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So I should show you projection that kenya GDP will be 107B dollars in 2030
When it passed there in 2021?
Which projection is more credible.
South Africa Treasury and Kenya Treasury have medium term projections.
That basically should settle this issues.

But you want to go back to delusional of pre-2010 when South Africa was going to be this big giant.

And then it crushed!

Below is GOLD standard projection from South Africa own gov. Just extrapolate that to 2030.
South Africa will be STUCK. GDP per capita likely to come down to even 4000 - might even eventually go down to Lower middle class.

jl115:
do you understand simple English?..... I said show me a projection from a credible institution like PWC, WB, IMF ect ect ect that do growth projections every year and show me one that puts Kenya above SA in our life.....

The largest Mall in East & Central Africa- BBS Mall Nairobi
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Somalis really transforming Eastleigh into a business hub.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agoDuIIg9OY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRFU5TKpvbo

Ghana has long way to go in tourism - the delusion aside.

The host - our only nice place is airport city - and we have sanitation issues.
The guy - yeah - kenya and south africa ahead - but we are now marketable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtFKwZGjqKw

Who predicted that South Africa was crushing and kenya was firing on all cylinders.
I have shared the best projection - from your very own treasury - that project 1.5% growth - just below population growth rate - for next decade.
At that rate - South Africa is hardly growing - will still be 400B dollars in nominal gdp- depending on USD/Rand.
I have also shared kenya projection - that for example - project kenya GDP could hit 160-180B dollars in 2025.

So really the challenge is to predict from 2028 - to 2032 - you just need to project further mere five years.

That I think is point where kenya matches South Africa - and overtakes it. I dont see why kenya cannot turn from 200B plus economy in 2028 to 400B plus in 2032 - if the growth is sustained - and nothing suggest it cannot - because the growth has been broad based, diversified and solid since 2003/2005.

jl115:
they did... Decades ago, now go get that projection that puts Kenya above SA...

Nigeria university cults or fraternities should be treated as organized crime;
They are organized criminal cults
And should be dealt with seriously.

Such cults in kenya are proscribed. The minister of interior gazette them as organized criminal network or mafia and they are hunted like dogs.

Good example - Mungiki - they are or were organized cult around Matatu sector - who beheaded anybody who didnt pay their fees - eventually they were killed - and finished.

Police killed 500 of them - until the UN sent a UN human rights rapporteur - the same happens to Mombasa base seccesionist movement and other orgaznied criminal cults.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0kQI57fUSI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bk6JpKul4k

Nigeria has this American system of fratenities;
Where kids belong to cults and such
I have seen it US, Philiphines and Nigeria.
Kenya people are just general tough - inside and outside university.
The toughness of kenyans is more they dont entertain nonsense - and will do whatever they want - be it drugs or gayism or whatever.
Being thug or a thief you're almost guranteed not to live beyond 22yrs in kenya.
There is hardly a kenyan thug who saw middle age.
Police will either kill you - better for you - but most likely people will lynch you.

vaxx:
You can never have a tough university system like Nigeria . So be careful with Nigeria and your west africa choice of words. The kind of fraternity operated by some student there can be liking to mafias of Italy or gangsters in the usa . Guns and matchet aren't a strange things. .

Ghana on the other hand has so many cool headed individual. We can talk from morning to night but we hardly throw punch against one another. But if it must happen , it happens bloodly

You're yet to start boarding.
Most kenyan kids are taken to boarding - almost most by grade 4 - 10yrs.
Kenya has world highest boarding ratio of kids.
And kenya education is pretty intense because everyone knows it only way out poverty.
Kids are taken through rigorous reading and learning.
Eventually they snap.
By university - nobody wants to read.

vankelvin:
Boarding system is everywhere

What you fail to recognize is the fact that all humans can be stubborn and bad but the way the society reacts to issues have a way of controlling such manners. The recalcitrant behaviour of Kenyan students sterns on the fact of a failed society.

Ghanaians can be as bad as anybody but then our upbringing makes us to comport ourselves all the time. Also you wouldn't want your life to be truncated just because of your bad behaviour.

In summary, the difference between a Ghanaian and a Kenyan is Ghanaians are generally civilized whilst Kenyans aren't, even the way you guys dress speaks volumes

Kenya school boarding mess - Kenya has highest boarding student population - twice the world average and it paid huge prize for it.

There have been many tragic incidents; somehow we escaped as we attacked the girls dormitory; which somehow in our stupidity then blamed for school strictness. Some have been very tragic ; Like Kizito massacre - where boys set girls schools in fire;

Almost every year; kids and teachers killed;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcXCoWE3X4w

One of most tragic during our time - was this Kizito massacre. This was to be us but we got lucky,

30 years ago, a group of school boys went berserk in the middle of the night and descended on their female colleagues, raping and killing 19 of them. The boys were later charged in court but escaped with light sentences since the charge of murder could not be proved. Today, some of them live in the same community with the survivors of that ordeal. Was there a miscarriage of justice?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YMr75331Sc

Of course they are not the same. And that is what I said.
I have watched couple of videos - Ghanas are peace loving bible loving nice folks.

