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Attaining what? Kenya high school enrollment now is at 100% transition - 1st in Africa.

jl115:
I said "attainment rate"..............

You dont have argue. Listen to this girl from 4 minutes. She has done a very QUICK PISA on your education systems.

JUST LISTEN FROM 4 minutes....and see how you EDUCATION SYSTEM is complete failure...which PISA and other assessment have shown


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAQXi4gAj-U

Just40:
we are not a participant of Pisa ..

Except here in Ghana, it is not just few outliers ... But of the grand skill, our outcomes are performing far better globally..


Why are there not even a few outliers from Kenya?


Why do you guys performing so poorly ?

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jl115:
Show me Kenya...I want to see something

Your should look for kenyan girl and argue it out. From PISA and other test I have seen - your school systems is a complete total failure. Kids cannot read or write.

Just40:
The trotro driver is well educated to make him Excell in life and the line of business he choosed.
They are well educated to be some of the best engineers you'll meet.
That is what education should bring out of people.

The very trotro driver who can go to court and because he knows his rights and come out victorious.

That is the knowledge base educational system you'll meet in Ghana.


No Kenyan outcomes that are so dumb such that they can't even think for themselves... The results of it is out there

This is credible. Your education system is still on apertheid. Kids from Cape province are as good as Kenyans. The rest are terrible. These would place you right there with Ghana. TERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIBLE.

jl115:
The research was done by for credible organisations bru...just read the source material next time

Try find credible link like world bank slowpoke
https://datatopics.worldbank.org/education/wDashboard/dqlearningcnty

jl115:
stfu bru

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education-rankings-by-country

PISA you came last of last. The rest are giant stories. Few outliers are present in every country. Even in Central Africa - I am sure there are very smart kids.

Just40:
There are evidence everywhere with Ghanaian kids archiving the best and out performing the best of the world.

I'm maths and Science, Kenya kids couldn't even outperform Liberia let alone come to Ghana level.

Every year, Ghanaian kids go out there to compete with the best of the world in science and maths... Meanwhile your kids are stranded and basic algebra.

The evidence are all on YouTube.

Look dodgy. Find more credible data. Dont scrap the bottom of the barrel like Ghana

jl115:
Cool story bro

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education-rankings-by-country

SA - 32nd
Kenya 68th

You're still dumb if you dont understand that when measuring educational outcomes you're measuring the average outcome of all the kids - not few privelleges kids who go to few good schools.

If today Harvard university open a branch in South Sudan - would South Sudan have great education - because they have harvard?

jl115:
But I guess Kenyan kids get dumber as they get older since you don't have near the tertiary or even secondary attainment rates as SA

Same messed up logic that South African advance. It's education that equip your Troto driver to communicate clearly and think logically that we are interested in.

The kenyan girl admitted to have never met more dumb people that she did in Accra Ghana.

This is what education is about - you want to pick random kid in the streets - and see if they can read or do basic maths.

Just40:
Ghana's teachers whose students are performing superb globally with the best of the world verse Kenya where your teachers have failed you massively such that their students can't compete with even Tunisia let alone South Korea.


They failed you guys

This another evidence that your education is poor. Education asses the average kid. Not 2% of the kids who go to Cape University or Witzwatersrand. It's not the Elon Musky. It's average kid in Bantustan or Township. The one that cannot compete against immigrants for lowly jobs and has issues with Zim.

Yes Zim has good education - maybe 2nd to kenya.

jl115:
yeah sure...... remind me again which country produces the most tertiary graduates then after that tell me which country has the best Universities in Africa

Data speaks. You kids on average scored 250-300 in maths/reading skills half kenya.

There is evidence all over that kenya kids are smart and Ghana kids are dumb.

The Youtuber Ondigo nailed it in her video

Just40:
Yes Because Kenya is a big ZOO..

I couldn't believe that you were mass failing like that until I came across high school graduates and university graduates from Kenya ... That was when I decide to look up what mess you guys were compounding in your system to be churning out such poor results

There has been many long time series data that asses kids - on basic stuff like maths/reading skills - for years - Kenya has historically out perform in africa.

