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What I can tell you is the glorious story of Africa smallholder farming that not only overtook big farms in Kenya (South Africans cannot comprehend this) but has overtaken the world.

Check smallholder tea production in kenya in 1963.

And compare with NOW. It's staggering!

And with that we have some of the most developed rural places.

I know for most of these bozos they cannot imagine a rural place so developed.

kikuyu1:
You AGAIN! Genius, I'm a tea farmer-enlighten me rvp2018, who also knows the biz how we're being raped. While you're at it tell me about the looted foreign aid.

You should see a psychiatrist.

theenchanter:
u should see a psychologist fast..... This is getting out of hand.

UN is not in that business.

vaxx:
UN to Announce New State Carved out of Nigeria, Cameroon by July 10. Interesting

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Does "Foreign Affairs" register anything in your oblongata medulla.

theenchanter:
why is this galago crying?

You're world leading minner of money - and you look so shitty. I mean countries like those Arabs mines OIL - oil is like coal - dirty shitty crap.

GOLD GOLD. You have overtaken South Africa. Gold and DIamond are like GOLD STANDARDS. That straight up is MONEY.

Is there anything in Ghana right now that look like gold. Nothing. Your country is shitty - you have to open two accounts to like you own posts.

Kenya is nothing. It has no minerals. no rain. no nothing. But your own president raise Nairobi of 80s as your 2050 vision.

You guys are BEYOND THE PALE. No wonder the slaves your exported are hopeless.

You're worst than Nigeria. Every Nigerian who has to be Ghana knows it. Ghana is worse than the Zoo...we need a new definition of the real bottom...even the rats don't sink that low.

Just30:
See the groups of dumb dumb who think royalties is the only taxes on mining

you guys are funny.

7% royalties are collected for communities before all the other taxes.

I come from tea growing zone. I am a tea farmer - i have planted and inherited tea farms. Explain to me how tea and flower industries have exploited kenya.

obaaderemi:
Lack of mineral wealth has not --in any way-- excluded Kenya, your country, from the ravages of the looting machine.
Big corporations have been raping your land for long and you don't seem to care. Look at your tea and flower industries for example. Look at your looted foreign aid,

What kind of nonsense is this - trying to promote pidgin English? How about you compose say a song or poem ?

theenchanter:
if only u could channel half d energy u use in disparaging others for national development, ur nation would have one more reason to develop. But NO, u scour d internet for demeaning articles like a newly recruited wizard.

You just need to see how shitty looking Ghana is...I mean South Africa did very bad and they look decent.so decent it is role model...but Ghana...another Nigeria..big zoo!. You see them struggling with kenya - Kenya that HAS NOTHING.

kikuyu1:
Confirmed! Ghana is just a mini Naij in the making. The resource route won't get them out of poverty. Even without Chinese games the royalties combined with electrical subsidies mean they EARN A PITTANCE!



A very good book I'm currently reading. The author, a journo suffered a nervous breakdown MMIA Lagos on departure, a result of PTSD witnessing the hundreds of Jos killings earlier in the year.
As a form of therapy be decided to go deeper into the usual corruption ills resulting in a very good book, a compulsory read for ALL LITERATE AFRICANS.
You really shouldn't laugh at our tea, avocado and macadamia. While a fraction of oil and gold the economic multiplier effects are way better than minerals reserved for the rent seekers.

Kenya has 47 counties that are more or less like Nigeria states.

Danielnino00:
So many people fail to understand this ..
The federal budget is mostly used for federal government owned institutions...
The states have their own...
But yes,it's still low compared to South Africa's but definitely bigger than Kenya's..

Most states and LCA of Nigeria basically depend entirely on Oil allocations. My calculation came to around 40B dollars.

Most countries have similar arrangement. Kenys still have counties. And those counties still have Municipals with their own budgets.

pacretus:
All countries you listed are Republics, Nigeria practice federal system, national budget is for the federal govt,each state is semi autonomous with their state executives, judiciary and legislators all the way to local govt, with an equivalent of the 3 arms of Govts.
States have their budget different from what The FG allocates.

Still low compared to Southafrica

It's a paper giant. The whole giant thing is concocted by Yemi Kale their Statistician-General.

Jonraid:
Giant of Africa my foot!

