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Christianity EtcRe: The Holy Prophet Tb Joshua Heals People Of All Religions - Like In The Gospels by ScienceWatch(op): 1:27pm On Dec 30, 2016
mostee4all:
so please op take note of the of the correction Prophet TB Joshua of The Synagogue Church of All Nations (SCOAN) do not ascribe such titles to himself or his ministry thanks
Hi Mostee4all, I apologize if I responded too strongly to your idea of deleting the word " Holy".

The opposite of "Holy" is "evil"

The definition of holy ;
ˈhəʊli/Submit
adjective

1. dedicated or consecrated to God or a religious purpose; sacred. "the Holy Bible"

synonyms: sacred, consecrated, hallowed, sanctified, venerated, revered, reverenced, divine, religious, blessed, blest, dedicated.

The awe inspiring higher truth that flows like a raging river out of the Holy Scoan Church is because the mighty Jesus Christ want the whole world to see the difference between "FAKE" and "GENUINE."

I trust you can see why it is correct for me to describe the prophet and his church as "Holy".
Christianity EtcRe: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by ScienceWatch: 10:18am On Dec 29, 2016
Mujtahida:
First, my point was not hateful. Second, Thomas Paine was not an atheist and he was not confused. He was a Deist. As for the other parts of your write up I'd say that is your own opinion and you are entitled to it.
Thanks. Point taken.
Christianity EtcRe: Why Is It Impossible For Prophet TB Joshua To Use Demonic Power To Do Healing by ScienceWatch(op): 10:13am On Dec 29, 2016
JMAN05:
Jesus has already stated that those not having his backing can perform powerful works even using his name. So they can expel demons to deceive the unwary.

2thess 2:9 recognizes this powerful works done by the power of Satan. This Satan is transforming himself into an angel of light. So whether there were actual miracle there in scoan or not, it does not dismiss the fact that the devil can inspire people to do such powerful works.

Instead being mesmerised by the miracle you see, better speaks about doing Gods will, for that is what will ensure your future life, not miracles. Matt 7:21
The Holy scriptures quoted below must be understood first before we try to make sense of your comments.

Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Today, the world is blessed to have the evidence of Jesus’ WORKS Biblically and scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV.

A pastor, minister, evangelist will be know by their WORKS so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. John 14:12

Notice Jesus' emphasis on the word "WORKS '. Because everyone can talk. Talk is cheap !
Christianity EtcRe: Bishop Oyedepo' s Christianity by ScienceWatch: 1:53am On Dec 24, 2016
oteneaaron:
Its just like I always say, humans have "GOD" issues and will always worship what they don't understand, or what they are afraid of.

It's in our DNA and Nigerians and the world in general will keep falling for the tricks of these self acclaimed "men of god" (the low case "g" is no mistake)

Religion is loosing it's touch.....Christianity has become the stark opposite of how Jesus instituted it.....

#Fact ......the days of Christendom and religion in general are numbered.....

Ask yourself this question....what is the main cause of mankinds woes?.....religion of cause!!

Disgusting , Fanatic, Self-righteous religious followers everywhere.
The problems are not religion !

The real problem lie with thousands of FAKE pastors that deceive their congregation into believing that the Holy Gospel is all about clever motivational speeches without POWER. A genuine pastor does what Jesus does.

See for yourself how Jesus Himself put an anti-scam plan in place so the world can accurately spot a FALSE pastor from a GENUINE pastor.

Jesus says to all pastors, ministers and evangelists that truly want spiritual enlightenment and power to help the suffering masses;

Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Today, we are blessed to have the evidence Jon 14:12, of Jesus’ WORKS Biblically and scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV.

A pastor, minister, evangelist will be know by their WORKS so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff.

[b]Only the WORKS [/b]bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. John 14:12

What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?

They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same. Jesus says to them,”As my father sent me, so send I you.”

Now the world finally have a free education channel 24 hours a day, seven days a week on Emmanuel TV demonstrating true scientifically verifiable evidence and deeper meaning of John 14:12
Christianity EtcRe: The New STD That Pastor Adeboye Promised Us For 2016 by ScienceWatch: 1:26am On Dec 24, 2016
Topgainer:
Do you have any independent life of your own at all?
The man who did this thing to you is a wicked man. Let me assume you were employed to market this Holy Prophet TB Joshua and Holy Synagogue, can't you resign?
I am hesitating to reply and waste valuable time. But then a brilliant idea came up.

I am now watching Emmanuel TV as I write. I am willing to bet 700,000 Niara that right now, there is no other church in the world where the intense Joy and massive celebrations to honor Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit of God for the incredible amount of miracles and salvation of human souls witnessed through out the year. Wow it is so overwhelmingly POWERFUL.

I salute you, the overseer of the Holy Scoan Church !

My prayer for you is that God will continue to bless you with most powerful spirits of the light, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
You are truly recognized in heaven !
God bless your congregation. The are witnesses to His awesome POWER so that they will brag about their God. That their God can do what no other God can do.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism Is A Mental Illness :charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Thomas Henry Huxley by ScienceWatch(op): 12:53am On Dec 24, 2016
Mockinbird:
Some morafuckin lazylot atheists won't like this news.
Are atheist too lazy or are they racist ? They never had it so easy, today they can examine mind-blowing evidence daily proving like never before in modern history that God is personally involved in our lives. Is racism one of the reasons that some people fail to use the most powerful tool available to examine the proof that God exist ? The SPIRITUAL POWER of God is self-evident in the holy Scoan Church Lagos Nigeria to a degree never seen over the last hundred years.

I was watching Emmanuel TV earlier and will go back to watch more later.
The spiritual praise music and songs are so pure that one can only sit back and feel the presence of the Holy Spirit that is moving with awesome POWER through all the worship singers.

I can help but observe that the worship singers have a profound grace and dignity that is rarely seen.
There joy can only be because they continually witnesses the science defying miracles and amazing deliverances in their Holy Scoan Church. The Holy Prophet TB Joshua is truly a remarkable mentor and pastor.

After viewing The Scoan Live Christmas Carol Night 2016 on Emmanuel TV today I was even more convinced that I saw the deeper meaning of Jesus's words " I come to give you life, and life abundantly."

An unpretentious deep joy simply flows freely from the congregation that also continually witness and receive practical demonstrations of of Jesus's promise to the world. He says " Come to me, I will make your burdens light."

In the Holy Scoan Church you also witness why Jesus commanded the disciples/pastors to take the gospel to all the world.

The gospel is not the motivational show that FAKE pastors have defrauded us with. The Gospel is all that Jesus did.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism Is A Mental Illness :charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Thomas Henry Huxley by ScienceWatch(op): 12:05am On Dec 24, 2016
felixomor:
The world was formless and dark, at first

Mumu, cant u simply ask what made it formless and dark? How did it come to that stage?

Mscheww, I shake my head for you.
Could the answer be that atheism made it formless and dark with formless genetically modified counter-energy?

The dark formless genetically modified energy that is your guiding belief system in atheism literally means nothing more than not theism. There’s nothing positive to focus on, nothing higher than yourself to which you can submit selfish urges.

The process of trashing out your own views is a process of constant rejection: Many say "I don’t believe this religion, I don’t believe in that form of spirituality, I don’t believe in that superstition," and so on.

