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That is not helpful. That is just Dangote trying to take your gov to cleaners. Concrete roads are 3 times more expensive than Bitumen or Asphalt.

What we need is Ghana true cement production and consumption for 2018 - or better if you have 2019 data.

Not Dangote sell pitch - he has Nigerians even allowing not to pay taxes as he pour concrete on roads. Crazy state capture.

Just30:
help yourself
http://citifmonline.com/2018/01/concrete-roads-absorb-ghanas-surplus-cement-industry/

How can installed capacity of 12m produce 15m metric tonnes?. I think you need to find us more credible data than some Dangote cement lobbyist trying to commit Ghana gov to expensive concrete roads like they are doing in Nigeria. Concrete roads are too expensive for Ghana or Nigeria.

Just30:
Ghana produce 15 million metric tonnes in 2019

Cement manufacturing companies in Ghana are appealing to government to quickly implement a policy which will ensure that all roads in the country are made of concrete.

According to them this will help consume the surplus cement in the country as well as sustain their operations.

Figures available from the cement monitoring committee show that Ghana consumes about 8 million metric tons of cement annually.

This consumption level is less than the production estimated at 12 million metric tons.

Speaking to Citi Business News on the matter, a member of the Cement Monitoring Committee, Mr. Sammy Amegayibor said President Akufo Addo who had earlier made mention of such a policy, should ensure that it is put into force to sustain the country’s cement industry.

“The total installed capacity will come to about twelve million metric tonnes, this is more than what Ghana needs for the cement industry. I mean there will have to be a way to export some of the products if all of them want to sustain business, I remember the President himself in one of his addresses to the public said that one of the policies that government will bring up to consume the surplus cement was to ensure roads projects are done using a lot of cement material”.

Mr Amegayibor stressed that should government see to the implementation of such a policy the cement industry will continue to grow, “If we live by it, that will be the best way to ensure that the cement industry is sustained”.

He added, “I mean after all, this industry creates jobs for several hundred thousands of people and so if they want to sustain business and continue to produce then there has to be a deliberate policy attempt to consume the cement that is produced”.

Those were last year figures

Then stay the f. out of every reply - and let Just30 - who has more than your two brain cells - engage us with facts.

vaxx2:
i Don't spoonfeed people . You should know that by now. It isn't only Ghana cement on that list, there are other private cement on the list as well. i love the new turnning point. it shows you want to learn about Ghana.

let me make the table a bit easier for you, calculate both the foreing production in Ghana like the turkey company and that of the Ghana cement as well. of it not possible. give is the data you find on the table here . let's calculate it together. I will be spoonfeeding you. maybe just30 can

You're incorrigible idiot. I think Just30 probably confused revenues with hotel rooms. Otherwise you can go and download 2019-2013 report from PWC

https://www.pwc.co.za/en/assets/pdf/hotels-outlook-19-2023.pdf

Page 54 - Kenya branded hotel rooms are now 20,700

samorobo:
Lol if just30 should fall this nonsense then I will know he is gullible...You went to PWC websites right? An you copied and pasted from it. Why didn't you attach the link? But rather You replaced it with an archaic source from your country to back it up (it was even talking about plans)....this was the same thing you did to me and tylann fell for it....
My guess is that you have tampered with those figures that is why you don't want to attach the PWC link which you just visited.

Why not add it yourself. I only see Ghanacem aiming for 3m. You're being hostile because you are standing on shifting sand as we turn our focus temporarily on Ghana.

vaxx2:
Now calculate all the available cement production links to Ghana on that table and value the tonnes yourself ....you will see Nigeria there....

https://www.globalcement.com/news/itemlist/tag/Ghana

Heckling little girl. It was 18K in 2015 - how can current trend be less.

vaxx2:
That is prediction...pwc current trend says it is 10.000

It easy - bring credible data - you know Ghana well - I am scrounging the internet - trying to find data - and whatever google gives me - I am going with it.

vaxx2:
look, can you post this as reference in your uni and it will be approved? quoting blogs .... Don't do that with me again

But it's a recent phenomena...I am not sure of Ghana but Nigeria have claimed 50% urbanization for like 30 yrs - the same with electricity access.