Maybe when you're looking at HDI kind of metrics - human development - but if you're looking at countries or cities with most advanced or developed physical and other such metrics - QOL is important but not very important.

The most developed cities is definitely not Lusaka or Widhoek or Maseru.

jln115:
ranked based on quality of living which is directly correlated to development

Development and Development Per Capita. The US is the biggest economy but Qatar is biggest economy per capita. So in Africa we can say Joburg, Cairo,Capetown, Lagos, Nairobi and Luanda are most developed. But in terms of say development per capita then smaller cities like Widhoek, Port Louis wins.

jln115:
you are confusing development with infastructure..... Development is more than just pure infastructure like buildings and skyscrapers.... Its everything from healthcare, education, housing, Internet connectivity, power supply, sewage ect ect.

From a far Lagos looks very well developed by African standards however how many people have access to power or sewage in Lagos? How many have access to Internet? Access to proper transport?access to education?

Smaller cities like Auckland can be just as or even more developed than cities like NY without having the large flashy buildings, since a larger % of its citizens have more and better quality access to the things mentioned above.

He used mercer and picked southern africa cities - he is never okay - could also be on drugs like KaziKazi. Actually KaziKazi are supplying drugs in South Africa together with Nigerians.

kevomtaani:
I thought you were bringing some elaborate report or say you've visited this places but instead you are choosing mercer that ranks cities based on livability are you okay? the same mercer that has said kigali is the most livable city in Africa twice in a row, by your logic we should conclude it to be the most developed city in Africa right..

Very good. Africa need such kind of housing schemes to fill huge housing void - that is slums.

vaxx:
Sagelemi housing project to return back to shape.


5000 housing unit




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQIoCFI4GCs

When I type on google - the most developed cities - I get this

We examine the top ten smart cities from across the world, according to the IESE Cities in Motion Index.
New York City. For the second year in a row, New York City topped the leaderboard as one of the most developed smart cities in the world.
London. ...
Paris. ...
Tokyo. ...
Reykjavik. ...
Singapore. ...
Seoul. ...
Toronto. ...

If you check their methodology

Year after year, the top position in the ranking seems to be disputed by London and New York, [b]two highly developed and smart cities. [/b]After three consecutive years with New York at the top place, London has taken back the first position, followed by New York (#2) and Amsterdam (#3). The rest of the top 10 cities in the overall ranking are Paris (#4), Reykjavik (#5), Tokyo (#6), Singapore (#7), Copenhagen (#, Berlin (#9) and Vienna (#10).

Look like Lagos is closer to Mombasa than Nairobi in terms of tall buildings..not just skyscrapers -

samorobo:
Haven't I told you to stop peddling old google images of Lagos in the 90's...

This images below are still quite old but they can help debunk your stupidity
..
The second pics offer a close up shot of what those buildings really look like..

Development is to develop - and nothing beats physical development - so we start from there - and definitely likes of Newyork, London, Tokyo,Beijing and Paris come into mind as top 5 for me. In Africa we are talking Joburg, Cairo, Nairobi, Capetown and Lagos as the top 5.

But if you're looking for nice little towns then you start looking at the Widhoeks.

So the most developed - has to start with most structures (skyscrapers, buildings), infrastructure (rails, metros, trams), etc etc

jln115:
it tracks quality of life.....

Also what make Tokyo and New York more developed tgan say Auckland in New Zealand?? Is because simply they are bigger and have more skyscrapers?

Tell me what is development according to you?

More the most livable city.

jln115:
Quality of life is directly attributed to development... For exp education, transport, sewage, power supply, housing and infastructure these are the parameters Mercer uses to calculate the quality of life of each city

Mercer tracks the most livable city - not the most developed. The most developed would like of Newyork, Tokyo etc.

jln115:
Power supply, transport, Internet connectivity, education, sewage ect ect...

P. S my list was compiled by experts and not by me.... Don't shoot the messenger

I am not aware of a Mercer ranking of the most developed city. Mercer rank quality of life in major cities.

jln115:
the list above was compiled not by me but by experts from Mercer

Actually there is not much tourism in Nigeria - just diaspora returnees. Which tourist would go to Nigeria? I doubt it's even marketed in any tour agency in the world. The tourist you'll see are ex-pat community in Nigeria working for mostly for embassies and oil industry.

kevomtaani:
You do realize that Nigeria has Africa's largest diaspora? some are even.second and third generation in their countries of birth. This is what has contributed to Nigerian tourism. When you land at Murtala you can be sure 80% of the people will be Nigerians or descendants of Nigerians. This is a huge advantage to you. Plus also the remittance they bring is crazy amounts. But when it comes to hospitality in General? Nigeria is at the bottom of the barrel even in west Africa.

