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Sarassin:
You have the biblical account of course, my point is that the biblical account is somewhat incomplete. I prefer actual historical accounts. Now, we know from the genuine Acta Pilati (311CE) and Comentarii of Tiberius that a warrant of arrest was issued for Jesus, there was a writ of indictment,(Libellus) detailing the charges, his description his full birth names (we know that the names Josephus gives us tallies with what Pilate recorded) and reward for his arrest, in addition there was the acta of preliminary enquiries (cognitio) as well as an iconismus (portrait) of the accused.

It is incorrect to state that Pilate was ignorant of the charge against Jesus, Jesus could never have been arrested without the warrant. In fact according to the records the Jewish authorities gave their information to the Roman Governor whilst Jesus was still at liberty, it was a singular act of self-preservation, clearly because Pilate would have held them responsible for Jesus’ declaration as the King of the Jews. The charge was sedition, brigandage and robbery (his followers were accused of being highwaymen at his instigation) they were crimes against the Roman empire.

"A hypocrite says one thing, but thinks another." - TB Joshua
The hidden motives of SARASSIN concerning Jesus Christ is becoming clearer. His statements about the life of Jesus and the bibical accounts of this Holy Messiah are loaded with sarcastic contradictions. After closer examination it becomes obvious that SARASSIN is using cheap psycho on unsuspecting Christians to get them to seriously doubt their awesome faith and move over to other ungodly belief systems.

SARASSIN himself revealed that he uses more than six different gods to cater for his ego.

SARRASSIN : "Pilate would have held them responsible for Jesus’ declaration as the King of the Jews"
SCIENCEWATCH : He falsely claims here that Jesus declared that He is the King of the Jews.

SARASSIN : You have the biblical account of course, my point is that the biblical account is somewhat incomplete. I prefer actual historical accounts.
SCIENCEWATCH : Here you see how he uses subtle language to confuse you - he is actually saying that the Holy Bible is a book of fairy tales.

There is nothing new about the sly method SARASSIN is using to destroy religions. Highly technical and confusing language was used for hundreds of years by famous atheists that all eventually became insane. Einstein, Charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Nietzsche, and Isaac Newton all suffered spiritual problem/insanity as a direct result of mocking the God of the Holy Bible.

SARASSIN proudly says that "I prefer actual historical accounts." - of events that took place thousands of years ago ? ? ? ?
SCIENCEWATCH : Can we take him serious ? Now, there are scientifically verifiable evidence of the WORKS of Jesus freely available to the world, thanks to Emmanuel TV, with thousand of personal testimonies that defy science and confirm all historic accounts of the mighty Jesus and the Book of Acts. If the bible was fake/fairy tale/tampered with/modified, then how is it possible two thousand years later to see abundant evidence that the core of the bible that all point to the mighty Jesus is true.

Sarassin:
You have the biblical account of course, my point is that the biblical account is somewhat incomplete. I prefer actual historical accounts. Now, we know from the genuine Acta Pilati (311CE) and Comentarii of Tiberius that a warrant of arrest was issued for Jesus, there was a writ of indictment,(Libellus) detailing the charges, his description his full birth names (we know that the names Josephus gives us tallies with what Pilate recorded) and reward for his arrest, in addition there was the acta of preliminary enquiries (cognitio) as well as an iconismus (portrait) of the accused.

It is incorrect to state that Pilate was ignorant of the charge against Jesus, Jesus could never have been arrested without the warrant. In fact according to the records the Jewish authorities gave their information to the Roman Governor whilst Jesus was still at liberty, it was a singular act of self-preservation, clearly because Pilate would have held them responsible for Jesus’ declaration as the King of the Jews. The charge was sedition, brigandage and robbery (his followers were accused of being highwaymen at his instigation) they were crimes against the Roman empire.

"A hypocrite says one thing, but thinks another." - TB Joshua
The hidden motives of SARASSIN concerning Jesus Christ is becoming clearer. His statements about the life of Jesus and the bibical accounts of this Holy Messiah are loaded with sarcastic contradictions. After closer examination it becomes obvious that SARASSIN is using cheap psycho on unsuspecting Christians to get them to seriously doubt their awesome faith and move over to other ungodly belief systems.

SARASSIN himself revealed that he uses more than six different gods to cater for his ego.

SARRASSIN : "Pilate would have held them responsible for Jesus’ declaration as the King of the Jews"
SCIENCEWATCH : He falsely claims here that Jesus declared that He is the King of the Jews.

SARASSIN : You have the biblical account of course, my point is that the biblical account is somewhat incomplete. I prefer actual historical accounts.
SCIENCEWATCH : Here you see how he uses subtle language to confuse you - he is actually saying that the Holy Bible is a book of fairy tales.

There is nothing new about the sly method SARASSIN is using to destroy religions. Highly technical and confusing language was used for hundreds of years by famous atheists that all eventually became insane. Einstein, Charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Nietzsche, and Isaac Newton all suffered spiritual problem/insanity as a direct result of mocking the God of the Holy Bible.

SARASSIN proudly says that "I prefer actual historical accounts." - of events that took place thousands of years ago ? ? ? ?
SCIENCEWATCH : Can we take him serious ?

