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Femi 1 thank for information maybe this Guy he like to become a politician that is why he is using

Islam as a source of information to attract people.

davidyland

Samba when next you want to quote, do not so out of hypocrisy . . . here is what i TRULY said

I know sin from the standpoint of the bible
why did you man of deciet deliberately omit the last 3 words?
I asked a valid question, its ok to say you are confused.

Then only in your book you know what Sin therein. It is obvious to explain that a person like you are born yesterday that do not know what the meaning of the Sin. Wait are you a little child born yesterday? It appears to me you like a Sinless person who do not know what Sin is it. Much for you hyper perched duplicity lol.


Ayinda just like to voice out what he really think about you lol. If you’re professional and decent person you should say something “ for the sake of discussion or‘go on’ or you may disagree/agree giving your own assertion do you think its difficult to say like that. Uuh maybe possibly not :

Davidyland

please kindly show me a verse that EXPRESSLY echoes this thought

He Asked

I know what sin is from the standpoint…

He knowed

Just posting any verse because it contains "sin" as a word is not acceptable…,

He contradict / disagree

Going through the rest of the garbage you people come up with is a waste of time. Just look at the contradiction you have above. . .

He trashed

If indeed sin is ONLY against yourself then why is Allah bothering to forgive them? Kindly explain

He ask again to explain? For what! To oppose and junk,? it’s a futile argument they think we are not capable to do something we do not believe.

Cayon:
the Quoran that I have says this

Ali-'Imran: 134

This are the passage in

Al Imran chapter 3:134 Those who spend (of that which Allah hath given them) in ease and in Adversity, those who control their wrath and are forgiving toward mankind: Allah loveth the Good;

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Be good to parents and to kindred and to orphans and needy, and speak kindly to mankind; and establish worship and pay the poor due. Chapter 2: 83

And as for those who believe and do Good works, He will pay them their wages in full. Allah loveth not wrongdoers. Al Imran Chapter 3: 57

DeepZone:
Can someone take this Taliban off my back please.

how can we help you if the Taliban mark it on your back.

purters:
whao, its been a hard one,but my advice is this , we don't have to be religious fanatics or condemn any religion, i belief it is our personal relationship with God that matters . A xtian could be a brother to a muslim, i believe we shld live in peace with one another despite diff in beliefs. i have asked my self this question and that is will a xtian not make heaven because he is not a muslim or vice versa my ans is no God love us all whether black or white, muslim or christian i love you all because we are all tha products of the 1st man and woman

We love you so sister

davidylan:
This is rubbish. Is it possible for a textbook/manual to speak about evolution without clearly defining what evolution means? Every textbook or spiritual book you see today clearly defines what its central concepts are about without being a dictionary.

then you want us to change the content of the Quran ? and turn it like a textbook with terminology and meaning each word or phrase therein. the textbook or spiritual book of manmade cannot be compare to Quran, because Quran comprises of chapters and verses as compare to those standard/classical book.

If sin will keep an individual out of "heaven" why is the quran curiously silent on WHAT SIN TRULY IS? The quran speaks about sins but does it tell you WHY those things constitute a sin?

You re a Christian/Catholic you find such concept like that in you mind. Quran are not silencing about Sin it speak about Sins and no sins. how could you label such thing if you are quessing in your own thought without any knowledge or without reading the entire Verses.

That is no excuse mr. Your physics textbook clearly defined what motion was before going on to describe it. Its not a webster's dictionary either. When next you want to give an excuse make it slightly more cerebral.

Avoiding such allegation like that are useless and I repeat our Quran is not Physics, mathematic, science, or philosophy take it or leave it.

How then does allah remove sin? Kindly show us in the quran.

Chapter 40:55 then have patience (o Muhammad) lo! The promise of Allah is true. And ask forgiveness of they Sin, and hymn the praise of thy Lord at fall of night and in the early hours.

simple and understandable no need to take a translator/interpretation. if you do not know how Muslims praise Allah (swt) I can give you some like
1. Alhamdullillah
2. Subhana Allah
3. Allahu Akbar
4.Astagfirullah

Its amazing that people can follow a religion when they don't even know its most important principles.

that is want you think! what I think is not the same us you like it. and I know you're style lol.

