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agaugust:
The most difficult part of ship building is the on-board mechanical and electrical systems, that is what makes a ship fulfill it's sea mission, the hull/body carcass is nothing special, we already build bigger ships at Nigerdock, what we need to learn and we have learnt, is the on-board systems construction of a sophisticated 2014 naval warship, not just welding body metals to shape a ship's hull, Nigeria has already advanced beyond that low level many years ago
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You quoted a very specific number and used a very specific word. Namely....70% and Building. You said Nigeria is building 70% of that ship. Which is false. The Chinese wont even let you build 2% of it.

Now you're changing your story, telling us what the most important parts are. Maybe you think you're talking to your slave Henry120.....not me.

The hull is complete, and most importantly the superstructure is complete. That ship will not be opened up again with a blow torch to put heavy mechanical and electrical equipment inside. It's all in. The radar and electronics mast is also visibly complete.

The Chinese will only let you go to your nearest store, and buy 100W light bulbs for the walk ways. They might also let you buy the cutlery, plates, cups, sugar and coffee for the officers mess.

Patchesagain:
What construction?

The chinese build the hull

You install imported electronics

That is not construction, that is assembly.

If i buy a table from Ikea (do you know what Ikea is?) and I put it together... can I say I built the table? If so, I guess I am a master carpenter!!

They haven't installed a single light bulb yet. Those pics were taken in China, where the ship still is.

agaugust:
Dude, you have quoted Beegeagle as source 3 times today, shall we all bring Beegeagle weblinks as acceptable source on this forum?

I am ready for you o !

Then go tell your boyfriend Beegeagle that he is WRONG. That Nigeria's Navy does need to RESTOR any missile capability like he said. Tell him what you have been telling US....that the Nigerian Navy will sink our Frigates with its Otomat missiles. Run along...go tell him.

THE TRUTH COMES OUT?? WHO IS THIS MYSTERIOUS AUGUSTINE ON BEEGEAGLE'S BLOG??

Funny that there is also an Augustine on this thread....maybe it's just a coincidence

Listen to what he said.......


"Submarines, are the ultimate weapon platform in sea power, one lone submarine can sink a whole navy of 10 warships.

One single South African navy submarine today will sink the entire Nigerian navy fleet of major ships in 24 hours, and the submarine will sail back home to Cape Town in peace.

A navy without a good submarine is a weak and incomplete navy. Submarines were invented by oyinbo man for a reason and since World War II 1940s till today 2015 every navy in the world is afraid of enemy submarines, even American navy fears them !

Nigeria can start with two submarines. possibly second hand cheap from China, the Song Class submarines for say $160 million each fairly used units.

The price of the new submarine is the same as the price of a new Frigate warship.

Effective defense and protection of a nation’s territorial integrity is not cheap, an freedom is not free of charge.

Thanks bro."

https://beegeagle./2015/01/11/the-nigerian-navys-second-p18n-stealth-offshore-patrol-vessel-nns-unity-f92/


Funny how the Augustine on Beegeagle's blog posted the very same pictures he posted on this thread. Beegeagle even thanked him
for the pics

MATERIAL SOURCED BY AUGUSTINE, A BEEGEAGLE’S BLOGGER

https://i2.wp.com/oi58.tinypic.com/ea00fa.jpg
https://i1.wp.com/oi59.tinypic.com/b4vn9f.jpg

https://beegeagle./2015/02/09/was-the-nigerian-navy-stealth-opv-nns-centenary-f91-ever-involved-in-the-test-firing-of-missiles-is-the-ship-missile-armed/


So he defends Nigeria's uselessness on this thread to the death. But speaks the truth on that other thread. What a fraud of a human being

CONFIRMED BY BEEGEAGLE.....NNS ARADU IS A PILE OF CRAP

"Once upon a time, NNS ARADU was the most powerful warship in Africa. That was the 1980s and 1990s. Now she is obsolescent and an expensive makeover is ill-advisable. Let us step up to higher ground…" - 12 JANUARY 2015

https://beegeagle./2015/01/11/the-nigerian-navys-second-p18n-stealth-offshore-patrol-vessel-nns-unity-f92/


South Africa's Navy can demolish Nigeria's Naked, Missile-less Navy today.....7th of March 2015

agaugust:
JF-17 Thunder is coming with BRV missiles
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Marlin missile is also coming with 100km range. Before NAF even has 10% of a single squadron

Henry120:
In naija, we actually train for real! So much so, the birds are jealous and want to join in.