Sarassin:
You raise valid objections to my post, first off I am well aware that Jesus did not climb off his cross, it was a figure of speech. You talk about substantial legal weight of personal testimonies, fine, but then which people are you actually referring to? which Gospel accounts give you a clear un-contrasting account of the resurrection? are there any historical documents that attest eyewitness statements? or do you consider unverified accounts by indeterminate Gospel authors as historical evidence. I accept your faith and belief but don't confuse that with evidence. My premise stands, I see no evidence that Jesus rose from the dead.

I apologize for missing your "figure of speech".

I dont wish to nit-pick on your excellent post so I will leave things as they are. It is impressive how you provide quality responses to very difficult questions. this is not an easy subject to debate fairly, but the unintended consequence of your post is that many poorly grounded people will find imaginary reasons to doubt the scientifically verifiable reality that Jesus is who he claimed to be and that evidence is made abundantly clear in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria for the whole world to see.

Jesus has once again survived a certain theoretical death simply because action speaks louder than words. Jesus was an action man that is why no amount of deceptive intellectual scrutiny can dent the fact that what was written in the Holy Gospels thousands of years ago is happening today daily in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria.

Those who are afraid to go and personally investigate the modern scientifically verifiable evidence now freely available that Jesus lives, that Jesus heals etc can cowardly stand on roof tops and shout ........ it is all fake ! It is all fake

Because of the Holy Scoan Church the world is having a dramatic awakening to the reality of the Holy Gospels and Acts regardless of of the fact that the bible arrived in our modern world tattered and torn.

Hi LoJ, I hope my comment will be seen in a positive light by you.

I saw Sarassins response to you inquiry about The Holy Prophet TB Joshua. But I marveled at how you were able to see beyond what highly learned people cant see about the Holy Prophet TB Joshua.

Sarassin's reply to you was :
With regards TB Joshua, I would just say that I am not a fan, his roots appear to be grounded elsewhere.

LoJ, If you are prepared to ignore what the highly learned have to say about the holy Prophet TB Joshua and go to the holy Scoan Church Nigeria, you will come back and teach them the deepest truths they only fleeting know.

Too much debating paralyze action. That is why the ones with the most theoretical knowledge can not enter into the spirit world of Light to solve real life problems. Meaning they can not do what the Holy Profit TB Joshua does freely for the benefit of the world.

LoJ, Go now ! You will be highly protected from the hidden dangers of certain mediations. I am waiting for your incredible story when you get back. The spirit world of Light is crippled by theoretical arguments.

Jesus commanded action for the realistic benefit of mankind. He commanded All Pastors/disciples to 'Go and heal, Go and deliver, Go and bless etc. Action ! Action !

For hundreds of years rot set in, now action is substituted with glorified motivational speeches.
The FAKE pastors must leave their sinful pulpits by the thousands.

Sarassin:
Hi there LoJ,

Thank you for your comments on the thread, I think you are right on the money when you state that that there's a difference between what Jesus actually said and what biblical authors claimed he said. I alluded as such when I made the remark that "gospel writers had a vested interest in portraying John as Elijah". You can count the authentic sayings of Jesus himself on the fingers of one hand.

With regards TB Joshua, I would just say that I am not a fan, his roots appear to be grounded elsewhere.

Hi LoJ, If you are prepared to ignore what the highly learned have to say about the holy Prophet TB Joshua and go to the holy Scoan Church Nigeria, you will come back and teach them the deepest truths they only fleeting know.

Too much debating paralyze action. That is why the ones with the most theoretical knowledge can not enter into the spirit world of Light to solve real life problems. Meaning they can not do what the Holy Profit TB Joshua does freely for the benefit of the world.

LoJ, Go now ! I am waiting for your incredible story when you get back. The spirit world of Light is crippled by theoretical arguments.

Jesus commanded action for the realistic benefit of mankind. He commanded All Pastors/disciples to 'Go and heal, Go and deliver, Go and bless etc. Action ! Action !

For hundreds of years rot set in, now action is substituted with glorified motivational speeches.
The FAKE pastors must leave their sinful pulpits by the thousands.

Sarassin:
If you wish to discuss my beliefs open another thread and ask your questions there.

Would that be necessary ?

I think I see your journey of discovery in this confusing world.
Where are our mentors ?

Most are FAKE pastors - meaning spiritual guides.

It is most dangerous to have a spiritual guide/pastor that only have an intellectual understanding of the "Supernatural".

The clearest evidence of a real spiritual guide/pastor is their ability to enter into the spirit dimension/kingdom of God. Then power flow and miracles happen.

The people that use dark spirits have more experience of supernatural power than Churches because of FAKE pastors.

Sarassin:
We can be certain that Jesus of Nazareth lived and died. We are also certain that early Jewish Christians, Greeks and Romans had far better information about the life and times of the man Jesus than we do at present, we are 100% percent that this information was largely suppressed and destroyed by later church authorities, but for the intrepid and the brave, the life of Jesus can be whispered through the ghosts of history.

