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Behind Dangote - is Indians; So all your biggest company Dangote cement, sugar, oil, fertilizers; are managed and run by Indians. Dangote daughters and sons just run the accounts and the foundations.

There many black kenya business men whose business have expanded -example no is Humphrey Kariuki - with many business in downstream oil (dalbit - run petrol operations in 10 countries), power stations in Uganda (24MW), Zambia (105Mw) and Mozambique (250MW).

There are way too many black kenyans doing great stuff in the region. Unlike the lazy and indolent South Africans - or the criminal minded Nigerian - Kenyans are hardworking and resourcefull go-getters who do their things with minimal noise.

obaaderemi:
Name the biggest companies in Nigeria, none belongs to an Indian. Yet we have more Indians in Nigeria than Kenya. They dominate your manufacturing, retail, etc. They're even the richest people in Kenya.

The bulk of dangotes workers are Nigerians, not Indians. Indians do not only dominate your industries, you even tout them as your success story. You can't talk about Kenyan businesses outside Kenya without pointing at the Indians. They've colonized not only your land but your minds.

30yrs is long time not to make adjustment. The reality the black SA is not working on their weakness - they remain lazy, indolent and un-
educated.

It's in Nigeria where Indians dominate - not Kenya. Your entire manufacturing and even retail is held together by a million indians. Kenya has about 50K indians - and their dominance only exist in manufacturing - and that too is declining very fast.

Dangote alone annually ship in what maybe 30,000 indians - and you still allow him lots of state protectionism - so he can hire more indians.

Then Nigeria about 30,000 travel to India for medical and educational purposes..

You're more colonized by India than Kenya ever was.

obaaderemi:
It's not the same thing. You didn't suffer apartheid. Men were separated from their families and many children and women were sent to "homelands". It was terrible. The whole thing crumbled only in 1990. Most of the blacks are just coming to terms with the new status quo.

But what is the excuse for Indians dominating you in business in Kenya?

South Africa is generally ahead of kenya but the gap is closing pretty fast. 10yrs ago the gap was 10 times big; now it's merely 3 times; another decade; there wont be any gap. Unless the majority blacks wake up - South Africa is stuck.

jl115:
So you are saying Kenyan blacks can't compete with South African blacks or whites ..... We've heard it here first folks... Rvp admits Kenyans are below all SAns...

Yes their are transformation targets which the government would ideally want the national team to be like, however they cannot be inforced since international bodies will ban SA if they made qoutas mandatory hence the teams have always been chosen on merit..... Except for Temba Bavuma...

Cameroun bow out with some respect after beating Brazil. Now all hopes on Senegal and Morocco.

I saw tears all over. Men should not cry except in their close relative mourning. Who died? Even TV dude was weeping. Your Ghanians really are weak. You need to toughen up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izJRMdD58pE

Just40:
Fortunately Ghanaians are very happy....

We've finally built a team and already have a coach that can manage them to dominate African football for the next 20 years because they're all young.

No!! Kenyans have different economic and sporting enviroment from South Africa or Namibia.
You cannot measure Kenyans by Black South African standards. That racism.
You measure them by white South African standards.
They are born and live in the same country like a Boer and should attain the same standards that obtains in RSA.
Not in kenya. What is possible in Kenya is different - we dont for once have gazillions of minerals.
Kenya kid should equally compete with any kenyan of any race first - before we compete with South Africa.

It like us telling ethnic Somalis that they are okay despite the discrimination & marginalization they undergo because look fellow Somalis in Somalia have an even worse deal. Or turkanas in kenya are better than those in South sudan.

And please dont lie

By the latest transformation targets, on average about 6 players of color, including 2 black African cricketers should be in the playing XI. Not only that, but the transformation target is also implemented all throughout South Africa's cricketing system, from age-level groups to senior internationals.

The South African government and the SARU have an agreement that 50 per cent of the Springboks team at the 2019 World Cup should be black.

jl115:
Our Rugby team is chosen on merit.... You don't win a world Cup with qoutas...

