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5.6% is slow down from 6.1% last year. samorobo: |
Don't console yourself IMF bailout is what Greece went through. It basically mean you're about to default and spread your sickness to global financial system. IMF was formed for exactly that reason. World Bank is for development. IMF is to police bad boys like Ghana who cannot manage their finance - and so they arrive in Accra - and run your country until you sort your issues. What is IMF bailout? A bailout is a colloquial term for the provision of financial help to a corporation or country which otherwise would be on the brink of failure or bankruptcy. ... A bailout can, but does not necessarily, avoid an insolvency process. Just30: |
Debt-refinancing is use by many countries including US and China right now as you speak. US for example don't pay debt with cold hard cash - they mostly borrow more - or refinance or rollover debt. That leave you with revenues that you collected to be used to pay salaries, recurrent expenditure and spare some for some capital expenditure or development. samorobo: |
Let me summarize. IMF bailout are bad news. You should avoid it by managing your macro-economics better. Macro-economics - stable currency, low single digit inflation, low interest,etc Your electricity sector is worse than kenya - you sign even more lopsided 'take or pay' contracts with power producers - and you're losing 1B dollars in excess capacity annual. You consume 3000MW with whooping 2000MW idle. At least in Kenya we stopped in time - we now have idle 1000mw. Tanzania and Ethiopia are about to face the music - of excess capacity. Kenya we long turned the corner - we are nailing our challenges one by one - very soon Ghana will be back on their 18th IMF bailout as we become a middle class country. You country is one huge pendulum swinging wildly - one minute growing at 1% - next 8% - fix that - fix the macro-economics - and maybe mayabe you can be taken seriously. vaxx2: |
Imagine it was something like 0.8 cedis to a dollar in 2008 after they got tired with zeros - and changed their currency to match the dollar Now about 10yrs later - that 0.8 has turned to 5.5 cedis to a dollar. Annual depreciation of 50%. If you were to make a mistake and keep your bank deposit in CEDIS and needed to convert to dollar - every year you'd lose 50% of it. mtisTheQubit: |
When you have a well-diversified economy - one or two sector can go down - without affecting the overall health of the economy. That is kenya for you. We can sometimes have tourist going down due to terrorism - or drought making our agricultural production reduce - but rest of the economy hold it up. Now for you - Oil price come down 10 dollars - and you're gone straight to ICU. samorobo: |
Make belief from a country that have been under bailout for 16 times - out of 60 yrs it has been independent . That is roughly bail out every 3 yrs. As soon as you're done with one IMF bailout - you're immediately admitted to another. Truly the sick man of Africa - no wonder Nigerian laugh when they hear Ghana . The symptoms are usual the same - currency depreciating so badly, debt repayments become impossible, import become expensive and inflation rises, Interest rate shoot through the roof etc - and IMF send an ambulance down Accra to try to resuscitate Ghana once again. Must be the best job to do in Breton hood, Washington Dc. The problem I think is foundation that Kwame planted in Ghana...Communism. As regard Kenya - we import about 18-20B - about 1-2B is food - please do some research. Kenya economic fundamentals have not changed much - for 30yrs we have had underlying inflation around 5% - we have had very stable currency - we have had generally low interest compared to SSA average - we have had robust debt management. That is why Kenya is Africa largest non-mineral economy - and quite advanced - outside SA in SSA. vaxx2: |
Nigeria spend 70% of budget repaying debts. Typical country budget is 30% salary & pension; 20% recurrent expenditure: 20-30% to repay debt: and remainder 10-20% for development. Now if you already spend 70% to repay debt...what will you pay salaries or pension with? Tanzania follows with 50%. Kenya is at comfortable recommended 30%. samorobo: |
The more I research Ghana the more I am perturbed. "For the 16th time since the 1960s, Ghana is wrapping up a financial bailout from the International Monetary Fund and stepping away from the lender’s oversight. Now, it’s up to one of Africa’s perennial overspenders to show that it can stick to a budget." Now you talk about Kenya. Kenya economy has grown to 100B dollars - with on average 6% growth - with all macro-economic very very stable. Our SGR is firing on all cylinders....check the numbers again. It was built in record 3yrs and in 2nd year of operation it's nearly breaking eve. Well anyway it rich coming from Ghanian to teach us economic when for 16th Times IMF Has had to Bail out. Is it because you began with Kwame Nkurmah as communist experiment gone wrong? You've reached your free article limit. Try 3 months for Just30: |