What you described as news is not news in kenya - every years kids in Kenya BURN SCHOOLS every year...in thousands.

Sometimes they have to close all schools as wave of school burning starts.

When I was in form 2 myself - we organized our first strike - we burnt down many things - my friends got arrested and expelled. I somehow escaped after two weeks of suspension. We were 14-15yrs. This spread from school to school...leading to wave of school being burnt down...a

In form 3 - I was finally expelled - as we organized another strike that didnt happen.

Like I said Kenyans are pretty hardcore. West Africans are pathological liars - soft christian bible conmen. Dont take your soft behind to kenya - try South Africa or Europe or US.

Kenyans took education too seriously - send kids to boarding school as early as possible - and it eventually tore it apart - kenyans got the high quality education yes - but it paid huge price - that is why exams and boardings are being almost scrapped.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-60309939

Sometimes it reaches a point where almost every high school is burning down..... in 1990s ... I fundraised for petrol...we would burn down dormitory and classes down.

30yrs - maybe more.

A school dormitory in western Kenya burned down a few weeks ago and several students were arrested on suspicion of arson - just the latest instance of a devastating criminal pattern that has dominated the country's education system for more than 30 years.

Last year saw a particular spike in the number of boarding school arson attacks by the pupils, which students blamed on an intensified curriculum following time lost to the Covid lockdown. The second half of the year saw an average of three a week. The BBC has spoken to students whose schools have been set on fire to investigate what lies behind the regular attacks.

vankelvin:
So whenever you comment make your comment make sense because Ghana and Kenya societies aren't the same for you to want to describe Ghana universities as Junior High Schools.

Just some few months ago some students of Knust and Legon took the laws into their hands and destroyed things, as we speak, there are those that are in prison, some have been expelled. Two old students are facing the laws in court, and to add to it their certificates have been rusticated.
There are investigation still underway to fish out all the other students who weren't captured on the CCTV camera's.

Note that Ghana and Kenya are not the same and the university systems are run differently

You should study Ghanians - who just got bankrupted yet again - and are busy defending their gov. Their weirdest species on earth. Nigerians apart from Obaboon here - those I meet - are ever bitter about Nigeria.

Ghana would make good study of how a nation can have such low self esteem.

vankelvin:
I started studying other Africans no be today oo

Like I said I dont know how things are now.
I have been to universities in kenya - they look cleaner than our time
Though even during our time - they were very clean except when workers left at evening.

During our time late 90s and early 2000s - our universities were center of public revolt.
Public revolt against Moi dictatorship and such.

Nobody definitely would arrest a student - we were a law unto our selves.
We were the freedom fighters.
We wore marxist revolutionary t-shirts, we read revolutionary books, and were center of fight back to redeem our country.
Unlike Ghana where military or others protest - we protested.
Unlike NIgeria - if power ever went out for even 15 minutes - we would be in the streets - smashing cars.

Those were late 90s and early 2000s - Kibaki became president - brought up expelled university students - some very old.

That was our time. Nowadays things I bet have changed. They are now doing drugs and partying.

vankelvin:
Kenyans are uncivilized people and that's basically that.

We all know students in Public Universities have the tendencies of causing commotion and violence but then how society takes on these issues encourages or deters students from repeating such

In Ghana university students are allowed to do whatever they like but when they go contrary to the law they are severely punished.
Even if you are an old student and you are cought causing violence on campus you will be arrested, prosecuted and your certificate will be rusticated.

This was actually a continuation of the resident madman that Ghana main attraction is nightlife - bars and all that.
The lady describes Ghanians as laidback soft-spoken crazies who celebrates funerals and weedings on the same day.
And that wasnt even the main reason I posted her - it was to proof to Samrobo that Accra smells.
And then I remember just30mad man claims that their nightlife is anything oustanding.
If I have a mental problem - it would show up in irrational posts.
You see most of you Ghanians are sensitive because you know your smell bad from putrid air to the floods of sewage whenever it rains.

vankelvin:
Hello, go for a mental check up okay
You are losing it gradually.

What the lady said in the video and how you narrated are quiet opposite .

I repeat, Kenyans are so primitive to the extent that you guys think everything should be done the same way everywhere.

Whether Matatu, Danfo, trotro or buses the underlined word is transportation . Some countries prefer trams and monorail, all that is important is for people to reach their destinations on time.

Basically, all that you do on this page is you write stupid things then tag every country so people will argue with you. You have a mental problem

Netherlands v Argentina was well worth the watch. Let see the extra time.