Just30:
China urbanization is 60%

Those are present in every Africa country - I just struggling to understand how a city of 4M plus people can survive with a tiny formal sector. Maybe remittance dollars?

Just30:
the informal sector is
real estate, Transportation, retail and wholesaling

Informal mining where the largest part of Ghana's gold export is currently coming from.
Service provision
Alternative medicine
Farming

You & Sammy - should find a private room - to heckle. Just fish the latest cement consumption data.

I read mine here https://brandongaille.com/15-ghana-cement-industry-statistics-and-trends/

#1. Local cement manufacturers in Ghana have an installed capacity to produce about 7.4 million tons of product every year. That is above the annual consumption of cement in Ghana, which is estimated to be 5 million tons per year. (Ghana Trade)

vaxx2:
just30 ....pls spoonfeed him...

Which PWC?

According to PricewaterhouseCoopers (PwC) in its, PwC Hotel Outlook 2016-2020, report hotel rooms in Kenya will increase from 18,100 in 2015 to 20,700 while six hotels are set to open in Tanzania, adding 600 rooms over the same period.
https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/business/Dar-and-Nairobi-in-plans-to-increase-hotel-bed-capacity-/2560-3417778-n2hjj1z/index.html

Just30:
you dont have to lie

PWc says hotel rooms in Kenya is below 10,000

We are trying to find the truth. I am seeing 5M tonnes domestic consumption in 2018 with installed capacity of 7.5m. Where is the 10M coming from.

vaxx2:
see, Apart from chest beating , only south africa and Nigeria (in some cases) can pride himself over Ghana on some mega development in sub Saharan Africa..... internet is there for you to learn much about Ghana.....

True our cement consumption is going down - I think from a high 6.5m tonnes - now if Ghana consume 10m tonnes - then you have good point.

vaxx2:
Even rvp think Kenya can be compared ? this people look so much down on Ghana....walahi .....

Yemi Kale is lying to you - claiming 500B economy - while you're the poverty capital of the world. Wake up and smell the coffee. I see you finally smelt the coffee on rice - when you were claiming success in rice production on account of reduce imports - while everyone saw Benin & Cameroon numbers immediately ratchet up.

samorobo:
Hahaha this boy is so funny ..he said they should ask us ...I can't laugh...

You make noise alot.....I advice vaxx to also investigate your GDP....your middle class is faulty..

Real estate is offices, malls, hotels, social amenities,residential estates - and Ghana has a long way to go - for example in branded hotels - Nairobi I think has 20,000 branded hotel beds - the whole of Ghana has 2,000.

vaxx2:
why are you lying.... what do you understand by grade A office space, can you tell me what i dont know?

And for your info, international companies are now sighting Accra as a choosing spot.

for building of office and space, there Accra metropolitan assembly in charge of that. there are residential area you can just spring up anything and there is economic enviroment where citizens are allowed to come up with theor choice of lifestyle temporarily since goverment understand the economy impact it will create making a whole nation looking like Dubai when Ghana hasn't getting there yet .

Maybe an investor looking for natural resources will consider Accra before Nairobi or Dar Slum. Otherwise an investor looking at other sectors of economy from real estate, finance, tech, industries, hotels, social amenities, transport, name it - Nairobi is so much ahead of any city in Ghana there is no point doing a comparison. Nairobi is already ahead of Lagos (despite the pop) - and is starting to compare with South African cities.

Something is wrong with Ghana statistics. If I have time - I can tell you - it easy to know if data has been cooked. You can ask Nigerians how we debunked most of their doggy stats. It easy to cross-reference with easily available international data that are outside your stats body.

vaxx2:
The fact remain , investors don't look at pics or videos before migrating but data and volume of buisness opportunities.... Nairobi and Darussalam are NOTHING comparable to Accra when it comes to economy opportunities.

I doubt. Ghana and Nigeria have claimed since late 80s and 90s that their urbanization is 50% - I think the figure has hardly changed. The same with electricity access - although Ghana is now racing toward universal access.

China recently got to 50% urbanization. India urbanization is maybe around 35% now.

Maybe their is Ghana and Nigeria competition to produce dodgy stats.

Just30:
The stats are highly credible and reliable

that is why we can do proper planning along the stats.