We know from personal experience, that mentality of constant dismissal of other ideas can fester to the point that the sin of pride becomes your driving force in life. I don’t think I’m the only one who’s noticed that there is a markedly nasty genetically modified tone among many “new atheists” such as
Richard Dawkins,
PZ Myers,
Sigmund Freud – During his insanity, He believed women wanted sex with their fathers and womens stories of rape and molestation were fantasies. Instead of victims these women were the villains.( shocking)
Sam Harris,
Adolf Hitler
Thomas Henry Huxley
Charles Darwin
Fredrick Nietzsche His writings have increased - not reduced - human despair, suffering and dissatisfaction. Millions have perished in agony in ugly and inhuman concentration camps.
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism Is A Mental Illness :charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Thomas Henry Huxley by ScienceWatch(op): 11:51pm On Dec 23, 2016
foladara777:
Oh my... Founders of atheism?? I mean the whole article is utter crap but founders of atheism...
U know there is evidence, though not conclusive of evolution... But the creation story is just funny, like d fact that light was created before sun but the sun is the major source of light so where did the light come from
It could be more practical to focus on more pressing issues than Evolution and even the Big Bang.

Could you rather ask this question, Atheism is the major source of insanity, so where did the insanity come from o.

The common thread [/b]with almost all overt atheists is serious mental illness or an inclination to develop a profound mental illness by age thirty-five.

“We have found that to be true in about 97% of the cases. You never have any medical study where 97% of your results are positive.
It’s almost impossible to make a mistake with numbers like that. Something is going on here and the common thread with almost all overt atheists is serious mental illness or an inclination to develop a profound mental illness by age thirty-five.

[b]“It’s hard to accept something like this
— something like the results of our study — in an enlightened society, but there is no getting around the scientific proof. Every variable and every model that has been used comes to the same conclusion.

People who openly do not believe in a creator or a greater spirit and opt to debate it as part of their definition of self, are almost always suffering from a serious mental illness, and if they are not currently sick, the odds are nearly 100% that they eventually will become mentally ill. “
View the full article here:
http://thedamienzone.com/2012/08/17/atheism-as-a-mental-disorder-or-illness-new-studies-say-yes/
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism Is A Mental Illness :charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Thomas Henry Huxley by ScienceWatch(op):
felixomor:
Where exactly in the bible was light created before sun?
We will see the light when the hidden truths of atheism/agnosticism free us all.

My question to you felixomor is, why all this insanity ? There must be a better way ! I know you can help many lost souls.

Atheist Josef Stalin : for thirty years, until his death in 1953, Josef Stalin was the mass-murdering atheist dictator of Soviet Russia.

He was also a fool.
Muggeridge had collaborated with Svetlana Stalin, Josef Stalin’s daughter, on a BBC documentary about her God-hating father. She recounted his last act of defiant rebellion against the Creator: “As Stalin lay dying, going insane, plagued with terrifying hallucinations, he suddenly sat halfway up in bed, clenched his fist toward the heavens once more, fell back upon his pillow, and was dead.”

“His one last gesture,” observed Zacharias, “was a clenched fist toward God, his heart as cold and hard as steel.”
In my experience it is something common among atheists: an inexplicable, incongruent and visceral hatred for the very God they imagine does not exist.

Mel Gibson an atheist, is another famous person whose name was dragged through the mud because of mental illness – the celebrated actor and director struggles with bipolar I disorder, previously known as manic-depressive disorder. The condition is characterized by episodes of extreme mania and even more extreme depression. In addition to the disorder, Gibson also had severe problems with alcohol and was arrested on DIU charges in 2006 (he also attacked the sheriff and made scandalous anti-Semitic comments).

Catherine Zeta Jones An atheist, Though she kept her mental illness as a secret for many years, Catherine Zeta-Jones opened up about mental illness a few years back and revealed that she suffered from bipolar II disorder, an illness which had taken control of her entire life and affected her career.

Drew Carey, a quite atheist, has never been ashamed to admit that he suffered from mental problems, depression and even tried to take his own life on more than one occasion.

Britney Spears atheism almost ended badly , Pop princess Britney Spears was America’s sweetheart until her life and career started falling apart a few years back after mental illness: she shaved her beautiful golden hair, became violent, and struggled with several addictions. On top of it all, the teen idol suffered a public mental breakdown and eventually lost custody over her two kids.

Brooke Shields atheism affected her life, Instead of enjoying motherhood, model, and actress Brooke Shields an active atheist, suffered from a severe case of postpartum depression and mental illness. She came clean about her condition in an effort to help other moms to deal with the horrors of postnatal depression.

Emma Thompson a proud atheist, One of the greatest actresses of our time, Emma Thompson also dealt with mental deseases, extreme depression and was unable to get out of bed at times. Talking about her illness, Thompson revealed that she had done everything possible to ignore the voices in her head, a task that proved to be too overwhelming for the actress.

Carrie Fisher is an agnostic/atheist celebrity who has mental problems, bipolar I disorder. Unaware of her illness, After experiencing a psychotic breakdown, 15 years after her first diagnosis was made, Fisher finally realized things had gone too far.

Elton John, an atheist said he would ban religion. Everyone knows that Sir Elton John had mental problems, battled drug abuse, bulimia.
another eating disorder of chewing and spitting. but not many people are aware that the legendary musician also suffered from bulimia.

Margot Kidder an atheist, Some of you may remember Margot Kidder’s public breakdown when she disappeared for a few days and actually became a street person. She was found in a horrible state and placed into psychiatric care. Speaking of one of her many episodes, she said: I was like one of those ladies you see talking to the space aliens on the street corner in New York.

Kurt Cobain a Satanist an atheist, was an amazingly talented, mentally disturbed singer who put an end to his own life at the young age of 27. However, his world was definitely a dark one, and Cobain was simply unable to cope with mental illness, drug addiction, and fame. The grunge legend was diagnosed with attention deficit disorder, bipolar disorder, and major depression – conditions that all led to his untimely death

Jean Claude Van Damme an atheist, Belgian-born actor and martial artist Jean-Claude Van Damme suffers from bipolar disorder, a mental illness that is characterized by a much faster transition from highs to lows. When he was a teenager, Van Damme struggled with depression

Actress Drew Barrymore use to wear the Hitler swastika, also was mentally disturbed bipolar disorder and suffers from panic attacks. On top of it all, she was also addicted to alcohol and drugs.Drew has self-proclaimed herself as ‘crazy’ and doesn’t care what other people think. As a matter of fact, it seems that she is proud of being ‘crazy’ and often describes her entire family with the same way.

Demi Lovato also an atheist, suffering mental problems, When you’re dealing with bulimia, bipolar disorder, and addiction at the same time, life must seem hopeless. And this is exactly how Demi Lovato felt in 2010, the year when her problems became too serious and she had to check into a rehabilitation center for assistance.

Jim Carrey an atheist, It’s not the first time that we hear about comedic actors who are, in fact, the saddest actors with mental disorders. Ace Ventura, Mask, and Dumb And Dumber
Christianity EtcRe: Atheism Is A Mental Illness :charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Thomas Henry Huxley by ScienceWatch(op): 10:59pm On Dec 23, 2016
foladara777:
Leave the guy... Always defending the bible but does not know the creation story
Which version of the creation theory
do you want ? The Atheist version is a bit doggy because of obvious reasons as outlined by Dr.Zimmerman findings below;

Dr. Zimmermann’s studies also divide common mental illnesses into categories wherein The Misfit Syndrome is common or uncommon. He defines them here:
Much more serious ‘mental illness,’ such as schizophrenia and serious forms of socio-pathology are very often seen in the overt atheist with percentages approaching 100%.

In other words, people who proclaim to be believers are more prone to the more mundane Generalized Anxiety Disorders or various phobias, but overt non-believers suffer from much more profound mental issues and socio-pathologies.

“The atheist can only efficiently associate with other atheists and when confronted with the companionship of ordinary people, they recoil in anger and hostility.

