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johnw74:
You are blind, even from a few posts ago, you said "I am Alpha and Omega" in rev 1:8 was the Father when it was Jesus.
phony jw lie constantly.

johnw74:
evil jw compares Jesus to satan.

johnw74:
Waiting for me to be respectful to satans disciples,
will be waiting til you die.

Mrpoker:
So how do I go about solving that?

brocab:
Your Quote> I was asking you, who told you that Jehovah Witnesses believes that Jesus is God?
Well no-one told me in person-but It is written in your New World Translation bible. You have describe Jehovah God as Jesus Himself, every eye will see Jehovah God coming in the clouds, Not Jesus. {Unless the writer believes Jehovah is Jesus Himself}
It is Jesus who was, who is, and who is coming, it is Jesus who has the name the Alpha and the Omega. But it shows the scholars had taken Jesus's name out of text and replaced it with Jehovah God. Meaning those scholars who wrote your bible had all agreed that Jehovah God is Jesus or He has the same qualifications as Jesus, or maybe the scholars strongly believe Jehovah God and Jesus are coming down to earth at the same time, Both carrying that same name the Almighty with all their rightful authority.
Your scholars who had written the New World Translation bible, must believe Jesus and Jehovah are one the same.
And yet when I have asked you JW's none of you seem to believe they are one the same. So my question was why is it written in your bible if you don't believe?
This shows me clearly none of you JW's really believe in your bible? And yet you all confess you stand by it. Which contradicts yourselves when this question is asked, firstly you all seem to jump from one verse to another, trying to confuse the Idea. Only because the New World Translation does not line up with the watchtower magazines, they both teach two different doctrines.
And this is how it is written in the New World Translation Jehovah witnesses bible>{Revelation 1:7-8} Which say's look He is coming in the clouds, and every eye will see Him, and those who pierce Him. {Verse 8} I am the Alpha and the Omega say's Jehovah God. the one who is, and who was, and who is coming the Almighty.
What's confusing about you JW's is none of you really understand your own bible. Nor do you understand who translated it, I believe it confuses you that much, that you are well trained you have to find ways to avoid these scriptures. Only because it doesn't line up with your watchtower magazines. And you all refuse to believe what your bibles had said? No-wonder you jump from one verse into another, you don't really believe your bibles scholars had even listened to God while rewriting the NWT bibles..

johnw74:
phony jw again and again change the Bible

The Father gave Revelation to Jesus
this was not John acknowledging the Father
in red is Jesus Speaking.





Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

johnw74:
evil jw compares Jesus with satan


more Bible verses corrupt jw don't believe:




Mat_7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Ken4Christ:
I know the Jehovah witness cannot answer my questions about the body of Jesus. Rather, they are asking baseless questions. There are infallible proofs that Jesus resurrected bodily. Refute those proofs.

The Bible says one thing, the Jehovah witness will says another.

Tell Nairalanders what happened to the body of Jesus since you said he left his body behind. Only fools will believe your wicked lies. You can't even do that to your sons. You claim Jehovah must have dissolved the body of Jesus. Your punishment will be worse in the very hell you don't believe where your founders are already suffering torment. The demons there are waiting for you all unless you repent.

You cannot use the fact that Angels manifestation with bodies and even ate to prove your point that Jesus did not rise with his body. I don't claim to know everything but that which I know and stated very clearly in the Bible, I will say. Even the great Apostle Paul said, we know in part. I do believe Angels have bodies but they are spiritual bodies. If they don't have bodies, they cannot be seen. Only demons spirit don't have bodies. That is why they seek to posses people. The Holy Spirit also and even God himself don't have bodies. Let us not derail the issue on ground.

Jesus himself said, he is not a spirit. Are you saying Jesus doesn't know who he is. You know Jesus better than he knows himself. 'behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Handle me and see, FOR A SPIRIT HATH NOT FLESH AND BONES as you have seen me.' Luke 24:39.

Jesus also said, 'Destroy this temple and in 3 days I will raise it.' John 2:19. The Jews responded, 'Fourth and six years was this temple in building and will thou rear it up in 3 days? The writer John remarked, ' But he spake of the temple of his body ' John 2:21. This verse clearly reveals that Jesus predicted his death and bodily resurrection. And you Jehovah wickedness are telling the world Jesus did not rise bodily.

You know within your conscience that you are lying but pride will not let you change position.