China urbanization has surpassed 50% , just do your proper research.

the level of urbanization in Ghana has grown beyond what was expected and causing huge drain on government resources because of it ever expanding nature.


How do you even say Tanzania is more urbanized than Ghana when the consumption of cement tells you otherwise.?

Can you break this for me sector wise? The formal economy that is for sure is mining (with lots of informal minners) and now oil industry. Cocoa farming is also not in doubt. Now what you mean by informal sector is what retail & wholesaling? transport? finance & inter-mediation? hotel & tourism? What kind of informal economy are we talking about.

vaxx2:
Ghana economy is fully driven by informal sector. Ghana isn't kenya or Tanzania. the reason I sometimes support Nigeria Is that the economy is driven mainly by informal sector. Tanzania and kenya economy will break trying that... in west africa , people mostly survived on their own without much of goverment intervention.

I haven't said that. Tanzania is poor. I am also starting to question the numbers Ghana are dishing out. They are not mutually exclusive.

Just30:
Its funny your unclad eyes tells you Tanzania comes even close to the level of development of Ghana

You don't need statistics to tell that a country is developed or not. You just need your naked eyes. Economic development is not something you can hide in books.

vaxx2:
nobody uses picture and video without statistical data for scientific evidence. it is called pseudoscience. Talking about remittance abroad, Ghana with its 30 million population size only fall behind Nigeria and Ethiopia in sub Saharan African. Ghanaian are both in former and informer sector abroad.

I have never been to Nairobi so how will I know ? i can only argue on what kind of opportunities abounded for both citizens as it is reported by numerous statistics in each country. As it stands,there is high chances of making more money in accra than Nairobi. this is more important to me than video or pics....

This doesn't make sense. You should question the stats your gov is dolling out. Even China did not claim that level of urbanization. Even now I doubt China has reached 50% urbanization. The economy start from farming rural communities - then informal in urban cities supported by tiny formal sector - and finally formal urban or cities.

I am not sure how those 4.5M people are surviving in Accra -

Just30:
The funny part of your argument is the fact that the economic structure of Ghana Kenya and Tanzania are not the same.

whiles the structure in east african countries are formal,

In Ghana, The economy is 80% informal meaning they dont require formal institutionalised commercial property space which is under supplied.
They put up their own office spaces than rent from commercial property providers.

Interesting - how do people survive in cities in informal economy. You know most people in East Africa will prefer to remain farmers - because in cities - the formal economy- support informal economy. I don't know how informal economy can support itself...unless most Ghanians are waiting at Western Union for money from their relatives abroad.

I think there could be a lot of statistical cooking going on here. It could be Nigerian problem that we uncovered in this thread. Nigeria claim Lagos state has 20M - and come voting - only 1M voted . Apparently 19m - let say half are kids - 9m didn't bother to show up to vote in the most important elections. Nairobi city that had 4m - has like 2m voting.

Just30:
Accra population are into the informal economy
One that does not need and office to thrive.

In most West African countries, the informal economy is bigger than the formal and known economy.
Trying to put Tanzania on this level will break its back.


putting up empty or half full office blocks is not real development

Sometimes stats from unreliable sources like Yemi Kale 500B Nigerian GDP can lie. Pictures, Videos and such cannot lie. I have gone to Youtube for a few Accra and Kumasi shots - and it's underwhelming. Here you're claiming it's a city equal to Nairobi. What do Accra people do for a living - wait for remittance from abroad?

vaxx2:
1 mining industry in Ghana generate not so much electricity. Ghana isn't South Africa that has a fully developed mining sector .

2. scientifically, pics and videos are not used in research. what are available are data and information gather objectively. using pics and video to judge Accra isn't practical.....

3... Yes migrating abroad causes brain and at the same time also influence economy .foreing remittance is one the good advantage. China will for ever be grateful to Chinese working abroad during the close economy era....

Ghana has done so well in stopping the exodus of trainned Ghanaian migrating abroad. one of the initiative is Automatic employment for the nurses , Automatic employment vfor the teachers and this two professions received allowance while in trainning .

There 4m residence of Accra- what do they do for a living? Where are the office blocks - the one I see is super-tiny? Accra looks a lot like Kampala - although Kampala has bigger CBD - kampala is sprawl about 40kms around that CBD. I see Accra is about 250kms2 - Nairobi about 690Km2. Greate Accra is about 3,500 while Nairobi Metro is 32,000kms - with about half of it urbanized.

