₦airaland Forum

dansoye1:
Binis didn't establish kingship in Owo,but rather Owo princes(only two of them Omaro and Oshogboye) would go to Benin to learn courtly cultures and

military techniques.

Note:Oma means Omo in Owo dialect.

But why do some Owo folks claim half-Bini ancestry?

IFELEKE:
Laffs...
I still believe the sane ones among them know better...I think what we are seeing presently is just a bunch of disgruntled elements dancing shamelessly to the tune of a scam artist, let's just amuse ourselves and watch as they ridicule themselves.


Oh no, I think they are the ones over estimating there worth, reality will soon hit them in the face like a rude shock.

I hear that.

But I think the whole thing is gaining momentum, which I doubt they planned. Hence some of their leaders are coming out against it. And when things are like that - one miscalculation can change everything and the whole landscape and take it to a place no one ever thought it would get to.

So we've to be vigilant and ready/prepared for all eventualities.

Akon - The Rain

Akon - Tired of running.

Akon - Never took the time

quimicababes:
Jamaicans don't migrate because they don't like their country...[b]Jamaicans love their country eh.[/b]Them migrate due to lack of opportunities...a lot of them are in poverty and IMF have screwed Jamaica.Prior to UK requiring visa for them..we had a few of them but since its no longer easy to migrate to USA,UK and Canada they have flooded other Caribbean islands through CSME for jobs.Jamaicans have to pay for school etc at the primary and secondary level back home...was surprising to me because it free for us here..even university.They are hardworking however...

Err...it's not even just a Jamaican thing, it's a Caribbean thing. Caribs just love their home countries and they love going home. Even the ones that are in their fifth generation outside the Islands that have turned to triple coconuts and double coconut juice in one - go home from time to time. Why's that?

All the Caribs I know go to their home countries, unlike we Africans. I've an uncle that's married to a Jamaican woman and she takes the kids to Jamaica all the time. Then there's this naij guy I grew up playing football with, Moses Ashikodi (supremely gifted footballer and should've made it big but he's just ya typical Peckham boy and indiscipline killed his career), that plays for Antigua. His missus made him play for the country and they both travel to Antigua all the time. You lot love ya countries, bwoi.

WIZGUY69:
- Lokoja
was the capital of the British Northern
Nigeria Protectorate and remained a
convenient administrative town for the
British colonial government after the
amalgamation of Northern and Southern

- I actually don't know the meaning in Ebira & Igala.

- igala got their first, that's why the main king in lokoja is Attah. (which means Father).

- igala then ebira then okun. the major language spoken there depends on the location. in lokoja ( which is the major city their) Igala
okene the second largest town which happens to be the main town of the ebiras. they speak ebira there.

I think so..

Kingship doesn't necessary mean they got their first. Eko Kingship came from Bini but the Aworis were in Eko before the Binis came there to create a flank against Dahomey. Ditto Owo, Itsekiris, and a lot of small towns around larger Kingdoms/Empires.

Igalas did have a strong Kingdom back in the day and they actually held their own in different wars against the Bini Kingdom. So if they installed Kingship over a small indigenous population - it's understandable. However that doesn't mean they got there first.

IFELEKE:

I don't think they'll be stupid enough to try any place farther than Benin City...

Lool.

You never know - these folks are innately suicidal.

Are they the same folks calling Lagos "no man's land"?

A lot of them also claimed they can stand in Lagos and fight the Yorubas, despite the fact that the place is surrounded by at least two layers of core Yoruba cities.

ExcerptsI found about Lokoja on britannica and another source:

Formerly the capital of Kabba province, Lokoja was part of Kwara from 1967 to 1991, when it became the capital of the newly formed state of Kogi.

The town has a hydroelectric power generating plant. It is situated on the local highway between Kabba and Ayangbe and has ferry service across the Niger River. Pop. (2006) local government area, 195,261.

and

The dilemma of Lokoja is that various ethnic groups, notably the Oworo, Nupe, Igbirra, Hausa and Igala claim to be the true natives. These claims and counterclaims are said to have hampered the development of the town since Nigeria’s independence.