It is clear that Jesus was tried for sedition and sentenced to death by crucifixion, we know this because the Roman’s although merciless were not careless, they recorded details of all capital trials, unfortunately the details of the trial records of Jesus did not make good reading for Christians, it talked about “Jesus’ gang, Brigandage, highway men and robbers”, it contained none of the present day fairy tales of Jesus bantering with Caesar “Are you the King of the Jews?” e.t.c, e.t.., The very idea of an accused speaking back at Caesar in first century Palestine is laughable. In fact the trial records reflected so badly on Christianity that Jewish Christian authorities would not even pick up a copy of the proceedings, and when it was finally made public in the 3rd century…..it was disowned.

There is no evidence beyond belief and faith that Jesus rose from the dead, imagine the reaction of the Roman authorities if a man they had just sentenced to death had the temerity to climb down from his crucifixion and walk around in broad daylight for at least 40 days.

The sermon on the mount is one of the few authentic sayings of Jesus, there are technical reasons for this that I would rather not go into here, but there are dozens others attributed to Jesus that he could never have uttered, for instance, the story about the “coin in the mouth of the fish”

I would not say that the Bible has been modified, that is to imply that there once existed a more “original “version and that was never the case. Christians know only what Christian authorities wish them to know.

None of this diminishes Jesus. Whether you refer to him as a deity or a God or a son of God is largely irrelevant. Jesus is in the pantheon of the greats and stands unique as the emanator of compassion to mankind. In truth, man looks in the mirror and creates his God in his own image, we create our own deities by constant adoration and once that adoration ceases, the gods cease to exist. One hundred years from now our descendants will deify and worship Mother Theresa. Deities are an emanation of the Supreme Divine being in a form knowable to humankind.

Hi SARASSIN, for the sake of the youth, it could strengthen your arguments if you consider the points below;

1) SARASSIN : The very idea of an accused speaking back at Caesar in first century Palestine is laughable. In fact the trial records reflected so badly on Christianity that Jewish Christian authorities would not even pick up a copy of the proceedings, and when it was finally made public in the 3rd century…..it was disowned.

SCIENCEWATCH : You have the wrong records. Jesus Christ never appeared for trial before emperor Julius Ceasar. It was Pontuis Pilate

2) SARASSIN : There is no evidence beyond belief and faith that Jesus rose from the dead, imagine the reaction of the Roman authorities if a man they had just sentenced to death had the temerity to climb down from his crucifixion and walk around in broad daylight for at least 40 days.

SCIENCEWATCH : Firstly, Jesus did not climb down from the crucifix. Secondly, in a modern court of law, eye witness testimony of an event carries substantial legal weight. Besides the personal testimonies of all these people, closely observe their actions after their encounter with the risen Christ.
You would do well to rather say. "for me personally, I have not found evidence that Jesus rose from the dead."

Sarassin:
The false doctrines, the extortion, the loss of lives, where is the shyness you refer to? With blessings like these who needs the devil? Your man is quick to take credit for spurious miracles and infantile self-fulfilling prophecies, but when the house collapses around his ears naturally it’s the fault of a flying saucer.

I know your man better than you ever will, I could regale you but I can't be bothered anymore, the thread has been derailed sufficiently.

Go and talk to your man, ask him about the guy who grew a plant from seedling to maturity in 12 hours....... 26 years ago.

No Problem, please regale me, I dont mind. learning is more important than pain.
It could certainly help a reasonable man to consider facts that he personally can not afford to gather. Lets do something constructive and put this thread back on its rails.

The holy Scoan Church has been thoroughly investigated by various independent bodies. I must squeeze this in here because i just changed to Emmanual TV now, Children are putting grown men to shame right now on Emmanuel TV now. check it.

Oh where were we ? investigations of the Holy Scoan Nigeria. Yes check this !

THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT MADE BY PROMINENT DUTCH THEOLOGIAN PROFESSOR WILLEM J. OUWENEEL ABOUT PROPHET T.B. JOSHUA AND THE SCOAN CHURCH, LAGOS, NIGERIA.
Professor Ouweneel holds doctorates in biology (Utrecht), philosophy (Amsterdam) and theology (Bloemfontein, RSA).
Professor Ouweneel is a theology and philosophy professor at several colleges and theological faculties. He is the author of over 100 books. He lives in the Netherlands, where he was born.

WHAT A THEOLOGY PROFFESSOR SAID ABOUT TB JOSHUA.
Here is an extract from Professor Ouweneel’s experience at the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria ;
I come from a Brethren background and not a charismatic background. So naturally I was a bit reluctant to go to Nigeria, but my daughter went there several times and she gave me the message that T.B. Joshua was interested in seeing me, although she had not told him anything about me. So I went there twice, once for five days in March and once for ten days in June and I hope to go there again in October

Professor Ouweneel says, ”I was very much impressed by what I saw, heard and experienced there. Not so much only in seeing the miracles that happened and the sermons that were given, but particularly the spiritual experience in my own soul when I was there.

That is something that everyone who doesn't go there in person will miss.

You will not experience personally what it is to be at such a sacred place, where I felt the Lord's presence in a particular way and where He spoke to me on things that He had not spoken on to me previously in such a powerful way.

Professor Ouweneel goes on to explain, “Another thing that people will not experience if they don't go there is what kind of person T.B. Joshua is in himself. I had the opportunity of several in depth conversations with him.

People who don't go there will also not notice the spiritual atmosphere of the meetings and the godly impact that he has on people who are there. I was there with a Dutch group and I spoke with the other guests who were there, all of whom were very touched.

otemanuduno:
The are the anointed men of THIEVES

Maybe !