Just30:
Accra is ever-expanding than building high.
No one wants to live in an apartment.
Single owned homes with backyards is an ish here

so you will have farmlands like Ayimensah , Dodowa becoming highly residential areas than apartments in the centre of Accra going up

this kind of development is both good and bad at the same time for the government.

1) I guess my point is still valid - that household electricity consumption per capita - is being distorted by minning - just like you find in South Africa - which has one world highest electricity consumption per capita.

2) You're making it worse - because if Accra had 4m population - then clearly something is wrong with either the city or the stats - coz I have checked couple of pics and videos - and Accra doesn't look like a city of 1m people.

3) Adventure thanks to wealthy Ghanians - would reflect in out-bound tourism. This is more economic refugees. It's hardly anything to be proud of.As you plead with slaves that left Ghana 500yrs ago to return - you need to stop current Ghanians from leaving - mostly forever - abroad. You only see such in war torn countries like Syria, Somalia, Ethiopia, etc. This is called brain and resource drain.

vaxx2:
1...... Ghana is presently developing the mining industry to be fully formalised like that of south africa while integrating the small scale miners into effect. they are the one adding to the growth of gold exploration in Ghana. Two foreing mining company have registered of recent , the process of mining may change later but as of now, the mining industry isn't consuming the electricity than demanded. apart from the aluminium industry, No company or industry in Ghana is generating excessive electricity above 1000 megawatt. As I speak , Ghana only used just 40 percent of electricity she produce while most of it are exported or going into waste. that is a serious economic implication...which Ghana Goverment is looking for solution....

2..regarding the population statistics you forwarded , you are wrong.... Accra is currently approaching 4 million and above while kumasi is hitting 3.5 million that is according to Ghana statistical office . Housing deficit In Ghana is soaring, Yes admiitable , but that is less than 2 million which is far better than many rapid urbanized country.....Ghana is conducting digital census early next year, The rate will be given then. but I can tell you categorically is pretty much above 50 percent.


3...There is nothing wrong in migrating in search of more opportunities. Americans does it so is Canadian. Germany are flocking British and America university despite free education back home. the demand to go travelled abroad isn't only about lack of infrastructure but majorly on prestige and for more personal development. I school with Chinese and British during my undergraduate. Are you equally saying Ghana has better infrastructure to this kind of nationality for choosing Ghana education system. the main anchor here is adenuture , Ghana flocking western uni is mainly driven by prestige of those called uni and more opportunities that rises from it. Ghana company are migrating but slowly . A Ghana e pharmacy is buying up second largest pharmacy chain in Kenya( mpharma) it has move across many west africa ,Ghana buisness are establishing new offices across the globe . there kinapharma in Nigeria, kampac in UNited Arab Emirates Springfield in Nigeria and more....This are company worth billions of dollars...... Springfield and kapmac in particular.

Ghana has open transparent policy. hardly can statistics be hidden . There is independent economy watch called IMAAN. they will flush any lies out.. ..

Nigerian are bereft of anything to be proud of.

Jonraid:
Is that an achievement? Richard Branson was in Nairobi some days ago. I guess Kenyans should cheer?

1) Okay - I thought Gold minning has pretty much overtaken South Africa - so you mean all that is done by small scale miners. I think if you remove the power consumed by Gold, Bauxite, Aluminum - that will leave a lot less for household consumption. I cannot seem to lay my hands on the data...anyway I think there is distortion from mining industry.

2) Urbanization. For a country with 15M (half) urban population - you don't have consumerate cities and towns. I check Accra has 1.5m,Kumasi 1.7m, etc. but you'll admit there has to be a serious housing deficits...because a city of 1M people is huge. Mombasa for reference is about 1.2M people. Nairobi is now 4.4m. So either you statistic is doggy like Nigeria...I noticed the urbanization rate has been 50% for like forever.

3) Immigration. For a country that is growing - you should not be immigrating for opportunities or for education. That right there is contradictory. Your companies should be one immigrating - spinning multinational conglomerates.

