solve. But what is the solution?

The Zoo

“Nigeria is faced with an unprecedented wave of different but overlapping security crises - from kidnapping to extremist insurgencies - almost every corner of the country has been hit by violence and crime.” - BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-57860993

Jihadist - now pretty much all over Northern Nigeria

According to the UN, by the end of 2020, conflict with the group had led to the deaths of almost 350,000 people and forced millions from their homes.

Boko Haram launches deadly raids, in some cases hoisting its flag and imposing extremist rule on local people. It levies taxes on farms and the sale of agricultural products. The once booming international fish market in the Chad Basin is now completely controlled by the group.

And you can imagine he is the brighest spark in the box.The rest can barely string a coherent sentence together. The West Africa education standards are truly appalling.

NTSA:
Seems you have comprehension issues let me make it clearer.if you re-read my post this is what I have been saying.
Kdf rarely get any operational deployement Inside kenyan territory .The last operational deployment in Northern Kenya was during shifta war (1960s and 70s .)
As of now there has not been any kdf operation in Northern Kenya .fyi (Lamu is not in Northern Kenya.The lamu archipelago is a group islands along the Kenyan coast near the border with Somalia.)
The lamu operation was in 2014 code named operation" Linda Boni."Which was a multi agency operation not a KDF operation.

Utter nonsense. So you think Arabs arrived in Mombasa and east coast to find "no people". It found people like Portueguse did in Nigeria - found Africans fishing, farming and doing their things. In Mombasa they entered into alliance with local tribes - and could never dare get into hinterland of Kenya until the British did 20th century - in West Africa - they made you slaves - and exported millions of your people to South and North America.

When it come to doing stuff - please you're JOKE - you cannot even use OIL to get yourself out of morass. You are 2nd to DRC - with 20 trillion of minerals deposit - and YET YOURE WORLD POVERTY CAPITAL - practically nothing works in your country

What do you think Arabs or British brought to kenya? Did they bring gold or oil? They brought nothing and they left us with nothing - what kenyans have achieved is through the sweat of brows and their brains of course.

British left NIgeria with OIL - and all you needed was to manage - but like PURE BONOBOS - you have made every black man the scourge of humanity - from slavery - to now - nigerians are laughing stock of the world - with oil and natural resources - and still begging, selling drugs and sweeping streets abroad if not dying in Sahara and the italian coast.

obaaderemi:
You are desperate. Lagos was founded by locals. Its name is Eko, a Bini word. The Portuguese came hundreds of years later.
Mombasa belongs to Arabs and Nairobi was founded by the British. Its impossible for native Kenyans to found anything of note. We established that long ago. From your companies to your cities.

2019 - Mombasa was 1.4M - I believe in 2020 - it rose to 1.5M TEUS.
I said Safaricom revenues are approaching 3B - last I checked it was 2.6B- which you can round off to 3B - as we are projecting here.

obaaderemi:
Combined teus for Lagos ports is 1.48 m teus in 2020, Mombasa port was 1.4 teus from same period.
Show us link to prove safaricom made a revenue of $3bn last year as you claimed. Thank you.

Lagos founded by Portuguese complete with the name. Why not rename it?
Mombasa was founded by Arabs and Locals - who intermarried and created a new tribe - Swahili

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y73LiBpScDE

obaaderemi:
Mombasa, founded by Arabs. Mtcheeew.

Mombasa old town is 10th century old - older than anything in Nigeria or entire West Africa. That drawing of Mombasa old town in 1572.

