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Try commedy. I think Abdijan is best city so far in the terrible west africa with some of ulgiest cities in the world. Abuja is a failed tiny gov city with lots of slums.

ProblemChild1:
Lemme tell you something. Abuja is the most developed city in west africa and one of the most beautiful city in africa. One of the most planned city in the whole africa. Abuja road network is bigger than any road network you if in Kenya. Abuja Neighborhood is bigger than any Neighborhood you have in Kenya. Greener than any city in Kenya. Abuja stadium is bigger than any stadium you have in Kenya. Abuja has light rail and sgr. Abuja healthcare beat any healthcare you have in Kenya. Should I go on.

Boer think South Africa rape capital teeming with drugs and plagued by power shortages is better than any Chinese city because of some QOL ranking; craxy

No index out there can beat your naked eye.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9k0aLMwSXo

I have watched tonnes of Lagos videos - it slumpolis.

ProblemChild1:
Didn't you see the space, didn't you see how clean and neat it is. Can you compare that with Nairobi CBD

Nana is biggest joke in Africa now.

Just30:
He's showing the entire Kenyan society the way..

That document is what Ruto is following and failing to rule Kenya.

Maybe in 30 plus years time it will help Kenya get to where Ghana is

Only a loser hide in data. Data is suppose to tell you more about the naked eye. If you look at Shanghai then come and say any south africa city can compare - then you're below retarded. You're mentally sick.

This is why when we do research or experiment - we start with naked eye, smell, etc -

That is how knocked out Ghana - because their cities look shitty, they smell shity, etc

We cannot proceed with our experiment at that point.

The same with South Africa versus Shanghai - as soon as we hit Soweto - we turn back.

jl115:
ret@rded as always

Tell your president.

Just30:
keep weeping

Your largest urban centers are all squalors ... It will take you centuries to develop Nairobi as much as Accra and catch up on the QOL.

Well we are mostly with SA in almost all things developmental

Keep weeping ... You already know that Accra is more developed than your shithole.
All this noise is just coming out of your pained that all the countries you compare to are better than you

Because of that road painted like a zebra crossing.

ProblemChild1:
Kenya as a whole should first beat Lagos which is our second city before getting to Abuja's level.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RRDu3zbtp8

Actually it better when you're supporting south africa - at least you have some data to back it up.

Everytime we get to Ghana you literally scrap the bottom of the barrel and throw anything in a desperate kitchen sink strategy.

So for now I want to assume you're playing for South Africa - it makes your sound saner.

Just30:
sorry... We are not in the same category

A difference of 110s plus is not marginal.


Also our per Capita is not the same, the gap is almost 800 and it's about to become almost 3 times yours

I dont need any index to know a great city. You just need naked eyes - and a good video. Deal with slums in your cities first before you rush to compare yourself with world class chinese cities.

jl115:
the mercer QOL index does also include safety bru

We are not talking about your market that aims to be like Nairobi of 1980 in 2050.

Get to Nairobi of 1980 first.

You should be with South Africa - as Kenya North Star as we aim to become Upper Middle Income country. Now we are your North Star.

Just30:
Nairobi is worse so I don't have to say anything.

Oh is that what you've been doing, hiding behind those 2km areas of Nairobi to hide the disaster it is?

You're in same HDI category with Kenya - the difference are marginal - same Lower Middle class with Kenya with same per capita.
And you've had gold since 15th century
Ghana should be with Botswana, South Africa and Namibia.

You're betwitched.

Just30:
Just stating the fact ... There's nothing simping about that.

I know it hurts your feelings so you start ranting.

My HDI and QOL is already doing that defending for me, I don't even have to say anything

Exactly - most of these indices are total BS. We know what a developed city is - and we know what it is. South Africa cities - nearly all of them - are below Chinese cities. Way below.

Shma2022:
I think your agend is DEMEAN. You have no difference with Austo.

Clearly they need to re-visit their ranking and data - because South African cities are tough places to live in. Now with Eskom, Rape, Drugs. Look like soon you'll be like KaziKazi of Tanzania hidding under some indices.

Just30:
it has crime and safety there already

You're simping.
South Africans can defend their gold plated cities; you cant despite producing more gold than them;
We understand you're their colony but dont simp online

Instead help us understand where gold from 15th century to date has gone?