^^^From these excerpts - we know Kabba province is Yoruba (Okun) and Oworos (Okun) are also Yorubas.

What about the Ayangbes - are they Yorubas?

MayorofLagos:
Duke,
Keep that bad boy loaded. I hear Ibo is bringing ipob march to Lagos.

I've been following it closely without talking about it.

These mofos just never learn from history.

They know how volatile everywhere is right now and the Lagos topic is hot, yet they want more problems.

It's good news if you ask me cos that will probably be the beginning to their end in Lagos. And at least when the hammer comes down on them, the depopulation we're all praying for will happen by crook.

WIZGUY69:
MayorofLagos*
Do you really mean Okun people are the real owner of Lokoja?
They are not even in the top 3 major groups in that Kogi state. Besides the okuns are not even suppose to be in the same place with the igalas/Ebira.
if okun are the real owner of Lokoja, where's the ancestral home/place of the ebira and the igalas?
it seems we are now becoming land grabbers.

- What's the history of Lokoja?

- What's the meaning of the name in Yoruba, Igala, and ebira - and the correlation of those meanings with what the place represents?

- Which ethnic group got there first?

- And which ethnic group has the largest population there and what's the language spoken there?

I think the place is similar to Warri.

MayorofLagos:
Wassup Duke...I think you have hooked quami, by crook!

Lool.

Quimi is aareonakakanfo's supreme wife - off limit for me.

I don't do OPP (other people's property) - loyal above everything and death before dishonour.

MayorofLagos:
Im trying as much to not discuss Northern issues but there is a strong tease particularly a myth which lack of knowledge and cheap ridicule has made acceptable evrrytime Hausa and North is mentioned amongst Yorubas.

We must, I stress this...we Yorubas must study and thoroughly understand the North if we desire by any means to return to regionalism or seceed from Nigeria.

There are two majority tribes in North, Hausa and Kanuri, thats it. Fulani is a minority but the elite and ruling class. Beside Islam, they worship traditional cults in North and they have Christians as well. There are Hausas, Kanuris and Fulanis that consult oracle and they also have ritualists up there.

Fulanis never had kingdoms in their history...never anywhere in the history of Africa do you find an old Empire of Fulani. They were a sub culture under Songhay Empire and Mali Empire.

The occassion of Fulani having Emirates is a revolution in Hausaland. They simply occupied thrones and palaces preexisting and owned by Hausa Kings. Fulani did not know how to erect a kingdom or city. The walled cities, the history and office were already institutions of power....they simply eliminated the owners, walked up and occupied the vacancies. The Hausa Sarkis that escaped went Southward into Lokoja. Fulanis believe their success in Hausaland should work in Kanuriland, in Nupeland, in Yorubaland, in Iboland....that they can carry out a campaign of terror, intimidation, elimination and then subjugation to culminate in sacking the throne and converting ownership. They are still ambitious till today and when their efforts are blocked they throw tantrum and blame it on intolerance for their cow herds to graze. Its a plot!

In Yorubaland if your family name is Fayemi or Fashola or Fasakin...instantly you have given hints how to locate your family compound. It doesn't matter where you are in the world, we have your code and we can trace you to your family chain. Its not like this in North

You cannot trace a Sanusi, a Ibrahim, a Mohammed, a Yusuf, a Buhari. There are millions with these last names and are spread across many desert countries, from Darfur, Chad, Niger, Cameroon, Burkina, Benin, Ghana, Mali.... So then an Ibrahim Yousuf in Nigeria is not necessarily a Nigerian even if he speaks Hausa, the lingua franca across many communities in the Sahel and Dessert.

If you take Ayo Ogunmade from Lagos to Ijebu, to Ijesha, to Ekiti, Egba, Ibadan, Okun, Offa, Ilorin, Jebba, Saki, Epe, Badagry....ati bebe lo, he will remain Ayo Ogunmade, his name will never change due to location or relocation. It is not so in North. They go by a different code.