Sarassin:
Nice dissembling TB, but there's really no need to go that far abroad. In case it escaped you, I was referring to you and your organisation comprised of a staged miracle TV station, your self-serving justification of “works” as a means of subjugating your congregation through mental coercion, false indoctrination, extortionate charges for sundry items like well water and the use of sub-standard materials in clear violation of government building codes and illegal construction leading to the collapse of your building and the avoidable loss of uncountable lives for which you are presently seeking to avoid an indictment. What do you have to say about that?

Take it easy now ! Which god are you calling on now ? You say that you do call on the following Gods Jesus, Krishna, Ganesha or the Archangel Michael as you require. To help the youth decide on their next spiritual step toward the creator God, it should be in order to simplify this exchange.

1) SARASSIN: “Throughout the history of mankind we can glimpse the recurring actions of certain deities
If one looks close enough you will see those of Jesus too, in his many guises but most will not recognize him.”

SCIENCEWATCH : you say Jesus has many guises, are you able to identify them?
How come you can not recognize Jesus in the WORKS done by the holy Prophet TB Joshua, but thousands world wide can ?

2) SARASSIN: I firmly believe in Jesus of Nazareth, as a mystic one is taught to experience a deity, and I can assure you that no religion has a monopoly of any deity or God,

SCIENCEWATCH : How is it working for you ? I mean you claim to firmly believe in Jesus, but you also call on Krishna, Ganesha or the Archangel for your different needs. Sirely you must have the same attitude toward your wife/girlfriend/boyfriend.

3) SARASSIN : In the bible what is truly known about the man Jesus would not fill one chapter in the NT,

SCIENCEWATCH: How many pages would make a chapter to your reckoning ?

4) SARASSIN : I can assure you that no religion has a monopoly of any deity or God, the religion is only “A” channel to the deity nothing more and that channel can be dispensed with altogether.

SCIENCEWATCH : this is interesting. How do you determine when to dispense of Krishna, Jesus, Ganesha or the Archangel.

5) SARASSIN : if you ever require divine compassion in your life then Jesus is the one,he is unique but nothing in the Christian texts prepares you to really encounter him meaningfully.

SCIENCEWATCH : Your problem is not in the Holy Biblical texts, but rather , you have never met a TRUE pastor that can demonstrate a real encounter with Christ.
The world is full of FAKE pastors that are not recognized in the spiritual world of Light. They are glorified motivational speakers with no spiritual authority from the LIGHT.

Sarassin:
Nice dissembling TB, but there's really no need to go that far abroad. In case it escaped you, I was referring to you and your organisation comprised of a staged miracle TV station, your self-serving justification of “works” as a means of subjugating your congregation through mental coercion, false indoctrination, extortionate charges for sundry items like well water and the use of sub-standard materials in clear violation of government building codes and illegal construction leading to the collapse of your building and the avoidable loss of uncountable lives for which you are presently seeking to avoid an indictment. What do you have to say about that?

Wow! you are determined to follow the atheistic path and destroy what clearly is a giant blessing to the world.

Thousands of personal testimony cant move you to at least go and do an undercover investigation yourself, instead of shyly using other peoples uninformed opinions.

What are the hidden motives that drive you to blame a pastor for an engineering/construction problem in a building he is using to do his work ? Can a reasonable person blame a pastor for any weakness in construction material ?

Sarassin:
You are very welcome sir. Your calibration of my spiritual progress is not required but thanks anyway. Perhaps you did not read my words clearly, I stated that “I do not take lectures from those who feed on the misery of human souls”.

A lot of highly educated people perished with the Rev Jim Jones in the forests of Guyana in 1978, obviously charlatanry is alive and kicking even today.

I suggest you leave well alone and go back to doing what you do best.

I agree with you whole heartedly ! There are too many powerful people that feed on the misery of human suffering. here are a few examples that emphasize your point;

The insane men below who founded atheism also have the greatest influence on Psychology and Psychiatry, Charles Darwin, Sigmund Freud, Thomas Henry Huxley and Nietzsche, Issac Newton, Albert Einstein. Socrates believed that mental illness was heaven-sent and not shameful in the least. He believed it to be a blessing, and therefore no treatment was required. He was wrong ! They were all wrong!

ISAAC NEWTON –an atheist. One of the greatest scientists of all time is also the hardest genius to diagnose, but historians agree he had a lot of psychological problems. Newton suffered from huge ups and downs in his moods, indicating bipolar disorder, combined with psychotic tendencies. His inability to connect with people could place him on the autism spectrum. He also had a tendency to write letters filled with mad delusions, which some medical historians feel strongly indicates schizophrenia. Whether he suffered from one or a combination of these serious illnesses

Charles Darwin – The master of faking evolution theories for personal status. He lived the greatest portion of his life in deep mental depression, there is a history of mental illness in his family. He believed his dad had the power of prediction; He had an endless catalogue of psychosomatic illnesses and lived as a semi invalid barely past thirty.