Ghanians please you're nothing but Nigeria shadow.

Relax. We have Nigeria, Kenya, South Africa and Egypt as the kingpins.

Ghana is a little shadow of the Zoo...the mini zoo.

Football was your only chance to redeem and impress...you failed.

Let meet tomorrow - and you'll still be bankrupt until 2037.

Why should it be opposite in dec - this when dollars from summer bunnies is flowing? more supply; prizes drops;
I think good sign that domestic debt market didnt lose all hopes.
You still need to default on external debt.
And nail IMF deal
Before we can talk

vaxx:
The cedis is rising so fast against the dollar..

1 dollar equals to 12.80 today .

CFA is also crushing now

Remember this is December , it should be opposite.

They are normally called Indian toilets;
They are quite popular in kenya shared apartments...as they are easy to clean.
In fact it universal toilet in rural kenya...if you dont have lots of water it better....for people to squat than sit on all the microbes.
I dont know of universities using them.
At UON we had standard toilets but they were dirty - and dirty is understatement.
UON sit right in middle of city - and anybody can walk in.

What I gather Ghana at universities are like junior high school kids.

Kenya are pretty rough...and universities during our time were tough...that was only institution that fought moi dictatorship.

More like South Africa kids....we would go and attack police station...people died...get shot....bhang was smoked...name it.

Universities in kenya is where education FAILS completely.

90% of university kids in kenya have been taken through boarding from lower primary - age of 8yrs for some - and for first time they have FREEDOM.

99% of university kids in our time had been through boarding secondary - and for most this was their time of freedom.

That is why kenya boarding system need to be scrapped because eventually it fails as kids need to be nurtured.

Just40:
They are called Indian toilet?
I usually call them squatting toilets cause it's uncommon here.

Grown ups in universities shouldn't be having eyesore toilets

Nobody projected CHINA, Veitnam, or the rest.
Credible institution is me and you.
I have worked for and with all those.

Dont be lazy. Use all that hunting protein to THINK.

Nobody can predict tomorrow but we all try our best.

Did anybody in 2010 predict South Africa was about to CRASH

jl115:
show me a projection from a credible institution that puts Kenya ahead of SA in our lifetime.

That's what I asked

You mean Indian toilets. I am not aware. What I know most public universities toilet are eyesore. I dont even know how we survived them. I wish they were indian toilets.

Kenyans can be pretty rough when they decide....they are not criminal nigeria west africa bible quoting thugs...but just pure thugs.

Just40:
I saw something nasty yesterday and I need the Kenyans to answer why.

Why are Kenyan university hostels using squatting toilets instead of sitting toilets?

What sort of nasty living condition is that?

Most Matatus music system would blow Ghana bars and clubs out of their woodish slimmy slum to atlanta.

My small bro run matatus and is a real thug..but he makes crazy money


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi6hLSCpszk&t=152s

Woodish nonsense from resident mad man.
Back to world cup

Just40:
madness is doing you
Even Accra and Lagos or Abidjan don't have th
e same climatic effect.
There's a current of Cape Coast that diverts wind and rain bearing clouds from Accra.

While Mombasa smell just as nasty as Nairobi... I'm sure you've watched the video of the guy who came to Kenya to do slum tourism his kid exited your airport holding her nose because of the pungent smell.

Don't confuse that with woodish smell, woodish is comforting like when it rain and the droplets hit the dry mud, the nice smell it gives up

It's work for kenya cities. You see the central district of Nairobi has zero residences; except for Hilton hotel and one or two who got stuck in town - and are now exiting.

So in the day - it business, offices and the works.

At night - it turn into mad house - sodom and gomorroh - nobody cares - nobody lives there.

You can makes as much noise as you want.

Some bars and clubs recently started moving to estates - and took their loud music - there is now push back to get them all out - and bring them to central business district, westland business district, name it.

So generally nobody feels it because nobody lives there.

In most countries people live inside cities - in Geneva for example - Paquis is where night life happen - and everyone lives there.

Nairobi has crazy night life because - it's office day time - night life night time in business districts.

Skyscrappers immediately people close their offices turn into this - and also explain why kenyans dont go home, change and comeback to club- they empty from skyscrappers into night life - and are finally taken home or drive home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34SOoYmCw8U

mdntiri:
That your loud matatu thing doesn't make sense. Its village vibes. Why add to all the stress, traffic, work stress etc?

Woodish smell; you can be a wordsmith if you go back to school I tell you.
Let me tell you - Accra and Mombasa - same tropical climate - same high temperatures - same humid warm air- but no putrid smell in Mombasa.
Kenya has poverty. It has slums. It has very poor people living in remote areas like Turkana.
Slums smells.
But they are only 2.5% of Nairobi landmass.
Now kenya sewage coverage is high. Nairobi is 70%.
Almost every little town in kenya has modern sewage system.