Davidyland

I know what sin is from the standpoint…

them its obvious to explained what sin it is period.

please kindly show me a verse that EXPRESSLY echoes this thought

.

These are the verses speak about the Sin I just put few of them.

Chapter 3: 135 and those who, when they do an evil thing or wrong themselves, remember Allah and implore forgiveness for their Sins. Who forgiveth Sins save Allah only?. And will not knowingly repeat (the wrong) they did.

Chapter 4:2 Give unto orphans their wealth. Exchange not the good for the bad(inyour management thereof) nor absorb their wealth into your own wealth. Lo! That would be a great Sin.


Chapter 4:48 Lo! Allah forgiveth not that a partner should be ascribed unto Him. He forgiveth (all) save that to whom He will. Whoso ascribeth partners to Allah, he hath indeed invented a tremendous Sin.

Chapter 4: 50 See, how they invent Lies about Allah! That of itself is flagrant SIN.

Chapter 4: 111
Whose committeth sin committeth it only against himself. Allah is ever knower, wise.

Chapter 5:62 and thou seest many of them vying one with another in SIN and transgression and their devouring of[b] illicit gain.[/b] Verily evil is what they do.

Chapter 17: 31 slay not your children, fearing a fall to poverty, we shall provide for them and you . lo! The slaying of them is great SIN.

Chapter 24: 11 Lo! They who spread the slander are a gang among you. Deem it not a bad thing for you; say,it is good for you. Unto every man of them will be paid that which he hath earned of the Sin; and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be an awful doom.

Chapter 33:58 and those who malign believing men and believing women undeservedly, they bear the guilt of slander and manifest Sin.

Just posting any verse because it contains "sin" as a word is not acceptable…,

see how he contradicted himself here on the other question he asked.

how we can get through this point if you are not accepting any verses/passages in the Quran. You’re contradicting your question, on the other hand you will not accepts any of those thing mention in the Quran. What else do you like to show us here if you do not want any answer from the Quran, which is the most fundamental principle of the Muslims theology nothing to Argue anymore.

Davidyland.

what is the quranic definition of SIN?

Quran is not a dictionary were you can find such description of sin but rather it’s speak about sins. If you like I can give you a lots of passages in the Quran talk about sin.

surely if islam acknowledge sin it must be because it is clearly spelt out in the quran not so?

I repeat Quran is not a Webster dictionary.

How does allah plan to remove my sins?

Allah doesn’t perform surgery to removed such Sin embedded in your heart. I donot know what kind of people is this? Are they serious about this kind of Question? I think we must go back to a kindergarten school to learn more.

Sound like you are Atheism does not believe in the existence of Allah (swt) attributes. We know our difference nothing more to argue a believer is a believer and non believer is a non believer, a good is a good and bad is a bad. and if the Truth had followed their desires, verily the heavens and earth and whosoever is therein had been corrupted. Nay. We have brought them their Reminder, but from their Reminder they now turn away (23:71)

jayon:
how can islam tackle terror , contribution please

Dealing with the problem in our society is not just Terrorism we have a lots of problems and we have been experiencing in our Life. These questions had been circulating all around.

Muslim label continue in every form of the media accompanied by gross misinformation about Islam, such misinformation and false propaganda often leads to discrimination and acts of violence against Muslims world.

*The only thing we can tackle is to give advice or dawaah in our own community that is the best ways.

*Advertising using the media and issuing pamphlets

*Educate those people who are misinform about Islam.

*Symposium in a public place

*Inviting groups or association in every sectors of society and establishing a common term and idea to focus and educate more people regarding Islamic belief and teaching of the Quran and Sunnah of our Prophet (saw).