Yes but so does Kigali and the likes of Windhoek, Gaberone. I'd put those in 3rd tier - because they are smaller cities - with about 1m or less people. Accra would be in the 2nd tier with Kampalas, Lusakas, and many such cities. The 3rd tier would like led by likes of Windhoek, Gaberone, Kigali, etc.

kevomtaani:
Yes that's true but it would top that list.
However Accra has some aspects that are better than most cities I'm talking about social and safety this are very important in city rankings.

Accra belongs to the 2nd or even 3rd tier of Africa cities - Mombasa, Abuja, Lusaka, that kind.

kevomtaani:
Anybody who doesn't agree with you is "ranting" fyi all these cities in Africa are ahead of Accra.

Addis Ababa
Abidjan
Lagos
Dar es salaam
Nairobi
Luanda
and all southern African countries capitals excluding Malawi.

For the most developed cities in Africa - definitely add Cairo and Lagos. If development doesn't just mean infrastructure - but housing and size. So for me the most developed Johannesburg, Cairo, Capetown, Nairobi, Lagos, Luanda, Adis Ababa, Dar, Durban and finally no 10 - maybe Abdjian or Pretoria or Casablanca or Harare or many Maghreb cities including Alexandria.

kevomtaani:
I would remove Pretoria, Gaborone, Windhoek, port Louis and lusaka.
I would add Nairobi, Dar, Luanda,Addis and Abidjan.
Kigali would get an honorable mention.

Picture test you failed. Video test epic failure.

The last we heard - pictures or videos are edited bla bla.

There is no way Nairobi and Mombasa can compete with any of Nigeria slumpolis. Lagos sees dust when compared to Nairobi. Abuja is just a useless gov city - can never compete with Mombasa in nearly all parameters except maybe road and idle rail. Actually, on rail - Mombasa is better.

samorobo:
Oh pls don't even go There...
Don't even get me started on Mombasa or even that Nairobi.. remember we have visitors in our midst..I don't want bro disgrace your zoo any further..

Mombasa city has more than 1m people - the metro 3.5M. Mombasa beat Abuja the same Nairobi beat Lagos.

68816419:
hahahha the total size of the developed part of Mombasa is not even up to Utako to mention Gwarimpa,Wuse,Garki,Maitama,Asokoro.....
pics of Gwarimpa district pic( residential area) and %100 black occupancy rate
pic 3-4- Life camp

We cannot justify at our level of development building roads in the semi-arid and arid north. The majority of Kenyans are near a paved road. You have to understand how Kenya settlement looks like.

We also have places occupied by animals - Tsavo national park for example occupies anything 200kms square of land.

Danielnino00:
So the Turkanas don't deserve to enjoy the dividends of democracy,is that it ??

They are bush people ?

All kenya major roads are paved and WELL MAINTAINED. What remain unpaved are rural access roads. And those are regularly maintained.

Nigeria on theory has 60,000kms paved roads - but everyone knows most of it has completely BROKEN DOWN.

Roads are not something you pave and disappear.

You need budge to regularly - like annually maintain them - if not monthly.

Just30:
regularly travelling roads to dont make them paved kiddo.

they are dirt roads and is bad for transportation.

Why would we build roads in places that has very few people. Turkana are scattered in area bigger than Ghana I think - and they are less than 1 million. The Somalis the same.

Danielnino00:
It took the Kenyan government several decades before they started building roads in their northern region .

Meanwhile not much as changed there...the Turkanas are still starving ..

You need to build and MAINTAIN roads. Look at the Ghana road here - main link road - it's better if it was left as gravel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFbEqBZTCzE

I have seen paved roads in Ghana and Nigeria...I saw in Gold Video - that would be worse than gravel roads. Kenya roads including those are murram - are regularly maintained.

Just30:
You mean by pouring gravels and grading it for it to become levelled?

That is what we called unpaved roads here.