brocab: PLUS YOU BETTER INFORM DOLPHINHEART HE SAID EVERYONE'S LYING, AND THE JW'S DON'T USE YOU TUBE FOR ANY REASONS. ISN'T THIS STRANGE ONE JW DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER JW IS DOING.
We use youtube INDIVIDUALLY, Personally I use it to watch movies,I have a youtube account myself. But Ass a GROUP Jw do not use the youtube for religious purposes.
brocab: Actually you can, you can make a choice given your hole heart to the lord, and follow after Him, becoming a born again Christian, believing in faith, and believe Jesus Christ is Lord. JESUS SAID COME
The verse I quoted was Jesus actually saying bet you didnt read it cos you are so out of point. Yes Jesus made the right choice,he died so that we might be saved. As a Jehovah's witness I believe in Jesus,end my prayers in the name of Jesus. But I serve Jehovah himself,the only good man. I well know that any glory I give to Jesus goes even to Jehovah himself. He's our Father,Our God and Our Friend. We serve him just like Jesus did and still do and will always!
brocab: Revelation 6:10 "And they cried out with a loud voice "How long "O lord holy and true, until you judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth? Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them, that they should rest a little while longer, until the number of the fellow servants and brethren who would be killed as they were, was completed.
1 Thesslonians 4:14-15 "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even God will bring with Him those who have falling asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have falling asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout with a voice of an archangel and with the trumpet of God and the dead in Christ will raise first. Matthew 27:51 "Then the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, the rocks were spilt, and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised, and coming out of the graves, after His resurrection, they went to the holy city and appeared to many. These scriptures are even written in the New World Translation Bible. The spirits of the saints are with God. Luke 16:22 "Gives us a good description where our Spirits end up, While our bodies lay in the graves.
When Cain killed Abel,the bible said Able's blood kept crying out for justice. It was figuratively. Abel's blood can not talk! Same with those people mentioned on revelation. Jehovah was around to witness the bad deeds done to these people,and he knew just how much pain they went through so he would want to see justice done.
When Lazarus died Jesus told his apostles,Lazarus our friend is sleeping but Im going to wake him up. His apostles thought that he was refering to ordinary sleep until he told them plainly Lazarus is dead.
Did you see what Jesus likened death to? Sleep.
When you sleep you literally know nothing unless you wake up. Yes in the resurrection Jehovah is going to wake up all those sleeping in the death whom he found worthy of livinv again including the men of old,we await this special day. In the meantime,the dead know literally NOTHING!
samted: The body dies...but the soul remains. I don't want to go into a back and forth argument on this. Revelations 20:13-(the end) clearly shows that the dead will rise again for the hfinal judgement. If the dead just vanish, are u saying the revelations to John are false?
First of all,what is soul?
Soul is the being. You are a soul. In the days oc Noah,7 souls were saved.
Secondly,Jehovah is going to destroy this wicked system of things,ressurect the dead and bring about paradise. John's revelation isnt false. You just need to understand it for what it is.
The quote below is part of your post made on Jan 18, 9:50PM
Had no time have I ever told you jehovahs witnesses don't use the internet, hence I saw that post as an attempt to create chaos and make the discussion meaningless.
I had initially told you that anything you watch on youtube about jehovahs witnesses is not official and jehovahs withneses do not put videos on youtube.
Below is part of sarang post to you(the underlining is added by me so that you can understand better)
I wonder how this statement is hard to understand. It goes contrary to your reply below
Therefore the statement of urs below is falls unless you say when you use the word "net" as shown in the first quote, you are reffering to something else and not the internet.
Sarang did not also say what you posted below
If I where you, ill take time to understand what people say.
Brocab,shey you dey read my word?