Now the puzzle is finally coming together. When we go a bit further and examine famous entertainers and only one mass murderer that are atheists, the findings look grim;

Atheist Josef Stalin : for thirty years, until his death in 1953, Josef Stalin was the mass-murdering atheist dictator of Soviet Russia.

He was also a fool.
Muggeridge had collaborated with Svetlana Stalin, Josef Stalin’s daughter, on a BBC documentary about her God-hating father. She recounted his last act of defiant rebellion against the Creator: “As Stalin lay dying, going insane, plagued with terrifying hallucinations, he suddenly sat halfway up in bed, clenched his fist toward the heavens once more, fell back upon his pillow, and was dead.”

“His one last gesture,” observed Zacharias, “was a clenched fist toward God, his heart as cold and hard as steel.”
In my experience it is something common among atheists: an inexplicable, incongruent and visceral hatred for the very God they imagine does not exist.

Mel Gibson an atheist, is another famous person whose name was dragged through the mud because of mental illness – the celebrated actor and director struggles with bipolar I disorder, previously known as manic-depressive disorder. The condition is characterized by episodes of extreme mania and even more extreme depression. In addition to the disorder, Gibson also had severe problems with alcohol and was arrested on DIU charges in 2006 (he also attacked the sheriff and made scandalous anti-Semitic comments).

Catherine Zeta Jones An atheist, Though she kept her mental illness as a secret for many years, Catherine Zeta-Jones opened up about mental illness a few years back and revealed that she suffered from bipolar II disorder, an illness which had taken control of her entire life and affected her career.

Drew Carey, a quite atheist, has never been ashamed to admit that he suffered from mental problems, depression and even tried to take his own life on more than one occasion.

Britney Spears atheism almost ended badly , Pop princess Britney Spears was America’s sweetheart until her life and career started falling apart a few years back after mental illness: she shaved her beautiful golden hair, became violent, and struggled with several addictions. On top of it all, the teen idol suffered a public mental breakdown and eventually lost custody over her two kids.

Brooke Shields atheism affected her life, Instead of enjoying motherhood, model, and actress Brooke Shields an active atheist, suffered from a severe case of postpartum depression and mental illness. She came clean about her condition in an effort to help other moms to deal with the horrors of postnatal depression.

Emma Thompson a proud atheist, One of the greatest actresses of our time, Emma Thompson also dealt with mental deseases, extreme depression and was unable to get out of bed at times. Talking about her illness, Thompson revealed that she had done everything possible to ignore the voices in her head, a task that proved to be too overwhelming for the actress.

Carrie Fisher is an agnostic/atheist celebrity who has mental problems, bipolar I disorder. Unaware of her illness, After experiencing a psychotic breakdown, 15 years after her first diagnosis was made, Fisher finally realized things had gone too far.

Elton John, an atheist said he would ban religion. Everyone knows that Sir Elton John had mental problems, battled drug abuse, bulimia.
another eating disorder of chewing and spitting. but not many people are aware that the legendary musician also suffered from bulimia.

Margot Kidder an atheist, Some of you may remember Margot Kidder’s public breakdown when she disappeared for a few days and actually became a street person. She was found in a horrible state and placed into psychiatric care. Speaking of one of her many episodes, she said: I was like one of those ladies you see talking to the space aliens on the street corner in New York.

Kurt Cobain a Satanist an atheist, was an amazingly talented, mentally disturbed singer who put an end to his own life at the young age of 27. However, his world was definitely a dark one, and Cobain was simply unable to cope with mental illness, drug addiction, and fame. The grunge legend was diagnosed with attention deficit disorder, bipolar disorder, and major depression – conditions that all led to his untimely death

Jean Claude Van Damme an atheist, Belgian-born actor and martial artist Jean-Claude Van Damme suffers from bipolar disorder, a mental illness that is characterized by a much faster transition from highs to lows. When he was a teenager, Van Damme struggled with depression

Actress Drew Barrymore use to wear the Hitler swastika, also was mentally disturbed bipolar disorder and suffers from panic attacks. On top of it all, she was also addicted to alcohol and drugs.Drew has self-proclaimed herself as ‘crazy’ and doesn’t care what other people think. As a matter of fact, it seems that she is proud of being ‘crazy’ and often describes her entire family with the same way.

Demi Lovato also an atheist, suffering mental problems, When you’re dealing with bulimia, bipolar disorder, and addiction at the same time, life must seem hopeless. And this is exactly how Demi Lovato felt in 2010, the year when her problems became too serious and she had to check into a rehabilitation center for assistance.

Jim Carrey an atheist, It’s not the first time that we hear about comedic actors who are, in fact, the saddest actors with mental disorders. Ace Ventura, Mask, and Dumb And Dumber
Christianity EtcRe: What Do You Believe About Jesus And Why Do You Believe In Him by ScienceWatch: 10:36pm On Dec 23, 2016
DarkRebel101:
Sciencewatch, Socrates was never atheist.

After the jury found him guilty, he said this:

“Now it is time that we were going, I to die and you to live; but which of us has the happier prospect is unknown to anyone but GOD."Socrates

Notice his reference to God in that statement?

He might not have wholly subscribed to the Greek gods, but he was by all means a deist.
Sorry for the late reply DARKREBEL101,
You got me working on this, so i found something you will enjoy.

Even Adolf Hitler made continual reference to God to inspire the Nazis, while He was killing millions of innocent women and children.
It makes one wonders.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by ScienceWatch: 10:28pm On Dec 23, 2016
hahn:
Actually I intend on suggesting a "Psychiatric" section to seun and make you guys the mods cheesy
Dont belittle yourself now !
That position will suit you. but thanks anyway.
Christianity EtcRe: What Positive Effect Has Your Religion/belief Had In Your Life? by ScienceWatch: 10:17pm On Dec 23, 2016
hahn:
There is always so much war between atheists, christians and muslims on this forum. Everyone feels their belief is right while the other is wrong. However, I personally feel that irrespective of one's religion and the issues surrounding it there is usually a personal benefit that comes along with. This thread is to discuss only the POSITIVE sides of our beliefs or religion with the hope that this will aid us understand better what every religion/belief has to offer and therefore make us more lenient towards each other's beliefs.

I'll go first. I'd say I'm non-religious and still on and off on the existence of God and of his responsibility towards us. That's a topic for another day. However, since I stopped following religion I've realised that most of the challenges that I find myself facing are either as a result of my own decisions or actions and simply because there's no possibility of life being always sweet and not because of some witch or wizard or "bad belle" in my village or community who is trying as much as possible to bring me down. As a result, I'm more concious of my actions and the feeling of responsibilty has been greatly increased. I no longer feel enmity towards people because I now understand that generally people are selfish and in most cases think of only themselves which is natural. With this understanding, its easier for me to deal with people and protect my interests because I can understand that they are only fighting for their own interests.

Also, I'm able to love and feel empathic towards everyone because I don't belong to a religion and since I can't take sides with anyone I can relate with every being just because that person is a human being and not because of the person's religious affiliation, tribe, etc. Being free from religious barriers has also helped me to see beyond racial, tribalistic or idealistic perspectives and I now see people for what they really are.

Kindly share the benefits your religion has had in your life.
Thanks for the offer, HAHN, I will kindly share the benefits of religion.

I know you hate my "religion" which stems from the awe inspiring practical demonstrations of the Holy Gospels and the Book of Acts flowing out of the Holy Scoan Church lagos Nigeria. For your sake I will make share my experience indirectly and I sincerely hope enlightened reader on Nairaland will understand.

Firstly, I would like to question your statements above to obtain clarity as we move forward. All great religions with thousands of years experience can prove that the spirit world is very, very real on both sides, dark and light.

