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Idyllic: @MODs, move this thread to front page, it is very educative.

u mean deceptive?
Go through these links and then come back to tell me if he said the truth.
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http://www.potchefstroomherald.co.za/articles/articledetails.aspx?id=16783
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http://nashville.jobing.com/gonzales-healthcare-systems/ceo-penobscot-valley-hospital-in-lincoln-me
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https://www.floridahospital.com/wesley-chapel/news/new-ceo-named-florida-hospital-wesley-chapel
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Or are they nt in US?

Idyllic: Did you read what the OP wrote before you comment? I bet you didn't, you just posted a premeditated comment which you have decided will be your reply to any thread supporting the Doctors. The OP didn't say that there are no CEOs in NHS Hospital. He said after the CEO, the next in rank to him/her is a medical Doctor and not a pharmacist, nurse or lab technicians as you people want it to be in Nigeria. So, the NHS also recognize the headship of a Doctor over all other health workers, that is why they usually give the next position after the CEOs to medical Doctors. Read before commenting and labelling somebody else a liar. Peace.

who is lieing?
The CEO is not merged with the CMD in the US and he said they are, isn't dat lie?
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He said it usually a Physicians position, isn't dat lie?

The role of their CEOs is same as the role of our CMDs. . .So, dont dat tell u it jst a change of name?

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And not to forget, thankGod he stated clearly that the highest position is occupied by a neutral person. Can u pls tell me the highest position in the hospital?

5minsmadness: At least its only the bolded you disagreed with me on.

no, it nt jst dat.
Hw do u mean they are selfish.

These 'doctors' you mentioned are well known people and do not work in the health sector. Nobody is going to meet okonjo-iweala and ask her to treat them for malaria.

but, u said v.soon they will start asking for the title(Dr) be added to their name. Do u mean they shudn't have it even when they are qualified?

There is enough confusion in the health sector as it is with all of you wearing lab coats that we don't even know who the real doctors are anymore.

what do u want them to wear? Black? Mind u, the Physicians theatre dress is blue. Besides, u jst called it lab coat not Physician's coat, does that tell u anythg?

Be proud of your own profession or if you envy doctors so much and want to treat patients like them, go to medical school. Its open to everyone and am sure nobody will object.

I choosed Pharmacy myself because, I like that "complex mechanism."[/quote]

emedy: u dy come PANS Convention??

dnt tink so o.

Enugu Market Explosion. A one-year-old baby was feared dead and many others wounded following an explosion which occurred at Eke Ozi market in Igboeze North Local Government area of Enugu State, on Friday. The incident which occurred at about 2:00p.m few meters to the divisional police headquarters at Ogrute was suspected to be bomb blast making the market women and traders run for safety. Reports revealed that the baby was trampled upon, while
hoodlums had a field day looting shops, during the stampede, which lasted for some while. Although commercial activities had resumed in the market when our newsmen visited the scene, several traders were seen counting their losses.
It was gathered that the people of the area had been apprehensive, since the reports that some people suspected to belong to the Boko Hram sect were arrested at Obolo Afor community by the police last month. Both Enugu Ezike and Obolo Afor are border towns between Benue and Enugu states.
Attempts to reach the state Police Public Relations Officer, Ebere Amarizu for comment proved abortive.

Am I the only one that read the bolded?

It no BH bomb. Its hoodlums bomb.

Chartey: Ok, thank you. That babe own don tire me. If she wants to be in my life, she can just send me a pm, then we take it from there.

hmm! In Pharmacy this' called Pharmacotoasting.

5minsmadness: This your post smacks of ignorance and naivety. Read between the lines. Its obvious the other folks ganging against the doctors are doing it for political and selfish reasons.

All these years are you saying doctors have been preventing them from furthering their education? I think the main issue here is that they want to answer the post of 'consultant' , a position strictly reserved for the medical doctor and which position reflects an authority in charge of the patient
These consultants are the ones in whom the blame stops when it comes to life and death. I heard a young doctor say that a certain consultant owned a patient and if the patient dies he is the one that will be blamed; not the nurse, not the lab scientist, not the pharmacist, not even the house officer(the young doctor). And that'swhy they are paid the bIG money.

If the other health care professionals want to further their own field to the betterment of the patient I see nothing wrong in it. However I'm sure they have their own titles. They should be proud of their field and not try to encroach on or steal another specialties title in the name of 'helping the patient'. And I can assure you, knowing how Nigeria is, that no sooner they answer consultant that they'll start demanding for similar pay and wanting to have Dr attached to their names. Some are already doing it sef.

