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miketayo:
lmao all this essay for me? carry ur mu.mu and go pls

You are a cretin. Next time, don't make a stupid statement and think you can pull the wool over my eyes.

VictorRomanov:
Mr. Don't jump into argument you don't know the origin. You'll look like an idiot.

No, your conclusion/assertion is moronic!

Next time make points that make sense!

miketayo:
Is this one trolling or serious

I suspected u were a dunce I didnt know u were a slowpoke, so because u have no valid points to make u resulted to insults.. I ll leave u with Ur stupidity, kill urself arguing over d obvious slowpoke.

You are a cretinous fccktard!

You think when I was asking for your ages, you think I had not spotted something? You thought it was a coincidence?

Stupid Naija kids, instead of openning their minds to learning, they go everywhere with their ignorant confidence and want to make statements they know nothing about, and then they wonder why people say they are employable.

Product of a failed education system.

Foool, you really think you could pull the wool over my eyes with your moronic argument?

EPL was the top league in the 90s?

If Manchester United or any EPL team smelt quarter finals before the late 90s in the Champions League, the Queen would have announced public holiday and come out to dance Kukere Kukere Kukere, Sangele Sangele Sangele before Iyanya cold even dream of the dance.

Talking shyt about something you know nothing about to back your moronic, unreasoned and unenlightened point.

In the 90s, Seria A was the top league. They were kings without rivals. Only the normal RM and Barca were any competition.

EPL cold not even compete with the Dutch and Portuguese league back them. When the likes of Kanu, Yekini, Finidi and Amuneke were playing in those leagues, it was a HUGE achievement.

If you hear Ajax in the mid 90s, you are hearing total football and you knew who was going to win. They had the likes of Kluivert, Davids, Seedorf, Litmanen, Kanu, Finidi, Van Bronckorst, Overmars, Blind (the father of Blind now in Man U) and one dutch black guy with a name starting with R, I have forgotten. He later played for Barca.

PSV too was deadly.

Your ignorant arse now wants to tell me that EPL was king in the 90s? EPL ko, CNN ni. .........Useless pikin. Were you even born then?

VictorRomanov:
U intentionally choose to forget that it took Messi a long time to agree to a contract extension. If he was that happy why did he take a long time to decide to extend his contract?

Your post just show u have little idea about players' happiness and how they negotiate contract, their reasons for either staying or leaving a club. I would ve schooled you, but just go with your ignorance.

What moronic argument.

Because people delay in signing a contract extension is certain evidence they are not happy at their current place.

I suggest you take some time to educate yourself in the art of negotiation. You are in no position to school anybody.

miketayo:
Napoli won 2 Serie A, 1 coppa Italia and uefa cup while competing every other year, and they r not a big club.. before d late 90's Serie A was next after d EPL..

What moronic nonsense!

I asked you to tell my why Maradona joined Napoli, you are telling me what Napoli won because Maradona joined them? And that is your argument to show Napoli is a big club?

You are a complete fccktard!

Seria A was next to what in the 90s? Which EPL?

This is what you get when you are a moronic little child trying to argue what you have no clue about with arrogant confidence.

EPL was what in the 90s? The best league? Ori e o pe!

miketayo:
Spanish league has just 2 big clubs that win every year until recent atletico started competing ..u are talking to a Milan fan here. Don't even let me start with fiorentina

Please, start!

Don't threaten, just start.

miketayo:
Are u going to sit there and tell me psg doesn't have d chance to win UEFA? Or u think d present psg team can't beat Barca.
Spanish league is bigger but psg is also a big club.
U are just trying to prolong matters anyone that knows football can't say psg is a small team or overlook d french league.q

Again your moronic arse tries to use 'after' to justify and argue 'before'.

Having a chance to win UEFA is your stupid argument why PSG is a big club?

miketayo:
Are u saying psg isn't a big club.. Napoli and fiorentina were big clubs in d 80's.

EPL has been d biggest and most watched league for over 20 years but aside man u.. which other club is as big as Barca or Madrid?

And French league is one of Europe's best league

You must be on fcking drugs?

When were Napoli and Fiorentina big clubs in the 80s? How old are you?

Your young eyes think you can pull the wool over my eyes?