These things can improve regarding those people who oppose and can educate/teach them that Muslims are tolerant religion in our society.

try this thread talk about lots of contradiction in the Bibles

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-112751.0.html

reindeer:
what a crock!
never heard more tales by moonlight that what you gys are spewing out here, is it that religion dulls the senses or what
look, be it virgin mary or the one that had jived around.be it a piece of suya or a whole cow with the phoney inscription,fact is, people make things up to justify believing what is obviously very stupid to believe in, your dieties ,if really they are as powerful as you guys claim should splash their inscriptions accross the midday sun allover the world,maybe we may believe you then.
abeg,
a year old kid shouldnt believe such cockamaney! i can easily carve the trash on a piece of suya and toss it in the microwave and y'all will bow down to worship it,
seek other signs.

I rather give credit to that picture instead of seeing those manmade statues of Jesus and Mary in the church, which constitute an idol worshipper that most of you Christian belief. Who made those figure? Did Jesus tell them make image/likeness to embellish him?

skfa1:
Jesus is the son of God

how about Adam and Eve are they not son of God?

what do you think we are naive enought to believed you

see your self first before you comment

why here you're confessing your sin? do you think that this forum for give your sin? were are not Priest/ or god to accept those confess sin of yours. try it on the church lol.

this issue are now common among the christian, they have allowed to marry the same sexest, call it what ever you like and they say's Freedom of choice.

reindeer:
Damn right hilarious!!!
humans, always loking for an avenue to proclaim belief in their god,how come the meat could only be found in the northern parts where islam reigns?if this god wanted to proclaim himself/herself/itself wont it be better if such was found in parts where people don't believe him/her/it? there i guess the impact will be more felt.
so the lesson,next time stage such in lagos, or port harcourt.
really guys, are we now that gullible?
hahahahaha hilllaaaarrrriiiooouuussss!!!!!

It’s not hilarious to see is to believe right? It a fact not only one but plenty of them universally can be found. If you can read Arabic word you can also find like that thing around you. if not you miss that opportunity for that specific kind of thing that which Allah are showing a sign of his Attributes in this world.

We are not a fantasy fort telling story that you Christian are fun of it. Like The miracle of virgin mary, crying or appearing in person. And praying him as mediator that is shriek or association with god is still on your belief.

Jesoul

I'm tempted to give you the go-ahead to "produce these atrocities" but let me save you the failure your efforts will produce.

How can I failed went all the written history and accounts have be recorded in the Bible. It’s not a failure to produce such a passage when you read the genocide, murder, human sacrifice all can be institute as the originator of Christianity instinct. Muslim are most distressed to this problem now a days the best example we can see the War in Afghanistan and Iraq are still many Muslims suffering to this kind of incident. What about the killing happen in University in London and America that Christians accounted for that deed? You see this kind of incident are not widely spread they just compound the problem in their own community. If Muslim committed that act, all the media around the world will condemn the entire Muslim as terrorist. And I don’t know what terrorist means in Christianity? How they called a Christianity terrorist when doing such a violent act in the community? What is the different between Christian Terrorist and Muslim Terrorist?

Do they really? After September 11th and July 7th in london what we saw on cnn were islamic countries, their people on their streets jubilating, celebrating those terrible acts. Where were the clerics and alhajis chastising the people for acting like that? rather they were leading the celebration. So please don't think I'm naive enough to believe the fairytale that islam is a religion of peace. . . even my 3yr old niece knows that is a BIG LIE!

You are accusing the entire Muslims world. What a gullible people you are?
They just like to focus and divert the story to the Muslims people so that they can get much more attention and hatred. Is there any witnesses in that 9/11.? Until now they can’t find anyone who’s the perpetrator. There is a possibility the one who is accusing is the one who accounted for that event. Imagine a fully guarded and well equip with high technology can be boasted on that event without any sense at all just think about that.

and even you Niece you're teaching how to hate people, well its should be a good manner if that sooo.

There have been billions of threads here on Nairaland showing verses in your qoran that encourage you to fight jihad and destroy the unbelievers, there is no need for me to repeat them a simple search will show you.