As for the rest, well black SAns earn twice as much as you and the SAn Black Middle class is several times larger than yours so yeah....take away us Whities you feel so inferior to then you still miles behind SA in everything...... An all black springbok side would put 150 on the best Kenyan rugby side

Yes that was point. The xhosa weak khoisan was demeaning kenya which has really tried - and equating it with Uganda - while their gov has to force the Boers to include black players in the team - force them to hire black people - name it. In fact the black players are mostly affirmative pick - they won't make the cut it if Boer had his way.

The Boer here at least acknowledge the great strides kenya indigenous rugby has done.

Shma2022:
I am not anti-diversity! I like the intermingling. However, that was not my point. Here is my point; SA is good in sports, yes. Don't come demeaning other Nations based on your performance. Especially if you're a lazy Khoisan like you.

In every sector indigenous black Kenyans have worked their way up to compete with formerly privileged Asians and Whites; I am doubtful the Azian here is making any progress down in South Africa.

And I think that elephant in room when you look at South Africa - for how much longer will the boer dominate the slum dweller here?

We cannot just sweep everything under the rug - elephant in room in South Africa rugby is the boer continued dominance.

In the apartheid era, rugby was racially segregated with blacks barred from representing the Springboks.

I suggest they should even change the team name from Springboks to something Shaka Zulu Boys.

obaaderemi:
The Indian dude is the only industrialist of note in little India. They can't talk without mentioning him.

Africans team should really work on their mentality - otherwise all the talent continue going down the drain - and it just tears in Ghana now

From kenyan forum - African teams have to work on their mindset - there is no dearth of talent

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Africans are a waste of space in this tournament. There was a time I would be excited thinking they might pull off something. The only African team I am looking out for is France .

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The brainwashing at work . Senegal just didnt have a finisher . Then it was clear from word go they were playing a Counteroffensive game.
No matter what we should support our African teams . Its my hope Senegal advances they have the potential. Unfortunately Mane was injured but still they have a good team.
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Mane would have made no difference. I have seen hugely talented African teams fall to otherwise untalented teams one too many times to be bothered. I would love to be pleasantly surprised, but I'd rather not go through the agony of *kukaza mkundu* for a group of guys that just don't share the same passion and interest to bother showing up.
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You see having lived and travelled in different capitals of this world , I ve interacted with lots of Africans who live in Western world and feel they are locals there and look down upon fellow Africans . Termie you are one of them . This has become evident by your blind support of Western Nations and NATO in the Ukrainian cities.

Senagal just like Spain in 2010 Worldcup made some tactical blunders hope they will learn from it. We need to rally our African teams this time around our target should be Semi Finals . Will be here , cos I have the final ticket. Unlike in Russia 4 years ago when I sold my Semi Final ticket when Russia lost penalties against Croatia , Mimi sibanduki……

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If you are dumb enough to hop on a train that the players themselves won’t, be my guest. Senegal et al are hugely talented and a waste of space. I’ll pick Laos in a game against them, because Laos would show up.
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Senegal's game yesterday was a perfect example of how nyeuthi gets distracted,after playing well for 90% of the game they lost concentration I could tell very early in the game senegal would concede last minutes, all african nyeuthi team have this weakness in mind, But for some reason Senegalese are the worst. I think its baafrica gene.

They start celebrating or feeling relieved early and just start to mail it in. In early 2000s, I followed Senegal's exploits all the way to quarter finals with baited breath. In that last game it was obvious they had been celebrating all of the previous night. Turkey which I thought should be no match, made quick work of them. I learned my lesson with humility.

Thats true with baafrica
But if Kalenjins knew how to play football or team sports they would be unbeatable they really have a strong will power to be able to run for marathons and stuff the mind is key.


South Korea sleepwalking into round of 16 beating Portugal 2-1. Uruguay desperately trying to max goals against Ghana(last in the group). Like mentioned, Africans are brimming with talent, but total waste of space.

The Black star all the best. Let me watch you get arse-whopping.

Rhamtons have even long history..their factory is in Nairobi mombasa road..they have been making these products for two decades now.

Some products made in kenya - MIka makes household electronics

They pretty much make everything you need in your kitchen and house

Definitely the biggest manufacturing company to ever emerge from Kenya and spread worldwide is Chandaria's Comcraft. The conglomerate started in Momabasa kenya has manufacturing plants in almost all 50 Africa countries, several in Asia, Europe and American continent.