Oh is it. That's nice.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/images/stories/LAND/LAND_new/1para-ye2011-paradrop.JPG

Exercise Young Eagle....SANDF

https://images.lightstalkers.org/images/631277/young_eagle.JPG

Henry120:
Mumu

That ship looks virtually complete to you?

The contract stipulates the Hull of the ship would be built in China, then transported to Nigeria were 50 - 70% of the production would be completed.

First Understand reports, or what ever you read.

This looks like only a hull to you? This looks like half of the ship still needs to be completed in a dock yard to you?
Are you mad? Go play with master agaugust's balls....don't waste my time. The Chinese screwed you over big time

https://i1.wp.com/www.militaryparitet.com/editor/assets/new/files2/comparing.png

Comment from BEEGEAGLE....Nigeria's "military God"

11 January 2015 https://beegeagle./2015/01/11/the-nigerian-navys-second-p18n-stealth-offshore-patrol-vessel-nns-unity-f92/

"I really look to the day when that capability shall be restored to the NN. We must ensure multi-mission capability for any ships that come to hand. There is a reason why Bangladesh are mounting missiles even on ships which they primarily use as OPVs…"

He was replying to a comment regarding Nigeria's Navy anti-surface and anti-air missile capabilities. Key word....RESTORED.
Even the military god knows that the Nigerian Navy lost that capability ages ago

The South African Navy can today, sail inside your waters and destroy what it pleases....fact. Exocet will have a field day.

jln115:
1. US paratroopers
2.British Paratroopers
3.Russian Paratroopers
4.Singaporean Paratroopers

killed him

agaugust:
Unlike you, Nigeria is building 70% of Africa's first construction of a stealth warship, fully digital with 2014 sophistication
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Building 70% of what?? Of this ship? This virtually complete ship? Take your stup.id lies elsewhere

https://beegeagle./2015/01/11/the-nigerian-navys-second-p18n-stealth-offshore-patrol-vessel-nns-unity-f92/

https://i1.wp.com/www.mdc.idv.tw/mdc/navy/china/p18n-f92-3.jpg

agaugust:
Why me? I should stand in open field for SAAF jets to k.ill me? Even Togo's air force can do that with Alpha jet, kill innocent civilian in open field....oh ! I forgot, that's what the Chadian air force did last month by murdering 30 civilians in the open desert of Niger Republique, and you just assured us that it is the same skill that South African air force has.....same level of M.orons like the air force of Chad.....birds of the same feather flock together....South Africa = Chad

No wonder the strongest military in Africa Egypt, bypassed both Chad and South Africa then chose Nigerian military to help the mighty Pharaoh's armed forces to fight ISIS in Libya, surely the Egyptian military high command read the Seleka story of how Chad and South Africa both were in Bangui while Seleka took over.

Egypt is NOT impressed by your photos and videos on nairaland, I suggest you send an ambassador to Egypt to kneel down and beg the Pharaoh to allow you come under Nigerian military command in Libya if we go to fight ISIS
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Everyone here knows when you start typing paragraph after paragraph, it means you don't know what to say.

Like I told you earlier today, don't think like a 5 year old. Why would Egypt work with South Africa on an issue of regional terrorism?
Take out a map, look at it nice and hard, then maybe you'll figure out why South Africa has nothing to do with this. Do....not....waste....my....time. If you have nothing to say, keep quiet.

agaugust:
Your half-baked Gripen jet pilots have NEVER flown one single combat mission in their lives with a Gripen

NAF = 5,390 combat sorties in 3 months !
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And that means what exactly? Google all the other air forces around the world (including South Africa) who have
never flown real world combat missions with their latest aircraft, but will still tear the Nigerian Air Force to minced meat within seconds.


