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Quite right!! And the more I read, digest and contemplate the scriptures, GOD is opening my (inner) sight and revealing things pertaining to the true Israelites. I honestly think that the majority of "Jews" today are in name only and certainly those occupying the holy land are just space savers. GOD is allowing them to occupy the holy land so that ancient enemies of Israel do not overtake it. It is still GOD's holy land, though Israel was kicked out of it and dispersed among the nations of the world for breaking the covenant of Sinai and for disregarding the law of Moses.

If you want to know who the original Hebrews are still of today, or remnants thereof, look no further than the nation of Ethiopia. Ethiopia (Cush) was mentioned right from early chapters of Genesis in the beginning of creation. Nimrod, the first & greatest warrior king who ever lived was Cush of the descendants of Ham (modern dark skin people) and the birth and cradle of human civilization.

The original Hebrews were most certainly dark skin. I mean how could you have wandered a hot wilderness sun for 40 years and survived with pale skin as we see today amongst the so-called Jews of today. Have you witnessed the hot Jerusalem sun? However, with time and inter-marriages, the skin colour became olive, and then fairer and fairer.

Today, even those with 1% of "Jewish" blood earns them an ethnic title of "Jewish". LOL. The original Israel is still lost and dispersed abroad, but GOD promises to assemble them back towards the end of ages. At present, there are at least 144,000 of them who will be alive and counted per each tribe.

I come across several passages of the bible that make me think, "huh, this sounds very familiar to some African culture, issues, events". From my own father's account of our traditions, many are very similar to ancient Hebrews (not "Jewish" for a Jews is only of clan of Judah and some Levites and some Benjaminite). When you read all the curses outlined in Deuteronomy for breaking covenant of GOD, and you look at what much of Africa is suffering of today, it makes you wonder? You do the math.

There is a great cover-up of history of true Israelites. Western countries would like you to think they are the "blessed" heritages of the forefathers. LIES! According to bible, Israel was blessed, but received curses after they broke faith with the covenant of blessings.

Today, who or what nations or what peoples are in a state that is comparable to a state of perpetual curse?

You clearly lack comprehension. Are you awake? Go get some coffee then return and reread my posts.

I said outdated not updated.
I am referring to accuracy not modern language.

You clearly have issues with KJV. I am not here for that. That’s on you.

Maynman:
Yawn, neither am i too.
The most accurate translation is different from the one with modern English.
Because kjv contains updated English doesn’t make it accurate.

And NIV has more modern English in it than kjv.

“Sigh”. Look, I am not here to argue KJV and your conspiracies.

Because, KJV is the most commonly known and accessible to most people of TODAY. And in today’s ENGLISH.

Look up Geneva and you will see its English is OUTDATED.

In fact most people don’t use KJV because it’s considered outdated English.

Maynman:
What language was the story written in?

If there are others that precedes KJV, how is kjv then the most accurate translation?

The point is KJV is riddled with errors and it was created for a political reason.

Did you actually read my post to understand? Or just to respond?

First, The bible is telling a story. Second, i said “story” as an analogy to translational accuracy.

Did i not say, Geneva precedes KJV?. Actually, there were other English translations that preceded Geneva.

I really don’t care if KJV used Jehovah or not. Not really the point and frankly irrelevant to this topic.

Maynman:
King James Version which came after the geneva version is just an English translation that was created by tyndale, a Jehovah witness. It’s only the text that included “jehovah”.

Kjv is just a English translation, it’s not telling any story. KJv is a politically motivated text.
Let’s go to do the real hebrew books and see how accurate kjv is.
First off, in the translation of Exodus 20:13 as ‘Thou shalt not kill.’

Any scholar of the Torah will tell you that the verb in the original, ratsah, means ‘murder’.

Maynman:
How is king james VERSION the most accurate translation?

Its one of the earliest translations. It is the closest if you will to the original meaning of the Hebrew text.

Like telling a story. If you want to hear the most original story in its original words/meanings, find the earliest person who heard and told the the story. The 7th person is more accurate than the 17th person who “passed” on the story.


Google any Bible scripture and compare the various translations and you will see that many of them deviate or convey different meanings.

When you get to such issues of varying meanings, it’s best to compare to KJV or even earliest translations such as Geneva bible.

Au contraire, this wreaks of your lack of imagination and unintelligence. Undoubtedly, you are deluded to think you sound “smart”.

The writer of this scripture is far more intelligent than you to have written something from “divine” inspiration and superb memory.

I bet you cant recall what happened to you last night even if you were given a script to jog you.

….”professing to be wise, become fools in their darkened minds….therefore GOD gives them over to their own wicked delusions” Apostle Paul in the book of Romans.


You will still give an account to the ONE who inspired these books despite your flexing of artificial intelligence.

Arrogant fools.

LordReed:
This is the thing with stories, they reflect the limitations of the tellers imagination and knowledge. This passage certainly doesn't reflect the knowledge or wit of an all knowing god but of a storyteller with poor observational skills.

Your writing reflects your lack of critical thinking skills and comprehension. Or perhaps, rather, your dark spiritual elements.

Simple answer:

1. poor Hebrew to English transliteration. 2. Functionally, only 4 legs are used for walking, the 2 hind ones are for special movements. Then, the Bible was specific in that regards. Lev 11 Vs 21 recognises that the 2 hind “jointed” legs are part of “legs” just not considered for walking.

3. Poor choice of english word description for creepy crawly things. KJV (the most accurate transliteration) says “creepy or crawly things. Also “winged creatures that go on all four”. 4. Also, “walk” does not imply actual walk like in land creatures but a symbol that insects do “move about”.

Long answer:

Original language matters. Original language was Hebrew. Hebrew is a very complicated language that has many levels like an onion.

As such, most hebrew words do NOT have an exact English equivalent or transliteration. Therefore, the most basic or closer English word is used in cases to describe Hebrew word.

I suspect you already know this somehow. Or maybe you really are impaired in deep critical thinking.