I just see selfishness and greed in this. haba. Let's tell the truth abeg.

like Dr. Ngozi Iweala and Dr. Goodluck Jonathan(GCFR) did sheay?
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Pls, take it easy eh, the title Dr is not only for Physicians. A Pharm. graduate of UNIBEN is a Pharm. Doctor just like a Med graduate is a Med. Doctor.

And this OP can lie
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http://www.ncuh.nhs.uk/about-us/key-people/directors-profiles/ann-farrar.aspx

she is a CEO with MBA.

Ok.

elobyobi: N0 lie, management is an integral part of Community Medicine/ Public Health. MOney, Manpower, Material, ring any bells?

really?
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Pls, tell me more abt it.

Chartey: Please let me warn you. The other day I didn't want to say much. Stop acting like you know me because you don't. If you've spent so much time on threads about Medicine since 2010, and you're a Pharmacy student, then I can guess the sort of regret and sense of 'what could have been' you have. It's not too late to drop out of your program and get into medical school. If you know so much about me, you'll at least know that's what I did.

as at 2010, all( Anatomy, Medical Lab Sci, Medicine, Nursing Science, Pharmaceutical Science, Physiology, Radiology e.t.c ) were using one thread.

ephemm: NONSENSE!!!
All these "educated" illiterate trading accusations becos one professional heads another institution, why don't U go on strike becos a "shoeless" school teacher head Ur country, when the country filled with mad men & women like U should be headed by a psychiatrist?
Mtcheeww

bro, I never said PSN should go on strike.

ziga: Link is not working.

I'm really interested in what the constitution says.

the link is working bt if u like goole it

elobyobi: And doctors take management courses. And enterpreneurship lectures. Say something else.

everyone does entrepren.. . . . . .
They take management courses? Pls lie wit caution.

Cmanforall: This is still the problem with JOHESU.... They still have internal beefs among them... Pharmacists HATRED for Pharmacologists/Pharm technicians; Lab. Scientists beef for Lab. Technicians/Biochemists/microbiologist; Diploma nurses beefing Bsc nurses... Etc etc... They should remove the log in their eyes 1st of all.....

where is the beef in his post.

matify: Really?

Then let the patients start seeing them instead of chasing the doctors to their homes and private clinics for consultations.

Why display ignorance with impunity?

are u this timid?
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Who says Clinical Pharmacy is Medicine?

Please the masses need to read this. . It will help them to know watsup abt the ongoing crisis in the health sector https://www.nairaland.com/1818712/nigerian-health-sector-face-janus

elobyobi: Ur p0!nt be!ng...?

am saying d truth.

sisinaijayeye0: Our diagnosis are always spot on we are thought from school how signs and symptoms lead to our diagnosis from taking history we already have an idea of what's wrong, what we then get is differentials. We then confirm the most likely diagnosis with tests by sending to the lab (where people should know their jobs) they send the results back and from that we interpret the results, if you focused on what they taught you in school and stop hating other people's profession you won't sound like a miserable old hag as you are making yourself out to be. Don't quote me again enough of this incessant rubbish you really haven't given me a valid point all day so kindly F. The F off! We can't all be the same. We can't all do the same job everybody is different that's what makes us unique. If everybody did the same job the world would be a sad place. I place importance in people from carpenters to plumbers to cleaners to electricians people frown on them because their job aren't important but without this people you will be surprised at how stuck you will be. Who will fix your fan? Who will clear your poop? My point grow a little self esteem. Pharmacist are as important as doctors, cleaners are important. Nurses are the most vital people in the hospital, and lab attendants? Are next to the most needed people it is their results that diagnoses for the whole health team. Quit! Hating!!!!!!! Focus on the job God gave u.

am nt hating.
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Bt, after all diagnoses what is given to 80 to 90 percent of ur patient?

elobyobi: S0 una get super!0r!ty c0mplex t00, and cla!m d0ct0rs r the 0ny arr0gant 0nes....

Humans and the!r self r!ghte0usness sef

bro, Pharmacology is one of the 5 to 6 departments in Pharmacy.

YoungDaNaval: ARE YOU ASKING ME TO DEBATE OR SUGGEST?? I STILL DON'T GET YA POINT MR OP!!

any1

Victomolola: But, in oau that you used as an example; can you please list the cut-off mark of pharmacy and mbbs from 2009/2010 to 2013/2014 both pre degree and jamb so that we will know who is more brilliant.

after all the jamb and post utme expo?
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Hope u knw not all that entered with high scores graduates.