And it still run by ever humble Manu Chandaria from his office in Nairobi.

They basically run Nigeria manufacturing.

Chandaria Group of six companies engaged in Steels, Metals, FMCG & Engineering products in Nigeria. Companies in the Group - 1) Midland Galvanising Products Ltd., in manufacturing Steel Roofing Sheets, 2) Midland Rolling Mills Ltd., in Steel Rolling Milling, 3) Hoesch Pipes Mills Nigeria Ltd., in manufacturing Steel Pipes, Z-purlins, Wire Mesh etc., 4) Tower Galvanising Products Ltd., producing Steel & PVC Pipes, 5) Industrial Mineral Products Ltd. in manufacturing of PVC Pipes, Cement & PVC Ceilings, 6) Architectural Products Ltd. engaged in manufacturing Foam Blocks, Mattress & Engineering Products. Combined Group turnover estimated Naira 35 bn. with employee strength of more than 500.

Name any type of manufacturing - kenya companies are one doing it in the region.

Almost all the electrical cables bar cheap chinese ones in east and south africa are made by East Africa Cables.

East African Cables is a premier cable manufacturer, with a footprint that spreads across East and Central Africa. The company has four manufacturing facilities; two in Nairobi, Kenya, one in Dar es Salaam Tanzania and one in Eastern DRC. In addition, EAC is present in Uganda, Rwanda, Burundi, Southern Sudan and Ethiopia, through a distribution network.

Outside South Africa's breweries - SAB - Kenya's East Africa Breweries is the second biggest.

Its brewing companies boast some of the most popular beer brands in their respective markets which include Guinness, Tusker Lager, Serengeti Premium Lager and Bell Lager. These brands cover six East African countries which consist of Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, South Sudan, Rwanda and the Democratic Republic of Congo.Jun 3, 2020

Bidco Africa, previously Bidco Oil Refineries Limited (BORL), is a multinational consumer goods company headquartered in Thika, Kenya with subsidiaries and distributorships across 17 countries in East Africa, Central Africa, and Southern Africa.[1] Its products include edible oils, fats, margarine, laundry bars and detergents, personal care products, animal feeds and most recently, Food and Beverages.[2] Bidco Africa owns over 40 brands and is the largest producer and marketer of consumer goods in the region.[3]

Very good reply I found in Skyscrapper city explaining why Kenya is regional manufacturing giant - to really get extend of kenya manufacturing you might have to add up almost many Africa countries manufacturing because they are mostly done by kenya companies subsdiaries including entire west africa roofing by the comcraft congolemerate.


Kenya is a leading producer of consumer goods in the region, regularly being the largest (or 2nd after Egypt) exporter of such goods to COMESA countries. A large proportion of exports to Eastern and Southern Africa are products like fats, vegetable oils, dairy products, flour, soaps, detergents, perfumes, insectcides, margarines, toileteries, cosmetics, toothpastes etc. These products are largely produced by domestic concerns. BIDCO has factories and warehouses in 16 African countries, Kapa in 12 countries, Pwani in 11, Menengai in 9. Unilever (MNC) produces goods localky for markets in Ke, Tz, Rw, Ug, Burundi, Zambia and Malawi in Kenya, with production of many of its leading products (eg blue band) usually outsourced to local firms like orbit and excel.

The Kenyan textile industry is rapidly growing. Last year, about $350m worth of textiles were exported to the US under AGOA. There were also a significant portion of toiletries, cosmetics, perfumes, toys and sports requisites sold under AGOA to the US, totalling to $550m.

An emphasis also needs to be placed on tea. It is Kenya's largest export, but it isn't shipped out fresh coz it would all rot en-route. It's semi-processed by factories owned by farmers' SACCOs in the production regions. I think the world's largest tea factory is one such plant.