1) Can you explain [/b]why you foolishly choose to deny that "some witch or wizard or "bad belle" in my village" can harm you ?

2) [b]You say the following
"generally people are selfish and in most cases think of only themselves which is natural." Again I wonder why you hate religious guidance when atheism has not helped you to understand that selfishness is not natural o.
The consequences of selfishness is terrible and you think it is natural.
All the religions, from Buddhism to Islam could have effectively removed this ignorance.

3) You go on to say, "With this understanding, its easier for me to deal with people and protect my interests because I can understand that they are only fighting for their own interests." Your statement reveal your belief that selfishness is natural. All religions that you despise would have taught you and demonstrated the fact that you must do unto other as you would have them do unto you.

In practice, it plays out like this; first protect the interests of others and you you will be protected. You you see why there is do much stress and misery in the world ?

4)Lastly, you say, " Being free from religious barriers has also helped me to see beyond racial, tribalistic or idealistic perspectives and I now see people for what they really are."
Here you are repeating what you have heard from others like you. You never had real experiences to backup what you are saying here.
All great religions have never created the barriers you imagine. You are not able to see people for what they are because you already started wrong when you say it is natural to be selfish when it really is UNNATURAL to be selfish. It is like saying it is natural to rape a woman. or it is natural to steal.

There you have it: [/b]I have indirectly shared with you my experience gained from religion.

Dont despair HAHN, there are many famous people that also rejected teachings that stood the test of time for untried, untested teachings or there defiance resulted from pride/ puffed up ideas of self. I have added a few examples below:

[b]Charles Darwin
– The master of faking evolution theories for personal status. He lived the greatest portion of his life in deep mental depression, there is a history of mental illness in his family. He believed his dad had the power of prediction; He had an endless catalogue of psychosomatic illnesses and lived as a semi invalid barely past thirty.

Sigmund Freud – During his insanity, He believed women wanted sex with their fathers and womens stories of rape and molestation were fantasies. Instead of victims these women were the villains.( shocking)

Sigmund Freud was the founding father of psychoanalysis, a method for treating a mental illness and also a theory which explains human behaviour. Freud believed a female is a failed boy.
He was obsessed with the sexual conquest of his mother and rivalry with his dad. The desire to have sex with his mother and kill his father haunted his dreams. He believed women wanted sex with there fathers and stories of rape and molestation were fantasies. Instead of victims these women were villains.

Fredrick Nietzsche His writings have increased - not reduced - human despair, suffering and dissatisfaction. Millions have perished in agony in ugly and inhuman concentration camps.
In the second half of his life he suffered from psychiatric mental illness with depression and a definite psychological pattern of insanity is evident. They were men whose dominating, overbearing and even abusive fathers led them to rebellion and renunciations of God.Fredrick

Nietzsche said,” 'I call Christianity the one great curse, the one enormous and innermost perversion, the one great instinct of revenge, for which no means are too venomous, too underhand, too underground and too petty — I call it the one immortal blemish of mankind. ... The only excuse for God is that he doesn't exist.' Nietzsche also professed himself to be “a follower of Dionysus, the god of life’s exuberance”, and declared that he hoped Dionysus would replace Jesus as the primary cultural standard for future millennia. Nietzsche claimed that his recommended path would lead to good mental health, he spent the last ten years of his life suffering from serious mental illness from which he never recovered! Does this not suggest that the man himself did not know and understand the path to good mental health?
No excuses can be made for this apparently hate-filled and despicable gentleman who formulated a philosophy of hatred
These guys hated their fathers, these spiritual wounds festered a rebellion against a hostile father they identified with a hostile God. They made it their lives work to destroy the God who had come to symbolize their father.

Thomas Henry Huxley - Apostle of Darwinism. Thomas Henry Huxley will be remembered by the public merely as the athiest man who held that we were descended from the ape, or as the apostle of Darwinism, The Big Bang.
Agnosticism is the philosophical position that it is impossible to know about the nature or existence of God. The term “Agnostic” was coined in 1869 by Thomas H Huxley

His father died in an insane asylum. Huxley’s hatred of God was rooted in the fear that the insanity in his family was caused by unclean spirits.
He believed he had been poisoned by vapours from a dead body. After his only son dies of scarlet fever he detested God and believed that God was cruel, hostile, angry and indifferent to suffering.

These four prophets of atheism and many more all had powerful domineering fathers. They were fearful, weak, submissive kids. They all grew up with a history of mental diorders, headaches, depression , obsessive fears, extreme shyness, intestinal disorders, and made it there lives work to destroy God who had come to symbolize there fathers.

Josef Stalin an atheist : for thirty years, until his death in 1953, Josef Stalin was the mass-murdering atheist dictator of Soviet Russia.

He was also a fool.
Muggeridge had collaborated with Svetlana Stalin, Josef Stalin’s daughter, on a BBC documentary about her God-hating father. She recounted his last act of defiant rebellion against the Creator: “As Stalin lay dying, going insane, plagued with terrifying hallucinations, he suddenly sat halfway up in bed, clenched his fist toward the heavens once more, fell back upon his pillow, and was dead.”

“His one last gesture,” observed Zacharias, “was a clenched fist toward God, his heart as cold and hard as steel.”
In my experience it is something common among atheists: an inexplicable, incongruent and visceral hatred for the very God they imagine does not exist.

Mel Gibson an atheist, is another famous person whose name was dragged through the mud because of mental illness – the celebrated actor and director struggles with bipolar I disorder, previously known as manic-depressive disorder. The condition is characterized by episodes of extreme mania and even more extreme depression. In addition to the disorder, Gibson also had severe problems with alcohol and was arrested on DIU charges in 2006 (he also attacked the sheriff and made scandalous anti-Semitic comments).
Christianity EtcRe: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by ScienceWatch: 9:15pm On Dec 23, 2016
hahn:
Doing the same thing and expecting a different result is insanity

Keep it up grin
Look who is quoting Dr.Phil ! But it is a shame that you are not learning from Dr.Phil. You always do the same thing.

Here is something different for your readers. Dont thank me.

Atheists have good reason to be very excited this time of the year.
This is the time when they gloat over what have happened to thousands of atheists that have fallen into a cruel spiritual trap that gradually led to insanity.

This is the time of year when atheists gather together to curse their founding fathers for not finding the promised Holy Grail that would have given them eternal life instead of rapid decay in a mental asylum. Josef Stalin was on of the insane messiahs of atheism.

Josef Stalin was a proud atheist : He suffered mental insanity for thirty years, until his death in 1953, Josef Stalin was the mass-murdering atheist dictator of Soviet Russia.

He was also a fool.
Muggeridge had collaborated with Svetlana Stalin, Josef Stalin’s daughter, on a BBC documentary about her God-hating father. She recounted her insane fathers last act of defiant rebellion against the Creator: “As Josef Stalin lay dying, going insane, plagued with terrifying hallucinations, he suddenly sat halfway up in bed, clenched his fist toward the heavens once more, fell back upon his pillow, and was dead.”
“His one last gesture, ” observed Zacharias, “was a clenched fist toward God, his heart as cold and hard as steel.”

Atheist Thomas Henry Huxley - Was an Apostle of Darwinism. Thomas Henry Huxley will be remembered by the public merely as the atheist man who believed that we were descended from the ape, or as the apostle of Darwinism, The Big Bang.
Agnosticism is the philosophical position that it is impossible to know about the nature or existence of God. The term “Agnostic” was coined in 1869 by Thomas H Huxley who was an atheist to further confuse the simple meaning of "God hater".