What makes PSG a big club? Talk less of compared to Barcelona?

Is the French league as big as Spanish league?

Obi1kenobi:
Messi is not European, so why would he have a Euro trophy? And Ronaldo simply fluked his own. Ronaldo has more Ballon D'Ors because Messi won his own when they joined the FIFA award with the Ballon D'Or, while Ronaldo won his own seperately. And which head-to-head are you talking about? Please, elaborate.

In any case, to be honest, I don't really care about statistics even though many statistics are in favour on Messi and others for Ronaldo. I judge them based on what my own eyes see and how they influence games and their ability to conjure the magical. And Messi beats Ronaldo hands down. But that's my opinion.

There are times you hear someone's argument and you can see instantly that they are so thick, you don't bother wasting your time, bruv.

miketayo:
U didn't read d last reply they r all moving to big clubs in a big league.. when neymar moves to Arab or Chinese league while he is still at d peak of his career, u can make this argument.

Amsorry?

Which big club is Napoli, Fiorentina and PSG? They are as big as Barcelona?

The French league is as big as the Spanish league.

Come on, go ahead, try pulling the wool over my eyes? Answer.

Ahmedhussain3463:
ronaldo has european trougphy messi dnt have any.ronaldo has 3 european footh baller of the year award messi had two.ronaldo had more champions league golden boot than him.pls head to head c boy ahead.

What utter junk!

naijalodge:
fool, he played for bacer, would u expect giggs to say Messi was better?

You are a cretinous fccktard!

So he played for barca means the experience he is relaying is not factual or does not matter, cretinous fccktard?

Or that his team rep pegging did not go down from his time in EPL to when he move to Barca?

If you are a guy whose woman is denying him sex, just go to Youtube and type in "Iniesta best skills" or "Messi best skills" or "Ronaldinho best skills".

Watch a nicely edited one and you would have a better time than fcking her miserable arse.

I swearagod!

Obi1kenobi:
I guess this would be a matter of opinion. I consider Cruyff comfortably higher in the pantheon of greats than Zidane - just behind Pele and Maradonna and maybe Di Stefano. I'd argue even Platini is greater than Zidane. They're very different types of players, so I guess the only fair measure is the influence they have on their teams. They're just about equal in international influence, but Cruyff's achievements with Ajax is a class above Zidane's club career.

Yep. It is a matter of opinions.

I believe Cruyff and Zidane are in the same pantheon along with Platini, Iniesta, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, Zico, Zidane, Platini, Iniesta, Xavi, Puskas, Di Stefano, Beckenbauer, Matthaus, G. Muller, Xavi etc.

Different measures for players playing in different positions/different types of players is my policy.

And you are so FCCKING ON POINT that the biggest weighting should be the "measure is the influence they have on their teams". I have said this before.

https://www.nairaland.com/1176158/sagamites-top-30-greatest-african/19#14085379

I would add another one: Plus how long they were at their peak for.

I would fault that achievement with Ajax though because of era difference. I remember back in the early 90s when Nigeria used to beat the likes of Burkina Faso 7-1.

Today, we cannot do that to any African country because football is now a serious business for every country and no more fishermen coming to play for national teams. There are fitter and more professional players nowadays.

It is good we have highlights of some of these players. Honestly, Cruyff is a pioneer but some in his pantheon took it to a different level.

Cruyff


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-v6lMerCYCI

Zidane


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvjfBhEH-Zc

Iniesta? ...............................Sweet Jesus!!! WOOOOW! ........................Fck Lord!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86MpZTqoWZk

As much as we can love pioneers, the game goes to a different level afterwards.

Cruyff really only betters them in goal scoring.

Obi1kenobi:
Ronaldo got lucky in the Euros. Portugal finished their group as the 3rd placed team without a victory and behind mediocre sides like Hungary and Iceland and only qualified as one of the best losers. They were outplayed by Poland and Croatia but soldiered on through extra time and penalties in those contests. Their only good performance was against a Wales with Ramsey's ban decisive for a Wale's team with no depth. They were completely battered by France in the finals (which was happening even with Ronaldo on the pitch), but had France' extreme wastefulness to thank for an unlikely victory.