We do not advertise our Religious beliefs nor help people learn about Jehovah on youtube or any other website aside JW.ORG cos we are rich enough to own one. I'd say it again.
brocab: I FOUND THIS ON YOU TUBE AND IF YOU ARE TRYING TO TELL ME THE JW'S DIDN'T ADVERTISE THESE VIDEO'S ON YOU TUBE, THEN I AM CALLING YOU OUT TO BE A LIAR, BECAUSE NO OTHER NON BELIEVER, OR US BELIEVERS WOULD ADVERTISE YOUR RELIGIOUS RUBBISH.
Yes we knew Micheal was a Jehovah's witness. But after he became popular he was probably disfellowshipped or he left by himself. Even Micheal knew that we do not pertain in those sort of things in the world..eg popularity. Our primary focus is on Jehovah.
NB: Micheal was no longer. Jehovah's witness even beforw he died.
brocab: Give up now while you have the chance, the word of God is to strong for you, and it didn't matter how many times I had explained the scriptures, to you over and over-you still don't understand them. But that's understandable you need to be saved, and baptised having the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Sarang said the JW's advertise only the JW org, which I found it on the you tube channel, so I agreed.
You don't like you tube, who cares" JW org is on the you tube channel, as I have proven to you the second time over, you say the JW's don't use you tube, then someone is pissing in your pocket, someone in the organization are using the you tube channel, Prince and Michael Jackson, have laid down their stories on you tube, both JW. I for one wouldn't advertise you beliefs, I couldn't lie to God, nor lie to myself, nor the public, and I believe everyone who knows Jesus, wouldn't advertise the JW's as the number one religion, as you believe. I couldn't imagine all of us that truly believe in Christ, would be caught lying to God, Turning our backs on the Lord, we have given Our lives over to Him our faith along with our works. We pray someday you too will find to truth about Christ, and live as He lives. Just believing in the JW's would condemn us for eternity. And I am not willing to go against my God' Jesus Christ is Lord. And theirs no other name that stands above His name anywhere, Jesus said, heaven and earth will oneday pass away, but My word will never pass away. Jesus is the true God, the only God, and theirs no other God above but Jesus Christ himself lives.
I do not understand what you mean by believibg in the Jw's?
Our belief is founded on Jesus himself please you are getting oug of point.
brocab: As you said by your works you believe you are saved. James 2:18 "But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works, "Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. In your case, not having the faith in Christ, you believe your works will save you. Plus the JW's have black listed my home, they can't handle the truth about Christ. Like you.
We believe that Jesus is the son of God and by means of him many will be saved. We do not believe he is God. He is not God himself!
I don't know about your home but please make sure not to hurt our brothers.
samted: eccl 9:5 is talking about 'the dead' (DEAD PEOPLE) not their spirits. The spirit leaves the person (vessel) after death.
and eccl 9:10 acknowledges that there is a realm of the dead (sheol) or hell or the grave where there is no work or planning.
please, what points were u trying to bring from those verses?
Ecl 5:10 The living know that at least they will die but the dead know nothing at all....
Do you know what Satan told Eve in the garden of Eden? If you eat the fruit you will not die where as Jehovah has already said they will die.
Now if you are saying that the dead are still ALIVE somewhere in the spirit realm,are you not calling God a liar? You might not know this but by saying there is a body that lives after a person dies,you are supporting Satan's lie.
And thats not true. The dead are in the grave and they know or remember nothing at all!
samted: 1 peter 3 vs 18 - 20 (KJV) says: 18For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:19By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Now, if you're well versed in the English language (to a reasonable extent at least) you'd know that v18 which says He was put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the spirit, doesn't refer to the resurrection in any way. He was quickened by the spirit is explained in v19 which says BY WHICH (through the spirit), He went and preached unto spirits in prison, continue to v20 which says that those spirits were sometime disobedient to God in the days of Noah.
You'd agree with me that those spirits which were disobedient to God in the days of Noah were once humans who had long passed before the coming of Jesus. If this is so, it only makes sense to say that they were cast into a place of punishment (not eternal damnation) to await judgment. And due to the fact that they hadn't heard the gospel, Jesus went to preach to them and offer them a chance at salvation...this chance we have every single day we hear the word.