Your governing body claims that they are the only true Prophets of God on earth. So, please interpret Luke 24:39 & John 2:19-21 to us. If you can't, hide yourself in shame or admit you are wrong.

johnw74:
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

More showing that the Word is God and not "a god"

johnw74:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

It is Jesus Christ that is coming with clouds, and John also shows that in saying "and they also which pierced him"

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

It is Jesus Christ giving revelation to John saying "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending",
phony jw does call Jesus "Jehovah"
they translate Lord (kurios) as "Jehovah"

Ken4Christ:
I would love any JW to answer this question. If you can't give a convincing Biblical answer with proofs, please repent fast and stop deceiving gullible souls.

This is my question. Please what happened to the body of Jesus after resurrection? I am asking this question because the JW says that Jesus did not rise bodily from the dead. I am not aware of any part of the Bible where this is implied. Rather, the contrary is through. I will give my evidence of scriptures that Jesus resurrected bodily and I would love the JW to give their evidence that Jesus did not rise in his body and tell us what happened to his body with scriptural or archeological proofs.

1. The Bible prophesied that the body of Jesus will not be allowed to decay and this prophecy was confirmed by Apostle Peter. Acts 2:27-31. The Bible says his body or flesh did not see corruption (decay). The JW guessed God could have dissolved his body with chemicals. This indirectly tags God (Jehovah) as a 419. He makes people to believe he raised Jesus from the dead when actually he did not. So, to cover up the shame, he had to quickly dissolve his body. How does this sound to everyone. Even when people bury their loved ones, they treat their bodies with respect. Then, our God will treat the body of his own Son even worse than that of an animal. It also means that is how we all will be treated. He certainly won't treat you and me better than he treated Jesus.

2. The testimony of Mary Magdalene, Mary, the mother of James and Peter on the resurrection morning proved that the grave was empty. Luke 24:1-12. God must have been very fast in dissolving the body such that no trace of it was left behind. And the linel cloth he was wrapped with survived the chemicals. Why would God want to do a thing like that and hide it from the world. He must be the biggest fraudster in the universe. Is it difficult for him to raise Jesus from the dead bodily. If it is, then he is no longer omnipotent. I find it strange to believe that with all the lies the JW fabricate, they command large followership. This just means that a lot of people don't sit down and examine doctrines before they believe.

3. Jesus himself testified that he is not just a spirit. He said he has flesh and bones. In addition, he asked doubting Thomas to touch him and put his fingers into the holes left by the nails. This he did and confirmed that Jesus is indeed risen with his body. Luke 24:39-40. When you asked the Jehovah witness to explain this, they say Jesus just materialized for that purpose. That means Jesus is also a 419. He claims he has a body when actually he is only a spirit being.

4. Jesus also ate in their presence confirming he is not just a spirit. Luke 24:41-43.

5. Apostle Paul confirmed that when the dead is raised, it is raised with a glorified or spiritual body. 1 Corinthians 15:44. It is sown a mortal body. It is raised an immortal body.

The argument the JW put forth that Jesus did not rise from the dead is statement credited to Apostle Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:45 which reads, 'And so it is written., the first Adam was made a living soul, the last Adam was made a quickening spirit'. With this verse, they conclude that Jesus was raised up spiritually. How could Paul infer that when the previous verse just revealed that the body is raised a spiritual body.

Jesus is a life giving spirit because he is changing lives. He is still healing the sick and raising the dead. He is giving hope to the hopeless. Even man also is a spirit being living in a body.

Besides, Jesus said, destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it. He was referring to his body. John 2:21. So, if Jesus did not rise in his body, then he failed to actualize what he said he would do. But thank God, he rose from the dead with his body.

Another argument the Jehovah witness put forward is that if he rose with his body, how come he entered into a room without opening the door. This is the mystery. A glorified body is tangible and yet can pass through walls. It sure doesn't make sense. Most spiritual truth don't make sense. Does Jesus walking on water make sense? But it is truth he walked on water.

Again they argue further if he rose from the dead, how come the two disciples he walked with didn't realize it was Jesus for a while. Let me explain why this is possible with an experience I had myself. I traveled home during holiday many years ago and someone stopped me to greet me. I responded casually and was about to walk pass him when I suddenly realize it was my twin brother. Sounds funny. Sometimes, you can be so engrossed in thought to you can't even take note of who is standing by you. I am so sure, they were overwhelmed with the news of his resurrection and they were trying to figure out the whole thing and didn't know that it was Jesus walking and talking with them.