BTW: I am a doctor, quite aware of area of zoology et al. There are creepy crawly creatures that “walk”. Also, only 4 legs are functional for movements. Use google.

AntiChristian:
Leviticus 11:20-23.
20 “‘All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be regarded as unclean by you. 21 There are, however, some flying insects that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. 22 Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper. 23 But all other flying insects that have four legs you are to regard as unclean.

If you so use the scriptures by twisting to support your so called assertions:

WHY not look up for ones where the Yeshua and Apostles "cursed" wickedness.

Does the word "woes" mean "blessed"? Because Yeshua used it severally.

How about, broods of viper? Accursed children? Withered trees, dead and no fruit? Waterless couds? Spots of feasts?

Or when the Peter or is it Paul said, "may your gifts perish with you......".

Didn't Moses give out curses to the children of Israel for disobeying the commands?

Oh yea....look it up. It's all there.

To LOVE does not mean stay pacified and take it all. Afterall, the kingdom of GOD suffers violence and the violent take it by force.

GOD is protecting me by making your curses on me none effect. See, I'm under HIS protection unlike you.

AntiChristian:
YHVH created everything whether good or evil! Your curse be upon you and you alone!

I only quote your Bible and you started cursing?

I thought Jesus said love your enemies..? Turn the left cheek...?
You can't even let YHVH fight for you!

Exodus 14:14
The LORD will fight for you, and you have only to be silent.”

2 Chronicles 20:17
You will not need to fight in this battle. Stand firm, hold your position, and see the salvation of the LORD on your behalf, O Judah and Jerusalem.’ Do not be afraid and do not be dismayed. Tomorrow go out against them, and the LORD will be with you.”

Na curse like Elisha and the 42 kids you dey use even when I didn't call you "baldhead".

Elisha and the Two Bears (2 Kings 2:23-25)

23 Then he (Elisha) went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number. 25 And he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.

Nice try. But, NO. Yeshua was a Jew (of tribe of Judah), practiced it, lived the torah laws fully, fufilled the atonement and the other sacrifical requirements as per Torah. But, neither HIM nor the apostles nor early believers said a thing about no longer keeping the rest of the Jewish laws (feast days, abstain from unclean beasts, keep sabbath).

The reason why they no longer offered animal saacrifice was mainly because the 2nd temple was destroyed and without the temple, NO sacrifice is really valid.

BUT, to say HE died a "christian" is a heresy. The word Christian (Ekklessia meaning congregation more accurately) was first used in book of Acts with the apostles (Paul specifically) over 50 or so years AFTER Yeshua ascended to heaven.

LOL. NO. Jesus was most definitely NOT a christian.

And Yes, ALL the laws and commandments are summed in two: LOVE GOD and LOVE people. IF you love GOD, you will keep the rest of the commandments that pertain to GOD (no idol/image, keep sabbath etc). If you love people, you will keep the ones that pertain to people (no steal, no murder, no covetning etc)

Pierocash:
under the law we had 10 commandments, but Christ gave us only one commandment which is love.John 13:34-35 "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another"


If you love your wife,you won't even cheat on her not to talk of marrying another woman.

Polygamy is not Christianity. No, Jesus and His parents never died a Jew,they died as Christians. The Jews never loved Him because He was never part of them,and suffered persecution from same jews

That GOD made provisions in the LAW to protect THOSE who engaged in POLYGAMOUS SITUATION does NOT mean GOD instituted polygamy. GOD's sanctioned order is found in Genesis when HE made Adam and Eve NOT Adam, Eve and Mary OR Adam, Joseph and Eve.


Bible is a history book and an account of a people (hebrews), their culture and their dealings with GOD. It, however, does NOT translated to everything recorded being GOD approved.

Let me loud it for those in the back:

THE "BIBLE" IS A HISTORY BOOK, THOUGH INSPIRED DOES NOT MEAN GOD SANCTIONED EVERY SINGLE ACTS, EVENTS ETC.

You are indeed the emodiment of the spirit of antichrist of this age as predicted in the scriptues. You have indeed made yourself clearly visible by your screen name. At least you are not trying to hide your antichrist agenda. Your agenda shall NOT succeed.

I respond not because it will change you, but I counter you here so that people also can hear the other side (THE TRUTH).

Concerning your post here: CONTEXT is EVERYTHING. You, like devils, demons, is a twister of the word of YHVH. Nothing new here, the devil did it even while Yeshua walked this earth and he is still twisting YHVH's words today for which you are an agent[b]. [/b]

I will not go thru these bible references that you have listed because the answer is the same for ALL. Here it is:

CONTEXT is EVERYTHING. CONSIDER the WHOLE of SCRIPTURE. YHVH blessed the people of Israel via their patriachs and gave them conditions for inheriting the blessings/promises (see Deutoronomy especially). IF you continue in my ways, laws and statues, THEN, you shall prosper etc. YHVH also gave them curses for disobedience, one of those curses is that HE would allow them to be overtaken by their enemies. NOW, HOW YHVH carries out his curses is HIS perogative.

In these passages you listed, these people that YHVH "allows" to be deceived are already hell bent on doing their own evil, THEREFORE, YHVH gave them over to their own self initiated deception. YHVH cannot instigate deceit in those following HIS ways. HE allows deceit in those already self deceived as part of ther JUDGEMENT! KEYWORD: "ALLOW".

BUT YOU KNOW THIS: LIKE DEMONS, YOU CHOOSE TO DECEIVE and CLEVERLY TWIST AND PERVERSE. THOSE whom YHVH choose WILL NOT SUCCUMB TO YOUR LIES. ONLY THOSE WHO already have your propensity WILL FALL FOR YOUR LIES.

YOU, yourself, antichristian, YHVH have "allowed" deception to take over your soul, because YOU chose it first. So yes, YHVH has decieved you. HE did NOT start it though, YOU did.

Antichristian, It shall not be well with you UNLESS you forsake your wicked, evil, perverse ways. Spawn of the devil, The Most High YHVH rebukes you.