Just30:


He's looking for where to fix Nairobi

They should add crime - safety. You see no index can really capture everything.

jl115:
this is what mercer bases there ranking from.
The total index is based on the following categories:
Consumer goods
Economic environment
Housing
Medical and health considerations
Natural environment
Political and social environment
Public services and transport
Recreation
Schools and education
Socio-cultural environment

Nope.
I dont there is any correlation btw South Africa falling cement consumption with population.
It's more linked to economy that has tanked.
We have seen the same with Nigeria - despite them breeding like rats.

I know hunter you hate reading - but try read this on your cement demand/prod - and see how projections have been wrong.

Economy tanking
http://www.acdi.uct.ac.za/acdi/OHNCHI001_2012_ACDI_Dissertation.pdf

jl115:
It's about population growth rate not just population.... Kenya's population growth is much higher than SAs, hence your cement consumption should also be more to sustain that growth... But it isn't.... The rest of your post is just your usual bs

There is no single index that is better than others . Beijing and Shanghai dont have you kind of slums, crime, rape and drugs.

If we go by QOL by Economist Intelligence Unit - this is really has nothing on cities.

Determinants of quality of life
The nine quality-of-life factors, and the indicators used
to represent these factors, are:
1. Material wellbeing
gdp per person, at ppp in $. Source: Economist Intelligence
Unit
2. Health
Life expectancy at birth, years. Source: us Census Bureau
3. Political stability and security
Political stability and security ratings. Source: Economist
Intelligence Unit
4. Family life
Divorce rate (per 1,000 population), converted into index
of 1 (lowest divorce rates) to 5 (highest). Sources: un; Euromonitor
5. Community life
Dummy variable taking value 1 if country has either high
rate of church attendance or trade-union membership; zero
otherwise. Sources: ilo; World Values Survey
6. Climate and geography
Latitude, to distinguish between warmer and colder climes.
Source: cia World Factbook
7. Job security
Unemployment rate, %. Sources: Economist Intelligence
Unit; ilo.
8. Political freedom
Average of indices of political and civil liberties. Scale of 1
(completely free) to 7 (unfree). Source: Freedom House
9. Gender equality
Ratio of average male and female earnings, latest available
data. Source: undp Human Development Repor

jl115:
Cape Town, Durban and Joburg rank higher in terms of QOL than either Beijing or Shanghai

LDC - LM - UM - Developed.
Ghana is going to LDC as we speak as it battle bankruptcy for 15yrs.
RSA is upper middle class that is essentially back to 20yrs ago - about 6000usd per capita;
Just three times kenya

Just30:
only 4 million more than Kenya
If it's not developed, why do you need to catch up?

It really pains you to be twice kenya in landmass and 10million more; strange.
South Africa is not developed.
It's a middle-class country slowly regressing.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Kenya is 5m less

South Africa developed long ago

How much progress did the dwarf Nana make in getting to the green city in the sun.
We should have warned you - not to try.
See now you're bankrupt and you didnt make any progress.

Beyond AID - has ended in IMF 17th bailout.

Dont try to copy Nairobi if you dont have the hardwork and the smarts to turn tea and coffee into money.

Just30:
Cry more

Nairobi almost have a none existent middle class

It will still be maybe two decades (max) for kenya to catch up with South Africa.
Remember your cement consumption is basically stuck - at 13m - or maybe even reducing - for a country twice the size of kenya and 10m people more.
Kenya cement consumption is growing at 20% annually - so it will overtake South Africa in 2-3yrs.
By 2027 - it will likely be at 20 million tonnes.
By 2030 - it will be at what who knows 40 million tonnes.

Meanwhile South Africa has peaked early and is highly unlikely to join say Thailand, China, Indonesia and others knocking at developed world status soon.

Already Mauritus left us and joined developed world. You could tell they were about because they were nailing many things including high quality of education - which is prerequisite to join developed world really - unless you're qatar or kuwait with gazillion of oil.

South Africa is stuck.
It remain stuck because the fundamentals are screwed.

South Africa has become the most violent rape capital full of uneducated idiots like you and the hunter mostly on drugs supplied by west africans. And their lights are going off.

