ronkebp: Nope i still do not agree with you that majority of the marraiges have failed, i know people who are enjoying their marraiges, i don't know the type of marraige you are personally looking for, but as long as the couple understands themselves and are in that relationship for the ''right reasons'' it will definitely survive. Most of those with the so-called failed marraiges, wished silently that they never left, will they come out and say how or what they feel, never? but because 5 of your uncles and friends are living a lie, does not mean that all other people are.
Faith only works well with ''works'', sitting down and having faith is useless, having it and working towards a positive result makes it more useful than you may think.
No 1, do you agree with the public statistic that 50% of marriages end up in divorce or are you disputing it?
No 2, do you acknowledge the logic that their are several couples out there that are in unhappy marriages but refuse to divorce because of one reason or another?
No 3, are you saying someone that has divorced that is regretting it later has not had a failed marriage?
ronkebp: Sagalulu!!! many marraiges are successful oooooo, just because you do not want to personally believe it does not make it a lie, many marraiges are successful i repeat it again and again.
I am not using the failed marraiges as part of my assessment only because some are divorced for the wrong reasons both insane and selfish reasons (especially in the western countries), they see it as 'marking the register just to answer 'present'' in the world of marraige, they really do not understand what it entails, they think it is all about ''live happily ever after''.
50% of marriages fail. More of those that do not fail are filled with miserable people just hanging on.
Hence, majority of marriages are hopeless.
ronkebp: Why not faith? what is so irresponsible about having faith? is tomorrow guaranteed?? don't you hope and have faith that you would see tomorrow? do you know how many people will die or be born tomorrow? we don't, we sleep and have that certainty (faith) that we will see tomorrow (for me, By God's Grace) [ don't know what/who you believe in though). So nothing is guaranteed, we are optimistic that we will survive, optimistic that one day we will be great (hence the education and all what is), optimistic that we will live large, it is all about having a positive attitude, why not have that towards marraige?
I am not saying you should not have faith.
But don't sit down depending on faith on something the odds show is more likely to be a failure and then pointing fingers at others as irresponsible for not following your blind action and then say your name is "Analytical". What the fck did you analyse!
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ThiefOfHearts: and you have a problem with her comment because? If he leaves her, she mentioned her own plan. did she say "one day I plan to leave and I will take everything"? Explain why ios it wrong for her to want to cover her arse if he were to leave her especially as a housewife? Unless you have issues with women, I fail to see why her statement bothers you.
I have no problem with her comment. I just learn from it so I don't end up in a luluworld like Analytical.
We will sign prenup and she would not need to worry herself with such as she would be clear what she would get.
stillwater: Let me complete the sentence, if the odds of being successful are 50%, is it really worth getting into. . .therefore let's go ahead and demonize the institution. Now that's the point.
It seems you are a gambler.
queensmith: THANK YOUUUU!
not to even mention- for those that live in the uk, the statistics are far from those in america with all the las vegas (nuiscance) for weddings.
If divorce wasnt available a lot of people wont get married. not to mention how many of these people are black/africans?
fagamite has no point, abeg
Shut up, Obese skank.
We are talking about marriage here. It is not a discussion you should participate in. No one would want you.
ronkebp: Yes many, who is Del boy?? Why do you think the divorce rates are higher than what it used to be in the past?? and still we have marraiges that have been and still going strong, i personally would not use the yardstick of other failed marraiges to measure my own. Where is that will to have a lasting marraige,?? where is the faith that one can actually have a lasting ,marraige?? The 50% of single mothers are usually not due to failed marraiges, but instead lack of it, many men with the ''i can keep a woman in the house and not marry her legally'' mentality have thrown some of these women out back into the streets because they think they have found ''the one''.
Like someone pointed out earlier, marraige is not for babies, but the matured at heart, you know what yopu are getting yourself into by tying the knot, so i will preach perseverence ( and that is not at all cost though, when one's life is threatened), marraige is not going to be a bed of roses without thorns, there would be difficulties, happy moments and sad moments, but the two shall be one, helping eachother through the storms of life.
what of the other 50%?? can't the other 50% be successful? why can't your own be among the 50% successful marraiges.?
Del boy is a likeable conman that sells things to people under dubious pretense it is something else.
Lying to me that many marriages are successful is a Del Boyish tactic.
If you refuse to use the majority of failed marriages as part of your assessment of marriage, then you are burying your head in the sand, which is exactly my point. Most people, like Analytical, bury there head in the sand and are telling people like me to join them to look under the sand.