DollyParton1: I thought they know and learnt same things that doctors did in school.
Why couldn't she treat her brother.

she isn't given same training like the Physician as regards to that.

nobilis: Good. Pharmacy is different than pharmacology. We all agree.

But I now wonder what makes u feel that clinical pharmacy will make u better equipped to take better care of d patient than the doctor can.
Is clinical pharmacy the same thing as Medicine and Surgery?

Clinical Pharmacy is neveq same thing as Med Surg. Clinical Pharmacy is a department in Pharmacy school.
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When it comes to drugs the Pharmacist can do better in terms of Patient care.

kenonze: its a pity, may his soul RIP.
am pretty worried abt this JOHESU.
They should rethink and do the needful.
A nurse (strong supporter of JOHESU) came to my clinic 2nights ago shouting help help help ....doctor doctor ...my brother is dying, help help... I looked at time, it was 2am, I did the needful and the brother got healed .
earlier before now,
this same nurse said she will not work for any private hospital because we cannot pay what govt pays. she so much detest Doctors to the extent that all my colleagues avoids her.
but when the appointed time came she trace my clinic with her "k-leg ".

thats ur job u just did u knw.

docadams: Some nurses can perform surgeries? Do you know what you are saying at all?

Nurse Practitioners perform surgeries(though, myt b limited)

OkikiOluwa1: Its all political stuff...
The life of their patients are at stake now!

yea. . . I feel u.

retepmurt: Nothing,i mean absolutely nothing wil happen.As a matter of fact,pharmacists only dispense in our govt hospitals in Nigeria. Drugs are being manufactured by the private pharmaceutical companies.

and who controls their products?

Now that the Hon. Min. of Health has
started seeing that NMA/MDCANS’ actions, are in
bad faith, he must be firm to right the structural
injustices in the Health Sector. So that he would
have lived up to his words, “that he would do
everything in his power to bring harmony in the
health sector.” The crisis in the health sector has
gotten to where it is today, because of the over
bearing attitude of some allopathic physicians, who
have forgotten that medicine is the art, act and
science of healing, whose scope is beyond
allopathic medicine. It is highly unfortunate that
NMA/MDCAN leadership personified in the person of
Dr Obembe has suddenly forgotten that the word
medical is an adjective which means related to the
art, act and science of healing. A situation, where
allopathic physicians in a false mindset sees only
themselves as being medical and other healthcare
experts as non medical breeds/creates a wrong
image. The future allopathic physicians must be
nursed and nurtured to have a mind set of medical
humanism to give a good medical image that does
not thrive on rancor, falsehood and a doctored
ideology. The word medical is not a synonym for a
doctor, for if it were, it would not be seen placed in
front of the word doctor as in the term “medical
doctor” for that will be tautology. Every healthcare
professional involved with the act, art and science
related to healing are all medical personnel. So the
word medical is not an exclusive term to designate
allopathic physicians but all that is involved with
healing and healthcare services.
Conclusion
Now that it is so glaring that NMA/MDCAN strike is
sabotage against the state, because they are
causing untold hardship to the citizens of Nigeria.
This as a result of their ego driven demands. And
have failed to obey Government orders, because
most hospital Chief Executives being members of
MDCAN are in sympathy with them. They have
failed to call NMA/MDCAN to order to suspend the
strike, even when there is a court order. As a result
of the death of Nigerians, based on this sabotage,
the Federal Government should invoke the powers
conferred on her in section 18(1) and 18(2) of
University Teaching Hospitals (Reconstruction of
Boards, etc) Act CAP 463 LFN which states 18(1)
“The President may, notwithstanding any provision
of this Act, take such measures as occasion may
warrant in order to improve the efficiency or due
administration of the teaching hospitals specified in
the Schedule to this Act.”
18(2) “ For the purpose of section (1 )of this
section, the President may appoint or give such
authority for the appointment of Military
Commandments to take charge of administration of
any of the teaching hospitals specified in this Act
for such period as may be stipulated in the
authority.
Again, section 19 of the act, on the definition of
hospital states “Hospital includes all institutions
(however called) controlled by the board.”
Government should as a matter of urgency bring
sanity into the system by making sure; that this
sabotage by allopathic doctors is stopped. The
Government should declare their actions illegal. As
the Health Sector moves towards TOPHET a symbol
of collapse, we must do all it takes to salvage her,
by doing what is right!
AJUFO,BENJAMIN CHUKWUNONSO. WRITES FROM
ASABA IS the Secretary Association of Medical
laboratory Scientists Delta State Branch.
16/7/14

