₦airaland Forum

IronGalaxy:
Complete BS..Nigerians migrate because of desperation, not because they're somehow bestowed with this "industrousness" some nationalities don't posses..You cannot risk drowning in some ocean fleeing your country then claim is for "broadening your reach or horizons" I wasn't born yesterday Seppuku... its sheer desperation.. Nigerians celebrate leaving Nigeria like people who have just prison man, its telling..

Everybody grinds and hustles on a daily basis, its called life, its the same in Burundi, same in Somalia and its the same in the same South Africa where you accuse its populous of just "drinking beer in Shebeens and lying in the sun the whole day" where your countrymen regularly call its people "lazy".The 150 million left grinding and hustling over the there are doing it so they eventually have enough capital to also "japa" outta there, its a vicious circle.

I don't know where you heard me use the word "industrious". I said we are not lazy waiting for puppet governments in cohoots with white monopoly capital to do the right thing. We have been moving round the world since the 1930's and will ontinue take advantage of this global capitalist system and operate beyond borders. It's the same reason the indian migrants obtains a H1B visa or the mexican jumps the border or the South African nurse who runs to the UK for work.

Welcome to globalization. There is no going back now. The century of "nation states" as you know them are quietly fading away. Good luck on getting your country back to they way it was during apartheid when you were in isolation I know you guys just got your country and have not had time to settle in and enjoy it.

Shame.

IronGalaxy:
Whether your beloved whites left the city in 90s or the 2000s.. has nothing to do with the fact that the city center was clean when I was frequenting it.. the key word here is "I", me" these are my experiences and you can't deny them, this is a time where us black South Africans had ownership of those streets and they were clean. Our Aunts and Uncles used to go to clubs in areas like Hillbrow and Berea ,those areas are now called "little Lagos" little Kinshasa, Little what or what not, etc.. these are now filthy areas resembling your cities. Its just the truth Seppuku, and I know you don't like the truth or any form of accountability, to you this "hate" or xenophobia,". People from failed states will drag other countries to their level and SA is unfortunately flooded by such.. some people practice open defecation in their respective countries, so what hope does our country have?

so the "issue" now is the new residents are not keeping the areas up as clean as you used to. Why would that bother you at this point? You don't traverse there anymore or you are nostalgic about reclaiming your "spaces".

The whites occupy camps bay all the same albeit they are on the other end of the wealth spectrumand keep the areas clean but systematically exclude your kind, no toyi toyi's for them, why so reluctant to reclaim those South African spaces as well?

You didn't watch the video where you apologist compatriot was demolished did you. The gig is up, You people are not fooling anyone. Stop defending xenophobia. People can see through these excuses.

IronGalaxy:
Point1. Lived experiences are "lived experiences " for a reason.. you can't say they dont say anything because they say what you don't want to hear ..this is classic gaslighting. when people complain of drugs flooding their communities, and they point out the sources of that.. those are the things that are directly affecting them, listen instead of dismissing because it doesn't serve your agenda

I don't see Dudula or March on March raiding any drug dens, gathering intel, apprehending a drug lords etc though instead we see them toyi toying, closing shops down and harassing people for making a daily living in your country legal or illegal.

IronGalaxy:
Point2. The "what about white people" deflection is also played out .. and it shows your glaring lack of understanding of South African spatial realities. Why would a person from a small mining town of Burgersfort or Rustenburg terrorized by Mozambicans and Zimbabwean illegal miners rush to Clifton, Cape Town to confront Germans pricing people out of properties when the immediate threat to that person is loss of life?

Because both situations significantly affect you in different ways and it is clear that you are channeling your energy at that which you deem weaker. Those are acts of cowards not people who have had enough.

IronGalaxy:
Shut up.. the issue here was that Nigerians supposedly migrate to other countries because they arent "lazy", which is not true. Stop inserting the word "xenophobia" on every topic on Nairaland, its not only annoying, it's intellectually lazy.

But it is a fact Nigerians migrate out of their country because they are not "lazy. They choose to broaden their reach within the global capitalist system rather than sit in the shebeens after pay day shrinking local beer.

The other point is that are over 150 million of them still left in Nigerian hustling and grinding on a daily basis.

haven't you heard about the city boy movement and Obi Cubana?

Shame!

RandDigital:
😂💩 Seppuku

The one and only. I will die on the sword of truth with HONOR!

IronGalaxy:
You migrate en masse because Nigeria is a shthole. Thats all there is to it.. Now take a hike

but what has this got to do with your Xenophobic tendencies though?