AntiChristian:
Yes, the Lord can be a Deceiver too as the situation demands. Pick up your Bible and follow. If you notice any lie please call my attention to it.

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And your Lord is a great deceiver too

Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived (nasha) this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."

We have it in...

1 Kings 22:20-22
And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab into attacking Ramoth Gilead and going to his death there?'
"One suggested this, and another that. 21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
" 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD. 'Go and do it.'

Here we see that the man said that he would resort to lying in order to entice Ahab and God supported the idea and told him to go ahead and do it!

We even have it in...

Ezekiel 14:9-11
" 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel. 10 They will bear their guilt-the prophet will be as guilty as the one who consults him. 11 Then the people of Israel will no longer stray from me, nor will they defile themselves anymore with all their sins. They will be my people, and I will be their God, declares the Sovereign LORD.' "

God is punishing him for a crime that He enticed him to do in the first place? Isn't that entrapment?

Another passage...

Isaiah 37:6-7
Isaiah said to them, "Tell your master, 'This is what the LORD says: Do not be afraid of what you have heard-those words with which the underlings of the king of Assyria have blasphemed me. Listen! I am going to put a spirit in him so that when he hears a certain report, he will return to his own country, and there I will have him cut down with the sword.'

God had that spirit spread a rumor so that the King of Assyria can to return to his homeland. In short, that spirit's purpose was for deception.

Another example from the Bible...

Isaiah 19:14
The LORD has poured into them a spirit of dizziness; they make Egypt stagger in all that she does, as a drunkard staggers around in his vomit.

Here we see God deceiving people to the extent that they become absolutely foolish.

Even though I don't believe the Gospels teach that Jesus taught he was God, however this example is for those who believe that Jesus is God. Jesus admits that he was speaking figuratively all this time...

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Why wasn't Jesus speaking in a normal and clear way all the time? Why did Jesus then go and say that he won't 'use this kind of language'?

Well, here we find out why...

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. 11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

So here we see that Jesus was deceiving certain people by speaking in parables so that they won't (and God forbid!) REPENT AND BE FORGIVEN!

Also in...

2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie.

So God will delude people so that they can believe lies?

Answers to your objections to deity of Yeshua.


Cults and false religions often raise objections against both the deity of Christ and the doctrine of the Trinity. In what follows, key objections will be briefly summarized and answered.

Jesus Is the Son of God
Some claim that because Jesus is the Son of God, He must be a lesser God than God the Father. Among the ancients, however, an important meaning of Son of is “one who has the same nature as.” Jesus, as the Son of God, has the very nature of God (John 5:18, 10:30, 19:7). He is thus not a lesser God.

The Father Is “Greater” Than Jesus
Some cults argue that because Jesus said the Father is “greater” than Him (John 14:28), this must mean Jesus is a lesser God. Biblically, however, Jesus is equal with the Father in His divine nature (John 10:30). He was positionally lower than the Father from the standpoint of His becoming a servant by taking on human likeness (Philippians 2:6–11). Positionally, then, the Father was “greater” than Jesus.

Jesus Is the Firstborn
Some cults argue that because Jesus is the “firstborn of creation” (Colossians 1:15), He is a created being and hence cannot be truly God. Biblically, however, Christ was not created but is the Creator (Colossians 1:16; John 1:3). The term firstborn, defined biblically, means Christ is “first in rank” and “preeminent” over the creation He brought into being.

Jesus Is Not All-Knowing
Some cults argue that because Jesus said no one knows the day or hour of His return except the Father (Mark 13:32), Jesus must not be all-knowing, and hence He must not be truly God. In response, Jesus in the Gospels sometimes spoke from the perspective of His divinity and at other times from the perspective of His humanity. In Mark 13:32, Jesus was speaking from the limited perspective of His humanity (see Philippians 2:5–11). Had he been speaking from His divinity, He would not have said He did not know the day or hour. Other verses show that Christ, as God, knows all things (Matthew 17:27; Luke 5:4–6; John 2:25, 16:30, 21:17).

Jesus Prayed
Some cults argue that because Jesus prayed to the Father, He could not truly be God. Biblically, however, it was in His humanity that Christ prayed to the Father. Since Christ came as a man—and since one of the proper duties of man is to worship, pray to, and adore God—it was perfectly proper for Jesus to address the Father in prayer. Positionally speaking as a man, as a Jew, and as our High Priest—“in all things He had to be made like His brethren” (Hebrews 2:17)—Jesus could pray to the Father. But this in no way detracts from His intrinsic deity.

1 Timothy 2:5: addressing his humanity as the mediator does NOT take away from HIS divinity.

John 1:18: read the whole chapter for context; it began "in the beginning was the word, the word was with GOD, and the word was God"... The WORD is CHRIST. And if you read further down, it explains HE is the light sent from Heaven, the one who sits beside the throne of GOD (Hebrews 1:3, 12:2, 1 Peter 3:22, Acts 7:55-56). So, cleary, CHRIST HAS SEEN GOD BECAUSE HE IS GOD.

Mathew 2:13: You could also say if HE is GOD why did HE allow HIMSELF to be crucified? HE could have had angels come and destory all those seeking to kill him. But HE did not. Same reason HE did not do any miracles as a baby or even as a young adult up untill his 30s. It is the same reason HE instead informed HIS parents to flee Egypt rather than destroy Herod or cause him to go blind, or mute or lame. Because, it was meant to fulfil a divine objective. End of Story.
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AntiChristian:
Many Christians elevated Jesus to a God-man i.e. 100% God and 100% man at the same time. Jesus, the son of man, never for once call himself "God the son". We read the Phrase "God the father" about 120 times in the New testament only! But never for once can you see "God the son".

So how can Jesus be God and yet Human? This Christians say Jesus had both a divine and human parts. Yet we read:

1. “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Matthew 24:36

“But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. Mark 13:32

From the above we see that only the father is omniscient! Jesus (both his divine and human part) do not know all things! Even the Holy Spirit is not Omniscient!

