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Not bad. But 1.5m is still less than 2M barrel Nigeria used to produce.

GeneralDae:
Nigeria emerges Africa’s highest crude oil producer for November 2022

World Health Organization recommended doctor to population ratio
The World Health Organization (WHO) prescribes the ratio of 1:1000, that is, one doctor for a population of 1000 individuals.

Only South Africa is very close - they need 60,000 doctors - and they now maybe at 50,000.

Ghana need 32,000 doctors - from at best 5k - Ghana has to increase more than 6 times.

Kenya need 52,000 doctors- from at best 15k - kenya has more than tripple its numbers.

Why not paste WHO link? 2019 - was 10,000 - now in 2022 it come down to 6,500. Still a long way to go

https://www.afro.who.int/fr/node/16904
Ghana has made tremendous gains in the doctor-to-population ratio, improving from one doctor to 17,899 in 2005 to one doctor to 6,500 in 2020

However, available data also show that 42% of the doctors are in Accra alone, and up to 81.3% of all doctors are concentrated in 5 regions–Greater Accra, Ashanti, Central, Northern and Volta regions, with the Teaching Hospitals in these five regions together having over 60% of all the doctors in Ghana.

Just30:
by the WHO


Keep crying

2023 or 2024? Yes there should be no excuse considering 1.5% railway dev levy charges on all imports is alot of money enough to pay for this. This project to make sense has to be extended to kampala.

Museveni is going to build Kampala to Kasese first - then I guess once kenya build 2nd B - kisumu to Malaba - Museveni will similarly start on Malaba to Kampala.

Then DRC minerals will make the railway profitable.

Shma2022:
Someone is overworking. SGR phase 2 & 3 to kickstart early next year.
This is Naivasha where all plans were made. We're good to go.

Kazikazi is not around because their SGR is as terrible as Ethiopia's.

Naivasha.

Worry about Ghana 3200 doctors in country of 32 million people ; 1 doctor for 10,000 people.

Just30:
let's see if he will admit that half of Kenya doctors are quark

Samrobo claimed it would never as good as the renders. I told him the chinese know their stuff.

Shma2022:
Airport CBD Accra, Ghana.

Nairobi will need 1000 years to be at this Level.

And there are many more under construction now.

Shma2022:
..

Airport CBD aerial view. Accra.

I don't think Nairobi will ever match this.

It means you should go back for your school fees;

68816419:
Meaning Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Union are not been licensed ?

KNBS writes to KMPDC for the numbers every quarter.

Just30:
Unless you want to tell the whole world that your country has 5,000(fake) quark doctors practicing and killing people

And kenya gov got the data in economic survey from Ghana?

Just30:
madness is doing you

The source of the numbers is from Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dental Council as the total number of Registered and practicing doctors in Kenya .... Everyone can see it on this flyer, just accept that your govt was lying to you And move on.

We simply need to import more Cuba doctors and pay them. They are costly to train and therefore costly to pay.
We can export our nurses - as there is an overproduction
Ghana instead of wasting money training nurses - send the money to Cuba - and get at least 1,000 doctors.
Cuban doctors are very very good.

Dont get into fellow country mad man mantra of combative arguing over anything even plain old facts.

Now everything is a contest. Blue is black. Black is red.

Community Health workers have their job in prevention of disease. Nurses have their job. Doctors theirs. Specialist there.
We need adequate number for each.
We are struggling very badly in specialiast.
In fact in some countries you will find one heart specialist in the whole country or NONE.

The amount of money spent to go to India or South Africa or Germany is enough to hire Cuban doctors.

vaxx:
that doesn't mean we are not doing better than kenya . This is the 14 largest country with Doctor to patient ratio in africa.

Doctors and nurses shortage seem to be everywhere except Cuba. Cuba has around 600,000 doctors. That is saturation.

They are more to medical inclusion rather than doctors access only . And in practical sense , nurses spend more time on patient than doctor and on this Ghana is by far one of the leading country in africa .

English comprehension.
Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Council - this gov body that regulate, license and register doctors.
Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Union - labour union- those are the ones with circa 8K doctors - mostly working for public sector.

Just30:
Madness is doing you

You think you can just get up and practice medicine er?

You have to write the board licensing exam and become a member of the council.

There is difference btw union and the council.
Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Council
They are the ones that provide KNBS data on registered doctors and dentist.

