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You are afraid to watch the videos will show Nairobi is modern city that is better than anything even conjured up in all your renders.

I want you to watch these selected videos

Nairobi city center

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i54Wu3TxVas&t=29s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZRdqC4lhRM&t=53s

Nairobi Westland - Kilimani-Lavington Districts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3NIgWNh1Vs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QefIybvNsU&t=18s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdSFW5eBtxQ

And that is just small part of Nairobi.

Nairobi is overtaking Joburg to become the premier Africa city by 2030.

samorobo:
I am.nit watching anything..I watched thousands of video on your zoo and I do think feel.inspired..wgat make you think this one will be inspiring....

Stop measuring your two slumpolis with Abuja..know your place pls..

I know you're are honored by any mild comparison btw Abuja and Pretoria. But Abuja should aim for Mombasa. Nairobi is beating Joburg in 10- max 15yrs.

You should watch this video to see what African city can achieve.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3NIgWNh1Vs

samorobo:
You are making noise..we are long done with your zoo as I said...
We are competing with our peers..Aim Nigerian cities and then later you aim SA cities...

Stop distracting me from salient discussion..your are a zoo dweller..

The SANs must be really bored to compare Pretoria with Abuja or any Nigeria city. Nairobi is the closest that you have city that can measure to South Africa cities - and yet we are 10yrs from their current status.

And Nigeria cities should aim for Nairobi in next century

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3NIgWNh1Vs

samorobo:
Pls stop making noise...we are done with your zoo...

We are on something new which is our peer..

Nairobi middle-class estates of Kileleshwa, Lavington and kilimani. None of the west africa slumpolis are near here. Their Abuja gov city will get here in 22nd century.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3NIgWNh1Vs

Reduce weed intake. Accra will be at Nairobi level in next century.

vankelvin:
All Nairobi has above Accra is high-rise buildings and planning, that's it.
There is nothing that Nairobi has over Accra apart from those 2 things.
Entertainment
Sports facilities
Good roads
Educational facilities
Electricity
Water
Salary
Security/safety ETC?

That your Kampala bullsh*t will not wash.
If you like post pictures of Kampala make we see?

But we are already better than you. We are almost at universal primary to secondary transition. We are 99.5% - we want to use Ghana double track systems in slums and desert to get 100% - UNIVERSAL primary to secondary transition - mean every Kenyan kid will be getting 12yrs of education.

We are I think the best in Africa

vankelvin:
That's common sense you know?..
If 2000 Ghanaian Students were initially attending Senior high school,
now with the introduction of ''Free SHS system'', times-2 that number(4000) are attending SHS,
so its just common sense that there will be much pressure on the facilities hence the need for ''double track system'' in some of the schools.

One will ask, why have the numbers increased that much?, Because in the past the qualification for SHS was pegged at Aggregate 24, but now the new system allows for up-to aggregate 45 so those that will have been disqualified in the past are all allowed into SHS now.

However, the Government has fast-tracked the building and improvement of the SHS facilities so as we speak a lot of those schools that were running double track system are back to single track.

Kenya(East Africa) can never be better than West Africa.

First pic - is that Independence house - that is completely derelict.

jl115:
Random street views I took from Lagos CBD.......................And I tried my very best to get the best bits without the slums:

I saw it - and I am helping you understand. Accra is not even at the Kampala level. Nairobi and Kenya are the nearest competitor to South Africa - who are in another level in mall development.

Jamestown123:
I also sent the one in Kenya to you.

KnightandFrank - 2016 - old - Kampala is better than Accra. Nairobi has no peers outside South Africa (another league).

You don't understand these things. Malls are measured based on gross lettable space. For instance - Two Rivers has gross lettable space of 65,000 sqm but it's built on 11 acres. The entire Two Rivers Project sits on I think 100-200 acres.

West Hill Ghana - gross letable space is not even half of Two Rivers Mall -West Hills Mall (27,000 sq m)

Jamestown123:
Where is the largest market in West Africa located?

The West Hills Mall is located in Accra Ghana. It can be named the biggest market in West Africa. It covers almost 93,000 square meters

I am not sure if it simple fix or you need Abuja. Kenya cities require simple fixes - like building walkways, light rails, formalize transport systems, upgrade slums and bridge the housing deficit - but Nigeria slumpolis are not possible to fix because of the integrated slum. With the exception of Abuja the rest of the cities are so much integrated hodgepodge it cannot be easily fixed.

Abohboy:
Nigerians stop fighting with the South Africans, our cities are not better. FOR NOW, patriotism goes so far, before it becomes stupid pride, Nigeria has a long way to go before we can compare with South African cities. But by 2027 mark my words, Nigeria will be of the same standard, with urban regeneration projects ongoing in 10 different states it will be no time before we are equal.

Ghana ranks last - Not surprising considering the quality of Ghanian arguments here.

In West Africa, Ghana’s performance in the 2011 Trends in International Mathematics and Science
Study (TIMSS) for students in eight grade (second grade of lower secondary in Ghana) indicated low
skills level, ranking last in both math and science (Martin, Mullis, Foy, & Stanco, 2012; Mullis, Martin,
Foy, & Arora, 2012).