Abubakar Adamu was born and raised in Funtua. He goes to Kano for secondary education and decides to drop his last name and adopt his town. He becomes Abubakar Funtua. He goes afterward to University of Maiduguri. His friends are Kanuri and startbto call him Babu Funtua. Abubakar, Abu Sadiq, Babu, Bakar, Bacar, Abacha...are different to the Southerner, but to the Norther are all same. In fact if this guy goes to Sokoto serve youth corp his friends there would know him as Abubakar Sadiq Funtua! Mohammed, Modu, Momodu, Mo, Momoh are all the same name. As a result of our lack of understanding, we have in reality had some foreigners in the Sahel occupy positions reserved for Nigerians, under cover of language, culture and faith common in the North. In all these we busy ourselves reminding the Northerner that we are smarter than them.

If.you study the history of Lokoja we see it is a confluence, and what in old order would be termed strategic and.prime location. Strategic to who? To those who wield powers and armies and are looking for prime crossroads to occupy because it served as resting place as well trading spots or exchanges or markets and hence opporthnity to tax. So who were the Great powers in the immediate vicinity to occupy this spot?

You can eliminate Igala and Hausa. Hausa had no contigous domain connecting with Lokoja. If Igala had power Lokoja was beyond its league to contend authority over.

Oyo Ile was a powerful Imperial seat and within stone throw of Lokoja. Bida was a seat of a king and not an Emperor, but has close proximity also...but the presence of Hausa and others and their claim is not supported either by their own history, that of the old order of political supremacy or the name of the town itself. Lokoja in Yoruba is synonymous with a passage.....well, thats exactly what the place is, a passage or intersect.! What does Lokoja mean in Igala, Nupe or Hausa?

I shared these many background and info on a very simple.matter that doea not requore a lenghty narration but if you learn a thing or two here then the effort is worth it.

We cannot continue to yield a land everytime its in contention with Northerners. If we own it and history supports our ownership of it then by God, we must support that ownership with cultural facts and historical legends. We cannot go with what is...a result of reshape and remodelling of ancestral lands exercised by reckless military rulers.

Okun people own Lokoja. Nupe has a tiny chance of contention if they disprove Okun as the owner. Igala and Hausa should just fvk off and dropbtheir silly claim.

Well said.

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honeychild:
Cut it out

Okay, ma'am.

Are you cool though?

It's an open thread and a town hall meeting.

Make sure you contribute ya quota to the betterment of Yorubaland and Yoruba commonwealth.

quimicababes:
Shymm3x...no one denies Jamaica her glory in the Caribbean.Most of us are happy for her progress.Most of us embrace her cultural artifacts that gave her ,her fame but that's no excuse for her to think she is superior.Trinidad created Soca and the pan instrument and most of the smaller English speaking Caribbean islands adopted Trini soca but Trini folks will never put god out of their thought to think they are superior to other islanders.Heck the pan music is usually used for music that signify the Caribbean tourism but we don't beat no superior tune.Trini and the other islands can hold their weight just like Jamaica...we have produced a lot of smart folks feck Kwame Ture was a Trini.Jamaicans have no excuse for their lack of tact and obnoxious behaviour.

Bahamians are pretty smart....had an ex who is Bahamian...brilliant guy..he studied law in the UK.My only gripe is they can be too religious tho.

Sometimes I wonder if its genetics though eh after learning about Naija and her various groups...I won't mention d group dt them close to nah .Still one love for Jamaica and I wish her and Caricom all the best.Same to you...I hope Naija gets her ish together also...she is the largest black nation nah.

Stokely Carmichael the Kwame Ture - legend. Then you have the legendary scholar, Ivan Van Sertima, from British Guiana. Etc.. But I think Bob Marley just took Jamaica to Ionosphere. And you can't deny the impact of Marcus Garvey on black history in diaspora and how that impact also changed Africa. Without Marcus Garvey, there won't be black consciousness and black movement. Even the Pan-African flag folks still carry around today was designed by Marcus Garvey. Then you have the likes of: Fard Muhammad, and Noble Drew Ali who came directly under Garvey's influence - and birthed Elijah Muhammad. It went from there to Malcolm X and Martin Luther King. And the Black Panther Party came after them. Now back to Africa, the first anti-colonial movement started with the Garveyites - then Nkrumah, Lumumba et al who became students of Malcolm X and MLK took it to the crescendo. The children of Marcus Garvey right there and his influence from one generation to the other.