There are manufacturing products, many times exported to largely Eastern and Southern Africa that deserve separate categories. These are
cement - largely from locally owned plants. Stuff like tiles, ceramic toilets, melamine cups and plates, etc that are sold throughout the EAC are usually either Kenya, Chinese, Indian or lately Tanzanian (tiles).
iron and steel - recycled from scrap, but an iron ore smelting and steel rolling mill is u/c in Kenya's coal rich south. Kenya is the leading supplier of iron roofing, rebar steel, stainless steel and many other steel articles to all EAC countries except DRC.
Glass - All forms of glass sold in Kenya, and a significant portion exported to the East, Central and South Africa are locally produces. From wind screens, to safety glass, to tower glass cladding, to glass cups and plates, to glass bottles used by Coca-Cola all over the region, etc.
automobiles and their parts - something like 90% of all light commercial vehicles in Kenya are locally assembled (matatus, Almost all isuzu, Mitsubishi, and hino truck brands), the bodies of most heavy commercial trailers in the EAC are fabricated in Kenya by local firms. Replacement parts like air filters, carburettors, etc are locally produced and exported as far south as Zambia. Kenya has even started exporting chloride exide car batteries to Ghana under the AFCTA.
Electronic products - almost all electronic cables, a leading refrigerator brand (mika), a leading brand of light bulbs, stuff like iron boxes, etc are locally produced or assembled. An interesting note, Kenya's Transcentury dominates the electronic cables markets in Kenya (East African cables), Tanzania (East African cables Tz), DRC (Cableries du Congo), Uganda (Tanalec and EACl ke) Zambia (Tanalec) and is a big player in South Africa (Kewberg cables and braids in Jo'burg) which also serves Nam & Zim And it still owns one of the largest logistics firms in the region (civicon), is the largest shareholder in a mid-tier bank (development bank of Kenya), and owns one of Africa's largest manufacturer of weigh scales (Avery)
pharmaceutical products - mostly generic products sold throughout the EAC, malawi and Zambia. Kenyan brands are the 3rd most common in the region after Indian and Chinese imports, with local brands such as Mara moja, kaluma, quinin, AL being household names in some areas.
Plastics - the likes of Nairobi bottlers produce all Coca-Cola plastic bottles used in East, central and parts of Southern Africa. The likes of Kenpoly, Adix, Teepee, Kpipes, etc, dominate the market for plastic chairs, brooms, cups, plates, stools, drainage pipes, water pipes, etc all over the EAC.
There's also a budding machine goods production scene in Kenya. All hammer (posho) mills, roller mills, a significant portion of fully automatic milling plants of up to 15 t/day capacity, oil presses of put to 10t/days capacity, oil refineries of up to 500kg/hr capacity, rice mills of up to 15t/day, animal feed mills and mixers, water pumps, irrigation systems, stone crushers, borehole drilling machines etc used in Kenya and in some instances exported to the EAC are locally manufactured In places like Kariobangi, Baba Dogo, Lusaka rd etc. Their motors are imported from China though.
Then there's the jua kali sector that fabricates metals. All wheelbarrows, hoes (both hand held and tractor towed), metal suitcases used by high school students, grills for roasting nyama choma & mshikaki, egg and sausage trolleys, popcorn roasting machines, chips friers, etc sold in Kenya, as well as a substantial portion sold throughout the EAC are a product of the jua kali sector. I just wish the government could finance their expansion through incubation programs.
If asked, I'd say Kenya needs to solve the issues of high corruption, high electricity costs, high port charges, unproductive road blocks and more importantly, achieve a broader access to cheaper finances. Increasing the rolling stock on rail lines would also remove the clog on roads as well as lower freight costs. So many small businesses going on in manufacturing and every other sector that could benefit from these.

You really cant round off humans to nearest decimal point. Those white boys are very rare in kenya rugby. I think that is some random day..not representative of kenya rugby. Maybe the juniors - just off high school - you can get few such.

jl115:
The point is your white population is 0.1% yet your squad is 20% White..... Understand?

We keep telling them in Africa sports - South Africa, Egypt and Kenya - are in other league. Kenya is almost always up there in almost everything because we are functioning country. Not a zoo.

gallivant:
Nov 26

Kenya hosted the Triathlon Africa Cup. So much for geography!!

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For long time white man theory was African (Ghanian) could only do sprints because it was easy - like Ghanian sitting under a coconut tree waiting for coconut to fall. You just sprint 100m or 400m max. And you're out. If they ask you to run 800m or more youre too lazy or even afraid you might die in the process.