Nobody will tell you that your smell except those who care.

Please build a modern sewage system consisting of pipping of all raw sewage to one central treatment plant - then empty back to lake

Just40:
Now you've jumped into abstract..


When you exit the plane, the first thing that hit you is the hot air..
Second is the woodish smell .. anyone who has been to the savannah knows or forest knows what woodish smell is.

It's quite nice.


Do you want to ask her why she was holding her nose throughout her tour of Kenya?

The stench was just unbearable

Again from girl video - look like Ghanian are just chilled out boys - I doubt their entire night life can even rival kenyamatatu nightlife - few places can - matatu alone nightlife are more than Ghana can handle - leave alone the bars & clubs - Nairobi at night is crazy - it loud obxonious - and everywhere. And Nairobeans or kenya just head to bar straight from job. Mos t of other countries I have seen - Uganda, South africa , nigeria, ghana - people go home - dress up for the night - which are semi-formal. Kenyans simply empty from office to bar at 5pm. Nairobi from 6-7ish it become a mudhouse - matatus start competing with bars for clients - and by midnight - almost all the bars are emptying out - as people are now drunk - by 3pm it's over. Matatus pick you if you use them and drop you with same loud music, disco lights.

Thank goodness bars in kenya were eventually regulated - to open at 5pm and most close by law by 11pm- otherwise it uses to 24hours of madness - a few have such license. Saturday and sunday they are open at 2pm - otherwise again people use to drink silly 24hrs - some dont even show up home.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7PxA18K0Xs

Here is the girl.

Just at 0:28 am

Immediately I landed in airport - the air wasnt fresh - it has a smell in it - not pleasant smell but now i am used to it.

The answer is obvious - NO SEWAGE SYSTEM - shiet dumped in altantic ocean - putrid smell of human raw sewage rent the air.
The whole country has only small colonial era sewage system in central business district in accra!

Very sad - they need to fix sewage system - build modern sewage system with culvert pipes to everyone homes - not cesspit/soakpit/

Tourism - you go to see clothes being made.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=culiS6a2e1M

I would never do that.
I heard this almost verbatim from kenya girl who is Accra university in youtube.
With some luck I can find it.
Popizziano has corroborated it

I think it was this one - nope - it was a girl

samorobo:
Which is common sense test again? You just wake up one morning and create a tag to justify your stupidity.

Brazil out. France aka westa frica look like to retain world cup.

It only got to 100B in 2020.

obaaderemi:
I'm not stupidd like you. Can you show where I wrote that? I've always said it's below$100bn. You can pick your point between 0 and 99bn.

According to Boer beloved projections kenya gdp would 107B in 2030 - something kenya achieved in 2020.
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/04/27/business/gallery/nigeria-1-trillion-gdp-2030/index.html
9. Kenya — Kenya's GDP will be $107.5 billion in 2030, according to the projections.

That huge improvement. You use to swear it was less than 60B.

obaaderemi:
Kenyan GDP is below $100bn if you care to know. I've always maintained that. By the way, I didn't know you were hanging on to every word I put out here.

I don't fight people; I fight stupid ideas; I applaud great ideas.

obaaderemi:
What point have you ever shared here that's meaningful except fighting with everyone, including fellow Kenyans who have had to either deactivate or cower before you like the chickens they are?

I will rest when I am tired. Again, you're being redundant. I would love to hear you tell us what Nigeria will do to get out of it's economic morass. I use to think Nigeria economy crash since 2014 was due to low oil prices - but now we got record oil prices - and Nigeria is sick. I hope that frustration is not getting into you. No electricity?

Poor dude - today I been busy writting a proposal to do bitcoin mining from mini hydro power station that I set up in my land - this could make me serious money - that way I can engage you without any rest

And would be amusing to get your latest estimate of kenya GDP - you left it at 20B or 30B.

obaaderemi:
Oga, rest.
It's a thing of value when your stupidity is pointed out.

I don't think you've contributed anything of value today except usual gaslighting. We are not here to be loved. We have social life outside this forum. I am here for rigorous intellectual engagement with other Africans that are beneficial.

What nuggets of wisdom have your shared today or this month except heckling?

This is not facebook where I use my real names - this is online forum - brutal streets akin to twitter.

obaaderemi:
Of course. So you don't die younger than necessary.

Tell me which magic south africa will use to grow by more than 1.5%? I frankly dont see it - well unless you change ANC gov; Your best bet is to growing at 2% which matches population growth and maintain the current GDP & standard of living. Welcome again to middle class trap or rut.

Now tell me which magic will stop kenya from growing at 6-7%? I don't see it? In fact with Ruto on board - I suspect we could start hitting 10 percent soon.

You keep crying as Kenya tighten the grip.

When we began - Kenya was at 60B - now at 120B: you still think it's ridiculous?

jl115:
OK and?