₦airaland Forum

I will let this slide.

obaaderemi:
R I P, you are the hurt one here, arguing blindly with everyone and losing. You lost against the Ghanaians, you lost against Nigerians, lost against a lone Tanzanian. And now a South African asks you to back up your claim with a single chart or whatever and it's hard for you to do.

Just like a fellow little Indian once advised you, you will die slowly because of these arguments you keep losing.

Your projections are nonsense compared to credible institutions. Someone we've corrected severally on basic stuff here.

Kenya safari - so many animals parks,
coastal beaches - almost 500kms of whole of it lined up with tourist restort
Those two are the big ones in kenya - then many others added on
Mountains
Deserts
Lakes, rivers & related resorts
Sports
rural tourism
urban tourism

Ghana you have coastline, you have river and lake volta, you have some parks.

All you need is to develop it. You can start by selling beach plots exclusively for hotels - and stop dumping garbage.

Kenya has many tourism institution including tourism development fund - to assist in building hotels - you just need to copy and prosper.

Not call useless diaspora coming home tourism - those people will always come home.

Just40:
Ask him why he and his fellow tourist choose to spend 2 months in Ghana touring and experiencing ...

I don't need to market Ghana to you because we don't waste time on poor people like you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiuEHckpiKI

Kenya has nothing tourism outside of safari.

Ghana has a full blown entertainment tourism and that Is the largest bringer of tourist to Ghana.

Year of return black americans. That can be a niche. You can start Pilgimage tourism.

Just40:
Ask him why he and his fellow tourist choose to spend 2 months in Ghana touring and experiencing ...

I don't need to market Ghana to you because we don't waste time on poor people like you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiuEHckpiKI

Kenya has nothing tourism outside of safari.

Ghana has a full blown entertainment tourism and that Is the largest bringer of tourist to Ghana.

Their entire coastline is million dollar worth of tourist real estate if they can stop dumping sewage on it.
Only west africa coastline is that undeveloped.
Almost the entire kenya coastline is lined up with tourist resorts.
The same in North Africa.

Imagine if they lined up tourist resorts along the coastline - then along the big volta river - they can create tourism - and dont have to call remittances - tourism.

Most of kenya coastline - 500kms - lined up with resorts - from Tanzania border to Lamu - and those that dont - you cant afford to buy - very expensive - a million dollars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIAKJF3LGEo&t=81s

gallivant:
Is this how you bring tourists to Ghana? Not very honorable of you bonobos. Why don't you try honesty and hard work to lure tourists?

I expect you to sell the Ghana experience to us.
What would a tourist do in day 5 in Ghana.
Show us a sample tourism product being sold in Ghana?
You don't have tourism sector outside the slave tourism.
You should try to copy even Uganda that has done great.
Museveni has built their tourism sector from ground up with incentive to tour operators and company
To build hotels and lodges - sell tourism products - and the work.
They allow duty free imports of tour cars.

Just40:
The fact that your tourism receipts is just a billion dollars and less should already tell you that there's so much to experience in West Africa and the very reason why we earn more than Kenya and every year more and more people keep coming back for the experience and vibe.

People feels like they are missing out when they're unable to come from Europe to have the experience.

Kenya is the only place that smells pungent that keeps people holding their nose when they step in Nairobi.... Need I show you WTO president holding hers

Kenya does not have a Beach culture

Agreed, he is weak. The next strategy in his gaslighting is to kill the thread. He killed the other one and tried to pull Nigerians to this one.

Shma2022:
He had to bring Tennis argument like a madman to make sense, smh. His entire balderdash had zero substance. I don't know why he quoted you when deep down he' s retaliating my previous reply towards him.

Very weak. He's a puss1fied man

What is there in undeveloped west africa that can pass for a tourist experience.
Tourist land in Accra - go to slaves dungeons in cape coast - take a picture in point of no return - imagine the horror of slavey.
Comes back to Accra hotel - go to local bar and eat local food?
Go to only park or garden to see rows of tree - mburi something - maybe see two monkeys?
Try to go swim - and find the pungent smell & slimy water too much.
Get into his plane - and never comes back.

Want to compare yourselves to kenya - these canadian couple been here for two years - and they always have something new to see or do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zQJgeWUJyA

Kenya, TZ and South Africa just have huge diversity you'll never get bored.

And they are mostly developed as tourist product.

In Kenya you generally have microsom of earth in a small country it's incredible - it pristine, it reachable, it developed

And you can still see slaves dungeons if you want - as small thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUur1z_1C_U

Just40:


They think tourism just about sight seeing rather than an entire experience. An experience that someone will want to have more than 10times in their lifetime

Obviously, you are not revealing what is hurting you. It hurts you when we call you Obaboon. I will try to be kind to you if you elevate your arguments. Sometimes you make some good arguments.