She supported the
recommendation subscribed by NMA that all
JOHESU members who have moved from Grade
Level 10 to Grade level 12 should be brought down
by one Grade level. In a circular dated 11th of
January 2010 , with reference number HCSF /EPO/
EIR/RR/B.63755/T1/77 ,the office of the Head of
Service of the Federation stopped the movement of
JOHESU members from Grade 10 to Grade level 12.
About a year later, the Head of Service in a similar
circular dated 10th of February, 2011 with reference
number HCSF/EPO/EIR/63755/T1/149 called the
movement of Workers from Grade 10 to Grade Level
12 an unauthorized Skipping. By June 2011, the
Health Sector was already heated up with drum
beats of war between the Workers under the aegis
of JOHESU and the Nigerian Government
represented by the Ministry of Health. It should be
recalled, that as at June 28th 2010, in a meeting
held at JUTH GUEST HOUSE in Abuja all Chief
Medical Directors and Medical Directors under the
auspices of Committee of Chief Executives, Federal
Tertiary Aspect in Nigeria, unanimously agreed and
released a memo with the reference number
CCEHTH/SEC/V.1/86 on the 29th of June 2010
addressed to all Chief Executives of Federal Health
Institutions. Article 3 on the topic was-
implementation of circular on CONTISS forbidding
skipping of Grade Level 10 or any Grade level. The
decision taken was;-(1) Members decided that by
July this year (2010) all Federal Tertiary Hospital
should have fully implemented the circular with
effect from 1st April 2010.All officers who had
skipped Grade level 10 should be brought down by
one grade level except those occupying the
appointive posts of Director of Administration.(2)To
effect this all CF.Os should simultaneously issue a
circular to all affected staff on the 12th July,2010
informing them of the plan to implement the
circular in July. This memo was signed by M O.
Adeoba for: Chairman CCEFTH. Immediately this
directive was later implemented, the Health Sector
was thrown into chaos, JOHESU gave the
Government ultimatum to change her decisions
which was not workers friendly, but the Government
refused. Moreover the Government failed to
implement agreements signed with JOHESU since
2009. This was now followed with a Strike action by
JOHESU who accused, the Government of not
keeping with the principle of Collective Bargaining.
As a result of the crisis in the health Sector on the
9th of August 2011, The Minister of Labour waded
into the matter, but the Ministry of Health was not
satistisfied by the resolution, and the matter was
later taken to the National Industrial Court for
adjudication. After a legal battle between the
Ministry of Health and JOHESU, the Court ruled in
favour of JOHESU in 2013, that Government was
wrong to have denied JOHESU members her right.
And that JOHESU members appointed Consultants
were wrongfully stopped as consultants. After the
judgment, from nowhere, NMA/MDCAN who were
not a party to the suit, cried foul that the Court
Judgment should not be implemented. They as
usual were the one that hoodwinked the
Government, to have taken the wrong decision that
was upturned by the Court. Suddenly they started
accusing government of favouring JOHESU
members, and that they must skip, even though that
no JOHESU member was skipping. Now that the
Government is trying to muster the courage to do
what is right, NMA/MDCAN has chosen to fight the
Nigerian patients, by denying them services and
declaring a strike action. Note that it is the same
patient they have told the world that they own and
that all their actions is for the best interest of the
patient. Today NMA/MDCAN who insisted that they
must have a different salary structure are the ones
imposing on the Government what other employees
should earn .The same NMA/MDCAN that
wrongfully accused JOHESU members of skipping
and even lost this matter in court is the one, now
championing skipping for her members, even when
doctors scheme of service does not grant such.
What a double standard!
NMA/MDCAN AND CALCULATED SABOTAGE.
Since July 1st 2014,NMA AND MDCAN have denied
patients the right to treatment even when the
National Industrial Court had ruled that all parties
involved should maintain status quo ante. Dr
Obembe the leader of NMA, who also happens to be
a member of MDCAN has continued to defy Court
orders under the guise that it is MDCAN that went
to Court. One is forced to ask, “Is Dr Obembe not a
member of MDCAN”? Again, does NMA have the
moral justification to call for strike when she is not
a Trade Union? Can NMA go on strike on an issue
that is already before a Court of competent
jurisdiction? How does NMA think that the
Government will be negotiating with her on an issue
before the Court?