Anyway I hope your statistics is not being cooked like Nigeria - and it well turn out --- that outside minning & natural resources - there is nothing to write home about.

vaxx2:
mining industry in Ghana is not as developed as it is obtain in South Africa. majority is still dominate by small scale miners. what consume Ghana majority electrity is the aluminium industry owned by Ghana Goverment called ""valco"". and it is just Around 1000 megawatt. As it stands , Ghana generate excess electricity than required ( but plans are under way to build bauxite refinery) Migration in Ghana has gotten a new dimension. buisness opportunity, education opportunity and most importantly economic opportunities. Ghana isn't in the 80s anymore.Urbanization in Ghana is highly influence by continuous economic growth and goverment proactive policy .This year , six regions were created as a result of goverment expansion plan to have development across the inner cities .....peace and stability is the major anchor of Ghana development and that is why Ghana must maintain it.

Straw man childish arguments. Of course South africa rugby is on another level - but Kenya is doing better than many countries in Rugby - Kenya 7s is very good.

Main Cup winners at the 2016 Singapore Sevens
Main cup finalists at the
2009 Adelaide Sevens
2013 Wellington Sevens
2018 Canada Sevens
2018 Hong Kong Sevens

Austine1212:
But youyou do know that SA sevens got an automatic Qualification?

And we know Kenya will not win a 7s medal right lol

Don't take it personal

gallivant:
I will bet anyone $50 Tanzania will be absent in Tokyo Olympics as always. Whoever wants to loose $50 am taking bets.

You mean in all games or fields..they may get one or two althetes to qualify for marathon..but absolutely zero everywhere else..the world laziest country

vaxx2:
cosmetic are simply project done purposely for beautification and not neccasrily project done to cover development. for example, you established an electric train when TZ generate far less than capacity , just a region in Ghana, Greater Accra consume and generate far more electricity than the whole 60 million Tanzania. This directly shows Tz is lacking energy to fuel the growth of her local industry. so why electric train when local industry are in need of power consumption? such project are called cosmetic. ....
You need to go check quality road statistics, as it stands, world economic forum recently realised one ). Senegal has better road than TZ, to see more about Ghana offices and apartment , simply used the Google search.....

The real average TZ is poor and can't really afford many of the eyebrow life the goverment is trying to force on them. they are mostly created to be enjoy by the foreigners...

You don't jump on plane over night to go work abroad. An average Nigerians or Ghanaian you see in S.A can really do something back home but love of adventure coupled with opportunity forces them to live their comfort zone. It takes over 2000 dollars to travelled to south africa from west Africa and that is diffrence from basic travel allowance . Are you saying the people paying this money are really poor? Chinese/ Lebanese are also all over for the same purpose of opportunities ....They are lot of Japanese in Germany and America, not coming down to africa dosnt mean they don't look for opportunities outside their comfort zone, same things goes to Singapore. the only laid back people are mostly from gulf country ( UAE/ Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Bahrain etc) and the reasons to this is not far fetched .

Ghana isn't a small nation in land as well, it has the same geographical space as Britain. what fuel urbanization more often is largely population not necessarily land size .

Yes energy consumption per capita is good measure.You may have to remove the % of power dedicated to Ghana minning industry so you don't distort what the average household consume.For example South Africa consumes 30,000MW but 60% of it by 10 minning and manufacturing giants. Migration is not a factor..on the contrary it shows Ghana historical problems with coups, famine n economic collapse..same situation you find in Somalia or Ethiopia or DrC or Nigeria...where people sell family asset to escape their countries for lack of internal opportunities. Urbanization is good indicator as long as it's not DRC type where people escape to live in shanties so they can enjoy peace and security...in short Ghana urban center have to match the population in housing, amenities and infrastructure. Nigeria kind of urbinazation with mega slumpolis like Kano, Ibandan,Lagos etc with housing deficit of 12m is not a good indicator of progress. Kinshasa is an example of 20m mega slumpolis with Lagos.

Austine1212:
Namibia comes before kenya

For 15 but 7s nope.Kenya both ladies and men just won the Africa sevens and qualified for Tokyo Olympics next summer

tylann:
Iam sorry to say this but your stupid

After South Africa Kenya comes second in rugby
Does Tanzania even have a national rugby team

Tanzania I doubt have won anything serious in any game. Kenya rugby esp the 7 aside is world class.