₦airaland Forum

jpphilips: If they are not physicians, why are they aspiring to eat the physicians pie?
If they are not physicians, why will they want the physicians title?
If they can only dispense drugs, by all means stick to your B.pharm and D.pharm respectively and trust me, NMA wont complain.
OR
Do you want Nigerian tax payers to pay you a consultant's fee just for dispensing drugs? haba! what else is theft?

jpphilips: Point of correction, I am not one of you, I just went through the demands of the NMA and realized a few that are legitimate from a patient's perspective, reason I opened the thread, that does not in anyway undermine the other demands of NMA, I just considered them inconsequential for the sake of the thread.
Haven said that, I was expecting that asking for consultancy would have been the last on the list of events, IMHO, it is putting the cart before the horse.

Now, if JOHESU members really want to advance their careers, I don't see why the title "consultant" should stop them, if it takes 33courses and 6yrs (an example) for a doctor to earn that title, I don't expect anything less from the other allied medicals else, it will be very unfair to the doctors at the same time, nature like we know will follow the path of least resistance.

Answer me honestly, have you seen the curriculum drafted by JOHESU before fighting for the "consultant" title? I was expecting that if this is about career advancement, JOHESU president or whatever they have, should be able to sit with the NMA chairman probably with the minister of health to discuss the blue print and the curriculum before talking about titles, for sake of confusion, they may be given a different title but retain the benefits.

There must be order in our health care delivery, I emphasized so much on the "owning the patient" part because I know that is where the bulk of the responsibility lies, now JOHESU has absolutely nothing in the works to assume that responsibility, is it fair to the Doctors who may likely find himself taking the fall on a case where a consultant nurse has messed up since the consultant nurse is absolved from having the final say on a patient?

See through the bricks, this is about money and position nothing more, I don't have any problems with both, all I desire is where every penny is earned, If a nurse wants to advance her learning and she goes so far where she cannot own a patient, what is the Nigerian tax payers paying her for? or don't you want us to get value for our money?

Let us look at the University for example though not quintessential to the subject of discourse, Professorship is conferred on all depts, but before you get one, there is a guideline, there is a path, once you meet those requirements, you can easily become one, that is why a professor of yoruba studies can stand shoulder to shoulder with prof. of chemical Engineering even though they set out on different career path.

Let me ask you honestly, have you seen the guidelines JOHESU wants to use to become consultants? at least we know how doctors get there, how do they wish to be there? do you want a situation where a radiographer goes to India to learn how to switch off an X ray machine and comes back to claim consultant and we start paying? it doesn't make sense, it will be anarchy in the end, most medical students in sophomore classes knowing there is a way out, will pull out and switch to allied medical courses, give Nigeria just 10yrs and we wont have a single doctor again, It has happened before and we don't want it to repeat again, we have learnt from our Saudi experience.

If JOHESU wish to become consultants by all means they should give Nigerians a workable guideline that will enable them to have the same capacity as the Doctors in terms of patient's care, anything short of that is wasting tax payers money.

Tbamo: I am a doctor and I think you've gone below the belt!
Let's not descend to the level of johesu guys and insult people.
Her problem is she can't assimilate points at the level we are put through daily so come down to her level but Pls don't insult her it's not hee fault. And it would make us seem proud!

dakotchic: Ignorance exposed again! Who told you an ear swab is done for otitis media with effusion? Or that it is treated with antibiotics? I reiterate, if we all understood the meaning of these terms we are fighting for then there won't be any fight ab initio by either party

lexib: Doctors never use terms like, "always", "never", etc. U most put in a certain level of suspicion... "Most likely" implies it is it until proven otherwise.

Iwegbadu: Do doctors know its fake isnt it pharmacist job to make original yall busy embezzling money

phantom: .........lab scientist........ itching in a patient with jaundice is most likely post hepatic. I don't need your bilurubin levels to distinguish......its not magic.its just my training.
if I don't see the bilirubin levels expected in post hepatic jaundice, then I will query your result.
dont make comments when you shouldn't.

jpphilips: Aids the pharmacist pocket you mean?

sainty2k3: Well that depends on what u mean by 'what belong to Caesar' I term that better recognition and pay for this people who passed through residency training,not title.
But I know their very problem will start from their other pharmacist who didn't go through the training. #Well, just saying
And thanks for bringing up ur point so far without insult

phantom: please don't be funny.I used malaria as an example of a situation where the lab work SUGGESTS ANOTHER DIAGNOSIS.stop grasping at straws.
look you don't impress me with your little clinical knowledge. what is obstructive jaundice? pre or post hepatic?
my point is my clinical diagnosis is CONFIRMED by the labs.if the lab work suggests another diagnosis, I query it. simple!
but if you think I have no idea what is wrong with my patient until I do the labs,YOU ARE DEAD WRONG! that is the beauty of medical training. our greatest gift is our training and our brains.

