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Africa - building with 20 floors plus (don't look for anything in the midget country of Ghana)

Update 30 October 2020-Source (Emporis) -- if we include more than 20 high rises in Nairobi that are on under const/ site prep/approved - Nairobi moves 2nd to Cairo

1. Cairo ----------------------------119------Egypt
2. Durban incl. Umhlanga--------68------South Africa
3. Johannesburg incl. Sandton---67------South Africa
4. Luanda--------------------------59------Angola
5. Nairobi--------------------------51------Kenya
6.Dar es salaam-------------------38------Tanzania
7. Lagos incl. EAC-----------------34------Nigeria
7. Algiers-------------------------34------Algeria
8. Cape Town----------------------33------South Africa
9. Addis Ababa-------------------29------Ethiopia
10. Oran-----------------------------24------Algeria
10. Maputo------------------------24------Mozambique
11. Pretoria------------------------23------South Africa
12. Abidjan------------------------18------Cote d'Ivoire
13. Casablanca--------------------13------Morocco
14. Tripoli----------------------11------Libya
15. Kinshasa----------------------9-------D.R. Congo
16. Alexandria---------------------8-------Egypt
17. Mombasa--------------------7------Kenya
18.Harare-------------------------6------Zimbabwe
19. Khartoum----------------------5------Sudan
19. Kampala-----------------------5------Uganda
20.Antananarivo----------------------4--------Madagascar
20. Abuja--------------------------4------Nigeria
20.Brazzaville----------------------4------Congo
20.Dakar--------------------------------4-------Senegal
21.Yaoundé-----------------------3------Cameroon
21.Port Louis----------------------3-------Mauritius
21. Port Elizabeth-----------------3------South Africa
21.Conakry----------------------3--------Guinea
21.East London--------------3-------------South Africa
22.Soyo--------------------------2---------Angola
22. Windhoek---------------------2-------Namibia
22. Oyala----------------------------2-------Equatorial Guinea
22. Bloemfontein--------------------2------South Africa
22. Pietermaritzburg--------------------2------South Africa
22. Tunis--------------------2------Tunisia
23.Salé---------------------------------1-------Morocco
23.Lusaka------------------------------1--------Zambia
23.Rabbat--------------------------------1-------Morocco
23.Gizeh--------------------------------1-------Egypt
23.Gaborone-------------------------1------Botswana
23.Lome--------------------------------1-------Togo
23.Ibadan-------------------------------1-------Nigeria
23.Eldoret ---------------------------1--------Kenya
23.Bulawayo--------------------------------1-------Zimbabwe
23.Uyo ---------------------------1--------Nigeria
23.Accra---------------------------1--------Ghana
23.Kigali ---------------------------1--------Rwanda
23.Cabinda---------------------------1--------Angola
23.Constantine----------------------1--------Algeria
23.Zvishane-------------------------1----------Zimbabwe
23.Malindi----------------------------1-------------Kenya

Nairobi versus Joburg
Emporis - Joburg - the dying city
No. of Buildings
No. Current status
351 All Buildings
344
existing
1
under construction
1
planned
2
unbuilt
3
demolished

And Nairobi - the fast moving cheetah

No. Current status
231 All Buildings
193
existing
26
under construction
7
planned
3
unbuilt
2
demolished

Your entire cities are iron-rusted shanties. The worse kind of urban sprawl.
If you need video evidence let me know.

Just40:
sorry kid


You wont find such slum of pitiable buildings anywhere in West Africa.

In West Africa, when we decide to live in flats, it is classic flats and not such pitiable misery.


Your middle class live in such slums, it's no wonder that The poor lives in an even worse situation

Yes when they fix their electricity - they can re-join the debate.

gallivant:
Nigerians should be the last ones talking about infrastructure.

Please there is nothing Nigeria can teach us. Please deal with basic like Electricity. Before you go to other infrastructure. Please for god sake FiX electricity and shut up...and listen to your generator din.

Let South Africans patronize us.

What will a Nigeria, a Tanzanian and Ghanian REALLY TELL US??