His father died in an insane asylum. Huxley’s hatred of God was rooted in the fear that the insanity in his family was caused by unclean spirits.

Atheist Sigmund Freud was the founding father of psychoanalysis, a method for treating a mental illness and also a theory which explains human behaviour. He could not treat his own mental diseases.
Freud believed a female is a failed boy.

Sigmund Freud was obsessed with the having sex with his mother and rivalry with his dad. The desire to have sex with his mother and kill his father haunted his dreams. He believed women wanted sex with there fathers and stories of rape and molestation were fantasies. Instead of victims these women were villains.


Charles Darwin an atheist – He was a master at faking evolution theories for personal status. He lived the greatest portion of his life in deep mental depression, there is a history of mental illness in his family. He believed his dad had the power of prediction; He had an endless list of psychosomatic mental illnesses and lived as a semi invalid barely past thirty.

For hundreds of years atheist have viciously fought to destroy religion and ensure that God and Jesus did not exist.
Now as athiest AKINTOM proudly proclaim, they are marching around a mental asylum in celebration of the terrible way in which their heroes are shamed.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by ScienceWatch: 9:08pm On Dec 23, 2016
hahn:
I have added you to the list

MrPresident1
Otem
sciencewatch
Good idea, but only if it is a list of fake religions, o.
Christianity EtcRe: Alas! The Wall Of Religion Is Falling by ScienceWatch: 9:03pm On Dec 23, 2016
Anas09:
A question about redemption adds nothing to your life, but preaching TBJoshua adds alot to your life abi?
Pls stay off my mention.
No problem ! The truth hurts.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by ScienceWatch: 8:40pm On Dec 23, 2016
winner01:
Christ did not approve of any religion. Christ is the truth, the way and the life. Those who follow Him are called by his name.
Religion is good but not substantial. The whole human race is doomed. However, whosoever shall call upon that Name Jesus, for there is no other name given in heaven or on earth by which men must be saved.
Whatever you believe, you owe it to yourself to examine these realities and then choose for yourself. It does not matter if you dont like it.
A fool is judged by his folly - quote grade A. An atheist is a fool.

Well said WINNER01. It may help to consider the problem of belief and disbelief in Jesus from a slightly different angle.

SPIRITUAL is far beyond reason. That is the reason why a theology degree or professorship fail to help you enter into the spirit and experience the POWER.

What we must get right is our own understanding of what pastors/disciples/ministers/priests really are.
They are simply spiritual leaders - The genuine ones enter the spirit world of God and spiritual POWER is released for our benefit. The results are always beyond reason. It can also be described as "Miraculous".

But the FAKE pastors are a curse to mankind. They perpetuate the suffering we see spreading world wide. They demand more and more money. They are fancy motivational speakers without spiritual POWER.

The keyword when analyzing spiritual matters is "POWER". Thousands of pastors/ministers/bishops/apostles without POWER, that is FAKE pastors are now fearful because the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria with the global coverage of Emmanuel TV is exposing their evil.

The FAKE PASTORS that are status driven Know the bible. The bible commands genuine pastors to freely heal etc.

These FAKE PASTORS know that the bible prohibit anyone from entering priesthood if they have not received " SPIRITUAL POWER".

There is no exception - Jesus says to all pastors, ministers and evangelists that truly want spiritual enlightenment and power for the benefit of others;

Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

The world is truly blessed to have abundance of scientifically verifiable evidence of Jon 14:12 in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV. Finally FAKE pastors are afraid that their congregations are secretly watching Emmanuel TV and will soon rise up and demand a replacement with a genuine spirit anointed pastor. It is already happening !

A pastor, minister, evangelist will be know by their WORKS so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. John 14:12

HAHN's complicated deception and long, painful attempt to hook innocent Christians out of their precious faith can not succeed.
Thanks to the daily global coverage of Emmanuel TV and freely available biblicaly based, practical spiritual demonstrations of true SPIRITUAL POWER that only Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit do through the humble servant, Holy Prophet TB Joshua.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by ScienceWatch: 8:35pm On Dec 23, 2016
Image123:
But hahn is not intelligent, i know him well on the forum. He could not even see that his points shoot down the atheism religion and their devil god. He relies on article like you noticed, has no wisdom, knowledge or understanding of his own except what his cliq and mentors say.
You guys have good points.

SPIRITUAL is far beyond reason. That is the reason why a theology degree or professorship fail to help you enter into the spirit and experience the POWER.

What we must get right is our own understanding of what pastors/disciples/ministers/priests really are.
They are simply spiritual leaders - The genuine ones enter the spirit world of God and spiritual POWER is released for our benefit. The results are always beyond reason. It can also be described as "Miraculous".

But the FAKE pastors are a curse to mankind. They perpetuate the suffering we see spreading world wide. They demand more and more money. They are fancy motivational speakers without spiritual POWER.

The keyword when analyzing spiritual matters is "POWER". Thousands of pastors/ministers/bishops/apostles without POWER, that is FAKE pastors are now fearful because the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria with the global coverage of Emmanuel TV is exposing their evil.

The FAKE PASTORS that are status driven Know the bible. The bible commands genuine pastors to freely heal etc.

These FAKE PASTORS know that the bible prohibit anyone from entering priesthood if they have not received " SPIRITUAL POWER".

There is no exception - Jesus says to all pastors, ministers and evangelists that truly want spiritual enlightenment and power for the benefit of others;
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

The world is truly blessed to have the evidence Jon 14:12, of Jesus’ WORKS Biblically and scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV.

A pastor, minister, evangelist will be know by their WORKS so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. John 14:12

HAHN's complicated deception and long, painful attempt to hook innocent Christians out of their precious faith can not succeed.
Thanks to the daily global coverage of Emmanuel TV and freely available biblicaly based, practical spiritual demonstrations of true SPIRITUAL POWER that only Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit do through the humble servant, Holy Prophet TB Joshua.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by ScienceWatch: 8:27pm On Dec 23, 2016
hahn:
It doesn't allow other religions to live and let live not to mention atheist. As far as they are concerned atheists will burn in hell for eternity undecided

Good thing I am going with a bad of weed tongue
Take it easy, HAHN. Da weed is for Ja !

Lets get serious and rather try to be helpful to some sincere young readers on Nairaland.

SPIRITUAL is far beyond reason. That is the reason why a theology degree or professorship fail to help you enter into the spirit and experience the POWER.

What we must get right is our own understanding of what pastors/disciples/ministers/priests really are.
They are simply spiritual leaders - The genuine ones enter the spirit world of God and spiritual POWER is released for our benefit. The results are always beyond reason. It can also be described as "Miraculous".

But the FAKE pastors are a curse to mankind. They perpetuate the suffering we see spreading world wide. They demand more and more money. They are fancy motivational speakers without spiritual POWER.

The keyword when analyzing spiritual matters is "POWER". Thousands of pastors/ministers/bishops/apostles without POWER, that is FAKE pastors are now fearful because the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria with the global coverage of Emmanuel TV is exposing their evil.

The FAKE PASTORS that are status driven Know the bible. The bible commands genuine pastors to freely heal etc.

These FAKE PASTORS know that the bible prohibit anyone from entering priesthood if they have not received " SPIRITUAL POWER".

There is no exception - Jesus says to all pastors, ministers and evangelists that truly want spiritual enlightenment and power for the benefit of others;
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

The world is truly blessed to have the evidence Jon 14:12, of Jesus’ WORKS Biblically and scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV.