2. Jesus said " the Father is greater than I” (John 14:28)
How can the father be greater than Jesus when they are supposed to be co-equal in Trinity? Jesus is 100% human and 100% God remember? How can the father who is 100% God be greater than Jesus?
Makes no sense!

3.For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5

This was Timothy speaking calling Jesus a (100%) man not God!

4. In John 1:18, No one has ever seen God....!

What about Jesus? Is he not God anymore?

5. Jesus was protected by his human parents from birth! God had to send an Angel to warn them to flee!
Now when they had departed, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.”Matthew 2:13

Was God afraid he would be killed by the evil king that he had to warn his parent to protect him?

The Divinity of Yeshua- The ONLY one who fulfilled the requirement for a perfect sinless sacrifice for the sins of the world. (A human could not be perfect only GOD can/is.)

Jesus implicitly ascribed this divine name to himself during a confrontation He had with a group of hostile Jews. [/b]He said, “I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM” (John 8:58)

[b]Jesus Christ possesses divine names—names that can only be used of God. For example: Jesus is Yahweh, as is the case in passages like Romans 10:9, 1 Corinthians 12:3, and Philippians 2:5–11.


Jesus is also explicitly called “God” in Scripture (Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8. And He, too, has all the attributes of deity—including being everywhere-present (Matthew 28:20), all-knowing (Matthew 9:4), all-powerful (Matthew 28:18), holy (Acts 3:14), and eternal (Revelation 1:8, 17).

Jesus is recognized as both Yahweh and Elohim in the prophecy in Isaiah 40:3: “Prepare the way of the Lord [Yahweh]; make straight in the desert a highway for our God [Elohim].” This verse was written in reference to John the Baptist preparing for the coming of Christ (as confirmed in John 1:23) and represents one of the strongest affirmations of Christ’s deity in the Old Testament. In Isaiah 9:6, we likewise read a prophecy of Christ with a singular variant (El) of Elohim: “And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God [El], Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

In this passage, Thomas witnesses the resurrected Christ and worshipfully responds: “My Lord and my God [Theos]” (John 20:28).

Jesus is eternal. John 1:1 affirms: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” The word was in this verse is an imperfect tense, indicating continuous, ongoing existence. When the timespace universe came into being, Christ already existed (Hebrews 1:8–11).

Jesus is self-existent. As the Creator of all things (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2), Christ himself must be uncreated. Colossians 1:17 tells us that Christ is “before all things, and in Him all things consist.”

Jesus is everywhere-present. Christ promised His disciples, “Where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them” (Matthew 18:20). Since people all over the world gather in Christ’s name, the only way He could be present with them all is if He is truly omnipresent (see Matthew 28:20; Ephesians 1:23, 4:10; Colossians 3:11).

Jesus is all-knowing. Jesus knew where the fish were in the water (Luke 5:4, 6; John 21:6–11), and He knew just which fish contained the coin (Matthew 17:27). He knew the future (John 11:11, 18:4), specific details that would be encountered (Matthew 21:2–4), and knew from a distance that Lazarus had died (John 11:14). He also knows the Father as the Father knows Him (Matthew 11:27; John 7:29, 8:55, 10:15, 17:25).

Jesus is all-powerful. [/b]Christ created the entire universe (John 1:3; Colossians 1:16; Hebrews 1:2) and sustains the universe by His own power (Colossians 1:17; Hebrews 1:3). During His earthly ministry, He exercised power over nature (Luke 8:25), physical diseases (Mark 1:29–31), demonic spirits (Mark 1:32–34), and even death (John 11:1–44).

[b]Jesus is sovereign. Christ presently sits at the right hand of God the Father, “angels and authorities and powers having been made subject to Him” (1 Peter 3:22). When Christ comes again in glory, He will be adorned with a majestic robe, and on the thigh section of the robe will be the words, “KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS” (Revelation 19:16).

[b]Jesus is sinless. [/b]Jesus challenged Jewish leaders: “Which of you convicts Me of sin?” (John 8:46). The apostle Paul referred to Jesus as “Him who knew no sin” (2 Corinthians 5:21). Jesus is one who “loved righteousness and hated lawlessness” (Hebrews 1:9), was “without sin” (Hebrews 4:15), and was “holy, harmless, [and] undefiled” (Hebrews 7:26).

Jesus was worshiped [/b]on many occasions in the New Testament. He accepted worship from Thomas (John 20:28), the angels (Hebrews 1:6), some wise men (Matthew 2:11), a leper (Matthew 8:2), a ruler (Matthew 9:18), a blind man (John 9:38), an anonymous woman (Matthew 15:25), Mary Magdalene (Matthew 28:9), and the disciples (Matthew 28:17).

Scripture is emphatic that only God can be worshiped (Exodus 34:14; Deuteronomy 6:13; Matthew 4:10). In view of this, the fact that both humans and angels worshiped Jesus on numerous occasions shows He is God.

Jesus forgave sins; only GOD can forgive sins. (Luke 5:20m Luke 7:47-48).

[b]Jesus is GOD by virtue of the facts that He has the names of God, the attributes of God, and the authority of God; He does the works of God; and He is worshiped as God. We have also seen persuasive scriptural evidences for the doctrine of the Trinity. Our triune God is an awesome God!

Source: answersingenesis.org

I don't understand what you are tyring to achieve by saying Yeshua is not a deity. Why can't HE be both? As in 100% deity and 100% human.

You cannot just extract few passages in the scriptures to understand a serious and complicated subject as the deity of Christ. You have to consider the WHOLE of scriptures to unravel the complexities surrounding deity and humanity of Christ.


By plain common sense bible reading understanding: HE was born of a virigin mary (human) by the HOLY SPIRIT (GOD). ERGO: 100 % human and 100% GOD. HIS essense is divine BUT the earthly vessel it came in is Human. SIMPLE!!!!!!

HIS use of "son of GOD or son of man" was merely an anthropomorphic way of describing HIS relationship with the 1st of GOD Head (GOD the father).