Now if you want to join the prediction/projection outlook btw Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa - please join with your own data/arguments/merits - dont sit on the sideline - and try to tell me how to make an argument.

I dont need to quote someone else projection when I can do my own projection with available data. The best predictor of next 10yrs is the last 10yrs.

obaaderemi:
R I P, you have no honour. There's no stretching it.
Your arguments are basically nonsensical. Where's the intellectuality in saying a country will stand in the same spot for ten years while yours catch up?

You said the same thing about Morroco and you are still far behind. You said the same about Nigeria, you are yet to catch up with ordinary Lagos.

The Boer asked you to post any source, just one source that puts little Indian ahead of south Africa GDP wise in your lifetime. That's been impossible for you to do. Instead you keep arguing blindly. Where's the honour in that?

If there's anyone here who just says anything it's you and your idiotic brothers. One female monkey was here yesterday arguing about tennis, a sports he knows nothing about. Even when his errors were pointed out he didn't have the decency to slink away quietly from the big embarrassment. He continued arguing that a certain gentleman won nothing for South Africa since the South African flag under which he won his first grandslam was different from the current flag. How's that for lack of honor? You couldn't say you didn't see him making a mockery of Kenyan education here but you chose to keep quiet instead of correcting the illiterate. You Know you are his father and Lord. You lack honour.

Your arguments are mostly flawed and this one on GDP projection just doesn't make sense and you know it. Even the chart you posted proves it. By 2024, South Africa's GDP is expected to be over 7 trillion rands, that's over $400bn. Where will you be in 2024?

Let's just say you wouldn't know honor even if it hits you on the face.
Disagreeing with someone intellectually doesn't make me dishonorable.
Getting something wrong doesn't make me dishonorable.

Let begin with basic here
A code of honor or honor code is generally a set of rules or ideals or a mode or way of behaving regarding honor that is socially, institutionally, culturally, and/or individually or personally imposed, reinforced, followed, and/or respected by certain individuals and/or certain cultures or societies.

What would pass for honor here in Naira is already enumerated in the code of conduct here

But generally, I expect someone to engage in SOUND ARGUMENTATION.

You make an argument - please try to back it up - if possible, with data - showing its truthfulness and its validity.

Don't degenerate to the Ghanian mad cow who just say anything.

When it comes to comparing who is more dishonorable - I don't think Kenya can match Nigeria - and everyone knows that.

Some truism don't need long argumentation.

obaaderemi:
What honour have you got, R I P? Kenyans have their bad eggs just like everyone else, Even with your small population. You are generally lazy and corrupt. Kidnapping is widespread in Kenya and your politicians lead the way in corruption.

Ecuador is not even an African country and it has a visa free agreement with Nigeria. So what are you celebrating?

Sure Nigeria has it's bad eggs too but we have many good people as well and we frown upon bad behaviour. We don't rent our wives out like you. You, R I P, were here a few pages ago celebrating such things. How's that for Code of honour?

Just look at your post here, saying being able to dupe someone is now a virtue in Kenya. That's right, Kenyans are thieves. But saying it's a Nigerian thing is deflection and running away from the truth. That's a total lack of honor.

You argue blindly with everyone even when you know you are wrong. Take for instance your argument with the South African. For 6 years you've been shouting about catching up with south Africa and morroco. You're still far behind. Yet you continue arguing, saying South Africa will still be at the same level in ten years time while you catch up with them. Does that make sense to you? So the whole world would standstill for you. How's that for lack of honor?

Okay hunting boer - here is what your own gov thinks - South Africa Treasury 2022 MTBPS

START from SOUTH AFRICA TREASURY own projections.
All treasuries do something called budget medium term review - and they project gdp growth for like 5yrs
Last I checked south africa looked digitall - 01010101 - zero growth then 1 percent then back to zero growth.

Like I said pick any LATAM country and read more about middle class trap.

And stop being angry at me; I am the just a messenger; I got nothing to do with South Africa aneemic growth.

jl115:
can you read?



It's a simple request.... Either you can prove your point with a simple growth projection which many legitimate institutions do or you stfu because you are talking absolute tripe

Angry boer start from your own treasury data - for real projections of the medium term

https://www.treasury.gov.za/documents/mtbps/2022/default.aspx

This misplaced Boer anger really should be re-dericted to ANC and the blacks in south africa.
Those are the people you reckon are responsible for this sacrilegious mess.