So you are using "faith"? What is responsible in using faith?
Majority of the other 50% are people who refuse to admit the fact the marriage has failed or have adapted to the ills of it. Only very few minority have a good marriage.
So what is responsible about committing your life to something that mostly fail.
ThiefOfHearts: The irony is other than celebs, NONE of you know anyone who ended up poor after a divorce. Infact I doubt you know many divorced Nigerian couples period (in Naija AND aboard) so spare us the boo-hooing. If oyibos can do it despite being divorced many times, I dont know why Nigerians would even entertain such thoughts. Stop fooling yourselves abeg. Yall aint kobe, MJ,. Speilberg or McCartney. Yall will attract regular women who luckily for you have been brainwashed into thinking divorce is never option.
so make we hear word
I know up to 5.
One killed himself.
His ex-wife claimed the house his mother lived in and sold it. She was lucky the ex sold it to a Nigerian who allowed her to live in it till today at really low rates, otherwise she would be homeless at 84.
She is unlucky with the fact that she has not seen her grand kids till today.
If Oyinbo are stewpid does not mean we should be stewpid.
Because Oyinbo allows their kids to take partners to the room at 14 does not mean I should do the same.
y me: Here's a secret that most men don't know - Women often don't know what they really like in a guy. Women are much more susptible to their emotions than men and it's the man who understands how to use this knowledge that has the advantage with women
One advice I always give my male friends is UNDERSTANDING A WOMAN SHOULD NOT BE A MAN'S PRIORITY IN A RELATIONSHIP Trying to understand what someone is like shouldn't be based on a period of time because that is an #Epic Fail!! but try to savour every second, minute you get to spend together
@OP Tricky question because I would want everything from my man I will narrow it down to >>>>>>>> Make me feel good, Masculinity, S*X, comfortabiliy, Challenge, Intelligence, Not being clingy and desperate , Be loyal.
ronkebp: No one will get a perfect spouse!!! but many will get good, respectable, dependable, irresistible, charming, loving, godly, neat, caring spouses, and that is just a few out of the many qualities.it is more about faith not hope, more of faith and less of hope.
Many?
That is why we get so many divorced single mothers?
That is why there is 50% divorce rates minus all those unhappily married?
Are you Del Boy's sister?
What is responsible about putting your hope in something with over 50% failure rate?
What is responsible about it when you personally have even had some that had failed in the past? Because I can only assume most people have dated others before marrying?
Don't give me the junk Analytical was giving o. Logic please!
princefunm: Well, I would not call it illogicality. Though if you analyse it, it still boils down to the same thing. Asking what women want is all too common. Your analogy about guy to guy interaction being so easy is quite simple. Men think logically. So everything about us is pretty straightforward.
But because women are more tuned to their sentiments, it almost always gets in the way of their thinking. And while this in itself is not entirely a bad thing (believe me when I say it has its good sides), it must be said that its responsible for the bewilderment we feel when dealing with our female counterparts. Truth is, dealing with women takes a great deal of patience and understanding. Unfortunately not many men have this two qualities. Most guys quickly condemn and write off inexplicable behavioral patterns exhibited by our ladies and conclude it as idle foolishness. But don't forget that to them it is not. Several factors do come into play in a females decision making. take a look at my analogy below and then maybe you might understand a little.
Remember the mathematics notebook we used in nursery school. The one with several intersections of horizontal and vertical lines. Good. Now take a pencil and a rule and trace a long vertical line down that page. What you have is not just a line that stands out from the rest, but a simple representation of the way MEN think. Yes! We think generally in only one direction. The most logical direction. Now with an eraser wipe off the line that you have traced out initially. Look across the page over the criss-crossing lines. The whole page is representative of the thought pattern of a female. While she probably sees the logical way of doing a task, she also sees several other alternatives that should be taken because of pitfalls that MAY exist in the logical path. She works out all this paths in about the same time it takes we guys to work out the only logical path we see.
What exactly am I trying to prove here. Different things trigger different responses in a female. Now because the females are very much at the mercy of their hormones, a reaction to a particular thing may not always be the same every time. Also remember that she is also a sentimental being. That also plays a large part. My advice for those of us looking for what women want is to learn to read the non-verbals of a lady. Because only that can tell you what she feels at a particular period. And please, just be yourself. When you try to put on a personality or pick up a line that is not you, it triggers their hormones and their thoughts go travelling. Even if you are clumsy, just be yourself. If you are yourself, trust me your target lady will pick that. If she is viable something you do will strike a chord. Even the best pick up lines doesn't work for all ladies.
