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Kenya vibrant MV industry start from body building for buses, truck, trailers, motor cycles, spare parts before we even get CKD and FBU - and most are export to the Eastern Africa region.

Try compare Ghana with Uganda.

Not kenya.

Just30:
Kenya has never had .... I won't call 3,000 production and 5,000 new cars purchased a vibrant MV industry

From the 60s to the 80s or 90s, almost 90% of vehicles used in Ghana assemble here.

Yes I thought I remember something like that.

AfriqueDuZuid:
SA was passed 600k before covid disturbed

Unlike your almost alway bankrupt then military dictatorship kenya has always had vibrant MV industry - the whole shebang.

Just30:
1980 is a far cry away from the 1960s

Kenya has never stopped assembling cars. That is why we have one of SSA matured industries.

In fact in 1980s - we took a bold step - and build our own car - but it died. The Numerical Complex plant still remain one of largest in kenya

Moi had a vision for kenya car - Nyayo car - inspired by Singapore Proton in 1975.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=086qdyNtHWo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz-i5jm2wFA

Just30:
neither has Kenya gotten there yet.... Infact we started assembling cars before your country could even grow the capacity

Ghana remains above you in production... Even your VW produced just 28 cars for last year

Yes Morroco then South Africa. Look RSA stuck at 250-300k while climbing to 0.5M cars.

Obaaderemi2:
If it's car assembly you guys are talking about, I think Morroco leads others follow.

Credible link as always settle debate. Something yo've NEVER managed to do.

Just30:
cars

Motor Vehicles or cars?

Just30:
as usual, drag everyone into Kenya misery of default and bankruptcy
Wasn't registered cars in Kenya last year just a little over 100,000…?
Ghana did 140,000 in 5 months

How has it helped Nigeria except spawn 3 exchange rates - and generated poverty at industrial scale last seen in China 1950s.

Manage the economy well.

If you want to discourage import - it enough to levy import duties.

Leave forex controls - it never end well.

Relax - allow forex to flow in and flow out. The moment you panick and try to close the outflow - you're dead.

Trick is simple - remove forex restrictions - dont panick - and everything will work out - there will be enough forex for even someone who want to import total unneccesary stuff

vaxx:
what is this one saying ? Even in Nigeria , there is a tall list of commodity you can get dollar support for . At least rice , chicken and cooking oil is one example you can never get a forex for?

Ghana will also borrowed from that rigid system that protect naira for sometimes . We are not even putting a stop , you can import but go and look for your forex elsewhere .

Very infant.

In SSA

South Africa.
Nigeria.
Kenya
Zimbwabwe

In Africa - throw Morroco, Algeria and Egypt

Ghana you are still an infant

Just30:
I'm sure you can read

Put a credible link - otherwise your words are not worthy a warm spit of saliva from Nana Akufo who bankrupted Ghana

vaxx:
it is a fact I throw at your eyes , yours is to discredit it. We used more cars per head than you... A simple google will have exposed this fact . But you love blind argument .

You're havean infant MV industry.

Just30:
Yet Neoplan before being shut down had produced 4,000 plus high duty hard body buses.

VW hit it 5,000 production mark or close to it which has led them to increase their capacity to 25,000 in a second phase.

Leading Nissan to immediately set up at 31,000 production facility
Pejo a 4,500 facility

30,000 plus new cars registered is good enough for manufacturers to be attracted

You're not longer distinguishable from the JustMad.

vaxx:
random nonsense. Do you make sense ....am I comparing Ghana automobile industry against that of south africa ? Am only letting him know whatever that is happening in south africa , we are also doing it here . That's is simple , it might not be as big as southy but definitely we are doing it.

But as for kenya , Ghana is actually way ahead. At least by average used , Ghanaian used more cars than Kenya

Unfortunately, this kind of thinking extend all the way to upper echelon of ghana.
That is why they raided their last forex - and attempt to defended the Cedis.
Now their coffers are empty of forex.

We are going for classic default in mid-January.

IMF just has to permanently relocate to help them - they cant.

popizaino:
Yes and guess how it recover? BoG made dollar unavailable for some importers so that they can look inward into local productions according to him ....All this happened under two weeks.

Again dont embrass yourself; South Africa dont even manufacture cars;
Ghana you should start assembling motor bikes first.
Then try to assemble cars.
It will be some years before you manufacture car.
Leave Kanatraka nonsense.

Nissan established assembly plant this year - they havent assembled anything yet.

Installed capacity is just installed capacity

vaxx:
you aren't an obtuse slowpoke that's need to be feed , just go and check online . Even though some of the cars company are operating less than their capacity for now.

For example , nissan is currently manufacturing navara truck .

Now do same with others company like sinotruck, Toyota etc.

Maybe. It plausible Nigeria has car production industry. Not the nonsense like Innosen. But I highly doubt. kenya at least has nascent car industry that even export to the region. Real cars. Not badged chinese crap by Innosen or Kantarka.

It goes without saying that almost all buses, truck, trailers in east africa are built in kenya.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Nigeria produce more

They can't even build bodies for buses or trailer for trucks - leave alone assemble CKD or do FBU. Their car production industry is at infancy - most of them were launched last year or this year.