It is akin to when scriptures say: ears, eyes, heart, hands or feet of GOD. NOW, we know GOD as none of those body parts. BUT it is just an allegorical representation symbolising that GOD indeed does hear, see, feel, do, walk etc...


The scriptural evidence for his deity is overwhelming and favours HIM being both deity and man.

May I remind you that the reason HE was crucified was because HE claimed to GOD and did and claimed things ONLY GOD can do. HE forgave sins. IF you simple understand the OLD covenant laws, there's NO WAY, a mere mortal man can be perfect to DIE for the sins of the world as a perfect sacrifice.

HE was there from the beginning of the world; co-creator with the 1st of Triune GOD (GOD the father). THE image of the invinsible GOD.
HE was called GOD from before HE was incarnated (Isaiah 9: 6); GOD with us (Matt 1:21).

Here are "some" scriptures evidence for HIS deity.

“The Son of God” (Luke 22:20) (John 5:18) “The Only Begotten Son” (not created) (John 1:18 3:16) “The First and the Last” (Revelation 1:7) Compare: (Isaiah 41:4) “The Alpha and the Omega” “The Beginning and the End” (Revelation 22:13) “The Holy One” (Acts 3:14) Compare: (Hosea 11:9) “The Lord” (Luke 2:11) (Matthew 22:43-45) Compare: (Psalm 110:1) (Philippians 2:11) Compare: (Malachi 3:1)*(“The Lord” is used specifically of Jesus several hundred times.) “The Lord of Glory” (Acts 10:36) Compare: (Psalm 24:8-10) “God with us” (Matthew 1:21) Compare: (Isaiah 9:6) “God” (Hebrews 1:8. “Our Great God” (Titus 2:13) “God blessed forever” (Romans 9:5)

HE is fully GOD and fully Man. End of Story. QED.

Quite right; the verses you quoted point to the mortals as one part of the picture.

However, Check these two verses: it is clear Satan is also being described indirectly. Both verses show Satan as the other side being addressed; which clearly shows the dual nature of both these passages.

Ezekiel 28:14-16 A mortal man cannot be a cherub, nor be blameless.

Isaiah 14: 12-15: a mortal man cannot fall from heaven, or think to ascend to throne of GOD and make self like most high and was then cast to sheol (Luke 10:18, Revelation 12:9)

These aforementioned verses show that Satan is indirectly being described as the one influencing the kings being directly mentioned.


Yeah. Both of these passages as in many prophetic imagery are weaving in and out between Satan and the human characters being directly addressed.

Yeshua spoke directly to Satan while addressing Peter and the legions indirectly. (matt 16:23, Mark 5)

Think of it this way: it is HaSatan that is being indirectly described in these two passages. After-all it is Satan that is ultimately influencing these wicked and evil kings.

PS: I am actually a “sister”. Hard to tell I know. Thanks.

OkCornel:
I thought so too. But when I read verse 16-18, I got the context.


16 Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: “Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble,

17 the man who made the world a wilderness, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?”

18 All the kings of the nations lie in state, each in his own tomb

19 But you are cast out of your tomb like a rejected branch; you are covered with the slain, with those pierced by the sword, those who descend to the stones of the pit. Like a corpse trampled underfoot


These verses makes it clear it was a mortal man it was directed to. Satan has no tomb

Couldn’t both of this chapter be about both the kings of Babylon and Persia (a type of Antichrists) and also a description of Satan (who will inhabit the ultimate Antichrist at end of age)?

You know as in “Dualism”. Instead of one or the other, It can be both. As in, the description is dualistic in application. This idea of dualism in quite prevalent in Middle Eastern culture and thus is reflected in their writings.

OkCornel:
Read Isaiah 14 in context. Who was it referred to?

Note: Lucifer (Morning Star) is a title which Babylonian, Persian and generally Mesopotamian kings refer themselves with.

Research on these ancient cultures and understand the context of the scriptures and the mindset of the author, so you don’t get things out of context.

Ezekiel 28 v 12-14 was referring to the king of Tyre.

See the screenshot of who it was referred to.

OkCornel:

Re: endtime prophecies etc:

There is a character I ran into few days ago on YouTube. She claims to receive endtime dreams, visions and voices from God. She has a bit of a fan base that hails her as the great “prophetess”.

So, do me a favour and search youtube for a name called masters voice prophecy. Its a youtube video by a character named “Celeste”; also has a blog site on worldweb.

Please Listen to her videos or cruise thru and tell me what you “discern” of her.

There is something off about her and her purported messages, but I find it difficult to place a finger on it. She appears legit BUT, there is a subtle something…..like an angle of deception that is very very hard to decipher.

Thanks!

OkCornel:
Ah alright.

Correct as usual mate :-).

But yes, on the topic, Satan and his hosts are still occupy heavenly abode; albeit different level of heaven than that YHVH the father, son and HIS angelic hosts and beings reside.

Case in point: 1 Kings 22: the story of prophet Micaiah and his visions of heavenly counci in throne of GOD, and lying spirit (demon) sent to the prophets of king Ahab
Job 1: the story of HaSatan appearing to the council in heaven asking for permission to harm Job.
Book of Daniel, Revelation also shows satan and hosts nor any human soul are not really in hell at this time per se until the Millennial reign of Yeshua is over.

BTW I like reading your stuff, very insightful and highlights of my day. I learn from your posts, AND I rarely say that about anyone.

OkCornel:
I hope you know Isaiah 14 was a taunt to the King of Tyre or Babylon I think. It’s got nothing to do with Satan’s rebellion which is yet to fully manifest anyways.

Satan still has his place in heaven, he’s the dragon that’ll be kicked out of heaven before the great tribulation starts.

Ephesians 6 v 12 makes it clear Satan and his forces still have their place in heaven right now;


Ephesians 6 v 12 - NKJV
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

It’s in Revelation 12 that they’ll be kicked out of heaven;

Revelation 12 v 7-9;

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back.
8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven.
9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.