68816419:
I will have to agree with u on the bolded statement above , u r now reminiscing on what we have been saying all this while, your government should stop developing the already built up areas of the county, build infrastructures arround the so called Greater Nairobi and not places been built by the colonial Masters. Lagos , Kaduna, PH and Abuja are doing just this, Lagos is about building the largest bridge in Africa, tagged the "4th Mainland bridge, the bridge is been built around poor area of the state . New airport, sea ports, Industries and free trade zones, all these infrastructures are been built far away from Lagos city centers.

Most modern cities have such apartments; TO AVOID WEST AFRICA URBAN SPRAWL OF low rises slums.
These apartments mean everyone in Nairobi is not so far from CBD and their place of work.
And we are just started. Nairobi need a million units of such high rise apartments.

Just40:
I heard, 60% of Kenyans live in those terrible slum apartment at Eastlands



That is really depressing

Pictures of your apartments; Nairobi leads I bet by far.

jl115:
But in reality Johannesburg has the most after Cairo

The difference is now minimal. You just need to look at videos. Picture test. Nairobi is growing very fast.

High rises - Nairobi I believe will overtake Joburg very very soon if it hasn't already.

Roads.
By next year - with completion of Nairobi Expresseway - Valley Road/Upperhill expansion with interchanges - Western By-Pass - James Gichuru-Rironi - the expansion of Eastern and Northern by-passes- the road infrastructure will be a few notches below Joburg. From there - I can only think about expanding very few roads - Kiambu, Limuru, Kamiti,Kangundo, maybe ABC - through Lavington. Nairobi would be there in roads.

BRT - we are getting about 60Km of BRT next year

Light rail - we have decent old MGR line that is being modernized - if we get more DMUs - we would be about there.
Nairobi Railway City - and in the future - a proper light rail - will nail it.

Nairobi is fixing the water problem - at least huge part - with completion of Nairobi North Collector project. Sewage still is a problem.

Telecommunication - broadband - and likes - Nairobi has already overtaken Joburg.

Also if we get housing fixed - with social housing to replace slums and old estates - then Nairobi will be untouchable in Sub-Saharan Africa - South Africans will be come to see a modern city

As for Nairobi metro - there is huge infrastructure deficit there - it will be another 10-15yrs before Nairobi metro compete with Gauteng.

Kenyans have tried their best to build real estate - but paved roads are lacking, sewage system absent, water mostly boreholes, and there is no railway and mass transport - we need to invest heavily in Nairobi Metro - because those county gov cannot prioritize Nairobi metro over rural areas of the counties.

Justnotyou:
We already discussed this previously, Johannesburg's gdp ppp isn't useful a measure when compared to the nominal gdp of Nairobi.

Guateng's gdp is realistically at or around 90 to 150, billion dollars. Admittedly within range of Kenya's GDP.

Nairobi & Johannesburg unlike your previous assertions are within the same range on paper, there is no need for Nairobi to catch up.

Guateng>> Johannesburg or Nairobi, Johannesburg= Nairobi, get it? When it comes to infrastructure they're quite similar already. you had the total paved roads of Johannesburg at >9000km & according to this account bellow Nairobi is already at >7000 km of paved roads, there is a functional metro rail system that's currently getting upgraded in nairobi while you have your guatrain, joburg guys have the city deep dry port while Nairobi has a dry port, Brt system is on course in nairobi while it's present in joburg, add other amenities that are only accessible to one, Nairobi has a National Park, Nairobi is the most dynamic city in Africa.

The only way you're having a debate is on which is better, & we'll rationally get to

Joburg wealth> Nairobi wealth
Joburg gdp nominal= or slightly> Nairobi metro gdp nominal
Joburg gdp per capita nominal> Nairobi MgdpPc
Nairobi metro dry port complex> city deep
guatrain> Nairobi metrorail
Joburg roads> Nairobi roads
Joburg retail space = or slightly > Nairobi retail space
Joburg real-estate= or slightly > Nairobi estate
Nairobi recreational space> joburg recreational space
Education Joburg= or slightly> Nairobi
Security Nairobi> Joburg
Dynamic Nairobi> Joburg
Healthcare Nairobi> Joburg
Health facilities Joburg> Nairobi
QOL Joburg> Nairobi
Skyline Nairobi> Joburg imo
Skyscraper/high-rise Joburg> Nairobi
Nightlife Joburg= or slightly > Nairobi

They're not that distant from each other, just one might seem a lil more impressive for now.