Sigmund Freud – During his insanity, He believed women wanted sex with their fathers and womens stories of rape and molestation were fantasies. Instead of victims these women were the villains.( shocking)

Sigmund Freud was the founding father of psychoanalysis, a method for treating a mental illness and also a theory which explains human behaviour. Freud believed a female is a failed boy.
He was obsessed with having sex his mother and had rivalry with his dad. The desire to have sex with his mother and kill his father haunted his dreams. He believed women wanted sex with there fathers and stories of rape and molestation were fantasies. Instead of victims these women were villains.

Fredrick Nietzsche His writings have increased - not reduced - human despair, suffering and dissatisfaction. Millions have perished in agony in ugly and inhuman concentration camps.
In the second half of his life he suffered from psychiatric mental illness with depression and a definite psychological pattern of insanity is evident.

Josef Stalin an atheist eventually suffered agonizing mental diseases for thirty years, until his death in 1953, Josef Stalin was the mass-murdering atheist dictator of Soviet Russia.

He was also a fool.
Muggeridge had collaborated with Svetlana Stalin, Josef Stalin’s daughter, on a BBC documentary about her God-hating father. She recounted his last insane act of defiant rebellion against the Creator: “As Stalin lay dying, going insane, plagued with terrifying hallucinations, he suddenly sat halfway up in bed, clenched his fist toward the heavens once more, fell back upon his pillow, and was dead.”

“His one last gesture,” observed Zacharias, “was a clenched fist toward God, his heart as cold and hard as steel.”

Here we see why it is folly to mock God.

jonbellion:
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It's like both of them have a sexual relationship or something

What a terrible thing to say JONBELLING, about a truly anointed man. How can any reasonable person say that the Holy Prophet TB Joshua is GAY ?

Without being offensive to Gay rights, spiritual law has its own laws. All authentic religions in the world are in agreement that Gays cant enter the spirit world of Light. Therefore Gays,atheists or Fake pastors can not exercise the mind-blowing spiritual power demonstrated daily in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria.

It could just be a slip of your tongue, JONBELLING, or are you regularly in the company of men that have sex with men ?

Sarassin:
Well hello TB is that you in disguise? You took a wrong turn in addressing me today, you should have kept to your shameless plugging of the vile Emmanuel TV and the disaster zone you call a house of God, more importantly you ought to know I do not take lectures from those who feed on the misery of human souls, and you have the chutzpah to accuse me of contradictions? Didn’t your ineffable spirits reveal to you that I am male? Or is it just another case of you zigging when you should have zagged?

Thanks anyway. Your severe emotional reaction helps us all to measure how far you are on your spiritual journey. What made me think you are female? I dont remember now. Oh, It could the the first part of SARA...SSIN. My apologies

You say you dont take lectures from anyone, but there are Profs, doctors, Theologians world-wide that spend a lot of money to travel from around the world to attend a lecture and get effective demonstrations of the true power of Jesus Christ from the holy prophet TB Joshua.

Would you happen to know why these highly educated people chose the Holy Prophet TB Joshua to lecture them ?

Anas09:
You have not answered my question and you want to ask me yours?

Are you forgetting i quoted Hebrews 6:1-3 ?

6:1-3 has nothing to do with the question. I didnt ask you to explain Hebrews. I need your own imput not another persons.

Pls answer my question.

A guy called AKINTOM sent you this answer ;
Why it took the Jewish Idol so long? Here's the answer :

The nazarene through philosophy and psychology, found the similitude of Grecian myths and legend in the Torah, and he took advantage of it, to form extremist faction of Judaism - Judeo-Christian religion.

It takes a different mental slant, to become a terrorist, religious freak, psychopath, sociopath or pervert.Respectfully reply, while I deal with more real problems that move us toward the truth about the master. I hate bling bling ! You dont know why you want an answer to a very frivolous question ?

MizMyColi:
Okay. Thank you.

Take care MIZMYCOLI, for hundreds of years powerful atheists have joined together to destroy all evidence of the eternal power that Jesus left firstly for our earthly benefit then for our entry into His/Gods kingdom.

The terrible confusion we all experience about the true God and Jesus is compounded by thousands of FAKE pastors that can not do for their congregations what the bible say they must do.

Jesus says to all pastors, ministers and evangelists that humbly want spiritual enlightenment and power;
Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

Today, we are blessed to have the evidence of Jesus’ WORKS Biblically and scientifically verified in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and on Emmanuel TV.

A pastor, minister, evangelist will be know by their WORKS so that fake pastors can be separated from the real pastors. The wheat is separated from the chaff.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. John 14:12

What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?
They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same. Jesus says to them,”As my father sent me, so send I you.”

Now the world finally have a free spiritual education channel 24 hours a day, seven days a week on Emmanuel TV demonstrating true scientifically verifiable evidence and deeper meaning of John 14:12

MizMyColi:
Good morning.
This is the thread.
Let me get my questions ready

Hi Sarrasin, with so much contradicting statements about your respect for Jesus, you would have made a far greater impact by just saying you that you take from life, whatever is convenient for you.

The few people alive today that has gone deeper into a direct connection with Jesus, experience much more than compassion. They were given practical power to heal and deliver evil spirits from the suffering masses. SARRASIN proves that the spirits she contacts give her nothing for others, only for her selfish needs.

Here Jesus Christ explains who he is and why He came into the world.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the True God, but by me.