A pastor, minister, evangelist will be know by their WORKS so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. John 14:12

HAHN's complicated deception and long, painful attempt to hook innocent Christians out of their precious faith can not succeed.
Thanks to the daily global coverage of Emmanuel TV and freely available biblicaly based, practical spiritual demonstrations of true SPIRITUAL POWER that only Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit do through the humble servant, Holy Prophet TB Joshua.
Christianity EtcRe: How To Know If Your Religion Is The Fake One! by ScienceWatch: 8:02pm On Dec 23, 2016
Mujtahida:
And they keep bleating and belting out the tripe that Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with God. What is religion if not a way to relate to any of the number of gods men have set up for themselves? A Muslim relates to Allah through Islam, a Jew with Hashem through Judaism, an Hindu with Brahma through Hinduism, a Shintoist with any of the ancestral gods through shintoism. Ssssshhh! Christianity is a religion, a toxic religion and the singular evidence I'd give for this assertion is the fact that it has a book called the Bible. Pray tell me, you who say it is not a religion, do you relate with your friends, your father, your mother, brothers and sisters through a book? If it is not a religion why do you have churches, why do you have Pastors and Bishops and Teachers and Evangelist to interprete God to you through a book? Does the Sun need interpretation? If Christianity is not a religion, I dare that God who spoke in the Bible, who spoke to inanimate matter (let there be light) who spoke from the first page of the Bible to the last to speak verbally to the congregants in church so that all can hear him at once without the need for interpretation. Before you go all spiritual on me remember your God is not like the idols who have mouth but cannot speak, surely he is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent. I do not ask for miracles or omens or signs and wonders. Only just this simple act: let him speak audibly and verbally. If he can give his most precious son to die for our sins then surely for him to speak to one and all should be very easy, very very easy. For the record I believe there's a God but I must admit that I do not know him. The God of the Bible is a Jewish fraud and a gross hoax. That God does not exist except in the pages of the Bible where is he very active- killing, pillaging, destroying, speaking, commanding and constantly interfering - and in the imagination of the believing brains of Christians. Go read Thomas Paine 'The Age of Reason'.
You were going well to make your hateful point, until you directed us to read an idiots book. Thomas Paine is a confused atheist. As he feebly tries to raise materialistic reason to the level of a god, Paine missed an important yet simple fact that "spiritual" is far beyond reason.

SPIRITUAL is far beyond reason. That is the reason why a theology degree or professorship fail to help enter into the spirit and experience the POWER.

What we must get right is our own understanding of what pastors/disciples/ministers/priests really are.
They are simply spiritual leaders - The genuine ones enter the spirit world of God and spiritual POWER is released for our benefit. The results are always beyond reason. It can also be described as "Miraculous".

But the FAKE pastors are a curse to mankind. They perpetuate the suffering we see spreading world wide. They demand more and more money. They are fancy motivational speakers without spiritual POWER.

The keyword when analyzing spiritual matters is "POWER". Thousands of pastors/ministers/bishops/apostles without POWER, that is FAKE pastors are now fearful because the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria with the global coverage of Emmanuel TV is exposing their evil.

They Know the bible. The bible commands genuine pastors to freely heal etc. They know that the bible prohibit anyone from entering priesthood if they have not received " SPIRITUAL POWER".
Christianity EtcRe: The New STD That Pastor Adeboye Promised Us For 2016 by ScienceWatch: 6:05pm On Dec 23, 2016
jonbellion:
I see
Okay
Either way your pastor is still a fraud
I have spoken to many disciples of Christ from a few different religions, including Muslims about the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and about the unrivaled supernatural powers of healing and deliverance and inspiring charity possessed by this man.

When these people were shown Biblical scriptures that show the method Jesus and His disciples/pastors used to bring about salvation, they readily agreed that the Holy Prophet TB Joshua is doing what is written in the Holy Scriptures.

Below are overpowering evidence of how a fake disciple/pastor can be recognized from a genuine pastor ;

Joh 5:20 "For the true God loves the Son, and shows Him all miracles that He does: and He will show me greater miracles/WORKS than these, so that you may be amazed and believe." There we have it ! Believing is salvation. The miracles are evidence of Jesus and all true Pastors connection with God. This is the way no pastor can fake his/her way onto the pulpit.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor/disciple, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches.
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me.

Joh 17:18 What I was sent into the world to do, I also sent them into the world to do the same.

The wisdom of God is evident in this divine setup. He knew that evil people will use Jesus name for personal gain and perpetuate the suffering of innocent believers.
Christianity EtcRe: What Do You Believe About Jesus And Why Do You Believe In Him by ScienceWatch: 6:02pm On Dec 23, 2016
ScienceWatch:
When you became aware of the many people that hate the WORKS of Jesus Christ as demonstrated by the mind blowing help given freely to the suffering masses including royality, presidents, doctors etc, every evil attempt is made to destroy the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria.

Today most churches are simply glorified motivational centres that offer nice sounding words and aggressive money collections without the Resurrection Power needed to save the suffering persons.
The abundance of live testimonies is breath-taking. The Holy Prophet TB Joshua says, “It is a sin for sick people to go into any church of Jesus CHRIST and go home the same.” It is written, “Jesus and His Pastors healed everyone.” Freely – No charge !

What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?
They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same, He says to them,” As my father sent me, so send I you.” )


Jesus said, “Come to me, I will make your burdens light.” When the creation power of Jesus and the Holy Spirit is not seen in any church, the problem is with the Pastor.

The congregations Faith is always enough as consistently shown in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and in the holy gospels and the Books of Acts. Emmanuel TV is truly a gift from God to the whole world.
I have spoken to many disciples of Christ from a few different religions, including Muslims about the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and about the unrivaled supernatural powers of healing and deliverance and inspiring charity possessed by this man.
When these people were shown Biblical scriptures that show the method Jesus and His disciples/pastors used to bring about salvation, they readily agreed that the Holy Prophet TB Joshua is doing what is written in the Holy Scriptures.

Below are overpowering evidence of how a fake disciple/pastor can be recognized from a genuine pastor ;

Joh 5:20 "For the true God loves the Son, and shows Him all miracles that He does: and He will show me greater miracles/WORKS than these, so that you may be amazed and believe." There we have it ! Believing is salvation. The miracles are evidence of Jesus and all true Pastors connection with God. This is the way no pastor can fake his/her way onto the pulpit.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor/disciple, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches.
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me.

Joh 17:18 What I was sent into the world to do, I also sent them into the world to do the same.

The wisdom of God is evident in this divine setup. He knew that evil people will use Jesus name for personal gain and perpetuate the suffering of innocent believers.
Christianity EtcRe: What Do You Believe About Jesus And Why Do You Believe In Him by ScienceWatch: 6:01pm On Dec 23, 2016
adepeter26:
For the last time, i will say you are a promoter of SCOAN. thanks.
When you became aware of the many people that hate the WORKS of Jesus Christ as demonstrated by the mind blowing help given freely to the suffering masses including royality, presidents, doctors etc, every evil attempt is made to destroy the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria.

Today most churches are simply glorified motivational centres that offer nice sounding words and aggressive money collections without the Resurrection Power needed to save the suffering persons.
The abundance of live testimonies is breath-taking. The Holy Prophet TB Joshua says, “It is a sin for sick people to go into any church of Jesus CHRIST and go home the same.” It is written, “Jesus and His Pastors healed everyone.” Freely – No charge !

What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?
They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same, He says to them,” As my father sent me, so send I you.” )


Jesus said, “Come to me, I will make your burdens light.” When the creation power of Jesus and the Holy Spirit is not seen in any church, the problem is with the Pastor.

The congregations Faith is always enough as consistently shown in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and in the holy gospels and the Books of Acts. Emmanuel TV is truly a gift from God to the whole world.
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Don't Be So Gullible!!!! by ScienceWatch: 5:52pm On Dec 23, 2016
Butteredpako:
grin grin grin This guy sha
This guy want share something very important about Jesus the Messiah.