AfriqueDuZuid:
So in simple terms you don't know how much cars are produced in Ghana annualy

If you don't know the was no way you will know the value of your automative sector,

Poor Ghana - such kind of debate is way above your country level of development. Try to manufacture chocolate bars.

Just30:
lies ... Ava only produce 3,000 on a good year
And VW do 28

Sold new cars in Kenya was 5,133 for 2021

When you meet your fellow ignoramus you can tell those lies to them

Kenya produces more than 30,000 cars - mostly AVA(multi-brand assembler), ISUZU and Toyotas.
Half - 15,000 are sold in kenya - again mostly commercial vehicles.
Kenya export the rest to Uganda, TZ, and even India I think

Just30:
3,000 per good year and VW 28

Maybe if you count motor cycles as vehicles.

vaxx:
You should shut up , By car used , Ghanaian used more cars than you. Either is production or purchased . It is important to know Ghana used more cars than you. For the production , we are getting a head start . Giant cars company are opening assembly plant.. it is smarter of time .


Stop manufacturing number from your asses instead of your head

You're nowhere in new cars - leave alone car assembly.

Kenya north of Limpopo River and south of Sahara I think has largest functional car production industry.

Maybe Nigeria can measure up but really doubt

vaxx:
I don't dwell on abstract like you . I dwell on real number ..

He says Ghana has miraclously recovered in two weeks

Ghana Cut to Default by S&P on Eurobond Payment Suspension
Moratorium on foreign debt constitutes selective default: S&P
Fitch says it’s the beginning of ‘sovereign default process’

popizaino:



Most especially the ever denying resident madman.

We only disagree on how to compare growth rate
I believe growth rate relates to the last year quarter - not the previous quarter.
So if South Africa 3rd Q grew - 4% - it's against 3rd Q of 2021 - not 2nd Q of 2022.

For you - we therefore add quarter growth rate - to get annual growth.
For me - we average quarter growth rate - we sum up their sum for each quarter.

jl115:
yeah I'm not talking about the above but rather the fat that GDP is calculated quarterly

I dont think it has registered to many of them.

popizaino:
Late/Stale News.

How can Nigeria with a straight face claim to have agricluture bigger than Brazil?
And if you ask for any formal data - zero?
Any export data of any product - zero?

How do they collect agri data - wield guestimates.

jl115:
yeah sorry didn't read your post properly... My bad you were correct

I dont really waste much of time of NIgeria GDP since 2018.
Their agriculture data is red herring.
I dont believe in their GDP data.

If you ask me Nigeria real GDP is 200-250B.

You know Nigeria the economy is largely informal. Even for them to tell you how much maize they planted is guess work - where they go to flea market - and estimate.

jl115:
it is calculated quarterly... Otherwise what Q3 data are we looking at when it was released by SA and Nigeria? .... Jeezez the ret@rdedness on this thread gets worse everyday.

But fine Nigeria has a higher GDP ppp and nominal than Kenya according to Rvp2018

You're trying from literally zero.
one kenya car assembler - AVA - has like 40 brands .
https://ava.co.ke/company/
The plant was inaugurated in 1975 and has an installed production capacity of 30,000 units per annum. It accounts for approximately 65 percent of all assembled vehicles in Kenya. To date, AVA has produced more than 150,000 vehicles.

Just30:
what ever makes you happy

John Dramani Mahama
@JDMahama
Tragic!
Ghana officially bankrupt.
9:42 PM · Dec 19, 2022

I am in interested in the others...otherwise I have counted Kia, Toyata, Suzuki, VW, Sinotruk, (maybe Hyudai),Peugot, Renault and BMC? as having assembly plant in Ghana. Then Kantanka badging chinese cars.

Quick search - shows most are planning to set up assemblies or started in 2021 if at all.

Just30:
yes there are so many now

There's
Kia
Toyota and suyuki
Nissan
VW
Kantanka
Sinotruk
Hyundai is setting up
Peugeot
Renault
BMC
And others

Keep screaming if Ghana actually move ahead to ban secondhand cars import fully, you'll see an even greater explosion in production because the price at which Ghanaians buy second hand cars plus the import duties they pay on it is actually enough to buy brand new versions of those cars they import in most cases.

So many Ghana car manufacturers You manage to hit a new low every day

Just30:
That will be difficult because there are so many producers and very few information about production

For instance
Sinotruk produced 1,500 trucks in 2021
There's BMC and various others

Mad cow you're all over throwing figures left right and center that dont make sense.

Just30:
Get current kiddo

11,494 were sold in Ghana

The vehicle licensing authority in Ghana registered 10% of total registered vehicles in 2021 (320,000 plus) as new vehicles.


Next time don't be lazy in thinking

Yes but like Boer says it calculated quarterly - and finally added up.

Obaaderemi2:
Gross domestic product (GDP) is the total
monetary value of goods and services produced and
offered within a country for a specific year. Annually.

Ghanians are crazy people. The most crazy you'll deal with. They can battle Nigeria of 220m people all day by just being obnoxious.

The approach that works - ignore everything they say - and focus on facts.

They will double down on insults.

They are used to battling Nigerians so you cant win.

AfriqueDuZuid:
Now I see what yall deal with everyday. It's draining!

I know you can also be naive/trolly

Don't have the energy to deal with vaxx dude, waste of time