Go stand in an open field and see if a Gripen or Hawk pilot won't tear you to bits and pieces with our PGM's.

agaugust:
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Fly At Your Own Risk SAAF, Flying Risk includes :

1. Low fuel in Gripen jet, almost empty tanks, jet may fall from sky without warning

2. One missile only per jet, combat ability near zero level

3. Pilots not qualified, mostly 1 hour per month training

4. Best pilots fly VIP jets only

5. 99% of all available fuel is reserved for VIP transport leisure services

SAAF....flying with all kinds of avoidable risks
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Fully trained combat pilots.

Go sulk in your corner with your jealousy. Maybe you can call your 3 F7 pilots over so you can all cry together.
A VIP pilot has a completely different rating to a combat pilot, so which best are you talking about? Maybe in Nigeria you mix and match


[img]http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=76936[/img]

NOT IN ONE MILLION YEARS WILL NIGERIA HAVE SUCH CAPABILITIES

For those who keep talking about Denel, and forget about Armscor



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNG1pgkEJ_k

[img]http://www.avcom.co.za/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=76936[/img]

https://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj100/Clifford3959/Parade%20day%202010/Gripen9.jpg

Enter SA at own risk....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VpL_hJQMa8

agaugust:
So much weapons we see, yet South African army too afraid to reorganize and return to Bangui and save their fellow African brothers dying in the claws of Seleka rebels.

The more weapons DENEL produces, the more useless SANDF becomes. In what hot combat zone has SANDF ever deployed alone with 5,000 troops and fight bitter battle for one year to save helpless fellow African people?

You arms production and export is useless to Africa's progess as a continent. Useless ANC republic
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You seem jealous that South Africa faces no current military threats. SA is not the only country on planet earth which currently isnt fighting a large scale war. Is the point of a defence force to go looking for a fight....like a bully? Is it not Jacob Zuma who proposed the idea of an African Rapid Response type unit to quickly move into hot, conflict type zones? Go ask your president and the AU how far they are in accepting that idea.

Dont talk like a 5 year old here please. No military will deploy to a random conflict zone thousands of km's away if there isnt any political emphasis to do so. Why doesnt Nigeria deploy to South America to defeat heavily armed drugged cartels?

Finnish Navy Launch of Umkhonto SAM

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//998b8e20c92b9a7e25b35841624c3c2c.jpg

Mokopa anti tank/anti armour on Algerian Lynx

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//1240a9bc8599a17f8159d10a3ce075dd.jpg

Ingwe on some Russian piece of sh*t

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//a0f44f225600d23b8279d6b8e5da8bf1.jpg

Skua Target Drone

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//b108ebc0bb8c248e1ba7e4f5ae0d9b84.jpg

https://admin.denel.co.za/uploads//436881238fa0e4fa1ec02d7e73b55f9b.jpg

http://itweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-38276/

SA ARMS EXPORTS CLOSE TO R3BILLION


South Africa's arms exports remained stagnant with R2.98 billion in exports authorised in 2014 compared to R3.2 billion the year before and R10.6 billion in 2012, according to the latest National Conventional Arms Control Committee (NCACC) report.Although the report lists the grand total of exports as R880 million, when the individual exports are added up they reach R2.9 billion. However, the grand total for imports is listed as R200 million and when the individual items are added up they also equal R200 million.

[b]NCACC chair Jeff Radebe delivered the 2014 report to Parliament this week, which covers arms exports and imports from January to December. It revealed that South Africa's defence industry exported 326 armoured vehicles (mainly armoured personnel carriers) to nearly two dozen countries last year, as well as four mine detection vehicles to Iraq. The biggest buyers were Burkina Faso (31 vehicles), Guinea (32 vehicles), Niger (21 vehicles), Saudi Arabia (100 vehicles), Senegal (39 vehicles) and the United Arab Emirates (26). These vehicles sales amounted to more than R810 million.Other weapons exports included seven cannons to Indonesia (R7.5 million); 11 turrets to Malaysia (R235 million); four artillery systems to Saudi Arabia (R30 million), six gun/howitzers to the United Arab Emirates (R229 million); four missiles to Germany (R12 million) and five anti-material rifles to Azerbaijan (R2.2 million). The turrets are being supplied to Malaysia by Denel Land Systems for their new infantry combat vehicles. It is most likely that the Middle Eastern artillery orders involve G5/G6 artillery, also from Denel.