Soca is the carnival tune and I believe Trinis started carnival. But in the UK, Jamaicans have started infusing their bashment into it. Jamaicans are sly, I tell ya. Salute to Trinis for giving us soca and carnival.

Yes, Bahamians are supremely religious. Like my darg used to say, "these folks love Jesus more than he loved himself and far more than the white man ever loved him" lool. We used to debate religion with them and other religious folks like almost every night in the Uni library back then (memories). That was when I was still a radical and I just found out the Isis, Osiris, and Horus stories. And how Krishna, Buddha, Zeus et al have the same story-line as Jesus. Ditto the origin of the name. I believe I was just subconsciously mad back then that I've been lied to about a unique Jesus all my life, not knowing that the same Jesus could pass for Horus, Krishna, Buddha, Zeus, and even the solar system lol. That was the reason why my boy became an atheist. As for me, I just managed to outgrow that phase and focus on life and the supreme being. I don't have problem with religious folks and I do go to Church when I need to. However, I know the truth and background story to loads of things in religion - though I seldom talk about it.

Aareonakakanfo:
Looool I can see Shymm3x and quimicababes having fun Sorry for the intrusion

Speaking of jamos,my mainest G is jamo.He never liked me at first sight.He just used to fake it until we started talking and boom! the rest they say is history

And one thing a lot of people tend to ignore is their population.Their population is hhhuge outside their country They just don't like to stay at home that's why their population back home is very low.

They know what Nigerians are capable of tho

Well...everyone knows what Nigerians are capable of

Shoutout to dem Wire Wire

Lool.

A lot of Jamaicans don't like Africans, apart from the righteous ones (Rastafarians), cos of the slavery ish. And the righteous ones believe their home is in Africa, so whenever they see Africans, the motherland connection makes them relate and call you brother. Anyway, I think it's better now than it was in the past, at least in the UK, especially London - I don't know about other climes.

Then you also have the Nigerian factor - a lot of them can't stand Nigerians. They believe Nigerians don't respect black brotherhood (which is somewhat true) and most Nigerians prefer slaving to impress the white man than look out for black people. For example: when you go to a place and you meet a Jamaican working there (even a Ghanaian or other Africans esp South African blacks), the person will greet you like family and give you a free pass as a black person...but if you meet a Nigerian person, the person will make ya life hell and overdo the job. Even me sometimes, I prefer dealing with a white person than a Nigerian. There was a case at the council some Jamaican guy was telling me about one time about how a Nigerian woman frustrated his missus' life, until they had to tell the council to replace her with a white woman. I swear that guy despise Nigerians and when he found out I was Nigerian, he started acting funny to me as well. Then again not all Nigerians are like that but those who're like that are the ones making the rest look bad.

Yes, everyone knows how Nigerians get down -

quimicababes:
Honestly growing up folks always used to say Trinis and Jam folks have rivalry and I always thought it was rubbish till I met a Jam girl at UWI....I didn't like dt chic and she couldn't get along with 9 Trinis and 1 Grenadian..she was obnoxious jah.The other Jamaicans I met here for Trini since we have about 20k of them here are extremely self-centred and selfish.Its not part of Trini culture o....all the Jam guys we know for years after putting them onto jobs here and ish..them won't even buy a beer for u jah.Trini folks are mellow folks...we don't think the world revolves around Trini no mind we always say God is a Trini but Jam folks them feel their shit is ice cream.

I rather folks not know of Trini and the damn Caribbean and I educate them than have to be tagged with Jamaican stereotypes.I don't hate Jamaicans nah but I personally find them overbearing.The rest of the other islanders are kool though.I won't deny Jamaica her glory nah and I am happy for her whenever she succeeds after all we are all from the Caribbean.I personally find Jamaica is not even giving Trinidad enough competition economically..so yes I want her to industrialize and get IMF off of her back.I can't speak for Jamaicans but I can say most certainly for Trinis our rivalry is not ill will.. the average Trini doesn't wish Jamaica or other islands evil the way how naija have rivalries.