So to cut your long story short, men think logically, women don't?
Analytical: Dont get me wrong Coogar. I wasn't referring to the dating phase here, except you are being mischievous. They have been married for 30 years. The same principles that kept them going for 30 years surely can still keep them, isn't it? They must have done their diligence then, but you have to keep at it now. You don't say because you planted a garden yesterday, you don't have to dress it today, else it will grow weeds.
It takes two to tango. Marriage requires the spouses to keep working at it, else it will grow weeds.
This guy just continues chatting irritating rubbish.
So what if the principles that kept them for 30 years has disappeared? You want everyone to live in your lululand and ignore reality?
ronkebp: You can get a perfect wife only if you are perfect.
And since no one is perfect that means you admit no one will get a perfect spouse?
So you are living on hope then?
What is so responsible about tying your life to hope?
ronkebp: Huh trying to break free from the laws of marraige? satisfied with the state of just keeping a woman in the house and fathering a child without compliance to the laws of marraige a freedom to do whatever without anyone reading meanings or judging your actions Being accepted and respected by the public for the path you have decided to follow in life and questions should not be asked
Are these the vibes am getting from your statement only so that i have a broader understanding.
I am giving you alternate reasons to fear why one might not want to marry the woman pregnant for them.
armyofone: True, true
in the country of the blind, one eyed man is king
wonder what they are earning as salary in real life that we can't hear word again fa jare. real men don't complain to be a lady is not a day job.
Here they come again with "real" men.
Go and use such words for guys like Analytical to get them barking to your desires.
ileobatojo: You hit the nail on the head. The problem with the OP and friends is that they plan to cheat unrepentantly when married. This automatically puts them at a high risk of ending up divorced which is why they are looking ahead to what will happen to their possessions when divorce comes. They are asking for reasons why marriage is worth it while not being ready to adhere to the standards of decorum and fidelity that come with it. Won l’oro gbo!
The choices for them are simple. 1. Don’t marry. Seriously, Don’t. The poor victim you would have ended up with will thank you for it. 2. If you find some unfortunate soul to marry you, sign a prenup. No one here has said a word against it. Nothing wrong with it. You know you want to, Do it. 3. Like I said before, marry someone richer than you. In a divorce, you’ll get her money. Or wait, are you and your family the richest Nigerian family in existence? There are no girls richer than you? Ok, see options 1 & 2. Good luck.
Analytical: Coogar, you see, society has warped the thinking of so many, that the norms are now twisted and appear okay. I repeat there is nothing wrong in having 2 grown adults in love and in a relationship. That in itself is normal. It should lead somewhere after a while. The end result should be marriage. Call it dating or what have you. The moment they decide not to get married, that process is short-circuited and the best you can have is friendship. Now for those two adults to still proceed to have babies and live together for years is not responsible. What do you think is preventing them from getting married if they so love each other? Please find out!!
More illogical, dogmatic tosh!
Why does it have to lead somewhere after a while? Why does it have to end in marriage? Those that are not married cannot be happy and raise a family.
Analytical: Tell me which culture doesn't enshrine marriage as part of its values? You amaze me.
And so?
This is where I was telling you about brain.
No 1, why should I fellow the rules of some medieval thinkers that are less intelligent than me?
No 2, did you use your brain to think why cultures had marriage enshrined? To create peace amongst the men mainly so they don't fight amongst each other for the same woman. It was a rule setting process. Now you are in the civilised world, not medieval times.
Analytical: Coogar, how did they end up with whores as housewives? Reasonable other halves abound if you do your diligence to seek him/her! But most people won't. Who goes to buy something and won't seek for good ones to buy? There is seeking to be done in before committing to marriage.
OP is not only scared of the woman he might end up with, he is also scared of commitment. He is not sure if marriage is worth it and asked for reasons why it is. Read his posts very well. For your information marriage is practical and requires mutual hardwork and commitment for it to blossom. Mine is in it's 11th year and we are just changing to the 2nd gear!
What kind of diligence can you do that will make you 100% sure a person is right for you?
Explain!
So how is it more responsible to tie your life forever with that person?
ronkebp: too bad if it does not cause a change, i used those words because they are the ones that can relay my message clearly, what on earth will make a man keep a longterm relationship with a woman in the house and later become a ''baby-father' without tying the knot as it should be' if not Fear' of the unknown, fear of committment. Being afraid is a feeling of fear, having a feeling of aversion or unwillingness in regard to something, that is all i sense.