Joh 17:18 What I was sent into the world to do, I also sent them into the world to do the same.

Only the WORKS bear witness of a real pastor, not their elaborate speeches, conferences and motivational speeches. Joh 14:12 Truly, Truly, I say to you, He that believes me, the miracles/ WORKS that I do will you also do; and greater (more) miracles/WORKS than these shall you do; because I must soon go unto my Father.

LoJ:
Hello Mizmycoli,

First off, permit me to say I appreciate you and your writings. I believe you are already on a "higher path" and will surely find your way soon.

I think I am entitled to air an opinion, since I can relate to your experience. I was a former charismatic pastor, although quite young. I had to break free from religion to continue my quest for the divine. With the help of ethereal beings and great spiritual minds I was privileged to exchange with, (including Sarassin), I achieved some spiritual breakthrough and found my path. It is happening to you too, and quite soon.

Before you experience any piece of truth, you must first of all be free, internally, from fear and religious bondage. Truth requires objectiveness, because Truth, is sometimes ugly. Truth does not always suit our constructed universe, but only objective Truth sets one free. So the Truth we are looking for, is closer to us. It is actually inside of us, a part of us. If we just dare take, "the untaken road" in the words of Robert Frost.

Now Back to your question: Who is Jesus of Nazareth? Did he actually exist?

I vividly remember, when as a Young Pastor, an "angel" asked me, who I thought Jesus was, and what he was doing during his "unknown" years. I was troubled, because I had never given a thought on the topic, and wonder why would an ethereal being of Light and love ask me such a question. This was the beginning of a long journey that ultimately led me to a greater experience of the divine, although preceded by many disillusions/disappointments.

There is no doubt historical figures existed who correspond to the description of Jesus of Nazareth. The (false) story of the killing of babies under Herod makes no sense, unless it is an attempt to justify why a Man born and living in Nazareth would claim David's royalty. If it was an entirely fictitious character, the writers would have him born and live in Bethlehem directly. The attempt to twist historical facts in order to link a man from nazareth to Bethlehem, can only be made if at least there is/was actually a man in Nazareth who claimed some form of Messiahship.

Moreover, the idea of a Christ / "god" coming down on earth like a man and dying and resurrecting to save the world although ridiculous for any objective mind, is very recurrent in human history/mythology. It is my opinion that it translate some higher truth about the human psyche, a bigger picture that deserves attention. In other words, it tells more about us, men, than about god.

Obviously thec hristian Bible is not and can't be a faithful representation of Jesus' life and teaching, nor of anything. The main reason is that, the Bible is not a Book but a collection of Books, of diverse origins written with different purposes, and all compiled by men with specific motives. So the Bible represents, what those men wanted the people to believe in, and not necessarily, what "is".

All in all, all search for god stops when the quest for self begins. "Know thyself" said Socrates, "to thine own self be true" said Shakespeare,
"Ye are gods" said the psalmist.

Cheerful greetings.

beware ! This guy LOJ'S comments prove that he was never a true pastor anyway. A true pastor will never quote that the love of self is beginning of enlightenment, LOJ also quote atheists like Shakespeare and Socrates when the Bible, the Holy Gospels and Acts is true about the life of Jesus. Examine his confusing comments carefully and see who that angel was that spoke to him. It was a demonic spirit. This guy had illusions of being a pastor, but he was not recognized in heaven. The evidence is in his own statements.

Emmanuels TV is a saving grace today.

Chose one gospel or Acts to Read while watching. You will instantly realize that the Bible contains the true about Jesus.
If it were a Roman lie, how come the evidence in the holy Scoan proves otherwise.

Ranchhoddas:
I can totally relate to this. Christianity has succeeded in demonizing everything outside of it. I can't even read a different material without feeling like I'm doing something bad.

MIZMYCOLI, your statement that you must now get to know Jesus Christ on a deeper level proves something very profound.

You will make rapid progress if you avoid the crowd that play the blame game and the fancy word games. You must find answers that take you directly to the master.

Can one escape the vicious spiritual traps laid for millions of innocent people by fake pastors, atheists, competing religions, cruel governments and science ?
Emmanuel TV provide the most scientifically verifiable evidence of the highest spiritual TRUTH to the world 24 HRS A DAY. Now you too can escape into true light.

You do remember what Jesus said when the evil Jewish priests told him that what he is doing - all the healing and deliverance - is done by the power of Satan. This is what the holy Prophet TB Joshua of Scoan Nigeria is also accused of today.

Jesus said to these so-called holy men. “Satan can’t and will not work against himself."
What does this mean?

Even if a so-called respected but false pastor/Bishop/Prophet/Clergyman try to heal or do demon deliverance, it can’t and won’t work. Satan can’t and won’t work against himself.

Finally we all have loads of scientifically verifiable evidence coming out of Scoan Church Nigeria that proves the holy Gospels and the Holy Books of Acts to be accurate. Truth seekers are eternally grateful to a humble servant of the true GOD, Prophet TB Joshua.

Ranchhoddas:
Please do not quote me again with this your Holy SCOAN nonsense!!

have you already forgotten that this is a public platform. Everyone is welcome to comment on the post "Christians, dont be gullible!"

The Holy Scoan Church Nigeria has certainly made the worlds most effective dent into FAKE beliefs and phony atheistic doctrines.