What they call malls - are market stalls - you find in Eastleigh or Nairobi stalls

Shma:
We once discussed with you about malls, I didn't realize you're not the kings in that sector.
Now after arguing with a Ghanaian on the same , he claimed that biggest malls in West Africa lie in Ghana..

After a thorough research, I found out they are merely shops like.
How comes they are the biggest in West,? Or do you guys don't have malls?

And yet you're still doing double-track education - because you lack school facilities.

vankelvin:
As for Free Education, don't go there.
Free Basic school education started in 2001 in Ghana whereas Free Senior high School started in 2015 for ''Day Students'', but universal Free education for both ''Day and Boarding'' Students started in 2017..

From Senior High to University Education Scholarships for Brilliant Students, and scholarships for Cocoa Farmers Children Started before Independence till date..

Your Class mates are in central Africa not West africa.

A Pregnant Ghanaian worries not, why? because all her Pregnancy bills are taken care off by the Government.
7--24/7 electricity supply is a birth-right not an option

6# Kenya too has free maternity cover for every woman since 2013.
purposeful efforts geared towards improving the lives of women over the years and more recently, in June of 2013, Kenya declared maternity services free of charge, in all public health institutions across the country, a move that makes access to quality maternal health

7# Kenya has 24/7 electricity. Blackouts make news.

3) Social welfare. I have seen it ranked with Senegal tops in Sub Sahara Africa

Increased coverage of cash transfers from 1.65 million in 2013 to 5 million people in 2019 (of which 2.3 million are women), exceeding the original target of 4.28 million.

Poor, hungry(Turkanas), disabled, orphaned,old and such kenya receive a monthly stipend via mobile money.

Any disabled person receive that money - they are also tax exempt - and can import anything duty free.

Any kenya who is 65yr or (maybe 70) is also entitled to monthly stipend and free medical cover.

Tanzanain are exporting so many disabled beggars because the usual disabled kenyans are sorted.

https://www.worldbank.org/en/results/2019/04/18/in-kenya-uplifting-the-poor-and-vulnerable-through-a-harmonized-national-safety-net-system
Kenya’s national safety net program significantly expanded the coverage of cash transfers from 299,000 to 1.2 million households —an estimated five million people are from vulnerable households of which around 2.3 million are female beneficiaries—through an increased budgetary financing (from around $80 million in 2013 to over $300 million in 2017) and strong service delivery systems.

That was just health care.

1) Education - we have universal free primary and secondary education. Primary education is totally free including books and equipment (parents and devolved funds responsible for school infrastructure though). Day secondary school totally free. Student who prefer to go for boarding- pay for boarding fees but tuition fees is paid by gov. We are now approaching 100% primary to secondary transition. Primary enrollment similar approaching 100%

University Students - Any student who gets C+ (entry-level grade) is sponsored by gov. Also, nearly all students include private ones are entitled to Higher Education Loans - this covers their small tuition and living expenses. The majority of university students pay zero to their universities.

Middle-Level college students (TIVET, Polythenic) - They also sponsored by gov. They are also entitled to Higher Education Loans. Most pay zero including for living expenses. This includes teacher, nurses and such training.


NYS was disbanded a long time ago as part of University - and is under youth program.

NYS recruit basically street kids and the very poor - and they get paid - are put in vocational training while serving the nation. Majority continue working in NYS for the rest of their lives.

vankelvin:
Healthcare out of how many benefits I listed for Ghana?

So free Healthcare is all you enjoy in your Poverty Country?
So sorry for you poor Kenyans

Kenya enjoys all that.

I wish you can throw in the number of beneficiaries for each of those program for comparison.

1) Health - Kenya.
1) The public hospital is nearly free - you pay a user fee that is about 1/2 a dollar. They are managed by County Gov. National hospitals by national gov. We have begun universal health care where user fee is zero.
2) Nobody likes going #1. We have the National Health Insurance Scheme (NHIF) - that last I checked had about 8M members and 30M beneficiaries.NHIF allows you to choose any hospital - private or otherwise - and covers everything including cancer treatments.
3) Middle class - have their own private cover by medical insurances.
4) Gov employees like teachers, police - in addition to having that free public care, NHIF cover also have medical insurance - that covers them all the way to India if they get sick.

My understanding is you have some National Health Insurance scheme that is like kenya NHIF - although yours is a baby. Kenya's NHIF has been operation since 1960s.

Kenya NHIF is a compulsory deduction for anybody employed - formal or informal - and also have voluntary scheme.

vankelvin:
Tell them What a Ghanaian enjoys that a Kenyan will never in his/her life enjoy.