Maybe logic, un-orthodoxness, satisfaction, disagreement with laws, preference, if not broken don't change it etc.
Analytical: I will call a spade a spade. Yes they are, except they are into mere friendship! It doesn't matter what fanciful names they have coined to explain away their irresponsibility.
What utter dogmatic tosh!
Analytical: Sagamite, you can make your point without being insultive. If someone has been in in a marriage for 11 years and is enjoying it, humility teaches you ask and learn how it is done instead of trying to be sarcastic.
A brain teaches you what irresponsibility is and that your cultural belief is not necesarily right or right for everyone.
Analytical: Sagamite, slice it anyway you want it, it is irresponsible for someone to stay with another for donkey years, without making commitments! They want to enjoy the benefits without the commitments that go with it. Nothing wrong with dating someone, but that is a process that should head somewhere not a destination in itself.
My friend, cut the crap! What is your understanding of the term "responsible".
Analytical: @Sagamite, unfortunately, I don't engage in needless debates. It is for the likes of you that I stated that I am not against singlehood lest I am misunderstood. Where did I demean singlehood? OP asked for reasons why marriage is worthwhile and I ventured to share some (and I am not even through yet!!) and here you are ventillating already.
Singlehood doesn't equate irresponsibility! I know quite a lot of singles that are responsible. Some of them still yearn to get married. It is lack of responsibility to see a grown man living with someone (opposite se.x) for ages without taking the necessary step to get committed to marriage. Society frowns upon it, government frowns upon it and God frowns upon it too.
Marriage is a life union and that is why it is not advised to enter into it without considering the consequences. You exchange vows in marriage. Vows meant to be kept. Why would anyone vow to remain committed when he/she doesn't mean it? There are risks in marriage. It also has it's ups and downs, as so many things in life too. Would you now because of risks of accident refuse to enter a bus? It is that lack of commitment that so many people run away from that makes marriage seem so difficult.
Sharing with a friend is a child'splay compared with sharing with a spouse. Especially when your spouse is your best friend! Tell me, Sagamite, which of your friends stay with you 24/7 all year round? How many of them from 10 years back are still your friend and you still exchange with on a daily basis?
It is because of the likes of your mindset that we have made marriage to look like a shirt one can discard when it is no longer useful. That is also the reason why the partner will want what she can also get from the relationship as soon as possible since divorce is inevitable anyway. What I show you is a more excellent way. Which spouse will not seek the best of his/her spouse when she knows it is for life and the union is a plus?
More dogmatic, illogical tosh.
It is irresponsible to date someone for long without marriage? Because? What is your understanding of the word "responsibility"?
So why do you run from risk of Singlehood?
Why is it compulsory I want anyone with me 24/7? Why do I need to exchange things on a daily basis rather than when I choose?
That is why their is vagrant extra-marital affairs in virtually all relationships? Even the ones where one partner is giving all?
Dogmatic tosh.
Most of my friends are well over 10 years of friendship. Scrap that. MAJORITY are. Some as much as 20 years.
Cut the nurtured, follow-follow, dogmatic, populist tosh and think logically.
queensmith: O no! fagamite- it doesnt apply to you,
it doesnt apply to to confused, in the closet, narcissists, devoid of basic human emotions.
im sure one of your buddy friends will make an analysis for your type soon. . . . you just sit down there and wait. . . . . .one of your female friends will come and beg you with 'good women' from poland.
'Good women' from Poland are a far more attractive proposition than a smelly, obese, ugly ghetto skank.
Analytical: Secondly, marriage is for mutual society. We are created males and females. In fact most things in life are in pairs! For a proper functioning most things, natural and artificial, work in pairs! From animals to mundane things like a pair of plugs and sockets! For you to derive the benefits thereof, you have to work the pair! Embedded in marriage are its own mutual benefits. When two people of like minds come together in a mariage covenant, they vow to exist exclusively for each other. You totally own the other. It is mutual. The one person I can truly call my own all lifelong is my wife and vice-versa.
The two bring their skills, values, strengths, advantages, prowess, efforts etc to the table. The result is better imagined. Two are better than one. Marriage should add to you, not subtract from you. If you have 1 skill before, in marriage it comes at least 2 skills. Better still if the skills complement each other! Like males like females. You don't have your gadget running until the male plug has entered the female socket!