There are PISA like test done - SACMEQ - and Kenya has always beaten South Africa - only Mauritus was better.

jl115:
South Africa didn't participate in the PISA study...........so how can Kenya rank above?

Tata is already up there in trucks! The ignorant ghanain is still receiving hyundai donated mini-buses.

Goel:
Indians at least have balls to try to be in competition, are dependent upon themselves for such things and even create world class products sometimes. What most African countries have achieved so far?

Unesco does a good job in literacy - South Africa 87 v Kenya 81

jl115:
Adult Literacy rate:

South Africa: 95%
Kenya: 79%

WB used experimental metholodgy - night light data. Nairobi at minimum contribute 30% if not 50% of the country GDP.

jl115:
Gauteng GDP - $140 billion
Johannesburg GDP - $ 76 billion
Kenyan GDP - $ 95 Billion
Nairobi GDP - $ 20 Billion (according to the WB Nairobi only contributes 21% to Kenya's GDP)

Which UN education index and what are they ranking.
If we are talking performance in PISA like test - South Africa is well below Kenya.

jl115:
Countries ranked by the UN's education index:

South Africa 76th
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Kenya : 136th

You perform worst than South Africa - which has horrible education standards except for a few great universities.
That shows Ghana education is totally crap.

Just30:
Your country didn't even begin



Did you see the African countries that were worthy to be ranked?

They were the best from Africa

The usual cries. Nairobi city as of 1960 is 696 km². That is old Nairobi boundaries defined in 1963- with about 20% occuppied by National animal park and forests. The rest is built up. Slums occupy 2% of the land mass - 5% of the built up area.

Nairobi Metro - is huge. It extends about 40-60kms radius from Nairobi center.

That is built up area - that is 10,000Kms square plus. If you include the non-built up - it's 32K.

That is very huge. And now has close to 10Million people. That is the size of Gauteng (10m people - 18K sq kms).

68816419:
Same way you could tour the entire Nairobi CBD, Upperhill, west land in less than 5 munites

You just compared Nairobi to Accra - that show you're desperate insane man.
Johannesburg GDP is not equal to Kenya.
Gauteng GDP at best was 130B - or so
And Joburg is about half of that - 50-70B
Nairobi GDP is about that - 45-50B - about 1/3-1/2 Kenya's GDP.

Next excuse.

Your dead city is not growing.

Nairobi is growing very very fast. When you're building one house - Nairobi is building almost 20.

jl115:
when did I mention Ghana?

Johannesburg has a GDP larger than Kenya

New buildings are popping up all over Johannesburg bru

Kenya first has to catch Gauteng wrt Road infastructure.... Never mind Nairobi

The real estate market in Johannesburg alone is worth more than the entire Kenyan real estate market

Nairobi Eastland - this is where Nairobi lower middle class live in. Has more high or low rises than any Africa city outside Cairo in my view


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sDvFOmus8o

I see you're looking for Ghanian support - that clearly shows you're struggling.

Gautrain, road upgrades - that is like 10yrs before the world cup. Joburg is pretty much a dead city - save for little activity in Sandton.

The picture of Joburg CBD has remain stagnant for like 20-30yrs now. DEAD CITY.

Nairobi has nearly overtaken joburg in terms of real estates - and many areas.

In next 10 months - I mean by 2022 - Nairobi will have caught up with road infrastructure almost.

What will remain is electric train - otherwise Nairobi has 30K passengers per day DMUS

jl115:
Actually Johannesburg has had major upgrades...... Gautrain, BRTs, road upgrades...... So yeah

Also once Nairobi has caught Accra..... Or maybe when Kenya has caught Johannesburg.... Then we'll talk

Gauteng is a province.
We are talking Joburg and Nairobi.
Nairobi - nobody really has the data for Nairobi City roads.
The data we have are mostly - Highways, and what we call urban and rural roads.
Nairobi - nobody has gone to measure the paved roads done by county gov, estates and such.
It's requirement to pave the road before you can build estate or house.
What I know for a fact nearly 90% of all Nairobi roads are paved.

jl115:
@rvp20182
@Tayser

Gauteng road paved network(EXCLUDING SANRAL roads): 27000+Kms

Kenya Paved road network: 24000kms

Nope - total is 871 - and only 30% are public - the rest run by churches. And here we talking about 100 hyundai donated mini-bus when kenya high school has more than 10,000 buses.

