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There has been many long time series data that asses kids - on basic stuff like maths/reading skills - for years - Kenya has historically out perform in africa.

South Africa participate in PISA where they are normally last unless Ghana is included.

jl115:
This wasn't even research based on the actual curriculum and teaching quality.....you know this right?

Kenya kids are better than Ghana teachers when assesed. That I bet is true.

Just40:
Kenya can't even out compete Ghana, SA, Egypt, Tunisia and co on this continent in other for it educational model to be compared globally with the like of South Korea, Finland and co.


No wonder you guys are left to sloganeering

In short Rugby is not mainstream sport in South Africa - but a minority sport. In kenya is almost mainstream now in high school competing with football.

jl115:
9%.......and we are talking about a particular group of people that produce an exceptionally large amount of quality Rugby players....

I can also ask you if you find it odd that a little island New Zealand with 2 million people have dominated Rugby for the past 30 years like no other

Small country syndrome. We are not mini zoo.

Why would kenya copy from a counry where kids when assed dont even score 25% of reading or maths skills

Country that came LAST of last in PISA. Worse than South Africa.

Just40:
yet every constitution of Kenya have had to rely on Ghana input, every educational policy has relied on us, even your debt negotiations you had to rely on us.

It takes education to be at where we are, start educating your people properly

Kenya has the worse educational system on the continent right on the level of Liberia with mass failures and 100% transition

When it 95% black - come and talk.

jl115:
50% of the Springbok team is black........also your inferiority complex is showing

In a country that 5% is white you dont find that odd. The reality is rugby in South Africa is white man sports. In kenya it's black - and mainstream sport in high school.

Inferiority complex is what AfriqueZuid has - that makes him denigrate kenya team - while rugby south africa is white man minority sports.

jl115:
2019 World cup team had 7/15 non white players in the final....would've been 8 if Trevor wasn't injured.

Your inferiority complex is actually sad

Kenyans know their quality of education is okay. Kenyan kids on average outscores africa kids by far.

World Bank have all the data. On average - Kenya kids scores - TWICE - Ghana kids - when assessed. It's not even CLOSE.

Kenya has historical high quality of education. Quality has never been a problem.

Ghana look at you kids scoring less than half - 255 - that borderline retarded.


https://datatopics.worldbank.org/education/wDashboard/dqlearningcnty

Kenya has Africa highest education standards bar Mauritus. And this is backed by data. Ghana that got beaten blue by South Africa and came last last in PISA cannot teach Kenya anything education.

Just40:
Your policy direction came from us.. we lead you in everything education and that is why your policy makers had no option but to seek our input.

I don't need to impress you... Our outcomes are impressive enough and that is why, all throughout history, your country have had to depend on us.

Kenyan education can only be compared with Liberia education.. you guys have the same struggles.

South African education is better than Kenya's, Ghana education is better than Kenya's, Egypt education is better than Kenya and I can go on to list more.
When you meet outcomes from Nigerian educational system,mine o mine they are brilliant

The results from these educational models are evident enough... Outcomes from their system are excelling all over the world.

Mini zoo cannot teach kenya anything education wise. Youre like Tanzania who are happy if they ever get one article showing they are somewhere ahead of kenya. KaziKazi have those things hanged on his walls.

Kenya has Africa best HIC, africa best education and it would be sacrilegious for us to borrow from Ghana. Finland, Singapore and such yes.

Just40:
We have always been teaching you everything about education.... Even your current educational policy was drafted for you by us...
You're still depending on my ministers help to guide you guys through it implementation.

You can't even provide property desks and clean class rooms for your students and you think you'll attain something different like Finland from the mass failures you've been having ?
Make it make sense ..


Ghana is on it 6th or 7th educational reform

Idiots who paid 76B dollars in Gold for a white man not sit on some damn stool cannot tell me anything. Leave alone shipping the most slaves in Africa.

The fact that you enslaved millions of your own people make you the most useless of black race.

Just40:
We were only colonized in the in the 1900s meanwhile you guys have been under Arab and Chinese colonization since the 1200s.

The earliest schools set up here we're mostly set up by indigenous Ghanaians.