The rivalry is not because of size...Guyana is huge and we don't even have dt level of rivalry.The average Trini because of how mellow they are, loving to party and ish..them no get time for Jamaicans obnoxious overbearing behaviors.Its basically a case of Jamaica thinking she is superior to other islanders though her economy is shit compared to others just because of the worldwide fame she is known for nah.Go do a research and see how other islanders feel towards Jamaicans and you'll get a better picture o.

Hahahaha!

Jamaicans can be obnoxious, and overbearing with superiority complex - hence we used to called them "sugarcane" back in the day whenever they call us smelly/dirty Africans. And they can be very violent as well. However, I can't deny them their fame and how influential they're. There was a time when everyone wanted to be a Jamaican and London/UK has a lot of Jamaican influence. Most folks would rather eat rice and peas with curry goat, than eat African food - that's how influential Jamaicans are. Especially for an Island as small as that with less than 3 million people, you just have to rate them.

Anyway, the rivalry isn't that bad compared to Africans. More time you won't be able to differentiate one Caribbean person from the other, unless they tell you cos they do everything together. Unlike Africans folks that do their thing separately.

Also, Caribbeans from the Island are always very smart. I had a few folks from the Bahamas on some North American scholarship thingy at my Uni back in the day, and they were smarter than even the white Americans from U.S of A on the same scholarship programme. And they're fine as well. Big ups to black folks in the new world

Lol

I just caught quimicababes and aareonakakanfo dancing.

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quimicababes:
Its not merely a Trini thing but other islanders also react so...its irritating to be always labelled a Jamaican without folks educating themselves about the different islands and their differences.Heck even Tobagonians correct you when you call them a Trini and mind you we are one country.A lot of folks stereotype other islanders based on Jamaican stereotypes etc.

But it seems Trinis and Jamaicans have the biggest rivalry cos both are the biggest Islands there. Alie?

Anyway, you have to give Jamaicans props cah without them, most folks won't know much about the Caribbean Islands. And everywhere they go, they influence the culture and the people. Folks don't even know how influential Jamaicans are, to be honest. I'd say, when it comes to real time direct influence - Jamaicans are the most influential black group on the Planet. Even far more influential than African Americans.

You just can't hate Jamaicans despite how excessive they get sometimes. Jamaica, we nuh going down!

Busy Signal - we not going down (My chuuuune!)

Mek dem know this, Jamaica!
We not going down, and dem huff and dem ah puff and dem ah frown/
Can't tek di getto youth dem fi clown/
Cos what goes around, comes all the way around/
Too much man ah get slue./
You better watch what u say or do/
Cos it just might happen to you/
When you work hard but chosen a few.


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Aareonakakanfo:
quimicababes don't mind Shymm3x

I wish tho but I know say that man go kill me If I chat with you

Loool.

I smell love in the air - Yoruba Chief of Chiefs meet Trini Carnival Babe.

Time to play some Serani for this beautiful love story.


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Aareonakakanfo:
Hahaha! but funny enough,he has never been here tho He just likes you.

When he starts sending pms,then you know its time to run for your life

There's a romani on this forum who used to tag me on every single one of his posts till I had to tell him to stop

I used to get like 15 mentions from him per day

Lol

The psycho already sent me three PMs - homoerotic mofo.

I think the romanis are just mad at you cos of this thread. You're the alpha and omega of the thread, and it's only right that they send for you all the time. They admire what we're doing but they just don't know how to deal with it.

quimicababes:
waist be waist...them for UK go still be able to wine like d ones for d island.Mek u visit d island 2 pic up a babe nah if u insist...trini chics no be hard...if them like u...u go get tru lol .Serani be Jamaican.

And Trini chics are fine as fvck. Definitely need to visit the Island.

But how come you lot and Jamaicans have this crazy rivalry that if you call a Trini person a Jamaican, the person will just go nuts?

I always thought Serani's from one of the other Islands. Thanks for that.

