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Clearly they need to re-visit their ranking and data - because South African cities are tough places to live in. Now with Eskom, Rape, Drugs. Look like soon you'll be like KaziKazi of Tanzania hidding under some indices.

Just30:
it has crime and safety there already

You're simping.
South Africans can defend their gold plated cities; you cant despite producing more gold than them;
We understand you're their colony but dont simp online

Instead help us understand where gold from 15th century to date has gone?

Just30:


He's looking for where to fix Nairobi

They should add crime - safety. You see no index can really capture everything.

jl115:
this is what mercer bases there ranking from.
The total index is based on the following categories:
Consumer goods
Economic environment
Housing
Medical and health considerations
Natural environment
Political and social environment
Public services and transport
Recreation
Schools and education
Socio-cultural environment

Nope.
I dont there is any correlation btw South Africa falling cement consumption with population.
It's more linked to economy that has tanked.
We have seen the same with Nigeria - despite them breeding like rats.

I know hunter you hate reading - but try read this on your cement demand/prod - and see how projections have been wrong.

Economy tanking
http://www.acdi.uct.ac.za/acdi/OHNCHI001_2012_ACDI_Dissertation.pdf

jl115:
It's about population growth rate not just population.... Kenya's population growth is much higher than SAs, hence your cement consumption should also be more to sustain that growth... But it isn't.... The rest of your post is just your usual bs

There is no single index that is better than others . Beijing and Shanghai dont have you kind of slums, crime, rape and drugs.

If we go by QOL by Economist Intelligence Unit - this is really has nothing on cities.

Determinants of quality of life
The nine quality-of-life factors, and the indicators used
to represent these factors, are:
1. Material wellbeing
gdp per person, at ppp in $. Source: Economist Intelligence
Unit
2. Health
Life expectancy at birth, years. Source: us Census Bureau
3. Political stability and security
Political stability and security ratings. Source: Economist
Intelligence Unit
4. Family life
Divorce rate (per 1,000 population), converted into index
of 1 (lowest divorce rates) to 5 (highest). Sources: un; Euromonitor
5. Community life
Dummy variable taking value 1 if country has either high
rate of church attendance or trade-union membership; zero
otherwise. Sources: ilo; World Values Survey
6. Climate and geography
Latitude, to distinguish between warmer and colder climes.
Source: cia World Factbook
7. Job security
Unemployment rate, %. Sources: Economist Intelligence
Unit; ilo.
8. Political freedom
Average of indices of political and civil liberties. Scale of 1
(completely free) to 7 (unfree). Source: Freedom House
9. Gender equality
Ratio of average male and female earnings, latest available
data. Source: undp Human Development Repor

jl115:
Cape Town, Durban and Joburg rank higher in terms of QOL than either Beijing or Shanghai

LDC - LM - UM - Developed.
Ghana is going to LDC as we speak as it battle bankruptcy for 15yrs.
RSA is upper middle class that is essentially back to 20yrs ago - about 6000usd per capita;
Just three times kenya

Just30:
only 4 million more than Kenya
If it's not developed, why do you need to catch up?

It really pains you to be twice kenya in landmass and 10million more; strange.
South Africa is not developed.
It's a middle-class country slowly regressing.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Kenya is 5m less

South Africa developed long ago

How much progress did the dwarf Nana make in getting to the green city in the sun.
We should have warned you - not to try.
See now you're bankrupt and you didnt make any progress.

Beyond AID - has ended in IMF 17th bailout.

Dont try to copy Nairobi if you dont have the hardwork and the smarts to turn tea and coffee into money.

Just30:
Cry more

Nairobi almost have a none existent middle class

It will still be maybe two decades (max) for kenya to catch up with South Africa.
Remember your cement consumption is basically stuck - at 13m - or maybe even reducing - for a country twice the size of kenya and 10m people more.
Kenya cement consumption is growing at 20% annually - so it will overtake South Africa in 2-3yrs.
By 2027 - it will likely be at 20 million tonnes.
By 2030 - it will be at what who knows 40 million tonnes.

Meanwhile South Africa has peaked early and is highly unlikely to join say Thailand, China, Indonesia and others knocking at developed world status soon.