Maybe part of the problems people have is when they begin to look at their spouses as competitors instead of 'complementors'. Oh, she is coming to deplete my resources! Oh she is coming to reap where she did not sow! Oh he is a gold digger! Oh, she is after my money! Oh he is after my body! How I wish you can see marriage as being mutually helpful, finding the person to help and complement your efforts.
Wrong!
Most things/relationships in life are polygamous.
Analytical: Thirdly, marriage is for truly fulfilling intimate desires without fear or shame! I am yet to see any society frowning on a man having se.x with his wife! Call it what you may, a fling is a fling and a se.xual act with a person other than your spouse is inappropriate culturally, religiously and otherwise, whether with/without consent. Bill Clinton will tell us more about inappropriate behaviours!
If you truly want to engage in se.x without any hangover, psychologically, spiritually, culturally, emotionally, legally, or otherwise, then get married and stay faithful!
Fourthly, marriage is for procreation and posterity. The natural products of a marriage are children! Children born outside marriage are to be exceptions- out of sin, mistakes, errors, or crime. The ideal is for kids to be raised in a marriage, in a family setting where they are taught morals and values. No one wants to sire kids scattered all over town with different partners.
Fifthly, marriage makes you responsible. Some have talked about this already. Certain positions in society are reserved for the married or let me say are more dignifying when you are married. That you are committed to a home and responsible for a spouse and kids brings a certain air of responsibility. Society places a value on you when you are. You command respect in certain quarters.
Analytical: Sigh! How did we end up like this? I actually feel sad reading through majority of what is posted here. How times have changed! And the yardstick for measuring it altered! Now, what used to be the norm is gradually being relegated and derided. Then, we wonder what has happened to societal values. We wonder why morals are extinct. We wonder why juvenile crimes and teenage horrors are on rampage. We are surprised at what kids are turning into!
Why should we, when the very building block of society is broken down. Marriage is that very fabric on which society is woven. It is that closely knitted unit on which society is built. To dismantle it, is to dismantle society. Let's take a look around us now and compare with 50 or 60 years ago. There are no standards again. Morals are extinct. Values are gone. Society is broken down. What we have all over are dysfunctional families (no offence intended) and it all starts from a mindset like many of the posters here that think marriage is all overrated!
That we have abuse does not mean the real thing doesn't exist or people should not aspire for it. Let me state here that I am not against singlehood, if one so desires neither am I for a forced marriage merely for the sake of it. For the OP asking for real reasons why marriage is worth it, let me venture some; perhaps there may be a change of heart.
First, marriage is for companionship. I mean that in every sense of the word. For singles out there wondering whether this 'thing' called marriage is worth it at all, thinking why not have a string of girl or boy friends to satisfy se.xual desires or baby mamas to have kids with, please think again. Let me ask you, as I am asking the OP: After those romps, don't you feel a void somewhere? When you are really alone, in those sober moments, don't you yearn and long for the real deal? Don't you feel the need for that special one who you can truly and deeply pour your heart to?
What happens when you are tired, sick, lonely, stressed, worn-out, discouraged, distressed or sad? Which of the baby mamas/papas do you run to? Which of the grilfriends/boyfriends are actually interested in your mood swings and eager to see you in that state? What of when you need to share your joys, achievements, accolades, promotions, liftings, dreams, aspirations, visions with someone? Do you plan your future with a one-night-stand?
We humans need companionship. It is the way we are wired. And I dare say, there is no other place that need is truly and totally met as in marriage! Prove me wrong if you can. Friends are good. Colleagues are great. But a spouse is the deal. Life can be miserable without a companion. Yes, you are succesful, you have money and all that, but when it comes down to the very basics, the truth is that we all yearn for true companionship. Without it, all seems vain.
Let me break this so my post is not too long.
You say you are not against singlehood, then you yarn a lot of thrash demeaning it.
What makes you think single people don't have long term relationships? They are just in a better position to end such relationships when it is of no more use to them.
They have sufficient companionship and have friends they can share joys with or their current companion.
Also, not everyone is eager for the emotional dosh you listed there. They are in better position to shape and elect the lifestlye best suited for them at any stage in their lives as environmental factors change.
Cut the fear crap. You think there are no risk to marriage? Have you considered some people are not interested in others mood swings? Do you not tie yourself in that in marriage? What if you marry and your partner then becomes someone with a hereditary disability? Your life ends as you become a carer? You might not even have a sex life anymore.
sinistyle: Tool! So you brought your masochistic a[i]s[/i]s for more whooping. How nice. You illiterate poof! Have you sucked so much d[i]ic[/i]k that you have become a d[i]ic[/i]k yourself? You know what they say, "you are what you eat". . . Obi didn't do anything spectacular? Then prove it, slowpoke. The onus is on you.