It will also be very refreshing to enlightened Nairaland readers to know the following scientifically verifiable truths about the Holy Scoan Church;

The Holy Prophet TB Joshua is the greatest anointed Pastor today !
Finally we all have loads of scientifically verifiable evidence coming out of Scoan Church Nigeria that proves the holy Gospels and the Holy Books of Acts to be accurate.

Too many False Pastors/ Rabbis, etc teach their congregations that a demon possessed pastor can do demonic deliverance and miraculous healings. History shows how we all have been brain-washed for hundreds of years by science, governments, the Pentecostal churches, Roman Catholic Churches, Old and New Apostolic Churches and many more.

Now we have no more excuse for our dark ignorance of how the spirit realm on both the dark side and the light side operate in human life, thanks to Emmanuel TV.

It is frightening but informative to hear all the personal testimonies of people that have suffered because of stepping into the dark side.
Can one escape the vicious spiritual traps laid for millions of innocent people by fake pastors, competing religions, cruel governments and science ?
Emmanuel TV provide the most scientifically verifiable evidence of the highest spiritual TRUTH to the world 24 HRS A DAY. Now you too can escape into true light.

Lennycool:
Ignoramus
Hitler was a christian up until 1939. Then he converted to a form of deism. He hated atheist, also Germany was a christians majority nation.
Get your facts right

Horay to LENNYCOOL !

LENNYCOOL found evidence that the Holy Bible and God supports abortion.

He also found evidence that the Holy Bible supports athiesm, agnosticism, deism and humanism etc.

akintom:
Am very sure that the man in the synagogue, will be very proud of you.

By the way, what's this COD with akintom?

Pastors run churches as their own private business while TB Joshua don’t even own a bank account.

Prophet TB Joshua is today, father to the fatherless, mother to the motherless, friend to the friendless, always giving because Jesus said, “It is more blessed to give than to receive.

Sadly, the gap between the so-called religious accusers and the Holy Prophet TB Joshua is ever widening as many leading pastors in the world are becoming more embroiled in the pursuit of money and material gain than the essence of Christ’s gospel and work. Kingdom business seems more like worldly business, with pastors making headlines for expensive acquisitions, lavish living and political speeches as opposed to solving problems, meeting needs and changing lives.

Ilobi Austin, a catholic in faith, wrote, “While God is ordering the Holy Prophet (T.B. Joshua’s) counterparts to acquire more automobiles and in some cases, private jets with cost in the billion bracket, the same God is asking the Holy Prophet TB Joshua to love humanity like himself and consequently, improve their earthly and heavenly fortunes.

Prophet TB Joshua is today, father to the fatherless, mother to the motherless, friend to the friendless and government to the government-less. Little wonder then, that the good Lord magnanimously found him worthy for the arduous task of delivering his people from the vice grip of the devil. Such powers in the hands of such ministers, who have made the criticism of his ministries their pastime, would have seen deliverance going to the highest bidders.”

Investigations reveal that TB Joshua don’t even own a bank account. He simply gives away freely.

Ranchhoddas:
A controlled demolition with people inside? Who carried out this 'controlled or infrasonic demolition' please?

When you became aware of the many people that hate the WORKS of Jesus Christ as demonstrated by the mind blowing help given freely to the suffering masses including royality, presidents, doctors etc, every evil attempt is made to destroy the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria.

Today most churches are simply glorified motivational centres that offer nice sounding words and aggressive money collections without the Resurrection Power needed to save the suffering persons.
The abundance of live testimonies is breath-taking. The Holy Prophet TB Joshua says, “It is a sin for sick people to go into any church of JESUS CHRIST and go home the same.” It is written, “Jesus and His Pastors healed everyone.” Freely – No charge !

(What are these WORKS that Jesus always refer to ?
They are the miracles, prophecy, signs and wonders. Jesus also instructs all pastors, ministers, evangelists to do the same, He says to them,” As my father sent me, so send I you.” )


Jesus said, “Come to me, I will make your burdens light.” When the creation power of Jesus and the Holy Spirit is not seen in any church, the problem is with the Pastor.

The congregations Faith is always enough as consistently shown in the Holy Scoan Church Nigeria and in the holy gospels and the Books of Acts. Emmanuel TV is truly a gift from God to the whole world.

[quote author=otemanuduno post=52157797][/quote]True Christians world -wide are not fooled by this atheists weak attempt to harm the noble character of the Holy Prophet TB Joshua and his incredible congregation.

Warning ! Kwaku Bonsam and Freeze of cool FM's plan to destroy the Holy Scoan Nigeria failed again. Pentecostal PNF church leaders and websites, falso profeta and tbjoshuawatch are part of this satanic group. They are part of a spiritually sick satanic group that want see the continuation of the suffering of good people in Nigeria and the world.

Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor has even expelled any PentecostalFN members who attempt to get healing from The holy Prophet TB Joshua.. Pastor Ayo Oritsejafor makes his hatred for the Holy Prophet TB Joshua known clearly from the pulpit and in the pages of newspapers: He rants, “T.B. Joshua is not a Christian” he argues, "If T.B. Joshua can show me his pastor who pastored him before he said he was called into the ministry;
Pastor Ayo Oritsejaforif fumes indignantly, "If T.B. Joshua can tell me when he got converted and how he got converted, then the Pentecostals would consider him.”