If you insist that Jesus did not rise from the dead bodily, please tell us what happened to his body with proofs and not guess work. Also tell us why your Jehovah is unable to raise Jesus from the dead bodily.
It also means, you will not also be raised bodily and God should prepare larger quantity of chemicals to dissolve countless billions of bodies.

That also means that everyone that is in heaven don't have a body. Please all Jehovah witnesses should answer these questions convincingly or remain silent forever.

To all reading this article, please give your life to Jesus. Jesus is the only way to God. He is coming back to take his people home after which he will come back to destroy all who reject the gospel and establish reign on earth for 1,000 years before the final judgment. Anyone not found written in the book of life will be cast into the Lake of fire. Revelation 20:10-15.

brocab:
It is good you had finely realised Jesus is Jehovah God Written by Jw's. Does this mean you had actually read your bible?
Sarang has given all you non readers a good example, Sarang now believes Jesus is Jehovah God by JW. As written.
But for the rest of you' you really need to listen to your own wonders like Sarang, one who has stepped out of he/she's comfort zone-this evidence will rock the boat a little, which one of you will report Sarang to your authorities?
Finely" we have a break through?
If You would just sit down and study your own bibles, instead of talking rubbish with each other maybe you too could learn a little truth in this matter.
Forget about the watchtower magazines they are child's play, read your New Would Translation bible that was written by your so called elders, a book they all swear by, that none of you seem to recognize..

brocab:
I have been inside a few of the JW churches in the past, bringing with me my King James bible, and every time I had entered the church, I found my King James bible was pushed aside, only because the JW's prefer to teach another doctrine, and that doctrine came directly from the watchtower magazines. A book that doesn't line up with the word of God.
The JW's would hand me a magazine so I too could be taught about the watchtower's teachings.
The JW's may not care if you bring your own bible along, but they do care, what doctrine they teach. And it isn't the word of God.

brocab:
No one is denying the Father nor the Son, The argument was' the New World Translation bible admits Jesus is Jehovah God. {Revelation 1:7-8} No-one is denying that, not even the JW's who had written your bible.
So I don't really care if you believe either way, your own bible tells us Jehovah God is Jesus.

brocab:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikUzTKBPYx4

brocab:
Is this the only way you would describe who Jesus is? Not even in your own words you couldn't tell me how much Jesus means to you?
Are you sure this is your only way you can describe someone you love so dearly?
Did I ask you not to pass on any scriptures, describe Jesus from your heart, not the heart of someone else. Passing Peters description did not come from Peter.
So your description is not your own-and because I am expecting you to give something different from that of Peter or the scriptures is not possible. Nothing is impossible to God.
1 Corinthians 3:16 "Don't you know, that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Then this proves the Spirit of God does not live inside you.

brocab:
You say our churches are deserting our members, didn't you read all that page I wrote about the two X JW's, now belong to the true faith of Jesus Christ, had joined with us, as born again Christians.

There are thousand of X JW's who have either lost their loves ones, through marriage, because the JW's had separated them both, {Only because one is not a follower of the JW's} and its not lawful for two to stand together in the eye's of your organization Jehovah.
Which of the Jehovah, do you follow?

Our God said: {Mark 10:8-9} "And the two shall become one flesh, that they are no longer two but one flesh, therefore what God has joined together let no man separate. Till death do we part is written on every marriage contract.

Lets look at your final decision you make when your only child dies because you won't save her life' given her the blood she needs to live.
JW's Jehovah believe humans and animals blood are the same, and is all contaminated.

Our God said: {1 John 1:6-7} "If we say we have fellowship with Him and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practise the truth. But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the Blood of Jesus purifies us from all sin.
JW's can't accept the fact that God made us in His own image, which means its the blood of Christ that saves lives, God's blood isn't contaminated.

Do you honestly believe your Church will keep growing, and I bet you believe your Church will be last one standing on this earth in the last day's, "I believe you"

Because Christ will have already called his Church to be with Him in the air, As He Promised. {1Thessalonians 4:7}

xerxesII:
Y'all JW never cease to amaze me

Imagine, some set of caucasians(governing body) instruct y'all not to allow your kids go to the university but their own kids have several academic degrees. . .