I have spoken to many disciples of Christ from a few different religions, including Muslims about the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and about the unrivaled supernatural powers of healing and deliverance and inspiring charity possessed by this man.
When these people were shown Biblical scriptures that show the method Jesus and His disciples/pastors used to bring about salvation, they readily agreed that the Holy Prophet TB Joshua is doing what is written in the Holy Scriptures.

Below are overpowering evidence of how a fake disciple/pastor can be recognized from a genuine pastor ;

Joh 5:20 "For the true God loves the Son, and shows Him all miracles that He does: and He will show me greater miracles/WORKS than these, so that you may be amazed and believe." There we have it ! Believing is salvation. The miracles are evidence of Jesus and all true Pastors connection with God. This is the way no pastor can fake his/her way onto the pulpit.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor/disciple, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches.
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me.

Joh 17:18 What I was sent into the world to do, I also sent them into the world to do the same.

The wisdom of God is evident in this divine setup. He knew that evil people will use Jesus name for personal gain and perpetuate the suffering of innocent believers.
Christianity EtcRe: Alas! The Wall Of Religion Is Falling by ScienceWatch: 5:18pm On Dec 23, 2016
Anas09:
No, he didn't attempt it. He only mocked. Besides i didnt ask him, i asked you. Why shift it to him?

Lol. So the eternal redemption plan is frivolous?

Signs and wonders that cant get anyone saved is more important than redemption abi?

You have no single idea thata why you are jumping.everywhere trying to push the question to an atheist.

In your right senses, you expected an atheist to answer a question such as this?

Just harzard a guess lets see how you do.


If you don't, then mark my Moniker and do not mention me again into TBJoshua's matters. I am a disciple of Christ, not of Man.
Hi ANAS09, While I am trying to understand why you would insist on getting an answer to a question that can add no value to any aspect of your life. Meanwhile, I am disturbed by your narrow view of what it means to be a disciple of Christ. Is it because Jesus is working so mightily through a black man ? Or do you believe the conspiracy theories concerning him ?

ANAS09, You make the following statement: "I am a disciple of Christ, not of Man." It is ironic that you will at the same time, reject the man that Jesus is doing His greatest miracles and deliverance's through. Are you a true disciple/pastor ? Are you a FAKE pastor?

I have spoken to many disciples of Christ from a few different religions, including Muslims about the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and about the unrivaled supernatural powers of healing and deliverance and inspiring charity possessed by this man.
When these people were shown Biblical scriptures that show the method Jesus and His disciples/pastors used to bring about salvation, they readily agreed that the Holy Prophet TB Joshua is doing what is written in the Holy Scriptures.

Below are overpowering evidence of how a fake disciple/pastor can be recognized from a genuine pastor ;

Joh 5:20 "For the true God loves the Son, and shows Him all miracles that He does: and He will show me greater miracles/WORKS than these, so that you may be amazed and believe." There we have it ! Believing is salvation. The miracles are evidence of Jesus and all true Pastors connection with God. This is the way no pastor can fake his/her way onto the pulpit.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor/disciple, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches.
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me.

Joh 17:18 What I was sent into the world to do, I also sent them into the world to do the same.

The wisdom of God is evident in this divine setup. He knew that evil people will use Jesus name for personal gain and perpetuate the suffering of innocent believers.
Christianity EtcRe: Christians And Moslems Can Be Friends! by ScienceWatch: 4:29pm On Dec 23, 2016
Certainly, both religions titled above can be friends and more than Just friends.
I have Muslim friends that are closer than a brother.

We have been to each others churches and mosques and respect and admire the good, religion is doing in society.

It is well known that Muslims are better at excepting higher truths about Gods love if it can be demonstrated.
Many enlightened Muslims are freely going to the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria to get healing and deliverance etc because
they have seen the Love of God demonstrated and the Muslims beloved Nabiesa (Jesus) is honored.

Muslims are not fooled by FAKE pastors calling them to convert to Christianity.

Jesus did not come to convert Muslims/ Jews/ Hindus/ Buddist etc to Christianity.

The main reason why Muslims feel free to go to the the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria is not only for the reliable miraculous healing etc, but also because they are not ask to convert to Christianity. Jesus never asked a person to convert from their religion. He freely taught the Jews in their temples. He did ask them to believe that he is who the Jewish Torah claimed He is ;

He is the Messiah

He is "the Truth", "He is the Way", "He is the Life".
If we all make time to understand the deep truth about this, all religions will experience what is experienced in the holy Scoan Nigeria.
Christianity EtcRe: Christians And Moslems Can Be Friends! by ScienceWatch: 3:07pm On Dec 23, 2016
BlackMamba:
The problem for most people like me is the volatile nature of Islamic fundamentalists and the tacit endorsement of their actions by Islamic leaders. I can careless what anybody believes in, as long as you don't come for my head because I insulted your religious belief. This hyper-sensitivity that rears it's ugly head every now and then amongst Muslims is the true danger the world face today. No other religion will kill people over the kind of stuff that drive Muslims to commit murder, under the disguise of protecting the sanctity of their religion. Are other Gods not highly regarded as Allah, to make it's adherents kill at the slightest provocation? NO. It's called restraint and accommodation for other peoples views.
Islamic leaders has a lot of work to do to achieve lasting peace in the world.
Hi BLACKMAMBA, your statement "I cant careless what anybody believes in, as long as you don't come for my head because I insulted your religious belief."

You are ignorant of cause and effect. What do you think must happen to you when you insult his religious belief or his holy Prophet ?

Look at the cruel insults Christians have endured for two thousand years. See how this deeply loving and humble Jesus Christ is mocked by the world.

Is it any wonder why Islam came up with a solution to stop cowardly insults and punish foolishness.
Christianity EtcRe: 10 Tips For Talking About Jesus by ScienceWatch: 2:47pm On Dec 23, 2016
winner01:
Many christians have questions. Serious ones.
The link below has many of your questions answered in form of free and short e-books.

http://www.ucg.org/bible-study-tools/booklets

May God bless you.
Hi WINNER01, I hope you don't mind me adding something useful here.

The whole Bible in many ways point to Jesus Christ. The ancient Holy Gospels and Acts powerfully demonstrate the exclusive power of the mighty Jesus Christ. Until now famous atheists, fake pastors, governments, kings etc have managed to deceive the world in to believing that the miracles, signs, prophecy etc, are fairy tales and that the bible is full of contradictions.

Jesus Christ himself says that the miracles,signs, prophecy etc, must be done so that people will be amazed and glorify God. He also says that the exclusive miracles bear witness of Him and therefore it also bear witness of His "true" pastors/disciples/ministers.

Joh 10:37 If I don’t do the miracles/ WORKS of my Father, don’t believe me.

Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Joh 5:20 For the true God loves the Son, and shows Him all miracles that He does: and He will show me greater miracles/WORKS than these, so that you may be amazed and believe. Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. Joh 14:12

How awesome is this statement of Jesus ?
Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me.

Note : Go to SASASSIN'S post and see how he wish to confuse the relationship between Jesus and John.

Atheists foolishly think they have come up with new ways to attack Jesus's miracles. Two thousand years ago confused aesthetic Pharisees believed that Satan can do deliverance.
Mat 9:34 But the Pharisees said, He delivers out evil spirits through the prince of the devils.
Jesus said to them that Satan can not, will not work against himself. Therefore, deliverance comes from God !