Just30:
You're mad

You can't practice medicine in Kenya if you're not licensed by them, you'll be arrested just like everywhere else.

Everyone here already know that the Kenyan govt always present false data.

Those numbers are from KMPDU - Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Union - not every doctor belong to their union.

Why would kenya gov lie about numbers? Do you think they know Nairaland? And hope one day we will use it in school yard arguments.

KNBS - equivalent to Ghana Stat services - collect, validate and cross check their numbers.

Just30:
as Usual, typical kenyan government number paddling to present false numbers to fool Kenyans

Also, Kenya only produce 600 doctors per year

There are callous people encouraging the resident mad man to crush himself.

gallivant:
Makes you wonder where the fool got 7k doctors in Kenya from.

Kenya doctors number may shoot slightly as now those with kenya higher diploma clinical medicine have been found to be as competent as Bsc doctor and will have the same job group.

https://ntvkenya.co.ke/news/kmtcs-higher-diplomas-now-equivalent-to-university-degrees/

Following a successful assessment and subsequent endorsement, Higher National Diploma Qualifications from the Kenya Medical Training College (KMTC) will now be classified as KNQA level 7, making them comparable to a bachelor’s degree, a CPA III, a CPS, or a Master Craft Person I.

This comes after the college received a certificate of registration and accreditation from the Kenya National Qualifications Authority (KNQA) (QAI)

This from kenya economic survey - kenya has nearly 15k registered doctors and dentist. It need to double it's effort - and has to build more medical schools. We imported Cuban doctors. We need to import more and more as we train more.
https://www.knbs.or.ke/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/2022-Economic-Survey1.pdf

Last I checked a year or two kenya had 13,000 doctors including specialist.
Kenya graduate 1,000 doctors annually.
Kenya has long way to get to where it need - which would be about 35,000 doctors.

As for Ghana it's any number btw 3,000-5000 - also a long way to go.

Just30:
there are 7,300 doctors in Kenya giving a doctor to patient ratio of 7,600: 1

There are 5,700 doctors in Ghana giving a doctor to patient ratio of 5,300 :1


Carry your lunatic rants elsewhere

You're retarded. Ghana requires 10 times more doctors.

The doctor-patient ratio is alarming (1:10,450 versus 1:5,000 recommended by the Commonwealth, and 1:1,320 recommended by the World Health Organization). This statistic highlights an important fact. We need to train more doctors and other health professionals.

https://chs.ug.edu.gh/postgraduate-endowment-fund/chairman-statement

vaxx:
I am not making claim , it is a fact . Yes . Anyway I don't know where you get your claim about the number of doctors from , maybe the same numbeo page . ( You road side economics) let me help you , as of 2017, the data is still used at present , there is 1 doctor to 5000 patient access ratio in Ghana. Ghana was ranked as the 14th largest position of doctor to patient ratio in africa ( most of the country with more doctors are found in southern africa . So we are not doing bad at all on africa standard , in west africa , we follow closely behind Nigeria . This kare fact from world bank . You can check of you want to learn .

It is expected for human to look for more alternative if they feel present condition is not satisfying. Human want can never be satisfy. Ghana doctors are the highest paid in west africa . You can cross-check .

Last I checked the numbers of medical doctors
South Africa - about 45k
Nigeria - 30K
Kenya -15k
Ghana - 5k.
Those are doctors currently working in those countries.
You'll find many Ghanian doctors outside Ghana - Nigeria is probaly worse - of the 75K Nigeria doctors - only 30K are left in Nigeria.

As for largest hospital in Africa in Ghana - a little country - you should scratch yourselves every time you make such claims.

Actually, you may not even have 5k doctors in Ghana. Look like only about 3000 are left in Ghana - for a 30 million population.

So basically, your healthcare is run by nurses - and outcome is misadgnonsis.

If you had a mental hospital - Just 30 would already be confined there.

To get to South Africa level - you should have half their numbers - more than 20,000 medical doctors & specialist.

But you're busy churning too many nurses than you need and few doctors - and hardly keeping them because their probably earn peanuts.

https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/Many-doctors-are-leaving-Ghana-due-to-poor-working-conditions-GMA-1466197

vaxx:
You are ranting.....

When it comes to medical inclusion, only south africa can outshine Ghana in sub saharan africa . despite our population, we have third largest hospital in africa , bar only egypt and south africa, we have the most advance medical center in west africa , far ahead of any hospital in kenya ( UGMC) .and when it comes to specialist, Ghana is awash with lot of human resources both home and abroad .