As a Ghanaian, its my birth right to get
1--Free healthcare with my Health Insurance Card.
2--Teacher Trainees get an allowance of 200 Ghana cedis,
Final year Teacher Trainees,Nurse and Agriculture Trainee's receives 400 Ghana Cedis every month till completion.
3--National service Personnel are paid monthly allowance
4--Any Tertiary Student in Ghana is entitled to a Student loan which he/she will pay when working.
5--Poor and disabled Ghanaian's receives some allowances through the Leap Program monthly.
6--A Pregnant Ghanaian worries not, why? because all her Pregnancy bills are taken care off by the Government.
7--24/7 electricity supply is a birth-right not an option.
And many more.

So Kenyan's should be proud of some few High-rise buildings whereas their Politicians keep on squandering their Taxes
whereas the over 39 million Kenyan's wallows in poverty.
Quality living conditions over high-rise buildings and estates any day any time.

Precisely. There is barely any single one that is empty. The reason is because we have private sector. They have no formal market for anything - so even Lagos has housing glut lasting years. Ghana if you build 40-floor skyscrapers who will occupy it.

Abuja the entire city is occupied by gov offices and maybe embassies.

Where Nigeria seems to be getting right is maybe banking - after the reforms of 2005 - they seem to have finally created a respectable banking sector.

Obakillah:
I don't know why West Africans are this stupid. Kenya doesn't build apartments and skyscrapers, private enterprises and individuals do that and there motive is maximizing profit margins so they build high. The level of education in your countries is dismal and embarrassing. All this time you fools thought the government is building Kenya? Ret@rds!

We have done this

edon21:
kenyans am still waiting. Anyone? Bunch of cowards

Ghana is mini-nigeria. No iffs. No buts. Don't buy the make-believe data. Look at the pictures.

Obakillah:
Too bad they can't build malls where the money is, in the oil rigs at see. Another miniature Nigeria in the making.

If you look at Nairobi - and look at Accra - are they really COMPARABLE ON ANYTHING? Even Mombasa looks miles ahead of your biggest city

vankelvin:
Quality living is not about few high rise buildings with starving citizenry,
Is this what you are proud of as a Kenyan?

Maybe if we include underground houses built by rodents. What is visible is very small. Nairobi including it's metro is very huge. You have to travel 120kms from one end to other end...a radius of 60-80kms.

Just30:
in built up area, Nairobi is smaller than Accra.
Next joke please

Ghana is mainly black or informal market. It's indicative of lower-income. As people join middle class - they natural start to shop in supermarkets and malls - so Ghana has no middle class.

Obakillah:
All the malls in Nairobi are fully occupied with more under construction. Even Mombasa has more malls than Accra. The demand is too high hobbit. You continue shopping in dirty markets.

You can clearly see the two idle towers of Eko City - so those pictures are very recent. Lagos and Kinshahasa are mega slumpolis.

Shma:
as I told you earlier, distance don't matter , what you're trying to show us indirectly is isolated kibera slums,
And guess what nigga, Nairobi is a city full of skyscrapers and highrises development hence you'll automatically see them.
That doesn't mean our cbd is close to kibera.

On the other hand nigga, your city's ugliness is on another level.
I will call it slumbolish since I can see the presence of slums thatched in your main industrial area.
If your main cbd is a slum in nature what can you call ibadan.

World-leading gold producers that look very sh.itty. I think data cooking is a problem. Development is self-manifesting. You don't need data to know Morocco, Tunisia, Algeria, South Africa, Mauritius are doing well. It shows. You just naked eyes.

vankelvin:
Ghana cement consumption is not only in Accra.
The difference between Ghana and Kenya is,
Kenya builds some few high rise buildings/ estates here and there thinking that is development.
Ghana spreads development to all areas of the country especially Districts and villages.
You don't need to live in Accra and the other Cities to enjoy the best live can offer you.

Besides why build high rise buildings/estates when your citizens are eating stone as break-fast and supper?
At least every District in Ghana is self sufficient in many basic social amenities unlike many parts of Kenya
that people still live in the stone age days due to poverty.

Lol. Yes, coz that Accra looks a lot like Kisumu. Treat any stats from West Africa with a lot of suspicions.

gallivant:
Very underwhelming. When they talk about cement consumption, are they eating it?

Underwhelming.

vankelvin:
ACCRA CITY

Abuja the gov city has nothing on Mombasa on nearly all fronts except the size of gov offices and embassies.

popizaino:
So when you bombard the pages with hotels and housing estates does that also mean we don't have them as well?

Phase 2 and 3 of that Dongo Kundu road is already under construction. And so will Japanese 1B dollar Dongo Kundu Free Port and special economic zone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZ1kA4Mi1T4&t=34s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca5rLVwtvaY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ts4p-ExATAk

This not Mombasa port road - this Mombasa's Dongo Kundu by-pass. And you can see it's not just the road but railway - and airport - and port all next to each other - plus Oil refinery (moribund) and industries- so when you talk that Mombasa has no infrastructure we wonder what you mean.

samorobo:
Mombasa port road..
The best in Mombasa..

Highway? Like Mombasa city doesn't have highways

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fboeje7rv54

sherlock229:
Abuja, some lunatics are comparing Mombasa to this masterpiece . all of Kenya wish they can produce a quality city like this with good roads and no "traffic" hahahahahahah


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unDAig6zVKU