South Africa participate in PISA where they are normally last unless Ghana is included.

jl115:
This wasn't even research based on the actual curriculum and teaching quality.....you know this right?

Kenya kids are better than Ghana teachers when assesed. That I bet is true.

Just40:
Kenya can't even out compete Ghana, SA, Egypt, Tunisia and co on this continent in other for it educational model to be compared globally with the like of South Korea, Finland and co.


No wonder you guys are left to sloganeering

In short Rugby is not mainstream sport in South Africa - but a minority sport. In kenya is almost mainstream now in high school competing with football.

jl115:
9%.......and we are talking about a particular group of people that produce an exceptionally large amount of quality Rugby players....

I can also ask you if you find it odd that a little island New Zealand with 2 million people have dominated Rugby for the past 30 years like no other

Small country syndrome. We are not mini zoo.

Why would kenya copy from a counry where kids when assed dont even score 25% of reading or maths skills

Country that came LAST of last in PISA. Worse than South Africa.

Just40:
yet every constitution of Kenya have had to rely on Ghana input, every educational policy has relied on us, even your debt negotiations you had to rely on us.

It takes education to be at where we are, start educating your people properly

Kenya has the worse educational system on the continent right on the level of Liberia with mass failures and 100% transition

When it 95% black - come and talk.

jl115:
50% of the Springbok team is black........also your inferiority complex is showing

In a country that 5% is white you dont find that odd. The reality is rugby in South Africa is white man sports. In kenya it's black - and mainstream sport in high school.

Inferiority complex is what AfriqueZuid has - that makes him denigrate kenya team - while rugby south africa is white man minority sports.

jl115:
2019 World cup team had 7/15 non white players in the final....would've been 8 if Trevor wasn't injured.

Your inferiority complex is actually sad

Kenyans know their quality of education is okay. Kenyan kids on average outscores africa kids by far.

World Bank have all the data. On average - Kenya kids scores - TWICE - Ghana kids - when assessed. It's not even CLOSE.

Kenya has historical high quality of education. Quality has never been a problem.

Ghana look at you kids scoring less than half - 255 - that borderline retarded.


https://datatopics.worldbank.org/education/wDashboard/dqlearningcnty

Kenya has Africa highest education standards bar Mauritus. And this is backed by data. Ghana that got beaten blue by South Africa and came last last in PISA cannot teach Kenya anything education.

Just40:
Your policy direction came from us.. we lead you in everything education and that is why your policy makers had no option but to seek our input.

I don't need to impress you... Our outcomes are impressive enough and that is why, all throughout history, your country have had to depend on us.

Kenyan education can only be compared with Liberia education.. you guys have the same struggles.

South African education is better than Kenya's, Ghana education is better than Kenya's, Egypt education is better than Kenya and I can go on to list more.
When you meet outcomes from Nigerian educational system,mine o mine they are brilliant

The results from these educational models are evident enough... Outcomes from their system are excelling all over the world.

Mini zoo cannot teach kenya anything education wise. Youre like Tanzania who are happy if they ever get one article showing they are somewhere ahead of kenya. KaziKazi have those things hanged on his walls.

Kenya has Africa best HIC, africa best education and it would be sacrilegious for us to borrow from Ghana. Finland, Singapore and such yes.

Just40:
We have always been teaching you everything about education.... Even your current educational policy was drafted for you by us...
You're still depending on my ministers help to guide you guys through it implementation.

You can't even provide property desks and clean class rooms for your students and you think you'll attain something different like Finland from the mass failures you've been having ?
Make it make sense ..


Ghana is on it 6th or 7th educational reform

Idiots who paid 76B dollars in Gold for a white man not sit on some damn stool cannot tell me anything. Leave alone shipping the most slaves in Africa.

The fact that you enslaved millions of your own people make you the most useless of black race.