Already Mauritus left us and joined developed world. You could tell they were about because they were nailing many things including high quality of education - which is prerequisite to join developed world really - unless you're qatar or kuwait with gazillion of oil.

South Africa is stuck.
It remain stuck because the fundamentals are screwed.

South Africa has become the most violent rape capital full of uneducated idiots like you and the hunter mostly on drugs supplied by west africans. And their lights are going off.

So soon you'll become a real Zoo like Nigeria - and you will find like Nigeria skyscrappers that have completely been in disused for years. I think nearly half in Nigeria dont function - lifts stopped working - they are used as toilets. Cocoa house in Ibandan good example. Many in Lagos are abandoned - some burnt.

While Nigerian visit other cities and get suprised by "light" staying on for long; South Africans now get suprised if they dont get robbed or raped.

AfriqueDuZuid:
If cement consumption is to go by, this means Kenya is not closing any gap because SA is still consuming more and SA is far developed than kenya

Again even if Kenya consuming twice what SA consumes it would still be decades behind

They know the truth. Everytime they see Nairobi and kenya cities they cant believe. Their aggression is born out of anger and frustration that a poor mostly arid resource barren country like Kenya have pulled it - and they havent.

If they stop being angry and mad - they would be many lessons to be hard.

gallivant:
Yup, all that gold and oil!! They should execute their Kings and Dangotes for all this misfortune.

Skyscrappers is quickest way to know if a city is growing because the vertical growth is very apparent to people with limited intelligence like you. Horizontal growth is also happening. You can bet Nairobi is not just building skyscrapers for beauty but to respond to high demand for office spaces; Nairobi is catching up in horizontal infrastructure, housing, universities, malls, population, name it and will overtake Joburg in max a decade...min in 5yrs.

This image if you were intelligent enough would help you connect the dots.

jl115:
cities aren't just about skyscrapers of which Joburg has more of anyway, Joburg has nearly the road network of the entire Kenya, more stadiums than the entire Kenya, an economy nearly the size of the Kenyan economy, more golf courses than the entire Kenya, more malls than the entire Kenya, a housing market worth more than the entire Kenyan housing market, the 17th largest stock exchange in the world, BRTs,more universities than the entire Kenya... Should I go on?

JLL is US based real estate - 2nd largest in planet earth.

68816419:
What do you anticipate from a project carried out by the Indian website : https://www.jll.co.in/en/trends-and-insights/research/city-momentum-index-2020

Low middle class estate with shopping mall. Mostly found outside Nairobi city in the metro.

Just30:
All of Nairobi just need to beat East Legon before you can start talking..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syFIk2QEU14

If you can develope as it, we can start talking

I dont dispute most of what you say. South Africa is still miles away from Kenya. But kenya is growing fast and closing the gap. You should not dispute stubborn facts like those too.

You can only dispute such facts if you believe countries never catch up or slip up.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Look, South Africa is miles ahead of kenya

Most of kenya don't live in formal housing, South africans does.... Levels ahead

We still don't more than you do, much of the buildings, again look at where Kenyans live sticks n mud housing even in Nairobi slums.

If we go by cement consumption; look like soon we will be equal; kenya is at 10 million metric tonnes consumed; South Africa at 13 million;

AfriqueDuZuid:
How much is Johannesburg is building compared to Nairobi?

Bare in mind Johannesburg is 3 times bigger than naitobi

Every city is growing;
Just that some are growing faster;
And will catch up with others;
That is what Nairobi will do in 5yrs to Joburg city.
Kenya economy will do the same in 15yrs;
Of course if everything remain constant;
If you continue sleeping; and we continue fixing our country;

And evidence of growth is all over - data, videos, pictures, stories.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Nah just because we not posting anything you tend to think it's growing or developing.

Developments is not foreign to some of us that we post every bit of development that happens

After I discovered Airport city cbd was just 28 acres with 14 buildings my respect for Ghana and Accra totally collapsed. JKIA airport has more buildings than that.

Accra - old colonial CBD + 14 building in airport city - that is all. Kumasi is a market kraal.

All the gold from 15th century just disappeared to the thin smelly humid air?

