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Huge population only applies per-capita wise arguements
When we consider Nigeria economy as whole - it rather obvious - it primitive informal sector driven - plus OIL sector.
That is all.
Kenya is zero mineral and very strong private sector - only second to South Afirca in Sub-Sahara.
Kenya private formal sector literally run the Eastern and now even part of Central & South Africa.

GeneralDae:
Huge population as arguement wouldn't make sense in this instance because we are talking % of GDP here. If anything it should favour Kenya in this instance.

We are talking percentage of the so called overestimated GDP. Even by exports as a percentage of GDP, we are higher. By PMI (which is used to check manufacturing growth), we are better on average. Lagos alone with about 30 million people has almost thesame number of registered companies as the entire Kenya. So definitely, I don't know what this thread is all about and where the pride comes from. It's not even an arguement, not even close.

We use pseudodata to validate the economy and yours is overstimated.

theenchanter:
so, the GDP should magically go down by half simply because a nonentity arm-chair economist on NL said so?

Remove the patriotic blinkers and it staring at you.
Name any index - you're at best equal to Kenya or twice.
Total Bank asset - 110B dollars - versus 55B.
Cement consumption - 18-21 - versus 8-10m tonnes
The stuff you cannot rig like estimating agriculture - you're again at best twice as big as kenya.
In many areas your economy is below kenya -
Give and take - your economy is about 200-220B - not 400B.

GeneralDae:
I was on this thread in 2018 and I'm back here. If I had seen a convincing evidence, I would admit.

Equity Bank continues to rise!

Incredibly, in the two years of Covid, Equity doubled its balance sheet from Ksh600 billion ($5.3 billion) to Ksh1.3 trillion ($11.4 billion).
https://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/tea/business/why-i-believe-congo-will-drive-equity-group-growth-3715978

We have been doing this for six years now. Read this thread backward then jump into 10k pages. It rather obvious that Nigeria GDP is overstimated and should be roughly twice kenya - about 200B - not 400B.

GeneralDae:
So then what indices suggests Kenyans are more productive than Nigeria? .
Do the comparison of both private sectors and all forms of industries and let's see. You are also less endowed with minerals than many countries in Africa like Congo and Angola right? Bring up the facts, and make it make sense.
Let's take for instance the Industry including construction value added, % of GDP. Nigeria is 25.7% and Kenya is 16.4%.
As for having more resources, it's possible to have resources, and not have enough of the indigenous private sectors taking advantage of those resources. This is why you have a bigger GDP than Congo, Gabon, Angola, Libya etc despite the resources in those countries.

Obaboon, every broken clock is right twice everyday. You're right - kenyans are of course less productive Morrocos. I dont think that has ever been an argument. We are also 3-4 times less productive than South Africans. The argument is when we compare Kenya and Nigeria. We disagree that Nigerians are more productive than us. More naturally endowed with minerals yes - but more efficient and productive - hell NO.

obaaderemi:
Thank you, RIP2008 for being honest for once in your life.

So in essence, you admit that Kenyans are not productive. If you were productive enough, then a country like Morocco which itself is an economic backwater, should not have a bigger GDP than Kenya with 50million people. Mind you, Morocco has a population of just 30m.
If your stvpid Kikuyu masters had been smart enough, you wouldn't be struggling against an unstable dirt poor Ethiopia in terms of GDP.

It's not just manufacturing - but educated person is better farmer or better hotelier or a better in ABC-Z of human economic activities. Of course IQ also play a part - which is where nutrition kicks in - and good health - so before education the country also needs to eliminate malnutrition that leads to lifelong mental stunting - and all the diseases limit human potential to be efficient and productive.

If Africa eliminate the nearly 30 percent malnutrition - eliminating mental stunting in the process- it's IQ would rise by similar margin to 100 - which would good base for a healthy and productive human able to meet their total potential.

Small countries dont need to industralize to become developed. They can shift directly to service sector like Mauritus has done - becoming a financial, IT and tourism hub.

For more populated countries - yes manufacturing is critical because it produces that mutliplier effect - one job - creating 10 indirect jobs - that you need to lift many boats.

GeneralDae:
Facts. Education is the key and not just the conventional style of education but vocational skill learning, software training, and training in Entrepreneurship. China didn't just get formal education alone from the U.S, they acquired practical skills. They supported the section of their populace who possessed practical skills even when their products were substandard.

This is another small difference between the Chinese and the Indians. The chinese may not be taking over big software companies like the Indians or working in oil rigs like they are doing, but they have every section of their population manufacturing some of the most little things you can think of.

Also with Germany, you'll see there's almost nothing the Germans don't do for themselves even with the plethora of American companies in Germany.

Indigenous manufacturing is the way to wealth for any nation.

GDP is the measure of human activities; Population therefore is key. That is why you have GDP per capita. GDP doesnt measure the amount of cowdung produced by cows LIKE YOU.

forgiveness:
How is it measured?

GDP can be measured in three ways:
Output: The total value of the goods and services produced by all sectors of the economy - agriculture, manufacturing, energy, construction, the service sector and government

Expenditure: The value of goods and services bought by households and by government, investment in machinery and buildings - this also includes the value of exports, minus imports

Income: The value of the income generated, mostly in terms of profits and wages.