His tune, "no games" is one of my favourite tunes from the Islands.

Aareonakakanfo:
Aaaarrrrrggh! you sef.I no call you stalker now.Ha!

Shymm3x help me speak with this woman oo

Lool.

quimicababes, the big Chief of Chiefs, aareonakakanfo is ready to pay ya bride price. Name ya price and be rest assured he'll pay it with Yoruba swag.

quimicababes and aareonakakanfo on the beach in Trinidad and Tobago.

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Aareonakakanfo:
Haha! I don't play it but I have friends who do.Its like a religion to them

As addictive as the forum is,it still depends on your schedule and the kind of job you do

The one comment thing happens to me too but most times I get mentions and I like to answer every single person who mentioned me

Snobs don't have to deal with that lol

They just look at their mentions and move on

Yes. But if you're the type that's always on the computer due to the nature of ya job - the forum is basically just one click away.

I think it's better to start ignoring these mofos. But crazy phaggots like "searching4schlongs" are difficult to ignore though. This mofo just follows me everywhere with amala in his mouth. Tired of the muthaphucka. If I could punch and stab that dyck-in-the-booty nyggah via the computer screen, I would've done that time ago.

quimicababes:
Lmaoooooo....u no dey miss nuttin 4 der nah.Them 4 UK go represent for us on d island nah

Nah, man ah waan ah proper trini fi Island tuh whine pon de rasta man lek ah carnival girlie.

Do you know Serani? I swear he's either Trini or Bajan - don't know which one though.

quimicababes:
Lmaooooooooo...it have trinis for UK...if u can find my fellow caribbean sisters I sure u can find trini 4 dey nah

Nah girlie, rasta ah waan da Trini pon de Island wif ah fresh rasclart Caribbean scent loool.

quimicababes:
aareonakakanfo...I think I dey see u for there and no wonder u say I no go see nada nah...but if dt be ur name..I remember a comment from dt name nah

Wagwan Trini girlie?

Yuh ah waan link rasta man with ah trini girlie? Lool

forgiveness:
Sir, First of all,education can't search out the existence of God. The only thing that proves the existence of God is the bible and the the history of Israel.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and God head; so that you are without excuse. Romans 1:29

Yes, consider how Israel was made and the power behind his existence until now despite the enemies surrounding them. Then you will know God used Israel to prove a point he exist and heaven and hell are real.

Biblical Israel or the modern day European Israel?

Aareonakakanfo:
Trust me,even on this thread,I lose morale a lot and there have been times when I felt like

"maaaaan let me just deactivate this account" but something keeps pulling me back

But at the end of the day, we can't be here forever.The time will come when you just lose interest completely

I might just take that break unexpectedly but I'll surely come back

I'm still working on trying to get DAWN in here and other south-west states so we know our voices are being heard.For now,everything is just on paper.

I'm getting bored of the fantasy league

Lool

Do you play fantasy football league? That ish is like playing lotto...I hate it with a passion lol.

The forum is just addictive like crack cocaine despite the fact that it is somewhat toxic sometimes. Do you know how many times I have logged on to post just one comment and mofos would drag you into unnecessary back and forth - and before you know it, you have spent five hours on the thread arguing loool.

Anyway, we need to enlighten our folks and learn from one another. This is our town hall meeting.

Aareonakakanfo:
Smh! Some people will complain about what we're talking about yet they'll be the one going off-point

Shymm3x so you wan leave me for here after december bah?

No tttink am.

Lool.

I say that all the time but I always end up coming back. But I'm gonna be a year older and I need to prioritise.

This forum is like that chic you have been with for a long time and you are so used to. Then she has an added value that every time you give her the Mutombo the soundtrack that comes to ya head is "best I ever had" and it is always fresh/new. You know sometimes you just wanna leave her and try something new - but every time you try, something is just gonna keep pulling you back to her. That is the story of nairaland.

Hopefully, as we proceed with this thread a lot of interesting topics will keep coming up. You are a star for creating this thread.

We need to get this thread to 150,000 views and 1,000 pages by December ending.