Just30:
Weeping from an undeveloped city

You have to be totally insane to compare Nairobi with ANY CITY in west africa



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQvPTPpPps&t=16s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMO0ZP6MLWM&t=26s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwzB_R5hV5U&t=5s

Okay build skyscrappers then we can compare ourselves in 2050 and shut the generator down please. I cant hear you.

ProblemChild1:
aside skyscraper. There's nothing Nairobi can beat Abuja. You must be smoking Colorado

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmS9_lTM-48

You're one crying on behalf of Joburg - we aint.Nairobi has no competitor in entire west africa.

When you get named in such a list - consistently for years by world leading real estate agency - and come and cry me another volta river

Just30:
keep crying

We are many who are delusional about Nairobi prospect.

Nairobi joins 19 cities in Asia in a ranking of the world's rising urban hubs.

If you know anything sensible about cities - all those cities have one thing in common - they are growing very very rapidly

And Nairobi has risen to no 4 - since it first entered the list in 2017 or 2016.

ProblemChild1:
That guy is taking some illegal stuffs which is not good for his health

Nairobi has more skyscrapper under construction than any city in Africa.
I believe now if you count building of more than 10 or 20 floors it probably has overtaken Joburg or just about.
Nairobi is only city in top 20 of LLC most dynamic (or rapidly) growing city in Africa - infact number 4 worldwide.
As for Abuja and Lagos - when generators go silent - we might hear you.
There is too much generator din. We cant hear you.

ProblemChild1:
And you think joburg with stand still for Nairobi to catch up with her. Nairobi should first catch up with Lagos and Abuja before getting to joburg. Stop dreaming

28 acre airport city dwarf will never amount to much. Even Two River Social city is what 200 acres

Even this Enaki city - is bigger than your little city

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh14eC9Bd0M

Nairobi is going places.

Just30:
Delusions drives him to say crazy things here

Earlier than I thought. Nairobi private housing is already on fire; 200K affordable housing per yr will nail it; and finally what will remain is just paint job.

So I'd say 5-10yrs.

ProblemChild1:
And you think Nairobi can catch up with this. Lol

I am familiar with this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbmTGjaCsXk

AfriqueDuZuid:
I'm quite sure you not familiar with Johannesburg development,

Nairobi - joburg seeing dust already

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twUWqtUQSsA&t=31s

I mean mid-way btw average buy and sell; forex spread exist; in kenya now it's 118 buy; 130 sell for commercial banks; central bank is average 121 -

Just30:
the facts are

Western Union -7.3
Wave - 8.27
Wise - 7.9
Bureaus in Ghana -7 to 8.5
Taptap - 8.26

Any particular good reason why MorningStar is unfair to Ghana?

vaxx:
the poor boys knows nothing. Even google picked it's data from morningstar not bloomberg as he try to insinuate.he doesn't take his time to learn

Exchange rate is mid way. Reduce the insults. You're wasting your anger. I only get swayed by facts

vaxx:
You are stupid , you don't even know where google check its exchange rate . The data is taking from morningstar not bloomberg as you stupidly think. It is simply mid day rate( half way between the buyer and the seller) no profit margin is factor. If you want to cross check on exchange rate, use banks and regulated bureau d change .

Google uses the likes of Bloomerg which track exchange rate of many countries.
In any case why are jittery - if cedis fall is sustainable - then it will firm up.

Just30:
I guess google changes your money for you

Keep crying

I have been using google - which sources it data from reputable source.
Your anger is misplaced.
And quite laughable.

You and madman need rehab.

vaxx:
I provided bank of Ghana exchange rate , you counter back with the single google check. How mad can you be .... The bank of Ghana is the benchmark for any forex in Ghana . I have always told you to be watchful of your reference. Getting information from untrusted source is same as producing fake evidence .

Not so fast - you've recovered back to Sept 2022 - but this could be either leading or lagging indicator.

vaxx:
The regulatory rules against the black market is on track.

The cedis has completely regain all its 53 percent lost . And the Inflation is cracking down naturally. Some month ago, the cedis was the weakest currency in the world. It is now the highest performing currency now.