The NCACC report stated that 226 40 mm weapons were supplied to Egypt, Estonia, Japan, Jordan, Kenya, Pakistan and Indonesia. The latter also bought nine anti-material rifles and one 20 mm cannon. Turkmenistan acquired 60 sniper rifles while the United Arab Emirates bought 201 40 mm weapons and 135 60 mm mortars.Only 212 machineguns were sold in 2014, to Indonesia, Jordan and Oman. Malaysia bought 30 minefield breaching systems while the Netherlands bought 37 000 mortar bombs worth R214 million. Another large mortar contract came from the United Arab Emirates, which acquired 63 370 mortar rounds worth R232 million.

A dozen countries bought small arms ammunition from South Africa, ranging between 300 and 13 000 rounds, although the United Kingdom bought 55 260 rounds of ammunition worth R44 million.Other exports listed include self defence suites and electronic warfare equipment worth more than R40 million (most likely supplied by Saab), transponders, radio equipment, 'transceivers', laser rangefinders, sights, a submarine periscope, binoculars, 'airborne observation systems' worth tens of millions of rands, and software.[/b]

Unlike in the previous report, the type/model of equipment was not disclosed. "I am concerned that the NCACC's 'enhanced reports' are now being rolled back and less information is being provided, which appears to be aimed at hiding the names of the companies involved in the export of conventional arms from South Africa," opposition Democratic Alliance (DA) party shadow defence minister David Maynier said following the publication of the report.

Some interesting things were said yesterday by Denel regarding Rooivalk production (SA FM live broadcast). Looks like above story has developed even further since it's printing.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/amid-rooivalk-restart-talks-denel-eyes-new-platform-403763/

18 September 2014

Amid Rooivalk restart talks, Denel eyes new platform

An ongoing discussion about restarting Rooivalk production includes an option to design a new platform based on technology developed for South Africa’s indigenous attack helicopter, says Denel Group chief executive Riaz Saloojee.

Last March, South African defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula publicly expressed interest in restarting a Rooivalk production line that has gone dormant since 2007 after delivering only 12 aircraft, but offered no details on timing or funding.Those discussions between the Ministry of Defence and Denel Group are ongoing, Saloojee says.

The talks have also broadened to consider additional options, including development of a new aircraft.Asked if Denel would restart production of the Block 1F standard of the Rooivalk that entered service in 2011, Saloojee instead described the ongoing talks as taking a broader view.“We’re not sure if it could be a new platform completely based on the same technology,” Saloojee says. “We don’t know. But definitely we are discussing a roadmap going forward.”

Saloojee declined to define a minimum number of orders that would be required to justify relaunching Rooivalk production or starting a new development programme.“We are in analysis phase at the moment. We are looking at the feasibility not only from a manufacturing perspective but also a market perspective – what is the investment that is going to be required over what period. So all of those decisions need to be considered before a decision is taken,” he says.

The Rooivalk was launched in 1984 by a predecessor company of Denel called Atlas Aircraft Corporation during the apartheid era, when sanctions limited the country’s access to weapons systems. It leaned heavily on the engine and dynamic components designed for South Africa’s Oryx helicopter, which includes elements of the Puma and Super Puma aircraft.The Rooivalk programme, however, was delayed as South Africa shifted suddenly into the post-apartheid era 10 years later.

The aircraft finally entered service in 2011 with weapon system and gearbox upgrades developed to meet the Block 1F standard.The aircraft was deployed in a combat situation for the first time in 2013. A South African unit assigned to a United Nations peacekeeping force deployed the Rooivalk against artillery positions of the March 23 Movement, a rebel army in the Democratic Republic of the Congo that had shelled civilians.“We’re saying we’ve got this technology, we’ve got this platform, surely,” says Saloojee. “There must be a roadmap going forward in order to secure the technology and the future capabilities that we plan.”

Henry120:
I never expected a knowledgeable answer, thanks for proving me right.

Not only have you shown your government runs an incompetent regime, you have again proven South-Africa is a banana republic.

According to you, for every fairytale south-african mercenary, the minister of the interior calls up your home affairs minister, who then keeps this information of ex-SADF soldiers away from the appropriate authority(Defence minister)?

I mean.......... does this make any sense to you? just say you were joking.