All you do in 100m is to give it your all - power through - no time for strategy.

From 800M it start becoming difficult because you have to strategize...heck 800M is most difficult because it btw sprinting and strategizing...it becomes very technical and you need discipline.

The rest takes lot more discipline, pacing yourself, watching the clock, training harder and name it.

vaxx:
To the idiot who keeps measuring west africa standard. Jamaica are the best in sprinter and majority of jamaican are from west africa ( Ghana precisely.


If west africa currently are not dominating it now , it doesn't mean we don't have the capacity, we just don't consider entertaining enough to spend our resources and time like world most popular sport ( football) .

Of course you're out because your theory that long distance running is easy is completely wrong. Short distance running is easy. Football is easy

obaaderemi:
End of Discussion!
Thank you for posting this, R I P. I'm out of this silly argument since you already capitulated. Everything else is grasping at straws by you.

What is geographically unique in kenya and Ethiopia? That other countries dont have including in the region?

obaaderemi:
Naturally your people are lazy and unintelligent. Why do you think you don't do well in other sports?

R I P, it's all geography. That's why long distance running is no longer competitive. There's nothing to it. Just putting one leg after another. See what science found out here.



Geography, geography and geography. Nothing inventive. Shame.

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/kipchoge-keino-is-africas-best-332265

The father of African and Ethiopian distance-running was the legendary Abebe Bikila.

Running barefoot over the cobblestones of Rome in 1960, Bikila won the marathon. Four years later and barely three weeks after an emergency appendectomy operation, he retained his title and won by over four minutes.

The greatest African athlete, many believe, comes from Ethiopia's neighbour, Kenya.

It was not records nor titles that made Kenya's Kipchoge Keino the outstanding African athlete of this century, but the manner of his victories and of one race in particular that raised him above all others from the world's leading continent in distance running

obaaderemi:
Bikila, the man who opened the way. 1960 and 1964. Not some lazy unintelligent little Indians who had it in them due to geography but never knew they could do it.

You're inventing your own theories.
During Eugenics and Apartheid - including in Civil right movements.
Part of reason why Negro (west african to be precise because east african were uknown) were thought incapable
Was their total lack of running ability beyond 400m
Heck even in South Africa - it was the Boer who use to run - and African just couldnt.

It was well know for years that black man could not run long distance because he was lazy, cowardly and had no discipline.

Kenyan changed that perception.

And we did it by training with incredible discipline and commitment - by being very brave and couragous.

Running short distance is easy beezy. Try to train and run marathon at time kenyans run. It takes MONK like months of discipline.

The idea that middle- and long-distance running is easy is quite frankly borne out of kenya incredible success that has made it look easy

Running a marathon and dominating it like Eliud Kipchoge does is SUPERHUMAN. It's the ultimate test of the human physical and mental strength. Nobody trains like athletes. Nobody sacrifices like they do. Nobody is as brave as they are.

Obaboon by 200m you're about fainting - by 800m you're dead Kipchoge has just about not even started - he still need to go 42kms on hard tarmac at incredibly fast pace - less than a minute for 400m.

obaaderemi:
Ode, you will learn by force.

Bikila shocked them in 1960 then bested his own record in 1964, it was then your stupiid lazy forefathers realized they could win something at the Olympics
If west Africans were lazy it might interest you that as far back as 1936 Olympics blacks who were mainly of West African background had been beating the whites. So where you get your narrative of lazy blacks from is unclear. Don't just say Nonsense because you are losing an argument, R I P.

Long distance running is nothing. It's merely based on geography. That's why dirt poor countries like Kenya and Ethiopia can do well at it.

Bottomline: you have no sports in little India save the one geography gave you.

But to the wider public at the time, runners from east Africa were not considered serious contenders for middle-distance and distance medals. Although the Ethiopian Abebe Bikila had won the marathon in 1960 (famously running barefoot) and 1964, Kenya had only ever won one bronze medal, in the 800m in Tokyo, in 1964. Black runners may have been winning the sprints for years, but there was a belief at the time that distance running was more cerebral and so better suited to the supposedly more ‘sophisticated’ white runners from Europe and America.

https://www.runnersworld.com/uk/training/motivation/a34396756/kip-keino-1968/

This is the day Kipchoge turned middle- and long-distance running upside down. He was running against a great American legend Jim Ryun - and he was sick - but he shattered the field - the white man is still stumped.