I though you are well educated to put the word. BILLIONS OF THREAD ON NAIRALAND I was shock wow wow wow oh come on are your out of mind like a crazy fellow throwing word without thinking that? take a look first lady Jesoul before you comment the thread in Religion here in Nairaland if they reach a Billion ? give me those result can you? What a naïve?

where is our Lady soul she still absent for the whole weeks ohh Olypic game in China is approaching don't go there until this forum is finish we are waiting for you.

reindeer:
@abdkabir
didnt know ill find one very sensible person here.
You are a really reasonable person,and i think you shold leave alone those self-righteous know-it-alls alone.
they just don't get it, and they'll argue till kingdom come.

arque them in the best way

that what My Quran say.

tearface:
The book is too large. Can somebody please tell me how to post it?I can't even copy it.

break them into two or four part

longer paragraph take me time to read and spend most of that time reading.

Cayon:
Geez, so this is where this thread ended up. I was up and down in the Christian Section for two days looking for this thread.

Phew!!! Not even a note to say "hey Cayon, guess what? gyal we moved your thread and you can't do a damn thing about it" some moderators y'all be. oh well!

don't be so sentimental about your posted thread

don't be call the attention of all the people here because it has nothing do with us

take you time and educate yourself


peace salam shalom

Jesoul

My dear brotha, just because all kinds of bad, evil, murderous people have committed crimes while falsely using the bible or christianity as their justification has no significance to this discussion.

You are always denying the truth of the evil act that Christians are doing ever since those accounts anywhere can be found. And don’t generalize the whole story that Muslims are accountable to that actions. While you’re hiding behind your back, take your history first and compare it now a day you still wrap with that principle. I can put those atrocity written in your book if you like to.

The fact is mooslims committ all kinds of acts of violence, in the name of Jihad - and sanctioned by your qorani, and many of them do this with the expectation of reaping a luscious reward in the form of 70virgins

Islam doesn’t promote violence as what you hear in the Media and in newspaper, they are unfairness people among the Muslims world when somebody take action of evilness in the community and spread the news around the world to hates them.

Quran says
‘Whosoever killeth a human being for other than man slaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveh the life of one, it shall be as if he had; saved the life of all mankind. (Surah Al maidah, verse 32)

Do the Quran authorized those evils act or the individual who violated the sanctity of God laws?

We Muslims are not a voracious of collecting/reaping those 70 virgins of what you think as a reward. One is okey, two is additional, and 3 is to much. We’re not like the Christian they think they can sits all the women around. Watch you partner mybe sitting other are not a breach of contract ? if you’re watching Moment of Truth 99% of them have a lustful relationship oh see what money Versus morality are?

Get some info in this site read some about Islam common question.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-152378.0.html



Peace Salam Shalom

RedHotChic:
Thank you sweetheart but I may not be able to answer the latter because

1) I don't have a koran

2) I've not read it before so how will I be able to find any object of controversy without reading one?

take time to research and read more about Islam I think you can come up to the conclusion.


peace salam shalom

davidylan:
blabs, can you talk of the quran for once without including these three things:

- Jews
- Christians
- The bible.

Do you need such as a crutch for an unstable religion?

of course there are many thing you can talk without those mention scriptures, the Quran in every day life you can hear in every Mosques reading and spreading dawaah to the people after prayer or before prayer.

Insha Allah that we can educates most of this Christian who are not familiar of our Islamic Religion

Insha Allah by this information they can get educated.


Thank Brother May Allah bless you for putting this information here.

JeSoul:
Alhaji instead of just sticking to the post you've started your usual attack on Christianity . When will you realize that your efforts and not just only in vain, but they are woefully fruitless in changing anybody's mind here?

  Anyways I know none of our mooslims (especially the men ) will accept the german professors interpretation . . .  I can hear them screaming and clamoring now "
   " what do you mean we won't get our 70 virgins? after all that rioting, bombing, beheading and fighting? . . ." 

JeSoul ,

Who Orchestrate the first bombing of nuclear bomb?

Who orchestrate the first rioting?

Who orchestrate the brutal killing of millions of Jews?


don't escape goat this question the most brutal and barbaric that most christian are doing still you can find most of this in this twenty one century.

Latest news for today July 19, 2008

Pope apologizes for clergy sexual abuse


By ROHAN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writer 3 minutes ago


SYDNEY, Australia - Pope Benedict XVI said he was "deeply sorry' for the sexual abuse of children by Australia's Catholic clergy, delivering a strongly-worded apology Saturday that described their acts as evil and a grave betrayal of trust.