You're looking for some odd prediction or projections.
1st projections or prediction are incredibly hard things to do.
Whoever did that prediction -pwc - must be hidding now - seeing how South Africa has totally collapsed the last 12yrs.

Now let look at medium term prediction.
This you can find in South Africa Treasury data
And you can also find in Kenya Treasury data.

Medium is the next 5yrs.

Without checking data - Kenya will be 200B economy.

South Africa from your own treasury data - will be at 400B.

And it's called the middle class rut or trap. You hit it in 2010.

Some of us were here in 2016 when Obaboon was claiming kenya 60B budget was over-estimated and should be 30B

Now we are almost 120B - and he has learnt to shut up.

jl115:
Are you ret@rded? I said show me a projection from a legitimate institution not thumb suck figures.... Now go or stfu

The angry hunter Boer
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-06/surprise-growth-makes-south-africa-s-economy-bigger-than-before-pandemic-struck?leadSource=uverify%20wall

South Africa’s economy is bigger than before the coronavirus pandemic struck, after growing faster-than-expected in the third quarter on increased farm output.

Gross domestic product expanded 1.6% in the three months through September, compared with a contraction of 0.7% in the previous quarter, Statistics South Africa said Tuesday in a report released in the capital, Pretoria. The median of 12 economists’ estimates in a Bloomberg survey was for growth of 0.4%. The economy grew 4.1% from a year earlier.

Full-year growth may also surprise on the upside. The central bank forecasts an expansion of 1.8% and the National Treasury 1.9%. For the nine months through September, an early indicator of where full-year growth may land, GDP grew by 2.3% from last year.

unadjusted real GDP. Now get us real gdp. If we use your logic kenya GDP growth will end the year at 30% - we are already 11% plus 5.5%

Dont hope for another 4% - that was covid recovery from -4 percent.

South Africa Economic Snapshot - OECD
GDP is projected to grow by 1.7% in 2022, 1.1% in 2023, and 1.6% in 2024.
Private consumption and investment will remain the main drivers of growth.

You can predict 0-1% for the next decade like the previous decade.

jl115:
just stfu and read: I was talking year on year

https://www.google.com/amp/s/businesstech.co.za/news/finance/649255/big-surprise-for-south-africas-economy/amp/

Look like Nigeria exported it to Ghana and soon Kenya is joining the list.

. No you dont add up quartely growth
You average out.
South Africa growth this year will be about 1.5%
Kenya had 11% 1st Q, then slowed down to 5.5% in 2nd half; I dont think we have 3rd quarter data yet,
But general projection is around 6-7% - deepening on the 3rd and last q.

South Africa 1st q - 1.9% then slowed down to 0.7% - that averages out to 1.3%. Look like you had 1.6% 3rd q that was released this week. That mean you're doing 1.5%. We will get last Q results somewhere mid feb-march - and we can declare the 2022 growth.

Remember the growth is measured against last year quarterly data - not subsequent quarter. So this 1.6% 3rd quarter is not against 2nd Q but against last year 3rd Q.

jl115:
read the bolded:



FYI it was 1.6% for the quarter not tge year... Learn to understand simple economic terms... Year on year growth is 4. 1%

You have no honour obabboon as person and as region. That is why almost everywhere you have poor reputation. You're pathological liars with no moral compunction. Kenya and kenyans have generally good reputation as hardworking people who follow the law. That is why Dubai excluded kenya from African list of bans and South Africa has allowed visa free entry. If you go to Qatar - the entire airport is run by Kenyans.

Got this from twitter just right now


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Being able to dupe someone has become a virtue in KE. In business dealings, politics, relationships etc.
This was only a thing in Nigeria back in the day.
Today ppl are reading Art of War, 48 laws of power etc and believe being duplicitous is intelligence .

obaaderemi:
Code of Honour, my little Indian. I thought the first one was a mistake. Clearly you are ignorant. Why should we take you seriously?

Explain this tiny image that is barely visible.
And if someone made projection in 2010 without knowing your ship had hit an iceberg, they are now very wrong.
I think South Africa will be where it is in 10yrs. Medium term projection is 0-1% growth for next 5yrs. That takes us to 2028.
I don't see anything that will radically change.
In fact, these days South Africa celebrate 1.5% growth - like this year - with record export earnings from all the minerals.
South Africa been sick economically since 2010 together with Nigeria (2014).
You're likely to regress further than grow - now you have eskom , record unemployment, crime continues to get out of hand.