Cc: SeraphEl, Jokerman

These mad men called "pastors, preachers and profits....I mean "prophets", are uber useless. I do not know why they do not fear GOD whom they will answer to come judgement day for shamelessly wasting the platform they were allowed to have.

The main question IS: What is GOD saying by taking this young boy's life? How can we maximise the lessons surrounding his death so it is not in vain. This boy's death is a message to the boy's parents. Get your (messed up) lives in order. YOUR fame and fortune cannot save your soul. You cannot take your material possessions with when death comes knocking.

GOD loved this boy quite much that he spared him life of hell and eternity in hell. The boy was spared from living a wasted degenerated life in his youth and adulthood. He is back to his maker where he will experience eternity in heaven being a child. This is a message that money hungery stupid gods of men will never discern nor preach.

These useless men who call themselves pastors and profits should use the opportunity of this tragic death of a young boy to evangelise to Davido, Chioma and ALL affected by this tragedy.. The idiots wolves who label selves as pastors should be ministering (spiritual) life and hope in CHRIST to ALL affected by this young boy's death.


I wish someone can pass this message onto David, Chioma & ALL affected by this tragedy. PLUS send to all your useless wolves parading in the pulpit calling themselves pastors or prophets.

Thank you for this. This thread appeared at a very opportuned time. I'm having the same discussion with a number of people on a youtube channel- one of those "sola scriptura" adherents.

My answers to them are exactly what you are elucidating here. I tell ya. It angers me when people think they can limit the GOD of the universe to a book. They don't see this sola scriptura as a form of religious idolatry of sorts; an attempt to control and box GOD in. I see it as attempt to contain and explain GOD away.

I believe part of the problem, is an attempt also to counter the other side of extreme; the hyper charismatics where anything and everything is the from the Spirit, by experience of GOD and very little or rarely scritpurally supported. This is one of devil's handiwork; playing both sides.

We do not worship the bible but the GOD of the bible. This is difficult concept for them to grasp. And they completely dismiss the SPIRIT of GOD. Wasn't it Paul who says "the letter kills, but SPIRIT gives life". It's mind boggling and I can not fathom how one can carry on with christian life believing GOD can never speak to them apart from bible; as if bible has their names and issues specifically written in. They are in fact, religious atheists.

Anyway, Well done...keep up the good work. What you are doing here enlightening these (stuborn and blind) minds will be truly rewarding in this life and the next. Your efforts are not in vain, keep in mind there are people passing by who are learning queitly. Do not let the noisy ones discourage you.

Blessings.

OkCornel:
When Jesus was about to leave, he promised his followers another comforter, THE SPIRIT OF TRUTH. Which will lead them into all truth.

Jesus never referred his followers to a set of books, rather… he promised them the spirit of truth.

Knowing fully well God’s truth can never be limited to a set of books in this realm of existence.

Little wonder John wrote this in his epistle.

John 21 v 25;
Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

If all the acts and sayings of Jesus alone were written and the whole world can’t contain it, how can you then turn around and tell me all of God’s word is captured in some set of books?!

E no go better for religious brainwashing!

I heard that the West is warning ALL western delegates/citizens in Nigeria to flee Nigeria because of possible terrorist attack (per their secret intelligence services) which will unleash fury upon ALL of Nigeria.


How come you don't seem to salivate over bad stuff in your own damn country with your (biased) endtimes messages on crap happening in your own backyard?


Is Yeshua coming only because of bad stuff happening in the west? Is Nigeria exempt? Why only focus on the west and not your own people? WHY?!

YOU think you get to escape evil? NO. Evil and endtime bad stuff is coming to a location near you too.....sooner or later...that is, if not already.

What you wish upon the west, returns back to you at same measure, if not worse.


For once, mind the plank in your own damn eyes (country), before pointing to another (countries).

Righteousness2:
The truth is that we are living in the Final Generation before the Coming of JESUS Christ.

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This is hardly prophecy but a simple understanding of British politics 101.

Short explanation:

The next general democratic election (between opposing parties) is January 2025. It is highly likely Sunak will be ousted then. .

Longer explanation:

The British people pick their members of parliament to represent them in the house of commons. The majority of party represented by the parliament pick the PM, then confirmed/appointed by the Monarch (Charles the third).

Why was there not a general election when Boris and Truss stepped down?

Because….

The conservatives party won during their last proper election in 2019 (Boris Johnson).

When Boris stepped down, MP (their parliament led by conservatives majority) decides another conservative candidate takes over. That was Liz Truss. Truss stepped down, now it is Sunak, another conservative party candidate.

So it shall be a conservative again if Sunak steps down either willingly or forced. Or until their next general election between conservatives and other opposing parties in early 2025.

There!

okeysoninv:
They will be out problem 1-2yrs time

You are correct. I think he means well, but perhaps need to sharpen his eschatological doctrines. And you yourself sir, have some error in your own doctrines, as no one has it all perfectly understood. Many things are still a mystery about the end times and will only become more obvious as they occur.

The great tribulation is actually just 3.5 years which is the time that the antichrist occupies the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem, claims to be god, demands worsip and descerates the 3rd temple. The first 3.5 years (out of Daniel's 70th week= 7 years), it will be the intensification of the signs of the times we already have in full effect now (war, faminie, inflation, extreme weather distrubances/disasters, hate crimes, immorality, sexual pervesions and general godlessness).

Yeshua returns at end of Great Tribulation; the dead will rise and with those who survived the mark of beast will be caught up in air with Yeshua. Then the wrath is poured out towards the inhabitants of the earth remaining. The great Armageddon and chaining of Satan and his legions.

Afterwards, come the reign of Yeshua for 1000 years in Newly built 4th Temple (Ezekiel's Temple). Those who survived the wrath of YAH and believers all will worship Yeshua and abide by HIS rules; as in HE is the KING/PRESIDENT of all nations of the earth.