Just40:
We were only colonized in the in the 1900s meanwhile you guys have been under Arab and Chinese colonization since the 1200s.

The earliest schools set up here we're mostly set up by indigenous Ghanaians.

The pride I'm talking about has to do with achievements over the last 1000 years, how come Kenyans achieved so little?

You guys couldn't stop the Europeans taking over your lands, because you were educated, you couldn't frame any of your constitution because you had no education, you couldn't run your country until the Europeans came since the Arabs were only interested in sending 18 million luos, kikuyus, kambas, maasais and co to be slaves in Arabia

We are not using Ghana as benchmark for anything education because we already have Africa Best Education. So quit trying to impress us with your useless education - that is worse than South Africa.

Kenya already has Africa's best education bar Mauritus - and our focus really is an education systems that work for us while trying to become world class.

Just40:
There are plenty of failed schools in Kenya already...
Many of your high school can't manage to have at least 100 students because of lack of staff, poor infrastructure and poor performance..

Kenyan parents will rather send their kids to some far away boarding school and pay through their teeth than to have them in community schools with poor results.

You keep wondering why you society keep failing and so tribalistic .. and it all stem from the fact that your society is not enter mixing and you have not created Equity for all and you have failed at providing equal opportunities for all.

This is what Ghana thrives at and that is why our HDI is far higher than yours.
Inter mixing brilliant students from Montessori with those from public primary create room for better co learning environment and poor students manage to thrive.

We've done this with all our top schools, push 30% of poor performing students to them and by the time their 3 years is over, those 30% all become brilliant students and masters of their craft.

As far as I know the decision has not been made. All high schools have build extra class. But that is not ideal. I hope they remain in same prijmary school. Ruto will make the decision soon.

And there is nothing the Mini Zoo can teach Kenya on education.

This is our second curriculum transition. In 1980s we dumped the British System for 8-4-4 (American/Canada system) - and transition successfully. We are now dumping 8-4-4 for CBC model (this what progressive nations like Finland are using now).

Just40:
your minister says they are all going to senior high school and will make them day students... So you're going to have 1.5 million kids who trek for 10km to 20kms just to have an education.

Your country does not have the money to provide class rooms and teachers.


Ghana was able to do the same 2 streams some years back when we reformed from 3 years to 4 years and also back from 4 years to 3 years because we had lots of infrastructure at our various secondary schools.

We did it successful with quality even increasing

Your pride is being colonized since 15th century or what?
Kenya had no schools because it became a colony only in late 19th century - and that colonization lasted roughly 60yrs.
You got colonized for almost 500yrs and thats is hardly something to be proud of.
You became slave factory for centuries - had your gold shipped out for centuries...and what do you have to show for it.
Some high school?

Just40:
it has always been a girls high school whether the term existed then or not.
The British high schools formed in the 1600s and 1700s where all teaching the very same things.
Sewing, house keeping, religious studies, reading and writing

Basically, Kenyans did not have any form of education untill 1900s
That is why you guys have nothing significant of history

First you need to understand that current focus on boarding school is not right.
Then walk the journey to reconfigure your messed up education system
It wont be easy - it will take time to have good standard equal education in every village.
But it can be done.
Kenya is already at 70% day school; with only 30% boarding school;
There is still huge infrastructure mismatch btw day and boarding; but fact that gov fundeds 100% day school is great incentive.
We also const dev fund and other funds for building school infrastracture.
What remain is to come up with standard school package - that every school should at minimum have - and the extras people should be free to get them.
What would be a standard day school look like that provide quality education to kids at walking distance from their homes.
That should be the goal.
But Ghana you're still building huge model boarding secondary schools.
You gov has gone broke funding free boarding secondary schools.

https://www.myjoyonline.com/free-shs-it-does-not-make-sense-to-pay-for-people-to-go-to-boarding-school-free-kofi-bentil/
"According to him, 70 percent of government’s budget for the Free SHS policy is being spent on feeding students alone."
Just imagine instead of providing quality education - you're feeding kids - who can be fed at their homes.