The more we debate - the more I realize just how light weight you're in these stuff. Let stick to facts - not our wishes like Kenya will become GREECE. Facts as of today. 1) Ghana is still under IMF BAIL OUT PROGRAMME. 2)This is GHANA 16th IMF BAIL OUT PROGRAMME. You're only independent in paper. 3) CEDIS is annually deteriorating. Next year you can bet 6 CEDIS to a dollar. 4) Don't talk about debt management when you ran still under IMF BAIL OUT. In short the more we examine Ghana - the more we realize the rosy story is actually fake. Just30: |
CEDIS will not be appreciating anytime soon - it has depreciated what 5000% since 2008. That right there is crazy. Kenya has deprecated by around 70 to 100shs in the same period...about 30%. CEDIS is on a free-fall - no amount of denial - will help it. It didn't help previously until you got tired of the ZEROS.... and decided to peg it to a dollar...now the zeros are getting added back. Free -floating currency doesn't mean it depreciate that serious. USD versus British Pound or Euro plays within a very small margin. Just30: |
Historical because Cedis has bad history as far exchanging with dollar. So importers, foreign companies and even regular Ghanians do not trust it. Just admit. You import more of what? In Kenya we import mostly machinery, oil, equipment, cars - not Chinese trinkets - because we manufacture a lot of stuff internally. TZ and Uganda export very bad quality food - of very little value to us - most Kenyans long abandoned maize, beans, cassava - and such for highly yielding horticultural, fruits, nuts, and dairy. None of what you're predicting has ever happened to kenya or is about to happen. Turkey was sunk by the US of A. Our debt servicing ratio has always hovered around 30%. In short Kenya macro-economics have always been STRONG. vaxx2: |
I think you confused debt to GDP with servicing ratio ; hardly surprising considering you're functionally illiterate graduate of Nigeria dysfunctional education. samorobo: |
CBK doesn't create USD. They create LOCAL money. USD is created by US's FED . If Central Bank of Ghana had a way - they would have created USD - to keep CEDIS from falling like a thud. Just30: |
Where is evidence that we borrow USD to defend Kshs position? Kenya economy is well diversified and sophisticated for it's level. Our source of Forex goes beyond selling oil or aluminium or waiting for remittance from relative abroad like your primitive underdeveloped economy in Accra Ghana. We have so many source of forex - and that is what make Kshs very strong. For example - UN offices in Nairobi - probably contribute 1B dollars. NGOs HQed in Nairobi and working all over East Africa probably bring another 1B dollars - Oxfam for example Global HQ is now in Nairobi. Tourist bring about 2B dollars. So that 11B trade deficit is alreay nearly half-plugged. Remittance bring in another 3B. Now before factor kenya very strong private sector running the show as down as South Africa, as far east as Congo and north as Sudan...all bring in forex. Before you factor capital flight from the entire region - who see Nairobi very developed financial market - and very open forex market - before you add Nairobi Stock exchange - and before you add all many FDIS - most of them through private equity funds. In short debt is not source of forex - because we borrow as much as we repay. Zero sum game. CEDIS problem is simple - forex leave as soon as it get to Ghana because nobody can trust such a fickle currency. Just30: |
Nigeria is worse than Ghana. You're already eye-balled with debt - servicing is taking 70% of your budget - leaving nothing for recurrent expenditure or capital development. That is why your federal road agency was allocated 40M dollars for a whole year. We are on top of our debt management. We always alternate btw debt leveraging and debt re-financing. But we have never called IMF to bail us or defaulted on our debt obligations. I am not even sure if Ghana has existed the emergency ward of IMF so be careful - there might be no bed big enough for Nigeria in IMF. samorobo: |
How can inflation be capped I think economics is not your strongest point. Kenya has not had any serious problem like Ghana. You're just barely out of IMF emergency programme. because you were defaulting on your debt obligation. You are re-basing aggressively as credit agencies and euro-bond interest hammer you.We spend about 30% of our budget to re-pay debt and we borrow about 30%. It called debt re-financing. Once our revenues grow - we will start debt leveraging - borrowing more than we repay. It's not even 3yrs when IMF came to bail you out - because despite the so called 8% fake growth rate - your fundamentals are a mess. At least everyone can see Ethiopia growth is real. Yours - outside - Oil & Minning - IS NON-EXISTENT. Just30: |
How can a currency that is annually on a free-fall be called stable and predictable. Don't believe your own propaganda. You have negative feedback loop that is killing the CEDIS. Just30: |