After that, I should be waving aurevoir to NL.

ttmacoy:
Calm down and look at it logically. Put aside sentiments because he is your friend. You say he had a gun because everything is hot everywhere, really? I lived in the UK over 10 years before moving to the US and I never had or know any one who had a gun so if he got a gun illegally then he committed an offence and is a criminal full stop.

I sympathize with him as your friend but that doesn't mean what he did is right.

Yes the UK have every right to send him back to Nigeria if he cannot get his act together and be a law abiding citizen so i don't get this entitlement mentality you have that the Nigerian government should not have accepted him.

What rights have they got to send him back when the environment created the monster and it wasn't like he killed someone - he was just protecting himself? London is even calmer now, but if you're from London during my era when London was Londonistan, especially certain areas, you can't escape it. The environment created the people and the onus is on the environment to reform them. At the end of the day, a lot of these people don't know anything about living in Nigeria and Nigeria never created what they became - why take them there?

I beat a few cases in my life and I'd say I'm one of few ones from my era who was able to live through it and survive with a clean record. Not cos I'm smarter than the rest, but cos I was lucky. But trust me, from age 16-21, it's difficult to escape a lot of things the environment created. And even if you tried - the needless threats to ya life will always want to make you do something. That's the story of the black man raised through the system in the UK. Who's to blame for it? - the system. So why make the people the system raised through that madness, who're meant to be victims, the villain and start treating them like animals with no rights whatsoever?

I don't even want to talk about it. And I can give you a long list of folks who grew up innocent but later became monsters - some are dead, some are in jail, some are running with criminal records, those who made it made it - while the rest have been deported to different countries. They need to stop victimising the victims and focus on changing the system that created them. I'll just leave it here.

tupacshakur:
Now, you got me! I ponder that too, you know. And I must tell you, I have no explanations for them.

I still marvel about how sex between males and females create another separate being. You know, just a meeting of microscopic sperm and ovum, and a child is conceived and born after 9 months.

But don't you think the being who designed that complex system was created by some other being. Now, who do you think that being is? Now you keep thinking and thinking till you can't think no more.

Are you saying you don't believe in the Abrahamic religions, the bible and the bibles' narration of the creation story? Those are the unconscious bases of your belief in a God, you know, even though you try so much to discredit them.

Obviously, every sane mind should know that the stories about creation in Abrahamic religions are basically just fables. The planet is older than 6,000 years old. So using their concept of a supreme being to question the existence of one - is wrong.

Anyway, since ponder on the complexities of creation and their interactions and, have no explanations for what everything is that. Don't you think it's better to credit the complexities to a supreme being that's greater than humanity, rather than deny the existence of one?

ttmacoy:
You want me to Cite example of minor deported alone or with parents?

I never said minors are deported alone but anyway have fun and don't insulting people simply because they disagree with you.

Brev, can you read? Everything I posited is self-explanatory but cos you talk more than you listen, or probably cos comprehension isn't ya forte you keep jumping everywhere.

A lot of you are just terrible human beings and the only thing you came on the thread for is basically to gloat over the mishap of others and laugh at their expense.

I've a friend who was sent to naij last year despite the fact that he has been in the UK from year 2 in school, as a kid. He also has a kid (had the kid at age 19). He was the only one born in naij in his family. All cos he was arrested with a firearm for trying to protect himself - due to how hot everywhere was. He was never an illegal immigrant but his legal status was revoked by the home office cos he was deemed a threat to the society. He paid his debt to the society. Finished Uni with a 2.1 degree and his probation officer certified that he had moved on from that lifestyle. Yet the home office kept troubling him. Even after his legal status was revoked, he went to court three times and he won, yet the home office kept re-appealing. Last year they just took him to Nigeria cos fvcking Nigerian government allowed it to happen.

The only thing that saved him was cos he also has an Irish passport his mum got from him time ago and he moved to America with that. If not for that he'd still be in Nigeria now. Regardless, he can't come to the UK to see his kid. And there are loads of people like him who have been messed up the same way.

Listen, I don't know what you want - just go away. And next time don't jump into every discourse to expose ya ignorance.

I'm out.