The spirits who were disobedient in Noah's days was Angels who rebelled against God,turned to humans and took wives for themselves.
Jehovah never intended for such to happen. Those rebellious ones are now in the same organization with satan as his demons,deceiving the world and causing chaos every where.
joyandfaith: WHO causes the new birth? When exhorting their listeners to become born-again Christians, some preachers quote Jesus’ words: “You people must be born again.” ( ) Such ministers use these words as a command, in effect saying, “Be born again!” They thus preach that it is up to each believer to obey Jesus and take the necessary steps to undergo the new birth. According to such reasoning, the new birth is a matter of personal choice. But is that view in harmony with what Jesus told Nicodemus? A careful reading of Jesus’ words shows that Jesus did not teach that it is up to man to choose whether to experience the new birth or not. Why do we say this? The Greek expression translated “is born again” can also be rendered “should be born from above.” Thus, according to that alternate rendering, the new birth originates “from above”—that is, “from heaven,” or “from the Father.” ( ; footnote; ) Yes, it is caused by God.— . If we keep the expression “from above” in mind, it is not hard to understand why an individual cannot cause his own new birth. Just think of your physical birth. Was it up to you to make the choice that led to your birth? Of course not! You were born because you were begotten by your father. Similarly, we can experience the new birth only if God, our heavenly Father, causes our new birth. ( ) Thus, the apostle Peter rightly states: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for according to his great mercy he gave us a new birth.”— . Is It a Command? Some may wonder, though, ‘If it is true that no one can decide on his own to be born again, why did Jesus give the command: “You people must be born again”?’ That is a valid question. After all, if Jesus’ words do indeed constitute a command, he would be ordering us to do something beyond our control. That does not sound reasonable. Then, how should the words you must be “born again” be understood? A closer look at that phrase in its original language shows that it is not rendered in the imperative mood, or in the form of a command. Rather, the phrase is rendered in the form of a statement. In other words, when Jesus said you must be “born again,” he was stating a fact, not giving a command. He said: “It is necessary for you to be born from above.”— , Modern Young’s Literal Translation. To illustrate this matter of command versus statement of fact, think of a comparison. Picture a city that has several schools. One of them is set aside as a school for students belonging to a native, or indigenous, population living in an area far from that city. One day, a young man who does not belong to that native group tells the principal of that school, “I want to enroll in your school.” The principal tells him, “To enroll, you must be a native.” Of course, the principal’s words are not a command. He is not ordering the student, “Be a native!” The principal simply states the fact—the requirement for attending that school. Similarly, when Jesus said: “You people must be born again,” he was simply stating a fact—the requirement for one to “enter into the kingdom of God.” That last thought—the Kingdom of God—has a bearing on yet another aspect of the new birth. It concerns the question, What is its purpose? Knowing the answer to that question is a key to understanding accurately what it means to be born again.
The purpose for establishing his kingdom lies on Jehovah's foremost purpose for the earth which is to make a paradise,a bliss for the inhabitants of the earth. At first Satan thwarted this plan still Jehovah's purpose for the earth has not changed. Soon he will bring his kingdom on earth,destroy the wicked people and take over his rulership. This Kingdom we are earnestly waiting for, Which is why we pray each day"MAY YOUR KINGDOM COME.
brocab: And still Christ has all the authority given to Him. Jesus is the only one who can save you.
I cannot do a single thing on my own initiative;Just as I hear,I judge and the judgement I render is righteous because I seek NOT my own will but the will of the one who SENT me.. john 5:30
1Jon 2:17..He that does the will of GOD remains forever.