Kenya GDP will likely triple from 120 to 360B like it has done the last decade. I dont see why not.
Kenya pulled 7.5% recovery from covid last year and will accelerate this year by 6.5% despite being tough year - of drought & election- (already 1st half we had 6% growth - 1st Q was 11%)
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/press-release/2022/12/08/kenya-s-economic-recovery-remains-strong-although-slowed-by-drought-and-inflation

And next year 2023 I see growth charging forward.

jl115:
just stfu with your "thumb suck" nonsense and till me where is Kenya in 2050?

All these have been done in Kenya for donkeys' years since 1900. Hemmingways the great American author was in Kenya in 1910s. American president Rossevelt. Churchil. Almost 1/4 the National Geographic shot in kenya. Many hollywood movies shot in kenya.

Kenya or TZ or South Africa or name it - well sold - problem is nobody can afford it except the rich.

Kenya and Africa tourism (leave summer bunnies coming to vist their mother and f.ck your local girlfriend in local lodges) has big problem

It's seen and it is very expensive - and is only for the very rich white or now some asian folks.

Majority of say European tourist - fly to destination costing 50 dollars for flight - mostly within their continent - or to Asia. Thailands and rest of Asia are dirty cheap. North Africa benefit because its near Europe.

South Africa receive 10 million tourist - 8million plus are Africans.

There are only two ways out of this - make Africa a low-cost destinations - and secondly encourage domestic or africa tourism - 50:50 for sustainable industry;

To be low cost we have to borrow from Asians - the Thailands and the rest. We have to open tourist sector for small budget hotels. We also have to work on reducing airline tickets in Africa. It very expensive to fly in Africa - because of taxes, lack of airports and then lack of customers (compound the problem).

Counting summer bunnies as tourism is good feel nonsense.

Flying to Africa has to be fixed. Africa free airspace is start - but there is long way to go. Until it dirty cheap to fly - no tourist will spend 2,000 dollars for air ticket alone - and if they do - it normally a once in a lifetime opportunity.

Flight - and cost of lodges - to stay in many of these lodges cost even 1,000 dollars a night - some animal park entry fees is 200 dollars per person - end of day - it become a product for the rich or those who save for long time - not vacation destination like it is for summer bunnies.

Thailand and rest of south asia - you can get decent places for even 20 dollars a night.

obaaderemi:
You are right. It's the vibe. That's what Kenya is missing. They have great natural sights but they don't know how to make money from them. They just want to leave everything in the hands of foreigners.
Like I opined on the other thread years ago, epic movies and great documentaries can be made in Kenya that could shake up Hollywood but Kenyans don't have the vibe like you said. Nor do they have an entertainment industry rich enough for such. The role these things play in forex exchange earnings can not be overemphasized. Look at the lion King for instance.

West Africa has many carnivals and shows that attract many people yearly. West Africa is the home of vibe. Nairaland for instance.

Youre stuck with one projection like KaziKazi of Tanzania How desperate?

jl115:
just stfu with your "thumb suck" nonsense and till me where is Kenya in 2050?

Every country has their methodology of who a tourist is....and what constitute tourism. Always start from common sense test. Smell it, see it, feel it.

If you feel kenya tourism is ahead of Ghana like common sense says; stop.

Ghana fails the common sense test in many things.

we cannot go to data when you fail eye test.

You cannot look like chicken coop or your town look shietty and claim we are doing great HOW NOW?

If you land in developed country - immediately at airport - you know it - they dont print GDP per capita or data - you see it; you touch it; you feel it.

If you land in Accra - I am told you smell it - the smell of human raw waste - pungent smell - you immediately know you've landed in a shiet hole right from the airport.

Just40:
Since when did diaspora become Ghanaians?

Or you don't know who the diaspora is?

Find another excuse for why Ghana smoke your country in tourism

LOL

Just40:
Now you're escaping to domestic tourism meanwhile Kenyans dont even go on tour.

Bars, lounge, restaurants in Ghana gets full every evening and weekends begins on Fridays.. Most hotels, guest houses and Airbnb gets fully book for weekends

Good luck surpassing that, there's a reason why everyone loves night life in Ghana.

Now we can proceed. Let us try to elevate this MAD HOUSE to something we can all benefit from.Otherwise if we just heckle ; we all lose; Personally I fell I have so much knowledge to share; that I have painstakingly gathered; it frustrating when african resort to monkey games on serious stuff.

Look at Ghana - 5yrs ago - I said - youre gonna go bankrupt and crush a generation.

They immediately think I hate Ghana why would I hate Ghana What has Ghana done to me? Nothing? This country that like Zambia you can admire as democratic Africa country but the more you dig in - the more you understand their fiscal indiscipline and imprudence.

Why would I hate South Africa.