IronGalaxy:
Yes, they will "tell you" that because those are "their" lived experiences.. and you can't deny that from them because you have no way of knowing what an ordinary South African experiences day to day. The issues are not even crime only, its a myriad of issues, ill make you another example...

When I was growing up, we used to stroll around many areas in the JHB city center, these areas were clean, well maintained..etc today though those same areas are filthy and overcrowded you hardly find South Africans anymore.. you hear all sorts of languages from Lingala, Chichewa, Shona, Igbo, Banguli,etc..not your own.. your own local flavor is no more, your city no longer recognizable.. like it or not this will create feelings of resentment... its natural..

These are results of too much immigration, you cannot import people from different "failed states" into one place, an expect that place to remain the same..

The Whites left the city center by the 90's citing the same reasons you are enumerating.
They left it for you guys and the place became dilapidated, crime ridden, buildings abandoned, unproductive and property values significantly reduced.
When you saw the whites running up north, your BEE buddies followed suite right behind them leaving those same downtown areas.
In come the migrants flocking to cheap areas to find accommodation/make a living and viola you have a large set of people hurdled in one area for safety which is why 50% of migrants reside in Gauteng and predominantly in those CBD's

Is this any different from Somali or Ethiopia town in Kenya

Just admit you people are just a bunch of hateful Africans looking for excuses.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ns2gT-ACO0

IronGalaxy:
Before rushing to gaslight me or dispute what im saying..these are my own experiences and observations.. and im not alone in this

Point 1. Your lived experiences are anecdotal and do not say anything about anything. Case in point, just because 3 members of your family die of HIV does not give me any heads up on the statistical data HIV positive people in South Africa.

Point 2. Take that "patriotic" energy you people have and head to cape town where a large contingent of Germans are pricing you out of your inheritance in the cape.

for the rest of anyone else who wants to know more, please watch the attached video below it will reiterate what I have been saying for an uncountable number of years on nairaland. I am glad I am not the only one who sees through your peoples B.S


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV-VZ2S77fw&t=3092s

TEYA:
over 90% of crimes committed in south Africa are committed by south Africans.There are many Nigerians working legitimately in SA, if you weren't a dolt, you'd have known that!

Every right-thinking person knows this to be true but they will tell you that the additional crime from foreigners is what has broken the camels back.

Eish Irongalaxy.

Dem don ban you again.

Not nice to be dudula'ed eh!

ElSudani:
Clearly, you did not watch the video. This is exactly the problem with south Africans. You can never go by half information. You have a long way to go my brother.

Cognitive dissonance. When you show them the evidence, they will still not acknowledge it.

IronGalaxy:
That where you are wrong, the fight for justice was also full on anger and hate

We hate those that take us for granted

Hate will get you nowhere and Justice is not revenge, its balance.

PS. What are you guys gonna do now, your government just approved Lesotho nationals entering your country without passports that means more Zama Zama's

Eish!

IronGalaxy:
Thats how anger and being fed up works unfortunately Seppuku..

Ill keep telling you what my people are angry about since you wanna give yourselves reasons that are palatable to you..

No matter how you insults us, we are tired of you and we what you gone

Unfortunately, you will continue to loose this fight because unlike your fight for Justice during apartheid, this one is full of hate and misguided anger.

Xenophobia since 2008 and you are still here.

IronGalaxy:
What kind of point is this...?
Im saying when crimes target South Africans in the hand of foreigners, there is no noise

But wait until eventually respond.. this proves your selective outrage

Simple and straightforward point..

Yes, because all 3 million those "illegal immigrants" who's shops you are closing and whom you are harassing are heavily involved in those crimes against your people.

Keep fooling yourself and justifying 1976 childish toyi toyi behavior. This is 2026.

REDshouse:
when foreign investors leave local investors feel relieved and fill up the void .... That's what happens here in Nigeria ....not in other African countries but here in Nigeria we fill the void .. mention any foreign companies that don't have local competitors. ....

He doesn't know that if MTN leaves today, Glo will be jumping up and down.

IronGalaxy:
Yes, it is precisely gaslighting Seppukuno matter how yoy spin it. a Zimbabwean can kill ten South Africans and you won't hear one voice but let a South African press one migrant against a wall an everyone suddenly has a "think-piece" .. its hypocrisy and selective outrage.. I never hear anyone condemning your Zama zamas, drug traffickers, infrastructure vandalized, scamers etc...you wait for our responses to point fingers.. you are hypocrites

Yes the entire world is just so clueless as to "CRIMES" that are committed in South Africa and are coming for you all because we love "gaslighting you".