That fat woman comes into the picture because your fairytale mercenaries are EX-SADF. People who fall under her jurisdiction.

What a pathetic country.

Your Defence minister and the entire cabinet of the mickey mouse President should be disbanded.

You run a mediocre government in south-africa.

Unlike most people here i have little time to waste, particularly on the same topic, and morever with you. If you want to keep insisting that civilians fall under department of defence jurisdiction, cool. I wont stop you. Article does not specify the type of high level talks, i was giving an example of how our minister of defence doesnt have to be informed. What authority/power does she have to stop them?

I quite enjoy living in my 3rd world, mickey mouse, pathetic, banana republic country. So I'm chilled.

Henry120:
The sort of Education you guys in South-Africa receive is just sad.


You don't understand your own article

A Nigerian high level minister linked to your military can talk to a South African high level minister linked to our home affairs department for example. Just to make sure they are both aware that there are South Africans in Nigeria, conducting such operations....incase one of them gets killed for example. Our defence minister does not come into the picture because she has no control over South African civilans, nor does she have any control over who the Nigerian military decide to work with. And yes...she will be very and and annoyed when she finds out about such operations. Which she had been.

I've dumbed that down as much as i can. Take a few days to read it over and over again.

Henry120:
Think........ I expect you to think saengine.

The report claims that Abuja and Pretoria have an understanding on this matter, so there should be no qualms on this matter.

Yet the same paper goes on to say that the minister is un aware of a situation under her jurisdiction which Abuja and Pretoria supposedly have an agreement on. .......... how?


This paper also claims Americans who where kicked out months ago are involved in the so called offensive. Does this report sincerely make any sense to you?




Fact is, you south-africans cooked up a story to feel relevant, and the south-african government runs a banana regime.

Civilians are not under the jurisdiction of the minister of defence. Ex defence force member, even though trained soldiers, become civilians when they walk out of their base for the last time. Understand now?

Henry120:
Humour me!

Abuja reportedly got cleared with South-Africa's top government echelon but your "minister of defence" isn't aware.

So, who's your government top echelon, it's pretty clear South-Africa runs a banana republic government.

Ex SADF members, even though former soldiers, are NOT members of the SANDF. They do not report to anyone within the SANDF...they are civilians. The high level clearance between governments could simply be the acknowledgement between governments that South African citizens will be dealing with the Nigerian Military. So that Abuja and Pretoria are aware of what's going on....say for example if a South African gets killed.


Our Minister of Defence will understanably be angry. From the Iraqi to Afghan wars, the defence minister has always threatened to arrest SA civilians working as mercenaries. Even though there are hundreds in those countries.

iterator24:
100 soldiers playing a major role in a state the size of scotland...hahahaha..

As military advisors, trainers, pilots. It's very possible. Such sizes of military trainers have been used before in countless other examples. Is the war on Boko Haram on a front/combat area the size of Scotland? Or much smaller? Did you think about this comment before posting? I highly doubt.

iterator24:
its an article by news24, you should have ignored it.

A nigerian website wrote a similar article aswell. You ignored that too. So the problem isnt the articles.

rka1:
You guys should make up your minds. First it is thecChadians doing all the fighting, now it is ex SADF mercs. So are they doing it with the Chadians?

Nigerian sent nearly 2,000 SFs to Russia for training and a significant number of them are involved in SF operations against BH.

We knew it was only a matter of time before everybody starts to claim credit for what the NA is doing after they sell abandoned her sand refused her equipment. Very shameful glory seekers.

What Nigeria is the size of a city block or what? It's impossible for Chad troops to fight in one part of your country, while Nigerian troops getting specialist training in another part?

A body like the Institute of Security Studies is a well respected research body. Members whose day to day job it is to get detailed security and defence reports/situations from around the continent. With numerous high level sources. They just woke up today and decided to make a rubbish statement just for the fun of it? Okay

Henry120:
Now post that garbage make believe in it's rightful section.

A report that contradicts itself should be taken seriously

Abuja has reportedly insisted that the deal had been cleared with President Jacob Zuma – and the ex-SADF soldiers now in Nigeria have likewise also insisted that their involvement was cleared at the highest echelons of the South African government, even if the defence minister did not know about it.

How is this a contradiction?