sainty2k3: That shouldn't be, those are things that can be fought for, and its legitimate . its not all about title

jpphilips: NMA demand's



Concentrate on the bold part,

jpphilips: Mistake? kindly tell us his options in such a scenario

sainty2k3: Sorry bros , but pks stop confusing people, a postgraduate training, that's residency in pharmacy makes u a fellow of the highly esteemed college and not necessarily the title consultant ,if u have any link to prove that is what makes a consultant pharmacist pls lemme know.

Now, what makes a consultant pharmacist . check the link below pls
www.cpe.pharmacy.ufl.edu/courses/consultant/

U can check out the screen munch but , the summary is that the west Africa college of pharmacistn doesn't confer such title on her fellows, the curriculum for a consultant pharmacist is in the link above with is also in that screen munch below


And their role is not within the hospital settings as u can see in the link above and
And also that of America society of consultant pharmacists--

https://www.ascp.com/articles/what-consultant-pharmacist

'A simple answer is that a consultant pharmacist is a pharmacist who is paid to provide expert advice on the use of medications by individuals or within institutions, or on the provision of pharmacy services to institutions.'

'Consultant Pharmacists are now practicing in a wide variety of other settings, including subacute care and assisted living facilities, psychiatric hospitals, hospice programs, and in home and community-based care -- wherever seniors reside. Consultant Pharmacists are defined by their common commitment to enhance the quality of care for all older persons through the appropriate use of medication and promotion of healthy aging'

Prior to this a moment the fellows of west Africa college of pharmacist are not after adding that title consultant cos of obvious reason, they know what the term consultant in hospital settings mean.
Postgraduate training broaden ur knowledge and improve patient care even within hospital settings. Must u claim a title that doesn't belong to you to do ur work

jpphilips: I really didn't want to over flog this issue, let us be clear, the Doctors did not stop you from advancing your studies, I have read their press release over and over, they only asked you to drop the title "consultant" because you don't own the patient, it is clear!

Now, about my friend, neither the D.pharm nor the Patient was wrong, suppository for internal hemorrhoid is not a bad management but the doctor had the only cure!!

the D.pharm has tested the potency, professionalism and his understanding of drugs and landed on suppositories (ANUSOL) to be precise, but the surgeon's knife brought the desired result.

Unless you want to tell me that the advancement you desire will cover surgery and other courses, then you don't need consultancy to achieve that.

phantom: a fresh medical graduate can t and dare not give suppositories for 3rd degree hemorrhoids.

Iwegbadu: Sad truth. They should go back to baking fake plls called drugs and packing shit buahahahaha

jpphilips: Even as an Engineer, you cant tell me that crap you spewed up there, before a doctor specializes in Uriology, or gynecology like you alleged, kindly tell us the courses he has to pass to become a consultant at the same time, Juxtapose it with what a Pharmacist has to pass to become a consultant, the last time I checked, a Uniben trained D pharm. was giving a friend of mine with 3rd degree hemorrhoid suppository for 2.5yrs.

Thanks to the consultant who did the magic that relieved him.

If we allow the Pharmacists to rise to consultancy level, will they be able to own the patient? will their consultancy class include surgery? if the answer is "NO" then of what use are they to the patients and the Govt who is expected to pay them a huge amount of money?

How long will it take before a consultant Nurse (who cannot own a patient by the way) will start demanding for a harmonized salary with the consultant doctor?

It is unnecessary bureaucracy and I am with NMA on this one.

jpphilips: You want to be a consultant but you don't want to own the patient, bros I disagree completely with you, we don't need more bureaucracies in our health sector.

sakaguchi: The issue of a consultant has being overflogged isn't it? What will a consultant nurse do? What the hell is a consultant pharmacist? The doctors who are consultants specialise in a particular field of medicine and specialize holistically in it. Consultant urologist, consultant cardiologist, consultant nephrologist is more like it.
The difference between a consultant pharmacist and a pharmacist is clearly non-existent.

Please! I think government should call JOHESU, NMA to a round table. NMA need to shelf that ego that it can't sit together with JOHESU as it as become apparent that they are relevant stake holders.