World Record holder Ryun had won 47 straight 1500m./miles going into this race and in their previous meetings completely dominated Keino..The Kenyan,fearing Ryun's awesome last lap kick set off on a suicidal third lap of 58.1 seconds to try and nullify the threat and it worked a treat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_9AAy7yZTc

First athletics is huge competitive sports with many events; it just that kenyans are so good.
Ethiopia marathon runner Abebe Bikila was 1st African to win marathon but Ethiopeans didnt dominate - he was just a freak talent then.
Europeans continued to dominate althetics until 1968 olympics when legendary Kipchoge Keino arrived in the scene - shattering the field despite being sick.

"Kip Keino’s breathtaking 1500m gold at the 1968 Mexico Olympics sparked the rise of Kenyan running, challenged perceptions about race and inspired a generation around the world"

Thus, began Kenyan dominance.

Initially the white man had concluded that black or African had no discipline or mental toughness to run anything beyond 100m dash. That he is because they were used to west african lazy cowardly negro - who had no discipline, no mental toughness and no courage.

Like Kipchoge Keino - it would also take another Kenyan Obama to become US president - by just being incredibly smart and eloquent.

obaaderemi:
The long distance races are not competitive even way back, just a few countries dominated it until an Ethiopian (not a Kenyan ) shocked them.
So you have a silver medal in javelin. You are still behind Nigeria in terms of diversity of those medals. We have medals in athletics, long jump (gold), football (gold), taekwondo, canoeing, boxing, wrestling, weightlifting... Yours is not nearly as diverse. Like someone said you are a marathon country. No more no less.

Heck even in 100m and possiblye 200m - now Kenyans are winning all that - because we have strong sporting infrastructure that nurture talents - of various discipline

African record100 m in 9.77 s is held by Kenyan - Ferdinand Omanyala

Before kenyan won althetics - White use to dominate althetics - and thought blacks (I guess they had only see west african slaves) were incapable of running long distance - as they said it require more mental toughness that west african negro didnt have. For many 100m is just a quick dash...42km of marathon is ultimate test of human physical and mental strength.

It used to be a sport for nordic and germanic tribes of the whiteman.

As for general sports - kenya has won - all that.

Kenya won men 400m hurdles gold. Kenya has won Javelin. Kenya has won olympic boxing gold. Cricket we have reached semi finals in world cup.

Name any sports - you are NOWHERE compared to kenya.Only South Africa can speak.

obaaderemi:
Our sporting industry is far bigger than yours, from football to basketball to athletics.
And our manufacturing too is bigger than yours. You posted a chart to that effect yourself.

That woman that won a gold earlier this year brought joy to many Africans not only nigerians., because she set two world records the same night in a very competitive sports. We are not talking about the kind of sports where you compete mainly with African neighbours. Like the type of sports involving little Indians and skinny Ethiopians.

Show me a Kenyan that ever achieved that.
We've won Olympic medals in various sports more than Kenya. Yours were won in only long distance running and boxing. Which one again?

We've won in sprints, canoeing, football, long jump, boxing, weightlifting, wrestling. Sports is more diverse in Nigeria than in your shithole country. And it's also more lucrative here.

They are still discussing boxing posthumously - I guess their talents dried up at some point

gallivant:
Lmao!

Boxing is not DICK whover. It sports that need to sprout from schools, to amateur to proffesional. The evidence we have suggest Kenya is 2nd to South Africa in SSA - throw in Egypt and Algeria.

Nigeria you cannot even organize a cock fight btw you and fellow zoo Ghana.

obaaderemi:
So you needed to exploit the amateurish side of boxing before you could feel comfortable. When you discussed soccer, long distance, etc here we were talking about the professional level. Why are you falling back to amateur boxing nobody knows? Nigeria has produced more champions in professional boxing than you would ever produce.