[quote author=brocab post=42108104]One must be born again before he can enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 28:18-19 "Jesus said, we must be baptised in the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. Jesus came to then and said, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations baptising them in the name of the Father the Son and the Holy Spirit. In your case you are not baptised, in the Father into the Son and the Holy Spirit, Jehovah Witnesses are required to agree in addition to dedicating their life to Jehovah, their dedication identifies them as Jehovah Witnesses in accusation with Gods spirit-directed organization. James 2:18-19 "But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works, Show me your faith without your works. You believe there is one God, you do well, even the demons believe-and tremble! But do you want to know, "O foolish man" that faith without works is dead. [color=#000099]So really you are talking rubbish to even think down those lines you are saved. Saved by whom? ****
Learning and doing Jehovahs will is the requirement Mr. 1cor 18 :4 There is no God but One.
The demons believe that Jehovah exists and shulder but they do not have faith in him or please him.
Jehovahs witnesses show their faith by coming to your house and that of your neighbour to talk to you about God.
brocab: Yes it was the JW's who had advertised themselves on you tube, and other around the world, theirs many programs the JW's have advertised, theirs plenty of reading for everybody. You would be amazed to see how many JW's are using the net as a tool to reach out and spread your gospel. Christians all over this planet are the doing the same, You need to get with the times. With the technology we have today, the computer industry has taken over the world, people aren't listening any-longer so you need to tune in with the program, and see how the world has turned over these last days, young people are either into their phones or a computer, and where's the best place to get their attention is sign up and learn about the computer world. And reach out. So yes you are wrong, the JW's have caught on to the program, using the net, like you and I-how else are we commutating?
You are right. We do use the net but Only On Jw.Org.
We do not put materials on Youtube or stuff. We have a website Jw.Org. We are rich enough to have a website.
And what is wrong with Talking to people about God in the net?
brocab: I believe its you who had refused to look DEEPER into why the change of the bible was done?
And the scripture when Jesus had appeared to His disciples 3 times is in {John 21:14}
Over the past few decades, new bible translations have been popping up like popcorn. Many strong Christians have stood their Ground and continual to believe, read, and study the Authorised King James Bible. Many others, how ever, have forsaken the book that God used for centuries. Such people have falling for smooth advertising schemes and have actually started believing that the modern versions are superior to the King James Bible. It's very sad today that Christians have not taken time to study the subject thoroughly enough to see what is happening.
Originally we published only one tract about the King James Bible. The tract is titled, how I know the King James "Is" the word of God as it presents some rather strong arguments for the KJV. Then we offer a second tract, titled Lets Compare Bibles. This tract shows that the modern translation are literally attracting God's word! Both of these tracts are still available and are free upon request. Now, with the grace of God, we are able to offer a third tract about the King James issue. We call it fables and facts about the King James Bible. It's purpose is to educate Christians about the KJV by clearing some fables that had been spread by the critics. Far to many Christians are accepting the Authorised version by faith alone, rather that working and studying to become more grounded in some of the basic FACTS about this important issue. The following information should be helpful to the believer, who decides to be readily armed with TRUTH.
FABLE: The King James Bible was revised several times before 1800 so modern translations are just additional revisions of the original King James Bible of 1611.
FACTS:The so called "revisions" of the King James Bible prior to 1800 were correct. Typographical errors, add notes, and omit the Apocrypha from between the testaments. There were no changes in the actual TEXT of the King James Bible. The real changes {Over 36,000 of them} didn't start until the modern revisionist came on the scene.
FABLE: The modern translation are more accurate because they have been translated from older and better manuscripts.