Just30:
981 high schools are public and a lot of them run Tivet programs along their high school courses.

Key word - WILL BE.

Just30:
The place is not an estate, its an entire new community that is 90% developed and with residence.


Now you are wailing



Let me correct you, Ghana international mall is a 250,000 square meters development and the commercial space is just 100,000

QOL is not relevant when we are talking infrastructure and real estate. JLC Dynamic city index is more relevant.

Port Louis - lead in Africa in QOL.

And it's small city.

jl115:
Mercer QOL ranking

Johannesburg 96th
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Nairobi: 186th

@rvp20182

Compare Accra in real estate to Nairobi is an abuse of the word.

vankelvin:
Infact you are the sub-Kenyan on this page.

Comparing outskirt development to a fully developed estate in your country? this goes to show how underdeveloped your country is.

Why don't you compare the proper East Legon community to your estates?

So we are just here to discuss buses that one constitutuency in kenya can have - 100 buses - that a MP handles. Nearly every of kenya 10,000 high schools have buses. Day school inclusive. And many primary schools too.

Just30:
Junior school schools like primary schools do not need school buses because they are community-based.
All though a lot of them have, They are usually provided by PTA or community-based organization for sporting activities

Those are stale news. In next 1 yr or 10 months - when Nairobi Expressway is done. James Gichuru-Rironi. Nairobi Western By-Pass. Nairobi's expansion of Kenyatta Avenue to Valley are done. Ngong road expansion. Nairobi will be there in road infrastructure with Joburg. All these roads will include crazy interchanges...and many lanes...

In just one year - let's talk in 2022 - and road infrastructure of Nairobi - will be as good as joburg.

Next we will just need a gautrain.

jl115:
The tarred road network in Gauteng alone is more than the entire tarred road network in Kenya........

The only part that look like kenya middle class is front with road - the rest look like Ongata Rongai or Kitengal.

Go for eye surgery

Nairobi more than half it's land mass has posh estates - I'd start from Thome - Garden Estate - Ridgeway - Runda - Muthaiga - Kabete - name them- all the way to Karen - that is HUGE.

That is almost 30 by 20kms of high class residence that you can never afford rent.

I haven't touched middle class residence - where you also cannot afford.

Leave alone lower middle class.

East Legon looks like lower middle class somewhere in Nairobi metro - not within Kiambu - but in East of Nairobi

Just30:
East Legon is not an estate

Its an entire community with over 300,000 people and the entire area has paved roads.

Next excuse for why Runda, Karen and there rest cant look that good

Your dead city has already been overtaken. What is this you're showing

Reduce your arrogance.

Watch this video and come we can discuss


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP_-IuyK9SE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZRdqC4lhRM&t=28s

jl115:
You must be out of your mind if you think Nairobi will over take Johannesburg in the next 50 years......never mind 5!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM2-ZKD0z1E&t=154s

Nairobi expressway - in addition to thika super-highway - the expansion of many Nairobi inner city roads - plus by-pass will mean road infrastructure will up with Joburg.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IM2-ZKD0z1E&t=154s

jl115:
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Once Nairobi nails light rail; BRT is little thing we will do soon; then it's over for Joburg. Nairobi will be home then for the tallest everything; the road infrastructure will have already caught up. And the real estate too. Maybe the mall space - but in few years - Nairobi will have close the gap.

jl115:
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ignorance is a bliss. You know little about trucks.

Just30:
Nothing from India can even compete with China, let alone Europe

How many SHS are public - and same with TIVET. 200?
Every Mp in Kenya has maybe 30-50 schools.
Most try to get them buses.
In kenya buses are mostly stuff for Mps and parents - not national gov.

vankelvin:
Sometimes I feel you are an animal cos you keep measuring Ghana with your God forsaken standards. Things work differently in Ghana.

In Ghana, SRC, PTA, Assembly, Old Students etc can buy buses/vehicles for their school but it is compulsory for Government to buy vehicles for all Public SHS and Tertiary institutions.

Every Government ensures that they buy as many cars as possible for public schools within their 4year term.