Fantastic points!

Wow! I did not even remember that 3rd place.

That just tells any fool that luck is vital in winning competitions and 'team wins' is not a statement on 'player ability' per se.

One keeps on telling them these but it is a challenge to enter their thick heads.

Great point, mate!

Obi1kenobi:
Ronaldo deserves some credit, but using that tournament as any kind of advantage over Messi hardly seems rational considering his performance. Some of Ronaldo's fans try to craft some kind of narrative where he dragged Portugal to a Euros win. He did nothing of the sort. Not even close. Portugal plodded their way to an unlikely win in the same way that Greece did in 2004 and Denmark did in '96.

Ronaldo cannot be better than Messi.

Anyone that says he is is very poor in analysis and reasoning.

Ahmedhussain3463:
head to head individually ronaldo ahead of messi ,i still dont understand why ronaldo cant b compare with him.

How is he ahead?

What is he ahead in?

miketayo:
Which question

Explain to everyone why Neymar moved to PSG.

Explain why Maradona went to Napoli.

Explain why Batistuta stayed in Fiorentina.

I gave you the whole fccking floor to do it.

Oya. Go. I dey listen.

somehow:
Did he tell you he wants these or you are the one forcing him to want what you want?

He has beaten the best from the world and with just world cup left, I don't know what's else you need from him. He doesn't owe you anything.

He does not need to win any WC to be the greatest. He just needs to show what he can do on the pitch and we have all seen it.

Magic!

miketayo:
Would have made more sense if u mentioned Mikel or Oscar .. these players all moved to big clubs in a big league so it doesn't count.. ll Messi move to a Finnish league paying 3x Barca at his career peak?

Amsorry.

How does this answer my question?

Mental illness!

LordAdam16:
Ah!

Another dust-bin intellectual that resorts to vituperation when called out for being dumb.

No, I don't know the meaning of criteria. But apparently you do, but don't know the meaning of objective and fact, even when it is pinned on your forehead.

Simple question, was your statement objective or a fact and you can't answer.

Move along, I think there are many others who'd want to argue with you. Waste your time with them.

-Lord

You are a cretinous fccktard!

You obviously don't know who I is!

Fccktard, if I spit on the floor, you IQ is lower that one single cell in my spit.

A whole me? SAGAMITE? E ma ma ri arinfin o! (Dey look no respect)

Fccktard! When people give you statistical data to back up impeccable logic, idiots like you should not make silly statements!

Learn that fcking lesson, mooron!

LordAdam16:
Better respect yourself if you don't understand English.

Does your post satisfy the criteria for the definitions?

You said Messi is better than Ronaldo. Is that objective? Is that a fact?

That you can't understand the clear use of English is baffling. It's the exact reason why debating with you is pointless. It's like pouring water in a basket, you comprehend nothing. Absolutely nothing.

-Lord

You are a slowpoke!

Do you know the meaning of the criteria?

LordAdam16:
Where did I say I am objective and factual biko?

Why is it is hard for you to comprehend?

In fact na my last reply to you.

All the best.

-Lord

Next time, when people make arguments with comparative data, never say they are not being objective or factual especially when you are not providing alternative data.

That is silly!

samisj4real:
The guy that scored the only goal @da final between portugal & france. Now young man tell me, how did ronaldo made dem d winner of euros ahead of "EDER"?

Ronaldo carried them to the finals.

Without him, they would not be there.

And he then got injured at the finals. If he was not injured, they wold have been a stronger team by all evidence.

So give him the props!

LordAdam16:
Let me ask you a simple question, have you watched Cryuff play? Even highlights count.

If you did, you wouldn't say Zidane and Iniesta had better in-play and on-the-ball intelligence.

I think you're suffering from recency bias. It's glaring from the statements you make.

-Lord

I have watched him play and I have seen the people he played against.

Have you ever tried reasoning from that anlge?

Have you ever tried reading about that era?

LordAdam16:
You obviously haven't been comprehending my replies.

There was no place where I said they are the greatest "because they [showed] promise but they did not have the opportunity to show it for a long time."

No place. Go and read my replies again and you'd see the reasons why I called them the greatest.

-Lord

You said Cruyff was one of the greatest with the likes of Maradona.