After millenial reign, Satan let loose to deceive nations for one more time, then he is utterly defeated and thrown into hellfire permanently for eternity. Great throne Judgement for unbelievers occur and those whose names not found in book of life are sentenced to hell fire for eternity.

Then, a new heaven and new earth decends from heaven where there is no more pain, sorrow, death, wars...no more the sun/stars/moon for YAH is the light. And, you get the rest.......

What I wrote up there are all in the bible, read thru Daniel 7-12, Matthew 24, Revelation 6-22, Ezekiel 40-48.

CaptMarvel:
You see, a puffed up heart can never be sound with understanding lolz

If you have any wisdom at all, you would have seen how I'm catching you in your own words.

True, Christ return at the end of the great tribulation,
Now look at the bolded, and tell me, has the Antichrist kingdom began? Is there one man sitting on the world government now? So why do you say we are already in the great tribulation period? Simply because you have no understanding of what you are even reading in the bible. You need to be sent back to primary one class of bible study haha!

Don't let uncertain revelation deceive you. Rather seek God more for understanding.

I actually do believe this warning message is legit in some ways if not exactly as the dreams. I too have been having this same dream for the past 2 years. And I do believe it has begun and it will be most evident to everyone next year.

I'm not going anywhere though and I won't be moved. I do believe that YHVH will save a remant somehow.

It is not THE great tribulation, but it is the boot camp training for Christians in preparation for the grueling Great Tribulation that will follow.

okeysoninv:
Prophetic warning!! Don't take this message for granted . The Lord showed me the world war 3 has already started. Please if you are living in USA , I beg you in the name of God if you lives in USA leave that country now!! This is a warning from God. This is not bluffing . The enemies has device a plan to attack that country unaware. With use of ICBM nuclear weapons and torpedo nuclear that will cause cities to fall inside ocean. And invasion of USA by enemies nations . And betrayal .God have mercy on us.. blood will flow like ocean. I am not bluffing millions will die.. Leave now! Leave now!!. Leave now!!!. God bless you .

Osariemen12:
Exactly. No way Biden is going back to the White House.

Actually, he is NOT leaving the WH in 2024. He will run and win by a landslide.

Mark this page; return in 2 years.

brain54:
He can run…

But cannot win…

ACTUALLY, He can and WILL win. Remember this post in 2 years.

Unacceptable. Seminar or not, Still not a valid excuse for charing such exorbitant amout of money to "teach" bible class, pray, prophecy etc....

Go read your own bible and Holy Spirit will teach you FREE of charge how to pray etc. NOTHING to do with one not using their "brains". THIS is a case of using your spiritual discernment. Yeshua did NOT charge. The apostles did NOT charge. Infact, HE explicitly told them NOT to take any payment for anything pertaining to HIS gospel/word/scriptures. "freely you have received, FREELY you shall give" (Matt 10:

What this woman is doing (selling the gospel/word of G-d) however it is repackaged and advertised is merchandising the gospel- which the G-d of the bible abhors and condemns vehemently. Open your scriptures, it is replete with verses against "peddlers and merchandisers whose gods are their belly, greedy for gain.........Phile 3:19" I do NOT need to go peruse her website for "more" information..yada yada yada.

SHE IS gaining REVENUE FROM THIS SALE. PERIOD. I bet you if you do the maths, you come to find out even after paying off expenses (overhead etc), she has made hefty profit to fund her lavish lifestyle.


Look at her "gucci" belt, and fake long weave...that says it all. As much money as she has made over the years, she can't pay to maintain her own G-d given hair. It's the gullible lot that fall for this that I pity. Her own (and plenty like her) Judgment has being determined long ago. (2 Peter 2:3)

Top Sign of end times. Biggest problem in "churchianity" today. And G-d will one day topple down their business enterprises.

Witches, wizards and enchantress masquerading as ministers of light. Accursed broods. Nonsense.

PS: YOU are part of the problem for defending her and YOU are destined for same condemnation as her. Better open your eyes for SHE is the devils that you speak of. She is one of the reasons Christianity gets bad reputation and leading many away from Christ.

mastermaestro:
Nairaland is home to antichristian sentiments. For Heaven's sake, It is not a church program, but a four-week training session. I believe materials and food will be distributed. Trust evil people not think deeply before dragging her around.

If you look at the post, it has a link to a website I am sure. But devils won't go there to read up details. They just want to paint her black. Again she may be inviting other tutors and theological doctors from different parts of US and the globe, yet dumb people won't reason what this would amount to in monetary cost.

I don't bother defending all these things anymore. People can choose what they want to believe.

Unacceptable. Seminar or not, Still not a valid excuse for charing such exorbitant amout of money to "teach" how to pray or bible class or prophesy etc.....

Go read your own bible, and Holy Spirit will teach you FREE of charge HOW to pray etc. NOTHING to do with one not using their "brains". THIS is a case of using your spiritual discernment. Yeshua did NOT charge. The apostles did NOT charge. Infact, HE explicitly told them NOT to take any payment for anything pertaining to HIS gospel/word/scriptures. "freely you have received, FREELY you shall give" (Matt 10:8

What this woman is doing (selling the gospel/word of G-d) however it is repackaged and advertised is merchandising the gospel- which the G-d of the bible abhors and condemns vehemently. Open your scriptures, it is replete with verses against "peddlers and merchandisers whose gods are their belly, greedy for gain.........Phile 3:19" I do NOT need to go peruse her website for "more" information..yada yada yada.

SHE IS gaining REVENUE FROM THIS SALE. PERIOD. I bet you if you do the maths, you come to find out even after paying off expenses (overhead etc), she has made a hefty profit to fund her lavish lifestyle. UNACCEPTABLE. FULL STOP.


Look at her "gucci" belt, and fake long weave...that says it all. As much money as she has made over the years, she can't pay to maintain her own G-d given hair. It's the gullible lot that fall for this that I pity. Her own (and plenty like her) Judgment has being determined long ago. (2 Peter 2:3)

Top Sign of end times. Biggest problem in "churchianity" today. And G-d will one day topple down their business enterprises.