If you cannot take National or Country level criticism; pray can your personal feedback from your supervisor?

Is South Africa in a middle class rut like LATAM. yES YES Yes. That is a fact that data at least from 15yrs now is screaming. The country is unable to move forward or back. It stuck. It is almost default position for many upper middle class...that is why from 4,000 it goes all the way to 12,00 to become developed...per capita...it very difficult for countries to graduate to developed world. The whole of South America it was only Argentina and later Chile...despite being near US.

Are other countries going to graduate from low middle income to upper middle income - of course - Kenya is one of them. They will find south africa stuck.

For South Africa to follow Mauritus footstep it need to do alot of things - first is serious education reform.

One way you could tell Mauritus were heading to developed world - their education quality was highest - kenya followed - that mean their people can easily transition to HIGH IQ stuff that developed or advanced economy demands.

Hunting BOER - we are growing if you use the RAND -- hehehe - A Bonobo BOER. Growth is so broad based whatever you use - should be obvious. South Africa gdp is stuck at 350-400B dollars the last 10yrs plus. Nothing suggest anything will change.

jl115:
my bru even if we take the 51 million you speak of, your growth rate is still substantially higher than ours....you still overtaking us in about a decade my friend....

As for the bolded.... I'm the only one that actually cited my sources, so please stop with "I use official sources"

Even their gov knows they are babies in tourism. I hear they are hiring kenya hoteliers...who are in demand through out Africa and even outside.

Kenya Utalii College is set to train Ghana’s #hospitality & #tourism personnel in an initiative that is geared towards boosting the country’s customer service.This formed part of discussions between KUC led by the Principal & CEO Mr. Hashim Mohamed & a delegation from Ghana led by Dr. Ibrahim Mohammed Awal, Ghana's Minister for Tourism, Arts & Culture.

Monkey say. Monkey do.

Just40:
A week at most

Let it show in your tourism receipts

Chartered flights land here daily

Underwhelming. Kenya domestic tourism alone dwarf entire west africa.

Just40:
Cry more

We will still keep earning more from tourism than Kenya.


December Event line up for Accra

That's a packed month

Their nascent tourism has employed kenyan from the world famous Utalii college to help them. They have a long way to go. It sacreligious to compare any west africa country with kenya tourism. South africa yes they are ahead. North Africa definitely ahead.

NTSA:
Interesting ..how many days are they spending in Ghana.. anyway Just yesterday two chattered flights full of tourists landed in Mombasa.

After you see the slave dungeons, you're likely to need a bar to drown your sorrows and a fancy restaurant to digest the horror of slavery. That is pretty much their tourism. Their ocean front is a sewage dump.

NTSA:
You mean tourist come to spend money in some restaurant and bars

I know you have the same moral standards of west africans.
You dont need to argue over these kinds of figures. Let argue over theories.
KNBS did census - and they do projections - including GDP data.
https://www.knbs.or.ke/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/2022-Economic-Survey1.pdf

AfriqueDuZuid:
Nope you are Kenya is 55m in 2022

Interms of gdp you 114 n we 420 in 2022

Slum dog, this debate is beyond your paygrade, let the hunting Boer respond. Kenya population at last count was 47.5m and now projected to be anything 51-52m.

I know you're dying to be overtaken by population - but kenya is keen in overtaking you GDP wise.

Uganda is definitely overtaking you population wise

AfriqueDuZuid:
1. Kenya population is at 55m in 2022, making 5m difference not 10m

Kenya population growth is twice that of SA in 5-8 years Kenya should be just as equal

#1) Demographic transition.
Generally, the more adults you have to kids; the more savings/investments/workers - and less the dependancy - and that is when a country really starts to grow. You cannot grow when you're busy feeding kids, building schools for ever increasing kids, hospitals and such - families and gov all busy child rearing - and hardly have any money left to save or invest in other things.

Once you have something like China - 1 child policy - eventually meant 4 people (grand parents & parent) looking after 1 child - you grow very rapidly - the 1 child is well fed, well schooled, name it - and the parents still have money to rake up savings, invest in properties, save for pension - gov has the money to build roads & railways.

That is story behind China and South Asia success.

In most of SSA africa - the situation is different - you have 2 parents - taking care of 5-10 kids and other dependants - that person can hardly save anything - as it's hand to mouth living - all activities geared toward feeding, clothing, educating kids - gov similarly spend almost all the budget on education, healthcare for same and hardly anything left.

It's almost trite that a country cannot develop when fertility rate is still more than 2%.

Kenya is soon joining South Africa, Botswana, Namibia in that 2% fertility - because of huge investment in contraceptive and family planning.