I said he is not even better than Zidane (who himself is not in the league of Maradona).

So how are you not stating greatest?

LordAdam16:
Meaning of objective:



Meaning of fact:



Neither describes your comment.

Your representation of facts was "influenced by personal feelings or opinions." And the inference you made is not "known or proved to be true." It's just another opinion. An hotly debated opinion I must add.

-Lord

I gave you figures to back up my arguments and you say I am not being objective and factual, but all you give is opinions and you are?

Djnotte88:
Some people are just naturally foolish...the ones saying ronaldo is a product of hard.work and messi a product of talent and gift are just talking blindly...why not just say messi is lazy but only his talent and gift is helping him?? Ronaldo is gifted and talented just as Messi is... Back to the topic...Mr writer Messi must not leave Barcelona inorder to prove to you he is the greatest...being in a single club doesn't mean he can't play in a different league...Mr writer I m sure you must have heard of the word "JOB SATISFACTION"...I believe Messi is satisfied with his current club and doesn't need anybody to tell him to leave to another club inorder to prove himself...He has destroyed the best English teams, best Italian teams, best German and French teams...so wat else do you want?? is it the stoke city you people are shouting he can't play against?? cmon guys....And again besides any great player are great players helping him. No single player can claim to carry his club or nation alone...you guys also claimed messi had Xavi, Iniesta etc...how about Ronaldo?? Modric, Kroos, Ozil, Di Maria, Gago, Guti, Giggs, Rooney, Nani, Bale,, Benzema are average players abi?? .....How about Totti, Gerrard, Raul, Maldini, Lampard, John Terry, Xavi, Puyol, Buffon etc that played most of their football careers in single clubs? Does that mean they are just average or just scared of moving to other clubs?? that's the power of JOB SATISFACTION

If Messi is lazy and doing what Ronaldo is doing, then Messi is obviously better.

If I read a subject 3 hours a day and you spend 15 hours sleeping in the library every day and we get the same score, I smart pass you.

miketayo:
Lolzzz you urself don't believe wat u wrote..for African players maybe money... But for d likes of Ronaldo, Henry Messi Nd co.. they want to win it all

Well, this is the time for me to how that point of me being old enough to talk some sense in your head.

Explain to everyone why Neymar moved to PSG.

Explain why Maradona went to Napoli.

Explain why Batistuta stayed in Fiorentina.

Floor is yours!

LordAdam16:
Being a pioneer puts you on the list.

Are Zidane and Iniesta goal scorers like Cryuff while not being at the same in-play intelligence level as he is? Or are you just arguing for the sake of it?

-Lord

You have a good point there, but they were better in in-play intelligence and on the ball against more athletic opposition. Not people have a beer before a match and smoke at half-time.

miketayo:
What is more important than trophy?

Money?

Playing time?

Ability to express yourself?

Good team rapport?

Can you start thinking?

obonujoker:
You said Ronaldo only scores goals.... and I m proving to you that he assist, he scores although he dribbles less for the past 2 seasons....

You are proving? By stating one small section of his entire career?

Are you dumb or are you young?

miketayo:
How old r u

Old enough to make far more sense!

LordAdam16:
As I said, I'm not going to argue with you. It's pointless.

Kaka, Rivaldo, Pato, and Owen are world-class players. They are not legends with legacies and things that set them apart from the competition.

We're talking about the greatest players to ever play the game. And I gave my reasons for including those names. They did things no other person did in football in their time. That's why they're the greatest to ever play the game.

You can't just play like Ronaldinho, or Cryuff, or Garrincha, or Heleno. Each of them are one in a generation, those names you listed aren't.

What is Kaka's legacy? What did he do differently than his peers? Replace Kaka with the other names you shared, and you'll see why they're not in the GOAT list. But replace Kaka with any of the names I mention, and it is apparent why it'd be a travesty not to regard them as having a place in the GOAT list.

-Lord

The point obviously flew over your head, that is why it is pointless.

Never again say "someone is the greatest because they should promise but they did not have the opportunity to show it for a long time, if they did, OBVIOUSLY they would have been great".

That is your education for today. Many show great starts, it is not necessarily sustained for long.