The only game we lost, he didn't feature. The game vs Guinea we drew, he was subbed off. It doesn't matter that Guinea scored, what matters is that by the time he came off, we were in a winning position. We achieved better results with Obi on the pitch, it's an indubitable fact and this points to the fact that he was indeed spectacular. He was very important to the team.
Football is a team sport, true! but doesn't in anyway mean that there are no stand out individuals. Even FIFA re cognizes outstanding individuals by giving out the World Footballer of the Year Award. You cretinously configured beast of burden, It's no secret Ethiopia is one of the highest points on the continent and that the high altitude was gonna be a problem for us. NFF cannot claim ignorance.
You are a cretin!
Stop feeding us your fetishes. If you like to swallow d[i]i[/i]ck, keep it on a down-low as they use people like you for bon-fire in Nigeria.
So now you have reverted to the same style of proof that your fellow cretinous product of a failed education reverts to when struggling: Tell the person asking for proof to go and bring the proof.
Fooool, so you can't prove Obi was anything spectacular? You can't tell me how many goals he created. How many man of the matches he won. How many goals he stopped. But you open your cretinous gob to say he was the reason we played well when we could not even qualify for ANC? He was so vital that the coach substituted him in a match? FOOOOOL.
So how come the minnows are so strong but yet the players you refer to as weaker than Obi still qualified us for ANC?
You said you "proved" earlier. That was the proof you were taught?
Cretinous product of a failed education system.
sinistyle: Playing football or any intense, energy sapping and physically exerting sport at high altitude accelerates the heartbeat, leaves one gasping for breath and get tired easily. The team only arrived Ethiopia some 6-8hrs before the game, went straight to their hotel rooms, ate, took a nap and did not even workout on the stadium pitch as they should have done and so were not fully used to the playing surface. The team was not well prepared. Acclimatizing to playing at high altitude is not an easy task. Some teams even resort to sleeping in special nets and tents just to acclimatize. At the end of the day, what we had was a team that was jetlagged, extremely fatigued(they played Argentina four days earlier), not used to the playing surface which was very rough and bumpy and had not acclimatized to playing at high altitude.
You are a cretin!
They arrived 9 hours (7am) before the match (4pm) and drew with a team of total amateurs that have never qualified for 30 years with Obi in the centre of midfield when goals were conceded.
What altitude excuses are you giving? If they defended all game and it was 0-0, we can say "well, ok" but they scored 2 with Obi on the pitch. We had to equalise in the 86 minute to even get the draw.
How can a team that arrived 9 hours before a match after a mere 4-hour flight be "jet-lagged". You are a FOOOL!
sinistyle: You are irredemably daft! Can you point to any game in the past where the SE had to play under circumstances similar to the one I explained above. You are a super-tool
The SE played against SA in Port Elizabeth (with the same climate as Addis Ababa) in 2010 WCQ and won 1-0.
SA, a team 10 times stronger. You are a cretin!
sinistyle: Strong enough to knock out Egypt - winners of the last 3 editions? Strong enough to knock out Nigeria and Cameroon? Even Ghana were seriously pushed and had to get a result away against Sudan to qualify. If you didn't have a sub zero IQ you would realize that football in Africa is presently at a level higher than ever before.
You are a cretin!
So how come they were not strong enough to knock us off in 2008 and 2010 when we were playing stronger teams than Madagascar, Ethiopia and Guinea?
sinistyle: You ordure-eating sewer rat, there's no standard look for a 16 year old or any age at that matter. The way you look depends on alot of factors like genes, environment, your physical condition, economic factors that determine what type of food you eat, the kind of healthcare you receive, etc. There's nothing strange about Rabiu that I can point to and label him an age cheat except maybe his hardened face which is very understandable. He grew up in Kano. He's definitely not the 'aje butter' type. He probably had to walk long miles to and from school under very hot sun. He's the type that had to hustle hard to live his dream.
You are a deluded cretin!
There is no way a 16 year old looks? So it just happens that Nigeria always have players with hardened faces? If you go on the streets of Nigeria, virtually none of our 14-16 from even poor families look like that. Only Nigerian players have been playing pro-football in our top league for 5 years and still claiming 17?