The pride I'm talking about has to do with achievements over the last 1000 years, how come Kenyans achieved so little?

You guys couldn't stop the Europeans taking over your lands, because you were educated, you couldn't frame any of your constitution because you had no education, you couldn't run your country until the Europeans came since the Arabs were only interested in sending 18 million luos, kikuyus, kambas, maasais and co to be slaves in Arabia

We are not using Ghana as benchmark for anything education because we already have Africa Best Education. So quit trying to impress us with your useless education - that is worse than South Africa.

Kenya already has Africa's best education bar Mauritus - and our focus really is an education systems that work for us while trying to become world class.

Just40:
There are plenty of failed schools in Kenya already...
Many of your high school can't manage to have at least 100 students because of lack of staff, poor infrastructure and poor performance..

Kenyan parents will rather send their kids to some far away boarding school and pay through their teeth than to have them in community schools with poor results.

You keep wondering why you society keep failing and so tribalistic .. and it all stem from the fact that your society is not enter mixing and you have not created Equity for all and you have failed at providing equal opportunities for all.

This is what Ghana thrives at and that is why our HDI is far higher than yours.
Inter mixing brilliant students from Montessori with those from public primary create room for better co learning environment and poor students manage to thrive.

We've done this with all our top schools, push 30% of poor performing students to them and by the time their 3 years is over, those 30% all become brilliant students and masters of their craft.

As far as I know the decision has not been made. All high schools have build extra class. But that is not ideal. I hope they remain in same prijmary school. Ruto will make the decision soon.

And there is nothing the Mini Zoo can teach Kenya on education.

This is our second curriculum transition. In 1980s we dumped the British System for 8-4-4 (American/Canada system) - and transition successfully. We are now dumping 8-4-4 for CBC model (this what progressive nations like Finland are using now).

Just40:
your minister says they are all going to senior high school and will make them day students... So you're going to have 1.5 million kids who trek for 10km to 20kms just to have an education.

Your country does not have the money to provide class rooms and teachers.


Ghana was able to do the same 2 streams some years back when we reformed from 3 years to 4 years and also back from 4 years to 3 years because we had lots of infrastructure at our various secondary schools.

We did it successful with quality even increasing

Your pride is being colonized since 15th century or what?
Kenya had no schools because it became a colony only in late 19th century - and that colonization lasted roughly 60yrs.
You got colonized for almost 500yrs and thats is hardly something to be proud of.
You became slave factory for centuries - had your gold shipped out for centuries...and what do you have to show for it.
Some high school?

Just40:
it has always been a girls high school whether the term existed then or not.
The British high schools formed in the 1600s and 1700s where all teaching the very same things.
Sewing, house keeping, religious studies, reading and writing

Basically, Kenyans did not have any form of education untill 1900s
That is why you guys have nothing significant of history

First you need to understand that current focus on boarding school is not right.
Then walk the journey to reconfigure your messed up education system
It wont be easy - it will take time to have good standard equal education in every village.
But it can be done.
Kenya is already at 70% day school; with only 30% boarding school;
There is still huge infrastructure mismatch btw day and boarding; but fact that gov fundeds 100% day school is great incentive.
We also const dev fund and other funds for building school infrastracture.
What remain is to come up with standard school package - that every school should at minimum have - and the extras people should be free to get them.
What would be a standard day school look like that provide quality education to kids at walking distance from their homes.
That should be the goal.
But Ghana you're still building huge model boarding secondary schools.
You gov has gone broke funding free boarding secondary schools.

https://www.myjoyonline.com/free-shs-it-does-not-make-sense-to-pay-for-people-to-go-to-boarding-school-free-kofi-bentil/
"According to him, 70 percent of government’s budget for the Free SHS policy is being spent on feeding students alone."
Just imagine instead of providing quality education - you're feeding kids - who can be fed at their homes.

Parents dont want you to feed their kids - they want you to provide excellent teachers, excellent teaching and non-teaching opportunities at schools, like in any elite school. If those schools are available in walking distance - who will take their kids 200 kilometres away?

mdntiri:
there's a policy here where 30% of admissions to the boarding schools is reserved for 'poor' students from the environs of the school. So that 'takes care' of poor people not getting admissions

You speak as if it's easy to just build day schools in EVERY village. How long must students wait for a school to be built near them so they attend? 10, 20 yrs?