You can fake something for 30yrs. Kenya has never been bankrupt. About 10yrs you were so bankrupt - you had all debts - forgiven by Paris Club - and now you're heading straight into another bankruptcy. And we cannot fake pictures and videos of Kenya. samorobo: |
Now you're about to admit the problem. The problem is historical - the way I see - it the lack of confidence in CEDIS - and you gov is doing such a bad job. Kenya strong Kshs against deteriorating regional currencies (UG & TZ) - is making our manufacturer goods expensive (although when it come to quality -they cannot hack it - Kenya goods are still seen as of better quality) - but we export lot more services than even manufactured goods - so we are fine - and still run East Africa trade. But because we still import a lot of capital goods from likes of India, Saudi Arabia(Oil), China, Japan (cars, machinery, equipment) - and because we value currency STABILITY - our central bank does a clean job defending Kshs in an open market. vaxx2: |
1) It's not structural because you have positive Trade balance. You export more than your import. You have trade surplus. You also have 8B dollars from remittances. So on face value - you're doing well - but CEDIS isn't. 2) I think the problem is more confidence thing - you demonetization failed because Ghanian have really bad memories of Cedis during hyper-inflation - so nobody trust Ghanian Cedis. 3) Kenya has been free-floating kshs since 93, we have no forex controls and CBK don't borrow any money. They buy and sell forexs like any market player. 4) The strength of Kshs is not a mystery - it's because Kenya esp Nairobi attract a lot of forex - because we are financial capital - we have many NGOS, UN and MNCS bring lots of forex - we have tourist bring forex - we have lot of capital flight from region (Tanzania, Somali, etc ) ending in Nairobi. Heck we have people as far as UK, US, Nigeria coming to buy kenya real estates. 5) We are now mostly debt re-financing. We borrow 6B dollars - about 3B dollars externally - and 3B dollar internally. And we repay 6B dollars - about 3B dollars internally and 3b dollars externally. So forex from debt is NOT NOT responsible for strength of Kshs - we pay back as much dollars as we borrow. Just30: |
Facts are stubborn. Nearly 1/3 of money in Ghana is banked in dollars. It doesn't by who - but foreign-currency denominated account are huge. I wish you an inject some confidence to CEDIS - otherwise it's on a serious free-fall - and before soon you'll be in yet another DEMONETIZATION ![]() This time peg your CEDIS in Kshs - and let Central Bank of Kenya help manage your CEDIS. Just30: |
Central Bank of kenya do not have any borrowed money. Treasury is the one that borrows and use the money. Central bank of kenya buys and sells forex like any market player - and they come to market to buy or sell - so they can keep Kshs stable.Commercial banks are also key forex players. When fundamentals are against Kshs - no amount of CBK defending Kshs can help - so for instance Kshs once depreciated to 107shs to a dollar. Just30: |
Kshs has been free floating for as long as I can remember (I think 1993). IMF last year disagreed and classified it managed because they cannot figure out just how strong and defiant Kshs has been. CBK intervene as market player. We don't have Nigeria kind of 3 exchange rates. We don't have black market for dollars. You can buy and sell as many dollars as you want anytime. And you can take them out of Kenya anyday. But nobody does that because our fundamentals are so strong. Just30: |
You know the stats you buddy are quoting are very shocking. Inflation of 15% down to 7.5% for example is only possible in a country that is in economic mess. Not a country that is growing at such rate. Kenya inflation rate has always been under 5%. For all the time I can recall Kenya inflation has always been single digit. Nowadays it as low as 4%. The accusation that Kshs is artificially pegged to dollar has no basis - Kshs for last 30yrs has been 63- 78 -85 -100 to the dollar. We cannot possibly sustain to keep Kshs for that long without the fundamentals. In our 50yrs of independence - we have only had one serious hyper-inflation last 2-3yrs - we had Kshs drop from 20shs to 60shs in 1992/1993 - after our central bank was looted/donor funding withdrawn - in the run up to the first real multiparty election. Just30: |
Capping was populist move by parliament to reign on the banks who had refused to be self-regualte - although it was not as bad as I have seen in Ghana and Nigeria. We are a modern democracy - and Judiciary said no - that is Central Bank job. As you speak interest capping is gone. It was only there for 3yrs (2016-2019). When it come to purchasing power - I don't what exactly that mean - you see we have huge trade deficit - meaning we import more than we export - so a strong Shilling works for us - purchasing power wise - and of course it also helps when we have to repay debts. Now Ghana you have positive trade deficit - so I don't even know why your president think you're importing more than you should - and but what is hammering you is not a WEAK CEDIS - it's a UNSTABLE RAPIDLY DETERIORATING CEDIS. Nobody can trust such a currency - leading to capital flight. vaxx2: |