Witches, wizards and enchantress masquerading as ministers of light. Accursed broods. Nonsense.

Ishilove:
Wait... Am I missing something? This is like a paid seminar. It's like your typical bible school which you register and attend for a fee.

What is wrong with social media users?? You are quick to react without using your brains to reason

NOW I know for sure that YOU are influenced by the demons- if I ever doubted!!!

Now wonder why your pet theologies that you spew out lack biblical support!

What you are proposing is pure doctrines of demon!

The ENTIRE scripture from Genesis to Revelation is YHVH’s word.

Yeshua did NOT abolish the Old covenant law BUT fulfilled it! HE said so HIMSELF in Matt 5:17.

The law of the Old Testament is still valid today and will forever more. Psalm 119:44.

Judgement awaits you if you do not repent.

Ken4Christ:
Over the years, I keep hearing ministers and Church leaders counseling new converts to find a Bible believing church to attend. I have an issue with that.

We have not been called to believe the whole Bible. The Bible is divided into two major parts; the Old Testament and the New Testament.

The Old Testament contains the law of Moses which has been abolished by Christ. So asking believers to attend a Bible believing church is also telling them to believe in the Law of Moses which is no longer tenable.

I rather prefer we tell them to attend a Christ believing church.

The teachings of our Lord Jesus and his Apostles laid the foundation for the New Testament church. And in many instances, it does not agree with the law of Moses.

For instance, the law says eye for eye and tooth for tooth but Jesus says that we should not revenge. The Apostles also taught that we should not render evil for evil.

Unfortunately, most ministers still don't know the dividing line between the Old and New Testament. So, they teach whatever they read in the Bible.

The Old Testament still has wealth of knowledge we learn from. But any doctrine or statement in it that does not agree with the teachings of our Lord Jesus and his Apostles should be discarded.

So, look for a Christ Believing Church to attend and not a Bible Believing church.

YOU basically just repeated what I said and in effect, agreeing that you mispoke. I rest my case!

I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MOST WEALTH AND PROSPERITY TEACHERS BECAUSE THEY SERVE MAMMOTH (GOD OF MONEY).

IT Is NOT appropriate for ministers of gospel to be living lavishly and especially on the backs of the poor. They should emulate Christ and the apostles who "took nothing for journey, worked with their hands". (Luke 9:3, Acts 20:34)

The scripture is replete with warning on ministers for profit; "whose gods are their belly" (Phil 3:19)

"I seem to you like a baby christian"....that's funny. I won't even comment on that.

End of Story

Ken4Christ:
Don't quote me wrong. I said before his death, his ministry was limited to the Jews alone. They were the only country that had a covenant with God.

But after his death, the Gentiles had an open door as the Jews rejected him. Hence, the scripture says;

John 1:11-13.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

In another place, Apostle Paul wrote;

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

In Paul's letter to the church in Ephesus, he wrote;

Ephesians 2 :12 That AT THAT TIME ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world.

So, while Jesus was on earth, he didn't travel outside Isreal to preach the gospel and those who received healings were also Jews.

But after his death, salvation has extended to the Gentiles also. It took a while for the early church to understand this truth. Initially, they were preaching only to the Jews.

There mentality changed when Peter was sent to the house of Cornelius and they all got filled with the Holy Spirit.

Before then, the Jews had no dealing with the Gentiles. But now, in Christ, we are now one body.

You make no sense at all. There are still no biblical support for your claims. I can't keep going round in circle with this please.


The only thing the scripture made clear is the 3.5 years (1260 days or 42 months) of reign of anti christ NOT 7 years. See the references I listed in Daniel and Revelation. Where did Paul call this the mystery of ages?

WE are in the Church age which began at the day of Pentecost. It will end at the coming of Christ, at the end of 70th week of Daniel; then the Millenial reign of Christ.

The mystery spoken of in Rom 16:25, and Eph 3:1-3 if you read in context, is referring to that of Salvation by grace, thru faith in Christ alone. The mystery contained in the Old Covenant but now revealed in the New Covenant.

THIS mystery has naught to do with your theory of 3 raptures, 3 great tribulations and the end of church age.

Ken4Christ:
Daniel Revelation of the 70 weeks did not include the church age. It was assumed that it will fulfilled without interruption. The one week remaining was interrupted by the church age.

The prophecy of the last one week which is 7 years of the Reign of the anti Christ will be fulfilled after this present church age has ended.

This is why Apostle Paul called it mystery that has been hidden in ages.

I backed up my expositions with scriptures. Please tell me which of them I quoted out of context.

NO wonder. Kenneth Hagin is your mentor. Say no MORE. The grandfather of wealth, prosperity huckerism.

HE is NOT an expert in eschatology. HE was a twister of scritpure to grift. SORRY about that.
As for your study, Quantity is NOT Quality. There are many bible scholars who are heading to hell. Satan knows the scriptures and can quote it and twist it.


I respect your "knowledge", but it doesn't always translate to truth. 2 Timothy 3:7: ".....ever learning yet never able to come to knowledge of truth".

Ken4Christ:
If you were in an event and you were asked to narrate what happened, won't you do it in the order things happened. Or if you asked to write the story of your life, will you start from the middle and then the end and come back to the beginning?

If the narration was not in chronological order, why didn't Jesus show John the new heaven and earth first before he shows him the tribulation period.

Our Lord Jesus is the embodiment of wisdom and knowledge. And he will not reveal an event to confuse us. He wants us to read and understand it.

So, the book of Revelation is in chronological order except for chapter 12 which in itself is not part of the physical events but happenings in the realm of the spirit.

I have studied this book for over 30 years. I am not a novice. Kenneth Hagin of blessed memory is my mentor. I am very careful with the word of God.

I don't come up with teachings that has no backing in the word of God.

I am compelled to begin to write a book on this subject. Maybe, it will be better understood when the book is ready.

The teachings of eschatology by our church fathers is not correct.

Between the rapture of the church and the creation of the new heaven and earth are about 30 distinct events.