What about issues of land availability, conducive location etc etc? Students would STILL have to pay for DAILY feeding/transportation as day students. It's cheaper where they're congregated in one place

Do you know the number of day students who 'opt' to become boarders during exams times especially so they benefit from the discipline/structured learning timetable/no disturbance environment etc of the boarding house?

Yes - and they have kinship ties - with fellow slaving kingdom of Ashanti. They make excellent slaves.

gallivant:
From my observations, it is a Yoruba thing. Very stupid cowardly folk.

I am not disputing HDI - but of course its not only or most important measure of development. HDI is UN (UNDP) take on human development - it has nothing on infrastructure or real estate or etc. That is why this thread continues every day. There are thousands of indicators of progress including PICTURE TEST.

You cannot claim to be developed and look like Ghana. Hell no. You should look like South Africa if you're a middle class. Kenya if you're lower middle class.

obaaderemi:
Picture challenge? Do you not sound stupidd to yourself? You just admitted earlier on today that you weren't disputing the fact that Ghana was better than Kenya.
Only your fellow little Indians take you seriously. You are worse than a yo-yo.

Must be a Yoruba thing - I have igbo friends and they have few choice words for Obaboon kind of folks. He has been sucking up to Northern Elite like Dangote who now basically own Nigeria.

gallivant:
You are being addressed now, not the Ghanaians.

We have the same thing in Kenya. This is nothing West Africa. This is British System. In kenya we are moving away from it. Nigeria you naturally moved away from it because everything basically broke down - and everyone had to stay in their village.

You cannot run boarding school with you level of incompetence.

In Kenya - folks who went to say Alliance High school or Starehe boys - or the 1,000 national school feel great pride -

It's nothing to be proud of - it shows access to quality secondary education is a privellege.

obaaderemi:
A little Indian like you will never understand these things. I was talking to a Ghanaian who is a fellow West African and undoubtedly understands.

The first secondary School in Nigeria was established in 1859, the oldest in Kenya came about half a century later. So, I can't discuss such lofty things with you.

We are objective. We were not sucking up. We had not see Ghana for what it is. When Kazi Kazi threw the picture challenges. I was the first one to say something is wrong.

Most kenyans including myself use to think highly of Nigeria. Heck I was even proud of Nigeria as progressive black country . I remember in 2010 or around when it took South Africa as largest economy. In my mind Nigeria was this oil giant - and I use to glean through their movies - and I saw the bad roads, villages and good houses - didnt really think much about Nigeria. I didnt even know they didnt have electricity.

Until I stumbled upon a thread written " Nairobi City". I think Gallivant use to keep it alive. And I was suprised by how suprised Nigerians were of Nairobi. If I recall - I had also read about some Nigerian senators or mps who came to Nairobi - and were suprised about how organized and clean it was.

Now when I read through that thread - I discovered the ZOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Nothing works. Electricity. Water. Sewage. Garbage. Cities look crap. This was mostly Nigerians who had been to Kenya or Nairobi talking down fellow Nigerians.

obaaderemi:
Sucking up to what Ghanaians? Have you forgotten how you and your brothers accepted on the other thread that Ghana was better than Kenya in a bid to keep the Ghanaians on your side? I still don't know at what point the Ghanaians turned against you and started hitting you mercilessly.

Your level in what exactly? Is it your poor grasp of literacy or your poor knowledge of numbers? It's as clear as crystal you are not brilliant.

Sign of under-development. Unless you went to IVY league or Eaton type privellege schools - going to secondary school should not be something to be proud of.

This shows access to quality education is still a privilege - not a right. In progressive countries - everyone went to the school next door - which has the same education standard - as any in the country - they get the same budgetary allocation - same quality of teachers - and pass rate is the same.

obaaderemi:
The secondary school one attended is still very important to most of us if its a famous public school. The old boy system of public schools are still far more effective and interesting than the university old student thing.

Obaboon, I dont need validation. See how you're sucking up to the Ghanians so they can support you . The day you reach my level - of course you cant- you will be able to stand on your own feet.