"I would like to pause to acknowledge the shame which we have all felt as a result of the sexual abuse of minors by some clergy and religious in this country," Benedict said during an address at a Mass in Sydney.
"I am deeply sorry for the pain and suffering the victims have endured. I assure them as their pastor that I too share in their suffering," he said.
"Those responsible for these evils must be brought to justice."
Benedict has expressed regret before about the clergy abuse scandal that has rocked the church in recent years — notably during a visit to the United States in April when he also met privately with a small number of victims. But the language of Saturday's apology was stronger than the pope's comments in the United States.
Vatican spokesman Rev. Federico Lombardi said the pope added the words that he was deeply sorry to the original text given to reporters because he wanted to "personally underline" that he felt close to the victims.
There was no immediate word whether Benedict would meet with victims of clergy abuse during his Australia trip, which ends Monday.
Anthony Foster, the father of two Australian girls who were allegedly raped by a Catholic priest as children, has been publicly seeking a meeting with Benedict during his visit. He said he was disappointed the pope's remarks repeated the church's expressions of regret but offered no practical assistance for victims.
"What we haven't had is an unequivocal, unlimited practical response that provides for all the victims for their lifetime," he said. "The practical response needs to include both financial help ,  and psychological help."
Support groups for victims of church abuse in Australia, whose numbers are not known but who activists say are in the thousands, accuse the church of covering up of the scale of the problem and fighting compensation claims lodged in civil courts.
"Sorry is not enough. Victims want action, not just words," the Broken Rites group said in a statement posted Saturday on its Web site.
The pontiff is in Australia to lead hundreds of thousands of pilgrims in the church's World Youth Day, a global celebration meant to inspire a new generation of Catholics.
During his appearances in Australia, Benedict has spoken about the need to strengthen traditional Christian values including charity and chastity, and decried the selfishness and greed of today's "cult of material possessions."
In his remarks Saturday, the pope said the sexual abuse scandal had badly damaged the church.
"These misdeeds, which constitute so grave a betrayal of trust, deserve unequivocal condemnation," he said. "They have caused great pain, they have damaged the church's witness."
About 500 people protested Saturday for what they called the pope's antiquated and discriminatory views, holding a contest for the T-shirt that would most annoy Roman Catholics and chanting: "The pope is wrong, put a condom on!"
The boisterous protest at a square in the city's center included inflated condoms floating above the crowd and some participants dressed as nuns and priests. They listened to speeches by activists supporting sex education and safe sex practices at Taylor Square.
"It's good that people protest against the pope's homophobia and misogyny," Alex Bainbridge of the Socialist Alliance told the crowd. "We don't want a war against sex, we want a war against sexually transmitted infections. We're here for the people who could be saved if they had adequate sex education and access to condoms."
Police on horseback and on foot patrolled the site at Taylor Square, but there were no signs of trouble.
Papal apologies have been few in the long history of the church, mostly confined to correcting historical errors such as condemning Galileo for maintaining that the Earth is not the center of the universe or asking forgiveness for the sins of Christians over the centuries.
But Benedict also said he was "deeply sorry" regarding remarks on Islam he made in Germany in 2006 that linked the religion to violence and set off a fury across the Muslim world.
Pope John Paul II's plan for a sweeping apology timed for the new millennium in 2000 drew resistance from some cardinals. But John Paul went ahead, asking forgiveness for the sins of Catholics through the ages, including wrongs inflicted on Jews, women and minorities.
Among other apologies, John Paul, during a 1992 visit to Senegal asked forgiveness for Christians involved in the slave trade and during a 1995 visit to the Czech Republic for violence by Catholics against Protestants during the 16th century.
Benedict will join tens of thousands of young Catholics for a couple of hours later Saturday at an open-air vigil held at a horse race track in Sydney. He will lead a Mass on Sunday before a crowd estimated at more than 200,000 that will mark the culmination of the World Youth Day festival.







http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080719/ap_on_re_au_an/australia_pope

Salamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

This definition I can give you about the Basmalah (بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم )[Bismi Allah ArRahman ArRaheem] taken from the book “The Creed” (Ibaadat) written by Sh. Mohammad bin Saalih Al Uthaimeen (RA) rendered in English by: Dr. Saleh AsSaleh.