No other pastor in history has ever been as thoroughly scrutinized as today’s internationally verified Prophet TB. Joshua.
History is full of examples of men being used by the Almighty without human mentorship. This awe inspiring event is not isolated to the instance of The Holy Prophet TB Joshua.

Anas09:
You didn't even attempt the question i asked.

Why did it take that long for God to fulfill the promise of giving the SEED OF THE WOMAN?

I deliberately put your question aside.

By the way I saw some confused person answer your question. Do that help ?

You came back with the same question, I am surprised. My comments and the precise scriptures Hebrew 6: 1 to 3 would have showed you how to avoid this mind and spirit deadening arguing/debating about principles and doctrines. We must not dig a hole for innocent young minds.

Jesus said, "I am the Truth, I am the Way, I am the life." When we contemplate/ponder on this we will not stumble in the darkness like the atheists.

Maybe I should ask you this question;
How will an answer to your question help you enter deeper into the spirit world of the light ?

or How will an answer help you ?

JackBizzle:
Atheist translation of pastors' requests


1) "Pay your tithes and your rewards shall be bountiful"
Atheist translation; "transfer your hard earned salary to fund your pastor's private jet and life of luxury"


2) "I cast the demon out of you!! Be healed in Jesus name"
Atheist translation; bros Akpos, act well ooo! Time don reach make you twist and turn as if demon dey comot your body"

Millions of people world wide are deeply grateful for Emmanuel TV because it protects them and informs them of the difference between awesome belief in God and dreadful atheism.

A person can only give to the world what they got. LACKBIZZLE is only giving to the world what he got.

What is it that LACKBIZZLE have to give the world ?

Deep Hatred

Childishness

zero compassion

destruction

strong loyal support for the destruction of Islam and Christianity

Loyal support for any regime that practice oppression

loyalty to science that force babies to eat dangerous GMO (genetically modified) foods

There is no doubt that atheist can be loyal !

solotutu:
When we have the scriptures as a lamp, bright to show us the way, many still prefer shortcut to problems.


A young man was directed to my church by his friend for counselling. The young man carried the bottle pictured below. He got it from a TB Joshua Revival ground. The Prophet said it would turn their lives around and each cost #50,000. He has used 8 bottles ever since and he's live didn't scent of any positive change ever since. From losing 11 jobs since 6 years ago, to fiancees turning out of getting wedded at last minute.

400,000 wasted on such a small bottle!!!


Lord Help us all!!


Now the scripture he's been carrying under his arm for years have opened his eyes to his mistakes.

Shame on SOLOTUTU, you are still a weak learner atheist. Be careful you are putting real atheist to shame. They will tear you apart !

About the Morning Water scam you want to do here: The wording and phrasing you use to pull off this fraud is that of a beginner.

You will have better luck in Nairalands game section.
See you there later !

The wording and phrasing you use to pull off this fraud is that of a beginner.

You will have better luck in Nairalands game section.
See you there later !

akintom:
Am very sure that the man in the synagogue, will be very proud of you.

By the way, what's this COD with akintom?

This time the COD favours you.

The holy man in the holy Synagogue for the childish games played here.
He is right now as we speak helping many people solve life problems that you and I cant even understand.

AKINTOM, you and your scientific god dont have 1% of the Holy Prophet TB Joshua's wisdom and power to help others.

a) Atheists laugh at the suffering of women and children.

b) Atheists target women and children for profit.

c) Because women and children are helped in real churches, hatred is stirred up in the cold hearts of atheists.

Why do they target women and children ? Cowards like a soft target.

Sigmund Freud an atheist was the founding father of psychoanalysis, a method for treating a mental illness and also a theory which explains human behaviour. Freud believed a female is a failed boy.

He was obsessed with having sex with his mother and rivalry with his dad. The desire to have sex with his mother and kill his father haunted his dreams.

He wrongly believed women wanted sex with there fathers and stories of rape and molestation were fantasies. Instead of victims these women were made to be villains by Freud..

JackBizzle:

I finally understand why Islam protects itself from Atheists like LACKBIZZLE with the chilling Islamic "Fatwa."

Lennycool:
Ignoramus
Hitler was a christian up until 1939. Then he converted to a form of deism. He hated atheist, also Germany was a christians majority nation.
Get your facts right

LOL !! you are so easily fooled !

You dont have the basic knowledge to tell a Fake christian from a true one.

If Adolf Hitler told you personally that he was a christian, but was planning to brutally kill millions of women and children,
you would answer him like this, " Heil, you are indeed a true christian."

Lennycool:
Ignoramus
Hitler was a christian up until 1939. Then he converted to a form of deism. He hated atheist, also Germany was a christians majority nation.
Get your facts right

You right when you claim that mentally insane Adolf Hitler worshipped a form of deism. It was called "atheisticdeism".

God will not be mocked !
The destructive end result was Hitlers own agonizing madness and the blood thirsty murder of millions of innocent women and children.

We do not mock the gods that LENNYCOOL dearly worship. We respectfully warn young readers of the dangers that can be scientifically verified by history and LENNYCOOL'S scientific gods.