You Ghanaians suffer from inferior complex.
Clearly Uganda came to understudy one aspect of health case - waste management.
That is how you dispose syringes and such - I guess incinerators
It doesn't mean you've nailed all the aspects of health care.
You may have nail for example prima facia - universal health insurance, nursing and now waste management
But there are other aspect you're still below many countries - for example how many specialists do you have?
Are Ghanaians going to say South Africa or India for complex surgeries - most likely yes.
Every country is almost better in one or two things - and people go to benchmark there - but that does make the country best.
To be the best - you need to nail - everything.
Ghana will for example need to have at least 30,000 doctors - and maybe 5,000 specialist.
I think you barely have 5,000 medical doctors.

Nigeria claims to have lots of medical doctors - and in that aspect of healthcare - they are ahead.
You should therefore cross over to Nigeria and understudy how they trained those many medical doctors.
I am personally pretty suspicious of anything Nigeria claims.

vaxx:
You want me to acknowledge a page that is not peer review . How blockhead can you be ? So numbeo is your reference ? This is the reason I called you a road side economics.


When uganda your next neighbour want to understudy best health system practice , they didn't used kenya , they fly to Ghana to come understudy us.

“This visit came at the right time for us in Uganda as our health care waste management was found to be one of the worst performing areas in the health sector. We were informed that UNDP and the Government of Ghana have done a very good job in this sector and our Ministry decided to visit and learn from their initiative.”, noted Ms. Achii.

Anything to save KQ. There are lot of American tourists to Africa; so maybe there is scope to build partnership with Delta. KQ direct flight to US should expand and link up with Delta so KQ can "fly" more destination

NTSA:
@rvp whats your take.?

Pay debt first. That is 1st thing everyone does.That first charge on your account. The rest are details. Cant pay debt. Youre broke and bankrupt.

Just30:
Screams of a guy from a bankrupt country who thinks everyone must be dragged to his country desperate level.

Bankrupt countries don't make health care complete free for their pensioners.
Neither do run a health insurance for all that covers a wider range of things.




Kenya can't afford these things else in your current bankrupt state where you can't pay your debt, your country will handed over to your masters ( creditors)
No wonder everything project wise has stagnated in Kenya

Deflating what? That something I taught you today hunter

jl115:
. Real gdp is nominal divided by a gdp deflator... Its simple... Just accept what it is.

And yes for the thousands time I know what gdp ppp is, you don't have to continually copy and past what it is.

YOU CANNOT AFFORD ANYTHING NOW - YOURE BANKRUPT

Just30:
something is madly wrong with you... Even a kid can reason properly than you.

When did subsides become free tuition?

Ghana can afford it and that is why Ghana finance it.

IMF has not touched that for the last 50 years that it has been in place and won't touch it now. The last Ghanaian govt intermittent runned a budget surplus.

Kenya can't afford such hence IMF will simply force you to remove such kid of spending.

When was the last time the Kenyan govt even had a budget surplus ?

Yes nurses can be bonded...or just simply convert all the free tuition/money into higher education loans.
US graduate with gazillion of education loans - why would africa developing countries allow their kids to graduate & emigrate loan free
Ghana has to stop bankrupting the country with unneccesary expenses.
Convert all these things into loans - then whenever wherever you end up - you pay gov.

IMF are coming anyway to put some of these common sensical reforms to action.

Just30:
not even the US or UK does that.

You'll have to pay the money back if you decide not to serve

Can only happen in communist dictatorship like Cuba. It can't happen elsewhere. Ghana will benefit from FOREX. It a stretch to imagine gov following these people abroad to get piece of their salaries - even if they go in gov-to-gov arrangement. Ghana can ask for other benefits from such gov like road money grants

QuietMynd:
Govt should look for other source of income rather than getting cut from citizen salaries abroad, it doesn't speak well for the govt.
All this money we talking about are peanuts to any serious govt

Real gdp is only relevant to that country- - everything is local
For international comparison - we used USD - as defacto -- everyone converts to it - therefore usd/rand exchange matters here.
Because of some weakness in the above - we try to come up - with middle ground - by developing PPP basket of goods like big mac index.
So PPP now (world bank ICP) basically go round the world finding out the price of bread - and then try to standardize - because bread is bread.
This PPP team basically collect prices worldwide and try to compare them - and deflate them.

jl115:
1. Yes what I said

2. No

3. Its to establish a better and fairer comparison between economies

4. Real gdp is just nominal gdp divided by a deflator... That simple

5. Nope I'm not confusing anything

6. The Kenyan shillings depreciated from Ksh81 shilling : $1 10 years ago to Ksh123 : $1 so how do you explain your logic with the above?