*.Allah is the Alam (identifying name of title) of the Majestic, Sole, and True God. This noun, which is the Name of Allaah, applies to none other than Him. He, Most Majestic and High, has other Names all of which follow on from His Name, Allaah. The Meaning of the “Allaah” is the Ma’looh (that which is worshipped out of love, magnification, deification and longing) (see shayk Mohammad ibn Uthaymeen’s Sharhul Aqeedah al Waasitiyyah [Damman, KSA: Daar ibnul Jawzi, 2nd. Ed.1415/1994] p. 38 and Sharh Lum’at al –itiqaad (Ismaa’eeliyyah, Egypt: Maktababatul –Imaam al Bukhari (checked by Ashraf Maqsood ). 1412/1992 p.29.

**. Ar-Rahmaan (the One Who is Most Merciful): this is one of Allaah’s particular Names and which denotes the attribute of very great and entensive mercy, which exist with Him ( see Ibnul Qayyim’s Badaari’ Al fawaa’id (Beirut, Lebanon: Daarul Khayr, 1st ed. 1414/1994) vol.1 pp 23-24 and ibn Uthaymeen’s Sharhul Aqeedah al waasitiyyah, ibid.

*** Ar Raheem ( The One Who Bestows Mercy): This Name denotes that the Attribute is related to the Marhoom (i.e. the one whom Allaah chooses to receive His Rahmah (Mercy). So, the difference between Ar-Rahmaan and Ar-Raheem is that in the case of the former, Ar-Rahmah is His Attibute, and in the Latter, Ar-Rahman is His Act, meaning that He is the One who bestows Ar-Rahmah upon other. So, when both names come together [i.e Ar-Rahmaan, Ar-Raheem], then the meaning in this context is that Allah Mercy is very great and extensive, and that His mercy reaches His creation. This what is meant by those who say that Ar-Rahmaan is the One Whose Mercy encompasses everything (general Mercy), and Ar-Raheem is the One who has Mercy upon the believers (special Mercy). Since Allaah’s Mercy upon the kuffar is a special one in this life only, then it is as if they have no mercy upon them, because in the Hereafter when they will ask Allaah to save them from Hell and admit being wrong, Allaah will deal with them with His Justice, not His Mercy.
Quran says: Ramain you in it (hell) with ignomity and speak not to Me. (23:108)

The Name Ar-Raheem, is applied to Allah and may be applied to others. Allah has describes His Messenger Mohammad as Raheem (9:128) Ibn Katheer (RA) said: “Some of the Names of Allaah are restricted to Him only, like the Names: Allaah, Ar-Rahmaan, Al Khaaliq, Ar-Raaziq and so forth. Some other Names, however, may be applied to other than Him.” (see Badaai Al Fawaaid, p.24 sharhul Aqeedah Al waasitiyyah, pp 38-39, lum’atul Itiqaad, p29, tafseer ibn Uthaymeen Majmoo Fataawaa (Riyadh, KSA: Daar Ath-thuraya, ist ed 1414/1993) vol 6 p.11

The book/Quran begins with the Basmalah (بسم الله الرحمن الرجيم ) in adherence with the way of Allaah (Swt) in His book and the following the example of the Prophet (saw) who used to begin his letters with it. Given the aforementioned discussion of the meaning of the Names: Allaah, Ar-Rahmaan and Ar-Raheem, the meaning of the Basmalah is: “I begin [in this case “to write or read”] seeking the help and the blessings of each and every Name of the Names of Allaah (swt) whose very great and extensive mercy is His Attribute.”

May kelly:
Whether isah or isam what matters is that JESUS is the only name gvien among men by which you can be saved, but not Isah or anyother name. Please take note.

why you so a deceiver that the name of Jesus are not found in Aramaic word and the letter J/Jay in alphabet in Aramaic

is absent. its seem you did not take a look to the website I told you do hear how they called your Jesus name in Aramaic. go and figure it out okey

Peace salam shalom