Grow up Mfethu.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSE-0ms_LtQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=neFE4lGYi9o&t=712s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Myvu8KyZViM

ElSudani:
Yes, South Africa is 80% black with 20% of the land and even a lesser percentage of the economy.
This is sad, I feel like apartheid has not ended. This actually is at the root of your anger towards other Africans.
But you are fighting the wrong enemy.

Spot on. Spot on but tell them the truth, they will tell you it is gas lighting. Everyone is watching shamelessly at the way they are handling this situation and it is sad to say that people who have been isolated for a long period of time and handed down a democratic dispensation are mocking it up at every turn.

South Africa was to be the shinning example for the continent. A terrible disappointment.

ElSudani:
You have far more to fix in South Africa. I actually sympathize with your situation. I understand that those machete wielding folks cannot understand as a result of their poor education.
The few like you who should know are not any better. It's a shame.

Don't vex with them too much my friend. They have pent up frustration and anger since Apartheid ended and seeing that their conditions have worsened vis a vis the neo capitalist system and no war ever took place to change this condition, they channel that energy on the least vulnerable in their society, "black African foreigners". but the world is watching and in the end ,they will have no allies when the heat comes down on them.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EruQ2RcdYEg&t=301s

Flangelo12:
I used to try to understand the issue.

However, I've come to the conclusion that they are just intolerant people and should be left alone.

Other Africans should leave SA for the South Africans.

Ensure you get their businesses out of your countries.

There's absolutely nothing they provide that is crucial for other African countries.

Spot on. Ban all their businesses and ban all their people from every other African country.

meedoLock:
It's a Shame! See how they ganged up on the poor man, this is an harassment, for non-state actors to emerge from nowhere and start intimidating immigrants in their countries.

I would understand this if it were to be done by SA law enforcement agents.

They misintepret the phrase in their consititution that states "the people shall govern". They don't understand that it is through "representation" so the people feel they can take laws into their hands.

They are simply seeking attention from their government when the election cycle comes around and need a gimmick and Xenphobic attacks is the usual go to.

RandDigital:
SA healthcare facilities are free for citizens and undocumented immigrants don't qualify. So if you can't show proof you're legal Dudula has taken it upon themselves to turn you away - it's tax payers money. If I come to Nigeria I have to pay for everything as a foreigner - true or false?

Stop lieing to the people Randdigital. Dudula is chasing out ALL foreigners. Legal or Illegal.

RandDigital:
At this point he is until his appeal is successful.

And he is free for now and appeal has been predicted to take a couple of years.

Julius is only 45 years old and even if the convictions are upheld, they will likely be reduced and he will end up serving maximum 2 years after he has served the next 5 years in parliament.

We all know this is a feeble attempt by AfriForum to silence his voice and weaken the EFF's political structure.

RandDigital:
Just see how you talk. This is the same guy fighting for your rights in SA. No wonder most South Africans are happy he's going to jail.

He's not going to jail, stop deceiving people.

Azazyel:
Last kiss before she starts collecting gbola everywhere. The place go red before maluu come back

Who get tushka to touch the CIC wife.

Azazyel:
I don't care to know. He should enjoy prison and that's it. I detest him and his kind

With a name like Azazel I doubt you would like the truth being spoken out loud by anybody.

KLEINBASS:
Because you want him to fight for illegal foreigners particularly from a certain country that roams around the globe like parasites not following the laws of the country .

The party has explained the EFF's 's open border policy in their manifesto. Only propagandists refuse to read and would rather spread lies because of xenophobic tendencies.

Azazyel:
Good one! The sentencing came at the right time. Malema fans would continue to wail

See person wey no know SA politics dey talk.

AfDapone:
He fired a rifle one time, not to threaten or kill anybody o and he going to jail for 5 years. whereas in this zoo somebody is not only pardoning terrorists, who have killed soldiers and countless victims, but integrating them into the society. Meaning they would still pay them on top.

Make you no compare Naija even with Zimbabwe sef?

JaceBlaze:
Agreed

The CIC is going nowhere and you know it.

IronGalaxy:
Good riddance

Stop it, you know the CIC is not going anywhere anytime soon. They can't slow a man like that down.

KLEINBASS:
He won’t go back to parliament for 10 years, if you have criminal record you have to wait for five years after your sentence to go to parliament

He will fight the case for the next 5 years so he will be in parliament, don't worry.

adamkkk:
South Africa will have sanity in their parliament for 5yrs straight now

Calm down. Julius is not going anywhere.

DEm don ban you again Jaceblaze.

SMH

JaceBlaze:
Wa bhora and ke stlaela sa mafello.

Ke kopa o kgona go bolela Seesimane?