FACTS: It is truly amazing how so many Christians have brought into this lie without ever checking what these manuscripts are, Where they came from,and Who wrote them. It's also strange that no-one seems to be asking the question? "Has God has honoured these 'older and better manuscripts throughout Church history? The modern translation are based on the work of two nineteenth century Greek scholars from England-B.F, Westcott, and F.J.A Hort. {Westcott and Hort} were deeply involved in the occult, hated and Textus and receptus Greek text from which the King James was translated, so they conjured up THEIR OWN Greek text. This Westcott and Hort Greek text was based primarily on two very corrupt fourth century ROMAN CATHOLIC Manuscripts. Codex Vaticanus { Discovered in the Pope's library in 1481}and Sinaiticus {Discovered in 1859 in a trash can at St' Catherine's monastery on Mt. Sinai} These are usually "older and better" manuscripts that we keep hearing so much about. These manuscripts supports most of the attacks in the new visions. The Vaticanus is considered to be the most authoritative, although it was responsible for over 36,000 changes that appear today in the new version. This perverted manuscripts contains the books of pagan Apocrypha, which are not scriptural;it omits the pastoral epistles {1 Timothy to Titus} the book of Revelation, and its cut off of the book of Hebrews at {Hebrew 9:14} {A very convenient stopping point for the Catholic Church, since God forbids their priesthood inHebrews 10} The attacks on the word of God found in these manuscripts originated in Alexandria, Egypt, with the deceitful I work of such pagan Greek "scholars" as Origin and clement of Alexandria. Then in 313 A.D. The Roman emperor Constantine ordered fifty copes of "the Bible" from Eusebius the bishop of Caesaria, Eusebius being a devout student of Origin's work, close to send him manuscripts filled with Alexandria's corruption, rather the sending him the true word of God in the SYRIAN text in Antioch, Syria, So the corrupt Alexandria text {Also called the "Egyptian" or "Hesychian" type text} found its way into the Vatican manuscripts, then aventually into the Westcott, and Hort Greek text, and finely into the new "Bible" in your local Christian book store. Therefore" when you hear or read of "someone" "correcting the King James Bible, with "order" or "more authoritative" manuscripts, you are simply hearing someone trying to use the Roman Catholic text to overthrow the God-honoured text of the protestant reformation and the great revivals. God has never honoured this corrupt text and He never will.
FABLE: New translation need to correct the errors and contradictions in the King James Bible.
FACTS:NO-one has ever proven that their are errors and contradictions in the KJV. "Many "Christians" colleges and preachers have a nasty habit of pointing out APPARENT contradictions to their people, but these arguments have been disproven so many times, that it is nothing lessthen disgusting to hear them still being used.
FABLE: The new translations are needed to bring archaic Old English language up to date, People have trouble understanding the language of the King James Bible.
FACTS: The King James Bible is not hard to understand. Most of the so called "archaic" words are explained by the context of the passage or by comparing the passage with other passages in the Bible where the same words are used. Heady and high-minded people resent the King James because it is plain and simple, and it isn't in tune with their high-minded vocabulary. In fact the grade level indicater of the flesch-kincaid research company says the King James language is easier to understand then the new versions. We certainly agree that the language of the King James Bible is a unique language, but why shouldn't be? IT'S THE WORD OF GOD.
FABLE: The King James Bible cannot be infallible because the translators were only men, and all men are sinners. The human element prevents the KJV from being infallible.
FACT: If this is true, then even the ORIGINAL AUTOGRAPHS in Hebrew and Greek were not infallible, because they too were penned by men. The fact of the matter is that the King James translators were only "instruments" of preservation {Which is exactly what they called themselves in the dedicatory to the A.V. 1611} God has always been the Divine Preserver in His Word {Psalms 12:6-7} but He has used men as tools and instruments of preservation, just as He users men to preach His Word. When men humble themselves to the will of God, God can use them to accomplish His Will. {Romans 12:1-2} and this is precisely what happen between 1604 to 1611.
FABLE: The King James translators added to the word of God, because the italicized words I the KJV were not in the Originals.
FACTS:The Italics in the KJV proved that the translators were honest in their work. They set the words in Italics so we would know they were not in the manuscripts they were using. Besides no-one has copies of the manuscripts today, so no-one for certain that the Italicizes aren't in them. In fact there are many cases where we know the Italicized Words are justified. For example {Deuteronomy 8:3} that the word "word" is in Italic. However, when Jesus quotes this verse in {Matthew 4:4} he includes the Italicized word! If the Italicized word does not belong in the bible, Why did the Lord Jesus Quote it?