The Nigerian Health Sector has been in the news for
some time now, as a result of the lingering crisis
that has bedeviled the Sector. The HEALTH sector is
expected to be a place of total wellbeing but why is
there so much hostility in the Sector which has
taken a hydra-headed form? Why is the Sector
matching towards Tophet; the Valley of Destructio
n?
There is so much misinformation, impunity,
violation of Established Rules and Codes of
Conduct. Why is the Place polarized with mistrust,
and disharmony? Why has the Government allowed
herself to become a pawn in the hands of Nigerian
Medical Association (NMA) and Medical and Dental
Consultants Association(MDCAN) which are not
legally recognized Trade Unions ? Why does the
Government allow double Standards within the same
Sector? The government that was able to restrain a
registered Trade Union from going on strike has not
stopped an unregistered body posturing as a Trade
Union. Why has the Government allowed the
Constitution of the Federal Republic, to be violated
by NMA who sees herself as the Imperial Majesty,
who must continue to subjugate other workers in
the Health Sector? Before we bring answers to
these numerous WHYS, let us x-ray the
pathogenesis of the crisis in the Health Sector.
SALARY STRUCTURES IN THE HEALTH SECTOR
Under the then President, His Excellency Alhaji
Umaru Musa Yar’Adua, the Nigerian Government in
2009 had approved two different Salary Structures
in the Health Sector. These two Salary Scales were
known as Consolidated Medical Salary Scale
(CONMESS) and Consolidated Health Salary Scale
(CONHESS).Medical Doctors in the Service of the
Nigerian Civil Service are on CONMESS, while every
other person working in the Health Sector was
placed under the CONHESS structure. Before the
emergence of the late President UMARU MUSA YAR’
ADUA, President Olusegun Obasanjo, had placed all
Nigerian Health Workers under a unified Salary
Scale.NMA had seriously kicked against this unified
Salary Scale. It was NMA that negotiated CONMESS
for her members while the Joint Health Sector
Union (JOHESU), a recognized Trade Union made up
of all Unions in the Health Sector outside Medical
Doctors, negotiated CONHESS for her members.
Below is the two Salary Scales.
CONMESS SALARY SCALE
CONMESS 01----- HOUSE OFFICER/YOUTH CORPS
DOCTOR – Grade Level 10
CONMESS 02----- Registrar/Medical Officer - Grade
Level 12
CONMESS 03----- Senior Registrar Grade 11/Senior
Medical Officer Grade 2 Grade Level 13
CONMESS 04---- - Senior Registrar Grade 1/Senior
Medical Officer Grade 1 Grade level 14
CONMESS 05------ Consultant/Principal Medical
officer Grade 2 Grade Level 15
CONMESS 06------ Consultant Special Grade 2/
Principal Medical Officer Grade 1 Grade Level 16
CONMESS 07-------Consultant Special Grade 1/Chief
Medical Officer Grade Level 17
CONHESS SALARY SCALE
CONHESS 7 INTERNS/NYSC ----------- Grade Level 8
CONHESS 8 X -Officer 1 ----------- Grade Level 9
CONHESS 9 Senior X-Officer ----------- Grade Level 10
CONHESS 11 Principal X- Officer ----------- Grade
Level 12
CONHESS 12 Assistant Chief X-Officer ------------
Grade Level 13
CONHESS 13 Chief X-Officer ------------- Grade Level
14
CONHESS 14 Assistant Director X-Officer ----------
Grade Level 15
CONHESS 15 Deputy Director X-Officer -------------
Grade Level 16
CONHESS 16 Director X-Officer ---------------------Grade
Level 17
THE FACE OF JANUS AND THE MATCH TOWARDS
TOPHET!
In the late 2009, NMA, started a campaign of
calumny, against members of JOHESU , that they
were Skipping, which she alleged as a violation of
Government policy. And they as Medical Doctors are
treated unjustly in the health sector .As shown
above, we have seen that NMA members were the
greatest beneficiary of the Government approved
Salary Scale, with higher entry point and jumbo
pay.NMA was of the opinion that any member of
JOHESU, who had moved from CONHESS 9 -to
CONHESS 11, should be brought down by one grade
level. JOHESU members were unjustly accused of
skipping and the polity was heated up. The Public
Service Rule provides in 020205 and 020205 (e)- To
be eligible for appointment into the Federal Public
Service (e) possess requisite qualifications as
provided for in the scheme of service. The
accusation was faulty because in the Scheme of
Service for JOHESU members, there was nothing
like Grade level 11.In fact it is a misnomer to term
the movement from Grade Level 10 to Grade Level
12 skipping. This is not skipping, because there is
no level 11 and what you have in the Scheme of
Service is movement from Grade level 10 to 12.The
Ministry of Health was seeing through the prism
and binoculars of NMA.

nobilis: You also forgot to add that Dr Paul Orhii is also a consultant pharmacologist.

the ACT stipulates that the DG shud have a good knowledge of PHARMACY not PHARMACOLOGY.