Where did population comes in?

Population doesn’t produce goods and services but through people’s innovations.

Meaning, Nigerians are more innovative than South Africans. That’s all.

Shameful for a country that produces oil. It never happens in non oil producing countries/

SUFFERInSMILIIN:
Catastrophic news

Massive fuel shortage hit Nigeria. Don't people have been sleeping overnight for more than 24 hours and petrol stations all over the country


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL0xbXfciRM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbmtVqukgGU

Tatu city phase 1 is completely sold out. The phase two - another 2,500 acres is being sold out.

PROVERBZ:
Tatu city is a beauty!!
Check out this video of kijanj ridge.
I lovw this projects so much. I find it hard to get videos from the nova ridge in appolonia in Ghana.

While the ridge at alaro has simply just not started because the 8lane highway that would open up the residential areas is not done yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjnJmegmORE

Precisely. I was just saying from Kenya down to south africa - you're likely to see more European architecture - than in Anglo-West Africa that has an American feel - and of course the French in the francophone.

That should not have elicited angry reaction but we have people who lurk here waiting for their country to be mentioned so they can unleash their personal frustration online.

At the base of this is the Azanian's Africa Exceptionalism. This thread and the other has really ripped them apart. For most Azanians they just think Africa is South Africa and rest of Africa (who live in caves). It way American regard themselves - they are best and rest of world is nothing.

It's a sacrelige to even suggest other african countries will reach their level - despite them being literally stuck. But facts are stubborn - they eventually conceded that Kigali was by far the Africa cleanest city - and I expect soon they will concede that Nairobi is the best city in Africa - if they overcome the the green-eyed monster tormenting their soul

popizaino:
Lol.....Rvp was actually discussing with me and the context of what south Africa was brought shouldn't have triggered that reaction from that SA guy. The thread is a comparative one and i don't think it is haram referencing other African countries to make a point.

We are fixing all that and more. I wish I could say the same about your country that every year seem to detoriate. As you have seen this year we jumped 50 places in most expensive list - by being less expensive. Nairobi became 11th most loved city by Expats. We jumped to 4th dynamic (meaning chaning for the better) city in the world. All these and many indicators from different actors - are screaming one thing - Nairobi is turning a big corner- and you may never see it again . Nairobi if you use the naked eye test is growing every year, getting better, issues being fixed, including housing, infrastructure, and name it.

obaaderemi:
Nairobi can never be a world class city if the inhabitants are largely poor. If the economy is fixed, sure poverty will reduce and even the slums will disappear. That's world class not a city reeling under the stench of slums.

I defend kenya with facts. You defend Nigeria with facts. But to attempt to stop us from mentioning Nigeria or South Africa is waste of time. I will mention them when I think it's appropriate. In that instance I wasnt negative about South Africa - I just said it's architecture is more European than American. Why would the Azanian feel offended by such? Most of the time I actually say positive things about South Africa because it far ahead of Kenya. They just cannot handle the few negatives.

obaaderemi:
Then why do you always rush out when Kenya is mentioned? You personalize Kenya as well. Is it your sister or father? Why not leave it to be derobed without talking?

Samrobo - in few years you wont have anything to nitpick about

Look at this - world class - watch to the end.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4AP_yeMQ6s

Nairobi city - only needed to fix and maintain walkways - to become a world class city. It's getting there. The army guys who replaced the impeached clownish governor have done well in pulling the non motorized transport


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJXj-TgKfj4&t=317s



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZeF84G3by8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTQf9VHUDRk

Pictures and videos speak. Not empty words.Sound argumentation 101.

Just40:
yes it's isolated and very tiny.....

Tema alone has more tall building than it.... Next time don't divert

They are hovering in this thread - so why not involve them They can simply avoid it. I dont know why someone personalize a country. It's South Africa - it's not their mother or sister. It's a f.cking country. If people mention Kenya - in bad or good light - all I care about is the objectivity and the truth. If the accusation is truthful - I have no problem. Kenya for example has gazillion of issues and is poor albeit growing country.

obaaderemi:
Yes it was. Did you follow the convo? The RIP guy can hardly post anything without dragging in the South Africans and Ghanaians. I thought this was " Kenya is behind Nigeria in all aspects."

You want to show us all the intersection in the Abuja-Airport highway? or what the idea?

samorobo:
There is not you can teach us in this your life.try Rwanda or any other East African shiithole.

You west africans are very funny. You call buses BRT. BRT are not buses. I know you're used to ugly dafnos. BRT mean dedicated lane for buses. Who can even count the number of buses in Nairobi

samorobo:
Lol my point is that is thst it is too minuscule to be posted or celebrated.Lagos I think should have up to 4,000 buses or more. You don’t come to Lagos and look for brts,it’s looks for you because they are literally everywhere. Before you cough four must have zoomed past you leaving a tinge of dust on your face.they are that easy to find. Thika 5 buses brt doesn’t inspire anyone,not even Rwanda .