You are a product of a failed education system. Say "Yes, Sir".
So Rabiu has been playing for Gateway in NPL since he was 13, right? Your dumb arse from our failed education system believe that? But yet, he can not get games in top EU clubs when he is 20? Can you see how dumb you are? Are you still arguing like a cretin?
Only players like Nigeria's start playing in local top flight football at 13. And they are the ones to retire at 27 after they have struggled to run for the last 4 years. And your dumb arse says they are not cheating. Teachers training College education?
sinistyle: You just don't go about making ludicrous statements that you cannot prove, you dumbfuck! I'm pretty sure if Anichebe had grown up in Nigeria, you would have labelled him an age cheat because of how abnormally big he is for his age. F[i]oo[/i]l -thunder fire that person that released you from your cage.
Cretin! Being big is normal for children of that age in the UK.
Your daft arse does not realise having a 25 year old face is not normal in anywhere in the world, talkless of Nigeria. Then a country brings 23 players and 19 look like 25 year olds.
Fooool, so Stanley Okoro is 19? And you claim not to be a product of a failed education system.
sinistyle: F[i]oo[/i]l - product of a cheap drunk f[i]uc[/i]k. Barca's reserves play in a level below La Liga? The fact remains that Romeu was playing for Barca's reserves and it has not taken him anything to establish himself at Chelsea. He only made one first team appearance for Barca. The fact that you're playing for the reserves or the youth teams doesn't mean you're not good. . . . Alvaro Moratta, top scorer at the 2011 UEFA Euro Under 19 championship, how many first team appearances has he made?
Is that the excuse your parents gave you of how kids are conceived? Tell them you have found out the truth!
You are a cretin!
So you have seen a list of highly regarded 20 year olds that play football at the top and justified their acclaim? You were asking me a DUMB question? FOOOOOOOOOOL!
How can you compare Romeu to Rabiu when he plays in the 2nd highest division in Spain regularly. That is like playing for West Ham or Nottingham Forrest.
You did not check you facts before you came to SAGAMITE! Foooool! You were too dumb to realise Barcelona B was a highly competitive team?
You have cement for brains. On what grounds do you compare Romeu and Altidore to Rabiu? You have a genetic brain disorder that you keep on coming with such idiotic comparisons?
Now the cretin brings another moronic example of some u-19 player. You are scraping the bottom of your shallow intellectual barrel?
You are feeling the heat? YOU ARE SUYA!
sinistyle: What of Iago Falque of Spain, you miserable wretch. Surely, he was one of the stars of that tournament. He played in the final against Nigeria and was even one of the penalty takers. Juventus signed him after that tournament and he made exactly 0 first team appearance. He was sold to Tottenham where he is still yet to break into the first team and is currently on loan at Southampton. Is he an age cheat too? That you shone at a youth competition does not automatically mean you've arrived and you will immediaely start making first team appearances. Truth is, for every Tony Kroos, there's a Rabiu Ibrahim and for every Bojan Krkic, there's an Iago Falque.
You are a cretin!
Still struggling? Another moronic example.
Explain to me how he Iago Falque was a star of the tournament! It is me SAGAMITE you think you can pick facts from thin air from.
Answer that question before I even destroy you further. FOOOOL!
YOU ARE SUYA!
sinistyle: Pedantry! The point I was making was how you could still be successful at the NT level without being very successful playing for club.
You are a cretin!
How did you decide to use someone playing regularly to compare to someone we are talking of that can not get a game and your DAFT arse said we should invite to SE.
How did you decide compare Altidore to Rabiu. ANSWER, FOOOL!
sinistyle: You're a tool! You're the prototype pudden head! Vladimir Weiss made four appearances for Slovakia en route qualification for the 2010 world cup and played very well.
You are a cretin!
How did making appearance equate to being "crucial". Is that what you were taught in school?
Was it a Teachers Training College in Ngieria?
sinistyle: You must've been born brain dead! Why did Man City offer Hargreaves trials? Could it be because it is perfectly OK for a player offered trials? Maybe you should go and ask Mancini, eejit!
You are a cretin!
The only reason a player of Hargreaves calibre was going through trials was because he was constantly/permanently injured and had not played regularly for years.
Another moronic comparison by a cretinous product of a failed education system. You were scraping the bottom of your shallow intellectual barrel for examples?