7. No

I dont think you know crap. You would have known Penns world table.

jl115:
I know what GDP ppp is my bru....its literally my job to know.... Once again you are copy and pasting irrelevant information that has nothing to do with what we are talking about

More reading for the hunter.
PPP are international comparisons - so someone outside South Africa - has to try compare price of bread in almost all countries - and come up with base prices for bread for each.

The last I checked that someone was either university of chicago or two such universities in the US.

This now done by world bank under ICP
https://www.worldbank.org/en/programs/icp

It used by the University of Pennsylvania

The last base years for PPP - 1970, 1973, 1975, 1980, 1985, 1993, 2005, 2011 and 2017 - they should soon release a 2021 one

The ICP celebrated its 50th anniversary in 2018, having grown from a modest research
project in 1968 spearheaded by the United Na�ons Sta�s�cal Division and the
Interna�onal Comparisons Unit of the University of Pennsylvania and supported by
financial contribu�ons from the Ford Founda�on and the World Bank. ICP comparisons
have been completed for 1970, 1973, 1975, 1980, 1985, 1993, 2005, 2011 and 2017.
Country par�cipa�on consisted of 10, 16, 34, 60, 64, 115, 146, 199, and 176 economies
respec�vely. The next ICP comparison will be conducted for reference year 2021.

I dont we will agree soon.
1) Real GDP - deflate inflation within the country -
2) Nominal GDP (USD) - handles currency appreciation or depreciation using USD as global base price if you will.
3) GDP PPP - is attempt to cure USD inaccurracy esp as some countries just manipulate exchange rate to keep it low mostly.

Real GDP IS Totally LOCAL.
Nominal and PPP - are international.

Youre confusing real gdp in local prices and PPP - which are market prices weighted by USD. These have their own series.
For example South Africa might have PPP that are more up to date than kenya.

Each country develop their own base market prices based on local currency- they just pick a year - and that is that. PPP series last I checked were developed by some university in US with help of IMF - and countries try to adapt them - and keep them up to date.

Now let give you good example kenya.

In last 10yrs - Kenya GDP has almost tripled - from 40B to almost 120B - in nominal GDP.

GDP growth rate alone cannot explain that growth - real GDP is way less.

Country growth in nominal therefore is GDP growth rate + or - currency appreciation/depreciation against USD.

jl115:
1) you use the base price to calculate GDP..... You don't use the current USD exchange rate.... That's what your brain can't comprehend.

2. Real GDP has nothing to do with the current currency exchange rate but rather to do with inflation, obviously currency depreciation could increase inflation but that's a different matter.... Real GDP is just Nominal GDP divided by a GDP deflator

3. No its an attempt to make it easier to compare economies to each other

1) What matters is official dollar rate when full year results are done or at end of the year. There is nothing like short term or long-term currency depreciation. Ghana is therefore ending on a high.... otherwise their nominal GDP would have taken a huge hit. If rand collapse now - your nominal GDP for 2022 will similarly collapse. There are many example - Angola, Sudan, South Sudan, Tunisia, Libya are good example.

Few years ago, their economies were great, but USD has hammered them.

2) Base prices are not converted into USD. That is nonsense on stilts. Real gdp is calculated entirely on the country currency. And the base price is simply the prevailing market prices of goods and services of a base year. This is why selection of the base year is critical.

3) PPP - is an attempt to fix nominal GDP.

jl115:
1. Long term currency depreciation obviously has a negative impact on GDP.... Short term currency fluctuations don't hence why base prices are calculated every couple of years and not every year

2. Yes I know

3. Nope it's used by using the base price of goods in USD and isn't calculated by using the dollar rate at the end of every year but the base price x total goods and services rendered for that year.

4. Yes I know

5. Yes I know

6. Yes I know

7. Yes I know

8. Yes I know

9. Yes I know


You do know copy and pasting paragraphs of irrelevant information doesn't make you look smarter...