Vlain:
Liar she never said that. Dynamic Mombasa looks like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skHUmRqebPw

2014 - Kenya was no 12 in Africa - GDP wise - it had per capita less than 1000 dollars.
Fast forward 2021 - Kenya is now at cusp of overtaking Morocco to become the 5th biggest economy in Africa.
Kenya development and progress is solid, diversified and sustainable.
The reason is obvious - it's BASED ON ZERO NATURAL Resources. It well diversified. Investment in HCI is finally starting to pay off.
Look at this video of Malindi - it empty - Tourism sector the last 2yrs is nearly zero - and yet kenya economy is humming along.
Go sector by sector - and you'll see kenya companies - making huge progress.
Safaricom is now worth more than any Nigerian company - including Dangote. Safaricom is now worth 15-17B dollars - revenues approaching 3B dollars - and profit approaching 1B dollars soon.
Equity Bank(Group) is now worth nearly 11B dollars in total assets - KCB is approaching 10B dollars - COOP 6B dollars with NCBA - total banking asset now 50B dollars (Nigeria merely at 100-110B).
Gov revenues - have more than doubled in 7 yrs - in 2013 - gov taxes annually were 7B dollars - now it approaching 17 billion - ordinary taxes alone. The projection is to hit 25B dollars in 3yrs.
Nairobi city expansion is visible to the naked eye - everywhere is a construction site - and Nairobi has risen to be named 4th most dynamic city in world. Other kenyan towns and cities are seeing similar expnasion.
Infrastructure wise - Mombasa port is handling 1.5M TEUS (more than combined Lagos) - and is now Africa most efficient port beating likes of Durban - as cargo arrives and is transported to Nairobi or elsewhere within 24hrs. That kind of efficiency is seen in many other sectors - and again as per WB Ease of Doing Business - I bet it overtaken Morocco - to be behind super efficient Rwanda and Mauritus.
SGR is done and operational - trasporting more than 5M metric tonnes annually - and road construction is highest ever - with most rural roads in kenya now paved.
Kenya has world fastest electrification - in 2014 - Kenya Power had 2M customers - now it's 8.2M customers - adding 0.6M almost annually - meaning in about 3-4yrs kenya will achieve Universal Electricity Access (only about 3-4 million households to go) - and still stable high quality RENEWABLE electricity

Kenya has highest HCI in Africa - meaning very high quality of education, great health care and related social services. Kenya has nailed demographics and is just 5yrs from demographic divided as it transition to less dependant population.In preparation to next phase - industralization - kenya TIVET (vocational college) enrollment has ratched up to nearly 400-500k students from low base of 100k.

Wait for rebasing - but definitely kenya economy is not growing at 6 percent - it's more than 10 percent

Nothing will bring down kenya well diversified and sustaniable growth - maybe a civil war.

Kenya is about 5yrs from an accelerated growth period to become a proper middle class industralized country - we just need to nail a few more constraints - but definitely we are nearly there.

Tourism is down but nobody even feels it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHHuTYhTICg&t=549s

obaaderemi:
How can I be angry when Kenya GDP was $80bn? I actually laughed. I am still laughing if you have to rebase your economy to achieve $120b .
Everyone knows Kenya GDP is inflated when your economy keeps growing with job losses and rising unemployment.

You've been basing your happiness on projections for years here- Kenya will overtake Morocco, Kenya will overtake Algeria, Kenya's banks will overtake Nigerian banks, etc.
None of that has happened up to now and will never happen in your lifetime. Kenya is broke, my boy.

I think Mpape slum sit next to Maitima and the disused quary that is now a tourist attraction

Kuruptnigga:
Oga you don't know what you're saying. You're basically mad I based in Abuja, Gwarinpa precisely. and you can't tell me anything about Abuja. Mpape is the outskirts of Abuja. Do you know Maitama. That's where most of the politicians, foreigners etc lives. Kibera hosted the world's largest slums. You must be a mad man.

Only a slowpoke can compare Mombasa with Abuja - or Nairobi with Lagos. They are like day and night.

Shma2020:
City ranges from waterbodies to land. Nature is also part of city.

Lemme give you a glimpse of what I'm talking about.

First with your level of education or lack of it - you'd not understand. The lady says the houses in Maitima and big houses are mostly empty. This Sani Abacha Potemkin village - that created at huge expense - a city for civil servants - that has failed to become a dynamic city - everyone else in Abuja has to do with slums.

Vlain:
Listened didn’t hear shiit about any Potemkin rantings