Thanks to the truly blessed Scoan Church Nigeria, and their generous spiritual education channel, Emmanuel TV the whole world now have daily access to powerful never seen before evidence of the WORKS of the mighty Jesus Christ that can be easily scientifically verified so that according to Jesus, all will be amazed and then believe. Miracles aid believing.
Christianity EtcRe: Does God Answers Prayer? by ScienceWatch: 2:38pm On Dec 23, 2016
The whole Bible in many ways point to Jesus Christ. The ancient Holy Gospels and Acts powerfully demonstrate the exclusive power of the mighty Jesus Christ. Until now famous atheists, fake pastors, governments, kings etc have managed to deceive the world in to believing that the miracles, signs, prophecy etc, are fairy tales and that the bible is full of contradictions.

Jesus himself says that the miracles,signs, prophecy etc, must be done so that people will be amazed and glorify God. He also says that the exclusive miracles bear witness of Him and therefore it also bear witness of His "true" pastors/disciples/ministers.
Joh 10:37 If I don’t do the miracles/ WORKS of my Father, don’t believe me.
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.
Joh 5:20 For the true God loves the Son, and shows Him all miracles that He does: and He will show me greater miracles/WORKS than these, so that you may be amazed and believe. Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. Joh 14:12

How awesome is this statement of Jesus ?
Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me.

Note : Go to SASASSIN'S post and see how he wish to confuse the relationship between Jesus and John.

Atheists foolishly think they have come up with new ways to attack Jesus's miracles. Two thousand years ago confused aesthetic Pharisees believed that Satan can do deliverance.
Mat 9:34 But the Pharisees said, He delivers out evil spirits through the prince of the devils.
Jesus said to them that Satan can not, will not work against himself. Therefore, deliverance comes from God !

Thanks to the truly blessed Scoan Church Nigeria, and their generous spiritual education channel, Emmanuel TV the whole world now have daily access to powerful never seen before evidence of the WORKS of the mighty Jesus Christ that can be easily scientifically verified
so that according to Jesus, that all will be amazed and then believe. Miracles aid believing.
Christianity EtcRe: What Do You Believe About Jesus And Why Do You Believe In Him by ScienceWatch: 2:32pm On Dec 23, 2016
I can see that this is a very serious post - Re: What Do You Believe About Jesus And Why Do You Believe In Him.
Therefore, it require serious responses that can also help other readers here:

The whole Bible in many ways point to Jesus Christ. The ancient Holy Gospels and Acts powerfully demonstrate the exclusive power of the mighty Jesus Christ. Until now famous atheists, fake pastors, governments, kings etc have managed to deceive the world in to believing that the miracles, signs, prophecy etc, are fairy tales and that the bible is full of contradictions.

Jesus himself says that the miracles,signs, prophecy etc, must be done so that people will be amazed and glorify God. He also says that the exclusive miracles bear witness of Him and therefore it also bear witness of His "true" pastors/disciples/ministers.
Joh 10:37 If I don’t do the miracles/ WORKS of my Father, don’t believe me.
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.
Joh 5:20 For the true God loves the Son, and shows Him all miracles that He does: and He will show me greater miracles/WORKS than these, so that you may be amazed and believe. Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. Joh 14:12

How awesome is this statement of Jesus ?
Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me.

Note : Go to SASASSIN'S post and see how he wish to confuse the relationship between Jesus and John.

Atheists foolishly think they have come up with new ways to attack Jesus's miracles. Two thousand years ago confused aesthetic Pharisees believed that Satan can do deliverance.
Mat 9:34 But the Pharisees said, He delivers out evil spirits through the prince of the devils.
Jesus said to them that Satan can not, will not work against himself. Therefore, deliverance comes from God !

Thanks to the truly blessed Scoan Church Nigeria, and their generous spiritual education channel, Emmanuel TV the whole world now have daily access to powerful never seen before evidence of the WORKS of the mighty Jesus Christ that can be easily scientifically verified
so that according to Jesus, that all will be amazed and then believe. Miracles aid believing.
Christianity EtcRe: What Do You Believe About Jesus And Why Do You Believe In Him by ScienceWatch: 2:19pm On Dec 23, 2016
I can see that this is a very serious post - Re: What Do You Believe About Jesus And Why Do You Believe In Him.
Therefore, it require serious responses that can also help other readers here:

The whole Bible in many ways point to Jesus Christ. The ancient Holy Gospels and Acts powerfully demonstrate the exclusive power of the mighty Jesus Christ. Until now famous atheists, fake pastors, governments, kings etc have managed to deceive the world in to believing that the miracles, signs, prophecy etc, are fairy tales and that the bible is full of contradictions.

Jesus himself says that the miracles,signs, prophecy etc, must be done so that people will be amazed and glorify God. He also says that the exclusive miracles bear witness of Him and therefore it also bear witness of His pastors/disciples/ministers.
Joh 10:37 If I don’t do the miracles/ WORKS of my Father, don’t believe me.
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.
Joh 5:20 For the true God loves the Son, and shows Him all miracles that He does: and He will show me greater miracles/WORKS than these, so that you may be amazed and believe. Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. Joh 14:12

How awesome is this statement of Jesus ?
Joh 5:36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the miracles/ WORKS which the Father has given me to finish, the same miracles/ WORKS that I do, bear witness for me, that the Father hath sent me.

Note : Go to SASASSIN'S post and see how he wish to confuse the relationship between Jesus and John.

Atheists foolishly think they have come up with new ways to attack Jesus's miracles. Two thousand years ago confused aesthetic Pharisees believed that Satan can do deliverance.
Mat 9:34 But the Pharisees said, He delivers out evil spirits through the prince of the devils.
Jesus said to them that Satan can not, will not work against himself. Therefore, deliverance comes from God !
Christianity EtcRe: What Do You Believe About Jesus And Why Do You Believe In Him by ScienceWatch: 1:06pm On Dec 23, 2016
Sarassin:
Nice dissembling TB, but there's really no need to go that far abroad. In case it escaped you, I was referring to you and your organisation comprised of a staged miracle TV station, your self-serving justification of “works” as a means of subjugating your congregation through mental coercion, false indoctrination, extortionate charges for sundry items like well water and the use of sub-standard materials in clear violation of government building codes and illegal construction leading to the collapse of your building and the avoidable loss of uncountable lives for which you are presently seeking to avoid an indictment. What do you have to say about that?
It is a shame when a deluded person like SARASSIN falsely accuse a truly humble spirit of serious criminal activity.

Nairaland readers should carefully examine SARASSIN'S posts, you will find serious contradictions, deliberate falsity, mental coercion, false indoctrination, illegal biblical codes, fraudulent sentence construction, staged bible dissemination, sub-standard historical material etc.

Lol ! Is it not like the pot calling the kettle black ?

Sarassin: Well hello TB is that you in disguise? You took a wrong turn in addressing me today, you should have kept to your shameless plugging of the vile Emmanuel TV and the disaster zone you call a house of God, more importantly you ought to know I do not take lectures from those who feed on the misery of human souls, and you have the chutzpah to accuse me of contradictions? Didn’t your ineffable spirits reveal to you that I am male? Or is it just another case of you zigging when you should have zagged?

SCIENCEWATCH : Thanks anyway. Your severe emotional reaction helps us all to measure how far you are on your spiritual journey. What made me think you are female? I dont remember now. Oh, It could the the first part of SARA...SSIN. My apologies

You say you dont take lectures from anyone, but there are Profs, doctors, Theologians world-wide that spend a lot of money to travel from around the world to attend a lecture and get effective demonstrations of the true power of Jesus Christ from the holy prophet TB Joshua.

Would you happen to know why these highly educated people chose the Holy Prophet TB Joshua to lecture them ?

I await your soonest reply.

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