Government should make that sit of CMD less attractive. For instance, let anybody who is a CMD will have no improve package whatsoever. If you are a doctor before being appointed CMD , your pay package will remain the same. Then anybody whatsoever can vie for CMD as I seriously think that post of CMD is not the sole right of doctors.

They should all strife for improve pay package and the doctors must earn higher than the nurses and pharmacists as this is how it is universally. Pharmacists earn lots of money outside the hospital. Inside the hospital, their remuneration must be lower than doctors own.

pestrolus2002: Some ppl never hv their facts. DRs is the head of health team. If any of these johesu is sick they chase drs around. THEY are all there but can't function. Who goes to hospital to see a nurse or a pharmacist? Most of these people call johesu failed to make it to medical school.. and decide d to go for paramedics. There s no age cut off in medical school, whosesoever wish to enjoy benifits drs enjoy s should go and apply for medicine. Stop beefing unnecessarily. Knw your boundry and job prescriptions. Say no to consultant matron ...pharmacist ..lab technologist and johesu in general. Up NMA/NANARD! !!! Akin binu ori ka fi fila de idi.

otokx: Anybody aspiring to Uniport in the 2014/2015 should have like 300k. The last guys paid 130k and most of them still rented accomodation outside of about 100k. You guys may pay nothing less than 150k if not up to 170k depending on your course. Professional courses attract more fees.

mcshol: it wud be uniquely increased

phantom: yes nothing to prescribe when the INDUSTRIAL pharmacists fail to produce NOT hospital based dispensing pharmacist. after seeing my patient and writing a prescription,she just crosses the road in front of the hospital to a pharmacy and gets her drugs.

sisinaijayeye0: This johesu thing is stupid mind you, it's not that doctors should be the head of the health team although it is glaring he should, but that everyone in totality is important and absence of one is as important as the head himself. The team should be united not sabotaging eachother. I am nt surprised. Nigeria is a cannibalistic country. With a lot of people with no self esteem and pride. Rubish pharmacist, nurses and cleaners. This are the people who should have gone to do education. Riffraff oshi

dumodust: Dora was a professor of pharmacy in UNN and head of NAFDAC, i'm not aware that she was a consultant pharmacist, it is supposed to be an appointment and not acquired. 'Medical' pharmacology is not pharmacy so no basis for comparison... pharmacy certainly has other courses that involve how to produce drugs, dispense etc etc that will certainly take longer than your time interval. And pharmacology in my med school was not done in six months, dont know were you get your info from because i didnt say so, can obviously see you are not in this country or familiar with programme here. The courses ran concurrently for 1-2yrs with your clinical posting etc... and any point in time, your are reading more than one or 2 courses and doing some postings... no high horse here, just relaying information.... the same way u talk about U.S, i dont have detailed info about there premed system anyway.
wonder why u think there's a high horse
wetin u read self?

Chykechin: Written by a Doctor(not me) and I quote:


All hospitals are empty all over the country.
Nurses couldn't do their nursing care because Doctors have not admitted, Pharmacists couldn't dispense drugs cos Doctors haven't prescribed,
Lab scientists could not process any sample cos Doctors haven't ordered, Account section couldn't function (No IGR) because Doctors are not working, Record dept are yawning of no work cos Doctors are on strike,
the periop nurses could not sterilize instruments cos no operation lists from Doctors,
Cleaners couldn't mop cos Doctors are not there to perform procedures, the securities have less work to do cos the hospitals are deserted and so on and on.............. This has glaringly shown how important a doctor is in a hospital setting.
Without these supporting staff a doctor can still function but without a doctor they are jobless and that was why when they are on strike they locked up the wards, hide equipments and connived with the securities to repel patients from the hospital entrance!!! *end quote*


I think this should clear our doubts on who should be the leader of the health team. Let they that have wisdom do the needful. I rest my case

simplynola: Pharmacy, nursing and other medical sciences are still branches in medicine and i think doctors study all these and can do the work of both pharmacist and nurses and even laboratory scientists but just that it will be too tedious for doctors combining all. The pharmacists never fought for their rights for a long period giving doctors more edge. They were laid back. 5 yrs in school just to be a dispenser or marketer or sales person. What the chemists can do. Only few are production pharmacists with drug composition experience. I think it was just once a pharmacist became the minister of health in Nigeria, it has been doctors all the way.. they never spoke out aggresively all the while, so why now. All these hatred and back stabbing in our medical line is not good for the nation. its taking our healthcare system backward. Anyways i see no reason why doctors shouldn't be the head. 7 years na wash? Oga na master!

Homguy: I really fought the temptation to call you a Slow Poke. I won't insult you.