FOOOL! Explain to me how you claimed a player that is constantly going for trials is highly regarded in Europe!
queensmith: I think thats what suprises me about some of the females here. Trying to convince faga that good females exist? Erm why?? If good females exist and he wasnt aware of them whose fault is that? Now trying to prove to him that they do just defies all points of this argument. Which is not whether females exist, but whether marriage is indeed worthwhile. Soo tru when they say a woman is a womans biggest enemy *rolls eyes*
@chaircovers post- #thatisall.
And to men that will see faga's post and try to follow suit, i sorry for you oooo! Lol
Behind closed doors faga is in a long term commited relationship to his high school boyfriend. A word is enough for the wise
Ayamma-mama, lets summarise your obese, personality and intellectual attractiveness again.
You guys should stop patronising Sagamite, even Moremi2008 who started this thread has admitted that he wants to get married with a big Owambe Wedding, so why are we arguing with Sagamite? It is obvious that his wooing skills are poor hence the big "I don't need women show". You see a nice girl with qualities you want: be humble and go for her, massage her ego, beg, plead for her to say yes. It is the way any woman who knows her true value will be- so you need to deal with it instead of sissy-footing (don't let me use foul language, it is not in my nature).
Bring your sister close to me and you will see what the game is when a real player plays it.
People in my league don't beg. Let the amateurs like you beg and plead. We play hard to get. And the girls pursue themselves.
armyofone: Blimey!! 140 pages and counting, phew .
i can imagin Saga in old age: bald, half glass, pushing cart with only pet food inside , holding dictionary of list of food with vitamin C.
Pray hard, the right woman will come. Prayer is the key
Don't let your imagination run wild.
I eat dogs and cats, how the hell will I have pet food in my basket. More like suya and bbq mix to cook them.
chaircover: Actually TOH is right. Men do benefit from marriage. Key is if he has married the right woman and he is the right man for his wife.
Whether we like to admit it or not, human beings crave relationships, to be loved and to be accepted. That is why we have social skills, so that we fit in.
Women love weddings agreed. The woman will be gushing over wedding dresses, while the husband to be sits there looking bored LOL
But weddings are diffferent from marriage. A man who has a permanent good woman by his side is going to enjoy a better quality of like than a man who has several jump offs on the go. It is a dirty life, a complicated life and deep down in you, you know that the women are only giving you the time of day because of your money.
Commitment goes a long way and I am prepared to invest my last penny in my husband because we are one, whilst no concubine will spend a penny on a man if possible. Many men say that they experience great promotion after they get married and that the wifes feet are good (a yoruba saying) there is nothing spiritual about it, its just because the two are working together hand in hand to reach a common goal and as they say two heads are better than one.
Botomline is to look for and marry the right woman and Make hay while the sun shines.
ThiefOfHearts: Exactly especially the bolded. Why did Ojukwu remarry after 4 kids with his 1st wife? Look at Paul McCartney. After losing how much money with his 2nd wife, did he not get married AGAIN? and you cant even use the case of "well he needs a mother for his kids", his children ARE GROWN and out of the house. so explain that? abeg.
Why?
Younger woman looking to settle down.
McCartney might be slightly different as he comes across as emotional weak/in touch with his feminine side bollocks.
ThiefOfHearts: Everyday women talk about how much work marriage is. I know MANY who have said that if their husband were to leave or die, they would NEVER remarry. they will just have a bf. They wouldnt do it again. Lion share of the raising of the kids, Majority of the domestic work/cleaning, the one most likely to compromise the most and end up being her needs last after husband and kids.
It's even documented that married men live longer than single men. Why is this even an argument?
They are deceiving you.
They are the same one quick to scream that younger people should marry. They are the "aunties" naijababe was referring to, always trying to play cupid.
How can they not be happy with marriage but vigorously pushing family members to it?
Women LOVE marriage. They might not be happy with their marriage but they[i] lurve[/i] marriage.
ThiefOfHearts: Keep telling yourself that. Not every bride is between 21-30. and I believe c.fours said 45 year old MEN dont talk about "enjoying the single life". How many thread do we even have here sef by guys "I am 35 and looking to get married"
What proportion are not 21-40 in comparison to men of same ages?
ThiefOfHearts: Sagamite, you are a typical alpha male that cant stand being wrong esp to a woman so abeg lets just end this now sinc3e i know you wont let up. Biko. it's after 1am. GO TO SLEEP
In my tribe, women are not allowed to talk back. [Straight face]
Family › Re: Is Marriage Worth It For Guys? by Sagamite(m): 1:36am On Feb 09, 2012