What you're doing lately is pretty embarrassing - we might have to find some more apt moninker - you're now below the primate level - maybe the ungulates will want to adopt you.

obaaderemi:
You have been beneath several of the west Africans here from the word "go". The day I slide to your abysmal mental level is the day I'm going to deactivate my account here. Do you need me to remind you of how many times I've set you straight here?

If I ever go bonkers; I am sure I will still reason at least 10 times better than you. For now you're at retarded level. You're not mad like the resident mad one but mentally retarded.

obaaderemi:
As several people have opined here, that man is far gone mentally. He needs to stay off nairaland for awhile.

You must be a Ghanian to be able to reason (or not) like this. You guys are arguably the daftest folks.
You can have 3,000 boarding with 200 teachers or 20-day schools in each village with 150-200 kids; 10 teachers.
Which one is better?
You will be "developing" areas with large boarding schools while leaving the rest to become desolate villages.
Gov should focus on standard school package for every village; that should equalize education.
Every village will therefore have electricity, water, name it;
Schools should have lunch program - and that is it.
Even Colleges - TIVET - should be established in walking distance or at least 10kms radius from every village.
Universities should be within say 20kms distance from every village.
Boarding schools, hostels in universities, or college should be an exception.
It cheaper for everyone, spread development and really education like any gov services should be available anywhere and everywhere.

There are things that need to be consolidated in one area - like factories - your 1D 1 F is totally crazy. You want to have factories in one area to benefit from economies of location. So factories are best located in one special economic zone or industrial zone.

There are things that need to be dispersed - these are gov and social services - to at best walking distance from everyone. This a right to everyone. Every Ghanian deserve quality education right in their village.

Otherwise you will create a society where rich kids go to boarding or university or college - but poor kid in the village - cannot - because it expensive for them.

Heck reading from Ghanians here - you have already replicated the British class system - where kids who went to XYZ fancy high school - are more special than others - while in rest of world - 90% of people go to local schools, local college, local university - because they are of the same standards - with what obtains elsewhere - except 10% who need something really special or better.

mdntiri:
What about the large 'school economy ' that the boarding school system creates where there's a large market of/for consumers/producers of school furniture, books, teachers, administrators, cloth sellers, food sellers, carpenters, etc etc?

I've been saying Ghana should even increase her boarding schools to take maximum 3000 students. Day schools should do 1,500. We should build storey buildings/high rises to accomodate the extra numbers

Anywhere schools especially boarding schools are established, the local economies of these places also flourish. Add to that the extras of academic excellence, discipline, no to and fro transport costs etc and you'd see boarding has lots of pluses

African players will go nowhere in soccer until they work on their mind; on their mentality; on their psychology. Their natural talent will always amount to naught. Eliud could have chosen to just run - he is incredibly naturally talented - but he invested a lot in his mind - he read lots books - 3 weekly - he works on his mentality - is incredibly disciplined.

And for the first time a human has dominated a sport that doesn't lend itself for dominance - he dominates the marathon - 42km of tarmac - hardest of sports one can imagine - the training is incredibly hard - and you lose all your toe nails - it running hard for 5 months - just so you can perform in one race - everything has to come together or the four -five months of sacrifices away from family will come unstuk

Work on the mind and mentality of African sportmens - and they will achieve their true potential. Otherwise the usual....cry babies...we were robbed...100yrs later..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4la2sHwZB0


If you watch the team that achieved greatness like the Greece team that won the Euro - the German coach drilled on the hapless Greeks with mental block/loser mentality the German mentality - the mentality of winners. Germans dont complain. They dont prevaricate. They dont go around with long theories like the English or Africans. They accept failure and they set themselves on high standards. They work on their weak points. They work on what they can control. They dont worry about the referee.

King Otto. Talent is nothing without the MIND.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWLQUaIPkiY]

That is very very low standard. South Korea went to semi-final and you're meeting them. They dont respect you. Remember that. Dont be overconfident they will beat you - and KQ will be there to bring you home.

vaxx:
you are incredibly daft. I only made you know , Ghana had once qualify beyond group stage . You were arguing ortherwise.

I actually checked - Ghana gov own 0.01 % of Anglo_ashanti
Something is wrong in that NATION.
How did this happen??