I know of an elder that had to pull his daughter from school coz he doesn't wanna lose the 'privilege' as an elder

who does that?

brocab:
Listen there is no truth in you, I was there, and I witnessed what I had seen. You JW's are all the same, you will lie because you are trained to lie.
And God was with us that evening, Haven't you heard God is a jealous God, and He will do anything to protect His own.

brocab:
Hmmm" let me see, "Pentecostal" Pentecostal Churches have many names written above their Churches, like the Baptise, or lets say AOG, or COC, some Churches use names such as Hill songs, so they could be recolonized by the public, and they are easy to find in the directory.
But the main thing is they are pentecostal Christians.
Like the JW's they also have different names to their many Churches spread across the nations, like the Watchtower, the universal life Church, and still people are confused about their teachings. And you are right God don't enter into a false Church, this is why you haven't found God in yours.
But then we have men and women come in wearing sheep clothing, who claim they are Christians on the outside, but inside they are ravening wolves. We call them Prosperity Preachers, who believe that godliness is away of making money, twisting the word of God around for financial gain, but the Lord says it clearly in word, from such withdraw yourselves.
Same with the JW's many believe in the false God, believing in a God they don't even know.
So you see I am a pentecostal Christian, and I believe in the only true God Jesus Christ.
I am a born again Christian and my goals in life is to write down the truth, what is truth? The truth is Jesus Christ.
His Spirit roams around at home, in the streets, at the office, in my heart, in my thoughts, in my Spirit, Christ is everywhere. Christ don't live in Churches made from brick and mortar, Christ' Spirit lives in all those who have chosen to believe, and had made that first step in becoming a born again Christian, same like the disciples, they too were pentecostal's after Jesus had sent them His Helper to teach them all things.
Would you like the address?
Revelation 1:1-6 well I have already written down verse 4" and "1-2-3-5-6" says the Father, and who is to come the almighty {Omnipotent the ruler of all} verse 7-8 with what description had the JW's given God, "the almighty God" and what description had the JW's given Jesus "the mighty" and who's coming back the almighty. Even the New World Translation had written it Almighty Jehovah God is coming back, and who's coming back? Jesus is coming back, the true and only' faithful Jehovah God.

brocab:
Satan had also used Judus, like he did with Peter, and Jesus rebuked both of them.
Only because Peter and Judus did not understand the fruit of the spirit Jesus was teaching His disciples. Both allowed the flesh to ruin their lives.
Judus was found dead of suicidal' in the flesh that's a difficult decision to make. Don't forget Judus understood his flesh-more then he understood the spirit, So who was Judus listening too, to make his final leap.
Peter was their while Jesus was captured, denying Him 3 times as Jesus had predicted it..
But it was John who stood at the foot of the cross. Not Peter.
Your not understanding its the flesh we war against everyday the principalities and the darkness in this world, the demons of this world can course our flesh to stumble, if we are not tuning into the word of God to build up our spiritual armour, then we are weak-and our weakness will always course us to fall.
So the words Jesus had spoken to Him, were spoken to Peter's weaknesses he had in the flesh..
Peter wanted to prove his point to Jesus at all times, in the flesh Peter cut of the guards ear, and it was Jesus who laid his hand healing that same guard, Peter wanted to destroy.
So you see the flesh and the spirit can't work together-matter of fact they work against each other. Our flesh will always turn away from the word of God, flesh is blind, it can only see fleshly worldly things. Spiritual knowledge will always lead us to the love of Christ.
Jesus said to Peter get behind Me Satan.

brocab:
Its the words Peter had spoken, Jesus had rebuked-Why because Jesus knew Peter would deny Jesus 3 times in his own flesh.
Would he deny Jesus in the Spirit "NO"
So the words Peter spoke were words spoken in his own flesh, not in the Spirit, so Jesus said get behind Me Satan.
Peter trying to protect his friend, wasn't done in the Spirit. but in Peter's flesh he had spoken.
So yes Jesus was directly speaking to Peter. Don't forget we war against our flesh everyday, against the principalities and the darkness of this world.
So do you use violence against another, all would you prefer to pray for another?

brocab:
Peter tried to prove himself to Jesus, get behind Me Satan, for you do not know what you are saying.

agarawu23:
Why are u repeating "barber" abi they aren't human

Oya go marry banker then
Na so na go dey select until una old for house

Dojupyo:
Why do guys think they can't be monogamous in nature?
What most of you guys do, is to support the reasons why they are cheats, why they can't be with a woman...

If you're a Christian, emulate Christ cos He teaches us to be Faithful to our spouses.. Its not difficult at all.. Cos if most ladies could stay with a man all their life time, why can't guys stay?
You guys ain't the only ones that feel the urge to strafe, its Self Control that matters..

RadicallyBlunt:
Both are polygamous in nature. Its just for different reasons. One is sex, the other is money