5 from now - Kilimani will be fourth business district. Definitely it's going neck to neck with Westland-Parklands now. Upperhill projects seem to have been halted. Nairobi old CBD need the Railway city to to open up. Ngara-Pangani-Estaleigh is also another corridor.

Baliv254:
kilimani, NBO

I dont remember making noise. I recall updating this thread with pictures of thika road BRT that is nearing completion. You're bursting a vein I suspect because your lost power or your generator has given up?

Back to BRTS - Nigeria I believe has one BRT - of 22KM with total passengers of 200,000kms.
https://brtdata.org/location/africa/nigeria/lagos

Lagos BRT is lite or low standard. Thika road BRT is gold standard....it build on the median and therefore is devoid of disruptions - and will carry more people.

Kenya will also build about other 5 BRTs in all it's corridor.

samorobo:
The brt infrastructure that you posted. And we even have more like numerous brt stations s,e-ticketing and all that.
You are here making noise over a single stretch of crayon marked road for about 5 buses. Now tell me if that isn’t funny.

How does your George Walker Bush donated road compares to this? This about twice as big - right? Mad cow?

Like Nigeria - you should pay attention to how roads are devoid of overgrowth - as grass is regularly maintained - all over kenya. Grass trimmed. Flowers planted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nOkmCzmWog

Just40:
it's new in Kenya so it must be celebrated ... Just like how footbridges are new in Kenya and they celebrate it

Which things? And why are they funny?

samorobo:
Funny how you the whole of Lagos has this things. Ikeja road along has about 15 or more.

You had dumsor that lasted months as you repaired lines. Please madcow...look for someone to lie to

Just30:
Power do not go out for 3 days running, anywhere in Ghana.

Even when a pylon falls.....

Lets talk about Kenya

Yes Nairobi metro need the roads paved - but as you can clearly see - the towns are better than almost anything you got in Nigeria.

samorobo:
Loly.
Ngong town. I can tell just by watching the video that paved road is a serious problem in Kenya. I don’t doubt that report that says less than 10% of Kenyan road have been paved since independence. Ngong town has its sheer size of slumscraper and hodgepodge surrounding. Looks backward and hideous

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5WeY1qoPHY

Yes power has been restored. It made news because we are not Tanzania - where power blackouts are so common - lets not talk about Nigeria or Ghana.

Kazikazi:
,do u have electricity in kenya?
Now its the third day of blackout


https://eminetra.co.za/kenya-has-fallen-into-a-national-power-outage-after-a-pylon-that-collapsed-on-one-line-destroyed-the-entire-network/506192/

Nigeria and speed in one sentence Impossible. That project will be completed in 2025 and like Ibandan-Lagos will be a white elephant - just like Abuja-Airport one.

samorobo:
This project is moving with the speed of light. I can’t believe by the w s of this year we lagosians would have Atleast two of the lines completed (blue and red line) .then probably from 2023 we can kickstart green line. Anyone who resides in Lagos can attest to the speed of this project,everywhere is a construction site from mainland to island, from ikeja down to CMS. Stations and rail with cranes almost everywhere.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H94h1upsi0

Back to Kenya Railways..reducing time by 3 times and cost by 3 times - for Cargo on transit to Uganda/South Sudan/Congo/Rwanda.

The cargo is on transit to Malaba Railway Yard for onward transportation to Kampala. From Mombasa to Malaba Railway Yard, cargo will take 36 hours compared to road transport which takes 96 hours. Similarly, it will cost $860 per TEU compared to road which costs $ 2032 per TEU.Today's event paves the way for seamless transportation of cargo from Mombasa to Kenya's hinterland and to neighbouring countries of Uganda, Rwanda, Congo among others.

Cargo is transhipped from SGR to MGR at Naivasha Inland Depot

Who has chained you to this thread - you can ignore it. Why are butthurt when a country is mentioned - even if you're very patriotic. Is it your child or family. Grow up. If Ghana is bad - it doesnt mean everyone there is bad. There are billionaires in Nigeria living large and driving personal jets.

vankelvin:
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Mr Clown you never change.

Well I refuse to go back and forth with you this 2022.. Your country isn't better than any country here so keep on posting nonsense

You're dreaming - Yes Kenya is poor country but not a zoo like Ghana and Nigeria. While I was away I read 200 people dead in Zamfara state in Nigeria. That is absolute Zoo...such news arent even shocking anymore in ZOOgeria.
https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/death-toll-attacks-nigerias-zamfara-state-around-200-residents-2022-01-08/

This is comparative thread. If you do not like comparison - go find another feel good thread. The title is very clear - it comparason btw Kenya and Nigeria - with little Zoo Ghana pulled in ocassionally to help the main zoo.

Now tell us the progress you're making in reviving your railway network - and try to write verifiable facts.

vankelvin:
This is how you suppose to comment not the incessant jabs you always attach to your comments.... Learn sense this year cos your country isn't better than any country here.

SGR to MGR - Mombasa to Malaba (Uganda border) - now ready
Today we successfully run the first trial train with cargo from Mombasa which arrived via the Standard Gauge Railway line and was transhipped onto the Metre Gauge Railway line for onward transportation to Malaba. The transhipment took place
at Naivasha Inland Container Depot