Now they are chasing galamsy for gold to prop the cedis?

Kenya gov will never allow such strategic assets to be completely privatized.
https://www.anglogoldashanti.com/investors/shareholders/shareholder-analysis/

Ghana doesnt own the gold nor the crude oil.
How will they force Anglo Ashanti to have their gold exchanged for Tullow Oil.
That Ghana gov that has run out of it's thinking capacity.
If this was Saudi Arabia or even Nigeria with NPP or Algeria with PUBLIC sector or SOE oil or gold company - they could talk.
The first thing they need is to nationalize it's oil and gold sector - then they can do as they wish.
Ghana extractive sector is privatized - gold is owned by SouthAfrica-US congolemerate - and the Oil by Tullow & others.
Russia can sell in rubbles because there is no Shell in Russia - SOES owns and sell their natural resources.Therefore Russia minister of finance can decide...to prop their rubble with their oil or gas.

Monkey see. Monkey do.

Ghana should concentrate on getting into IMF program.

All they get from oil and gold is mineral royalties - and corporate taxes - they dont own oil or gas per see.

GeneralDae2:
I read somewhere Ghana wants to exchange gold for petrol rather than dollars due to the low dollars in reserves.

I think this is a good policy and Africans should wake up and try to find substitutes for the U.S dollars.

What do you think? @vaxx, Just40??

Olympic boxing records...

38 Kenya (KEN) 1 1 5 7
39 ROC 1 1 4 6
40 Belgium (BEL) 1 1 2 4
New Zealand (NZL) 1 1 2 4
42 Algeria (ALG) 1 0 5 6
West Germany (FRG) 1 0 5 6
44 Dominican Republic (DOM) 1 0 1 2
45 Sweden (SWE) 0 5 6 11
46 Philippines (PHI) 0 4 4 8
47 Nigeria (NGR) 0 3 3 6
48 Uganda (UGA) 0 3 1 4
49 Spain (ESP) 0 2 2 4
50 Belarus (BLR) 0 2 0 2
51 Azerbaijan (AZE) 0 1 8 9
52 Puerto Rico (PUR) 0 1 5 6
53 Australia (AUS) 0 1 4 5
Colombia (COL) 0 1 4 5
55 Egypt (EGY) 0 1 3 4
Ghana (GHA) 0 1 3 4

If we go by olympics - Kenya beat you stil.

I use The African Amateur Boxing Championships is the premier pan-continental annual competition for amateur boxing in Africa. The championships are organised by the continent's governing body, the African Boxing Union (ABU). The first edition of the tournament took place in 1962.

vaxx:
the idiot is using olympic measurements. Who do you this ?

Then grow some spine and improve in the next game. That is what we want to see. Not complaints.

vaxx:
graping at straw again. Ghana was once palting quarter final in south africa world cup. The only africa team then .

This is all time Africa boxing - Ghana is nowhere - Kenya is boxing giant of Africa. If this is your second best sport after football - then you truly UNDERPERFORM as country.

As of 2015 inclueding men's events of the combined editions until 2022:

The African Amateur Boxing Championships is the premier pan-continental annual competition for amateur boxing in Africa. The championships are organised by the continent's governing body, the African Boxing Union (ABU). The first edition of the tournament took place in 1962.


Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 Algeria 36 23 21 80
2 Egypt 20 17 13 50
3 Kenya 20 14 4 38
4 Uganda 18 15 12 45
5 Morocco 17 20 21 58
6 Ghana 16 17 15 48
7 Cameroon 16 14 9 39
8 Mauritius 13 9 7 29
9 Tunisia 10 3 16 29
10 Zambia 8 4 6 18
11 Nigeria 6 16 9 31
12 South Africa 5 9 21 35
13 DR Congo 4 1 4 9
14 Namibia 3 1 2 6
15 Mozambique 3 0 1 4
16 Gabon 2 5 7 14
17 Madagascar 2 2 4 8
18 Libya 2 2 0 4
19 Niger 2 1 0 3
20 Botswana 1 9 19 29
21 Senegal 1 4 8 13
22 Sudan 1 4 3 8
23 Benin 1 0 6 7