Why do you guys lie when the data is our there. Most Ghanians are now keep their money in foreign currency. Foreign investors repartraite their money as soon as possible leading to capital flight. This is loop that feed itself and CEDIS continues to fall. Evidence 1:Bank of Ghana captured this in the Banking Sector Report for September 2019 it published. The report shows that the domestic currency component of deposits recorded a slower growth of 9.1 percent to GH¢54.8 billion in August 2019, 20 percentage points lower than the previous year’s growth; whereas, foreign currency deposits grew by 21.2 percent to record GH¢21.2 billion during the review period compared to a growth of 18.6 percent in the previous year. Just30: |
Nano think it's structural and stuff like 1D1F will help. I disagree. It's not structural - otherwise kenya with Africa highest trade deficit (11B dollars) would be crying too. It's failure of of Ghana Central Banker to manage & instill confidence on the CEDIS - and stamp on dollarization of the economy. Once people lose faith in a currency - it's a free-fall - because individuals will trade or save in USD - while foreign investors will convert CEDIS to USD ASAP and send it back home to preserve value. "We live in a country where we are overly dependent on the importation of things for our daily sustenance. Things we can produce, we continue to export them.And at the same time, we don’t generate enough export,” he said and stressed the need for public discourse to focus on addressing how the country could reduce import." |
Nope. Free floating currency when economic fundamentals are solid don't go on free fall - they can depreciate or appreciate in low margins. Your macro-economics are a mess - inflation, interest rates, and the 'fake' economic growth doesn't seem to help at all - the CEDIS. Kenya is essentially free-floating currency (IMF last year disagreed and say it was managed) - but CBK does market intervention once in and a while - and it's not like our CBK manufacture USD. And there are no forex controls in Kenya. Just30: |
vaxx2:You cannot sustain currency artificially for that long - if CBK was cooking our Kshs-USD it would have began a free fall like Ghanian one which you tried to peg 1:1 to dollar in 2008 after hyperinflation of 80s and 90s. Now the Cedis is heading 5.5 - by next year 6 - and the free-fall continues. Our CBK only intervene to ensure stability. Now I don't even comprehend what he'll going on in your economy.. because with currency free fall like that..no foreign investor can keep the cedis..they convert to the dollar and send it home..huge capital flight ASAP. Ghanaians themselves are preferring to open USD account and keep their money in foreign currency. You seem you export lots of minerals and have huge remittance but your macro economic are just shitty. Youre barely doing 4.5 months of forex reserve.Currency on free-fall. Inflation at double digit. Interest rates worst than Nigeria. Kenya commercial interest rate capping was enacted parliament against executive wishes - and our judiciary ruled it unconstitutional for interfering with central bank mandate - and that now is history. I don't expect interest rate to rise from 13% by much - the max for risk borrowers will be 16%. |
Yeap nobody wants to hold onto a currency not any different from Zim dollars https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pulse.com.gh/bi/finance/bank-of-ghana-report-predicts-more-cedi-depreciation-as-depositors-switch-to-open/egf7v71.amp |
vaxx2:My friend your currency is so useless most Ghanian prefer to keep the dollar.I mean something that loses value in such scale is very shocking.Even the Naira is not that bad.And this is historical problems you cannot seem to solve.Initially cedis had become so useless you started pegging to the dollar..it hasn't helped at all because now 5 cedis is equal to a dollar.Ksh is Africa strongest currency for many years now.It depreciated to the dollar in a decade from 78shs to now 100shs.We don't export lots of minerals and yet our forex reserve are 9b dollars.. more than enough to cover the min of 4 months of import.Something is wrong with Ghana macro economic.. interest rate, inflation,currency.I wonder how an investor outside natural resources would risk his money in a CEDIS not any different from Zim dollar.If you had 10m cedis five years ago and you want to reprariate back to your country, the dollar equivalent will be 2m.You would have lost 8m.Which foreign investors will keep the cedis? Stability of currency is important |
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I think economics is not your strongest point. Kenya has not had any serious problem like Ghana. You're just barely out of IMF emergency programme. because you were defaulting on your debt obligation. You are re-basing aggressively as credit agencies and euro-bond interest hammer you.