So soon you'll become a real Zoo like Nigeria - and you will find like Nigeria skyscrappers that have completely been in disused for years. I think nearly half in Nigeria dont function - lifts stopped working - they are used as toilets. Cocoa house in Ibandan good example. Many in Lagos are abandoned - some burnt.

While Nigerian visit other cities and get suprised by "light" staying on for long; South Africans now get suprised if they dont get robbed or raped.

AfriqueDuZuid:
If cement consumption is to go by, this means Kenya is not closing any gap because SA is still consuming more and SA is far developed than kenya

Again even if Kenya consuming twice what SA consumes it would still be decades behind

They know the truth. Everytime they see Nairobi and kenya cities they cant believe. Their aggression is born out of anger and frustration that a poor mostly arid resource barren country like Kenya have pulled it - and they havent.

If they stop being angry and mad - they would be many lessons to be hard.

gallivant:
Yup, all that gold and oil!! They should execute their Kings and Dangotes for all this misfortune.

Skyscrappers is quickest way to know if a city is growing because the vertical growth is very apparent to people with limited intelligence like you. Horizontal growth is also happening. You can bet Nairobi is not just building skyscrapers for beauty but to respond to high demand for office spaces; Nairobi is catching up in horizontal infrastructure, housing, universities, malls, population, name it and will overtake Joburg in max a decade...min in 5yrs.

This image if you were intelligent enough would help you connect the dots.

jl115:
cities aren't just about skyscrapers of which Joburg has more of anyway, Joburg has nearly the road network of the entire Kenya, more stadiums than the entire Kenya, an economy nearly the size of the Kenyan economy, more golf courses than the entire Kenya, more malls than the entire Kenya, a housing market worth more than the entire Kenyan housing market, the 17th largest stock exchange in the world, BRTs,more universities than the entire Kenya... Should I go on?

JLL is US based real estate - 2nd largest in planet earth.

68816419:
What do you anticipate from a project carried out by the Indian website : https://www.jll.co.in/en/trends-and-insights/research/city-momentum-index-2020

Low middle class estate with shopping mall. Mostly found outside Nairobi city in the metro.

Just30:
All of Nairobi just need to beat East Legon before you can start talking..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syFIk2QEU14

If you can develope as it, we can start talking

I dont dispute most of what you say. South Africa is still miles away from Kenya. But kenya is growing fast and closing the gap. You should not dispute stubborn facts like those too.

You can only dispute such facts if you believe countries never catch up or slip up.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Look, South Africa is miles ahead of kenya

Most of kenya don't live in formal housing, South africans does.... Levels ahead

We still don't more than you do, much of the buildings, again look at where Kenyans live sticks n mud housing even in Nairobi slums.

If we go by cement consumption; look like soon we will be equal; kenya is at 10 million metric tonnes consumed; South Africa at 13 million;

AfriqueDuZuid:
How much is Johannesburg is building compared to Nairobi?

Bare in mind Johannesburg is 3 times bigger than naitobi

Every city is growing;
Just that some are growing faster;
And will catch up with others;
That is what Nairobi will do in 5yrs to Joburg city.
Kenya economy will do the same in 15yrs;
Of course if everything remain constant;
If you continue sleeping; and we continue fixing our country;

And evidence of growth is all over - data, videos, pictures, stories.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Nah just because we not posting anything you tend to think it's growing or developing.

Developments is not foreign to some of us that we post every bit of development that happens

After I discovered Airport city cbd was just 28 acres with 14 buildings my respect for Ghana and Accra totally collapsed. JKIA airport has more buildings than that.

Accra - old colonial CBD + 14 building in airport city - that is all. Kumasi is a market kraal.

All the gold from 15th century just disappeared to the thin smelly humid air?

Just30:
Weeping from an undeveloped city

You have to be totally insane to compare Nairobi with ANY CITY in west africa



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQvPTPpPps&t=16s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMO0ZP6MLWM&t=26s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzB_R5hV5U&t=5s

Okay build skyscrappers then we can compare ourselves in 2050 and shut the generator down please. I cant hear you.

ProblemChild1:
aside skyscraper. There's nothing Nairobi can beat Abuja. You must be smoking Colorado

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmS9_lTM-48

You're one crying on behalf of Joburg - we aint.Nairobi has no competitor in entire west africa.

When you get named in such a list - consistently for years by world leading real estate agency - and come and cry me another volta river

Just30:
keep crying