Parents dont want you to feed their kids - they want you to provide excellent teachers, excellent teaching and non-teaching opportunities at schools, like in any elite school. If those schools are available in walking distance - who will take their kids 200 kilometres away?

mdntiri:
there's a policy here where 30% of admissions to the boarding schools is reserved for 'poor' students from the environs of the school. So that 'takes care' of poor people not getting admissions

You speak as if it's easy to just build day schools in EVERY village. How long must students wait for a school to be built near them so they attend? 10, 20 yrs?

What about issues of land availability, conducive location etc etc? Students would STILL have to pay for DAILY feeding/transportation as day students. It's cheaper where they're congregated in one place

Do you know the number of day students who 'opt' to become boarders during exams times especially so they benefit from the discipline/structured learning timetable/no disturbance environment etc of the boarding house?

Yes - and they have kinship ties - with fellow slaving kingdom of Ashanti. They make excellent slaves.

gallivant:
From my observations, it is a Yoruba thing. Very stupid cowardly folk.

I am not disputing HDI - but of course its not only or most important measure of development. HDI is UN (UNDP) take on human development - it has nothing on infrastructure or real estate or etc. That is why this thread continues every day. There are thousands of indicators of progress including PICTURE TEST.

You cannot claim to be developed and look like Ghana. Hell no. You should look like South Africa if you're a middle class. Kenya if you're lower middle class.

obaaderemi:
Picture challenge? Do you not sound stupidd to yourself? You just admitted earlier on today that you weren't disputing the fact that Ghana was better than Kenya.
Only your fellow little Indians take you seriously. You are worse than a yo-yo.

Must be a Yoruba thing - I have igbo friends and they have few choice words for Obaboon kind of folks. He has been sucking up to Northern Elite like Dangote who now basically own Nigeria.

gallivant:
You are being addressed now, not the Ghanaians.

We have the same thing in Kenya. This is nothing West Africa. This is British System. In kenya we are moving away from it. Nigeria you naturally moved away from it because everything basically broke down - and everyone had to stay in their village.

You cannot run boarding school with you level of incompetence.

In Kenya - folks who went to say Alliance High school or Starehe boys - or the 1,000 national school feel great pride -

It's nothing to be proud of - it shows access to quality secondary education is a privellege.

obaaderemi:
A little Indian like you will never understand these things. I was talking to a Ghanaian who is a fellow West African and undoubtedly understands.

The first secondary School in Nigeria was established in 1859, the oldest in Kenya came about half a century later. So, I can't discuss such lofty things with you.

We are objective. We were not sucking up. We had not see Ghana for what it is. When Kazi Kazi threw the picture challenges. I was the first one to say something is wrong.

Most kenyans including myself use to think highly of Nigeria. Heck I was even proud of Nigeria as progressive black country . I remember in 2010 or around when it took South Africa as largest economy. In my mind Nigeria was this oil giant - and I use to glean through their movies - and I saw the bad roads, villages and good houses - didnt really think much about Nigeria. I didnt even know they didnt have electricity.

Until I stumbled upon a thread written " Nairobi City". I think Gallivant use to keep it alive. And I was suprised by how suprised Nigerians were of Nairobi. If I recall - I had also read about some Nigerian senators or mps who came to Nairobi - and were suprised about how organized and clean it was.

Now when I read through that thread - I discovered the ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Nothing works. Electricity. Water. Sewage. Garbage. Cities look crap. This was mostly Nigerians who had been to Kenya or Nairobi talking down fellow Nigerians.

obaaderemi:
Sucking up to what Ghanaians? Have you forgotten how you and your brothers accepted on the other thread that Ghana was better than Kenya in a bid to keep the Ghanaians on your side? I still don't know at what point the Ghanaians turned against you and started hitting you mercilessly.

Your level in what exactly? Is it your poor grasp of literacy or your poor knowledge of numbers? It's as clear as crystal you are not brilliant.