FABLE: The Original King James Bible included the Apocrypha in the old testament.
FACT: The King James knew the Apocrypha was not scripture, so they placed between the Old and the New testaments, as a HISTORICAL DOCUMENT not as scripture. Friend don't be deceived by the crafty critics of God's word LEARN THE FACTS. 3 John 4:1 "I have no greater joy than to hear My children walk in truth.
Brocab Why does the King James version has Jehovah in some part of the verses and Lord or God in others?
Jessicha: What exactly is the spirit in man and animals ?
Many religions claims that Spirit is a part of the body that leaves the body when someone dies,but that belief is not biblical.
The Hebrew word Ru'ach and the greek word Pneu'ma which are often translated spirit have different meanings. All of them refers to that which is invisible to human sight and which gives evidence of force in motion.
They are normally used to represent WIND,THE ACTIVE LIFE FORCE IN EARTHLY CREATURES,THE IMPELLING FORCE THAT ISSUES FROM A PERSON'S HEART THAT MAKES HIM ACT OR DO THINGS IN CERTAIN WAY,INSPIRED UTTERANCES ORIGINATING FROM AN INVISIBLE FORCE,GOD'S ACTIVE SPIRIT OR HOLY SPIRIT, and SPIRIT PERSONS.
If you are gonna keep it a secret you are gonna keep it forever.. If he marries her you cant do nothing about that.. If you are gonna say it you gotta say it now..
brocab: Are you made up with flesh and blood, bones "Soul {Spirit} living inside you? How many people do you see-One. Jesus is One with God. do you understand? God is Spirit living inside Jesus, how many people, do you see-One.
Something happened recently that changed the way i see things in life now.... Its reminds me how we all 4get to acknowledge the little things beside us,... And i think you'll learn from it too... . I came back to my lodge early this semester, that was in November, i replaced my old clothes with new ones and dumped the old ones in a waste collection infront of my lodge.... What i saw the next day, i never expected....... I saw a little boy and his three other siblings putting on the same clothes i threw away....... I nearly cried.... It made me realize that while i was crying and lamenting that i had no new clothes..... Someone is out there going through waste bins, looking for something atleast to cover up their naked body..... . I hated myself that day for not taking notice of people that really needed help all this while.... I see them everyday, they walk around naked buh nobody cared, they live in an uncompleted building just close to my lodge, they always go through all the waste collection of every lodge in my area buh nobody cared........ And my so-called brothers and sisters in the lord whom always try to lure me to their church didn't even care...... Its not when ur church or group goes to a motherless babies home that u remember u have to help the poor.............. These are the people that deserves wardrobe allowances not our fucking senators and so-called leaders..... I know I'm a student and I'm struggling to survive buh the little i have, I'll always give and please my friends, wherever u are, help people around u in the little way u can, helpless people.............. I'm considering starting "The Michael Ngige Foundation" with the main objective of Clothing, mentoring, counselling the poor.... I know it would be hard and difficult at first buh with hardwork, dedication, prayers and help from friends and sponsors, we'll make it and reach out to thousands of poor kids out there.......
*before i left for Christmas, i bought some clothes and footwears for this kids.... U should see their ever hard-working mother moved to tears..... U should see how joyful this kids were......... I never felt that kinda happiness in my life before......... Plz friends, lets try and affect the change we want in our confused society....
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Atk01: I've only seen one of his dramas Dr. Jin so I really can't say, but I do know people call him a bad actor.
He's going to be in a new historical drama with Lee Young Ae (Dae Jang Geum) and some people are already rolling their eyes asking why he should be cast alongside Young Ae in her comeback after almost 12yrs.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah's Witnesses: 17 Facts People Should Know About Them by Sarang(f): 12:17am On Jan 23, 2016
