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Yieldings:
Shymmex!!! . *Drops her 3 purses and 5 shopping bags and runs to give him a big hug!!!

How are you and how have you been?

Yes, it's me =p. Thank you for the Christmas greetings. How sweet of you. *Gives him another big hug*. Merry Christmas to you too and a happy new year in advance. I hope this year has been a fulfilling, blessed, adventurous yet stress-free one for you. May next year be even better. May it bring you good luck, fortune and much success. Yes, I sent you Christmas & New Year's greetings last year. I'm pretty sure I emailed you but didn't hear back....

You haven't changed.

*Hugging my yield passionately* Thanks, luv.

Sorry about that. I seldom check that email address cos I don't reply PMs from random people on NL, unless I see an email alert from someone I've a rapport with on NL, on my profile. And I think I've deleted the handle connected to the email addy. But I'll shout you one of these days from my main email address. You're such a sweetheart.

Darn! You keep remixing ya handles like me. Don't tell me I've infected you with the P.diddy remix syndrome virus. Yieldings looks pretty cool and fresh - me likey.

Lol. You know I've to keep the legacy of Malcolm X alive, as a son of Malcolm. The movie "Malcolm X" by Spike Lee changed my life forever and being an "X" syndicate is the only way I can let the legacy of the great one live through me.

Sh0llypopz:
Again you have managed to shift the blame to black women. It's strange, how black men who claim to be leaders blame black women for everything going wrong in their community. It's so fvcking weird that a supposed leader/head doesn't understand that black women have it worse because not only do we have to deal with racism, we also have to deal with sexism.

I am not saying black women cant suffer from self hate but every time there is a thread highlighting the self-hate of a black man, you all somehow make it the black woman's fault. Who are you leading? What leader doesn't take responsibility for the failings of his community and his inability to protect his women.

As far as the bleach comment is concerned, black men play a huge role in that and you know it. Black men consider dating Beckys a "come-up." How many Yoruba songs are there about "Omo pupa", how many American songs are there about 'Red boned' chics? Look at hip-hop, look at the skin of the women that are glorified?
Nigerian artists especially, think they have made it when they start having white women and bi-racials in their videos.

I don't expect an honest reply when it comes to black men issues because you all are the kings of deflecting.

I can't even answer your questions because there are not stat to prove either claims. I would be glad if you could provide me a link to where the ridiculous assertions originate from.

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How can someone be a Nerfititi-wannabe? What does it even mean to be Nerfititi? Anyway, happy holidays to you too!

Thanks, I would totally check out the link. You all are really serious about this huh? I might even invite you to join my campaign when I run for office in Ekiti state.

1). How did I shift the blame to black women? My argument is about people taking responsibilities for their own actions and acknowledging the imperfections that make us human. So what’s the correlation between that and shifting blame to black women? If you think it’s worse being a black woman – you definitely need to walk in the shoes of the black man for just one day – to know how difficult it’s to be a black man in this white man’s world. Like the rastafarian old head I cotch with from time to time always say, “I think the problem with black women is that: they act like their pums don’t stink and the black man needs to put them on the altar and worship them”.

2). I’m sure you know your use of “can’t” shows you’re not assertive in accepting that black women suffer from self-hate, just as black men do. And rather than accept the obvious, you managed to shift the blame on black men. Are black men responsible for black women’s adoption of straight hair, in lieu their nappy hair, as the standard of beauty? The contemporary black woman is more Eurocentric in looks, appearance, mannerism, thought-process etc. than the average black man. Who’s to blame for that? I bet you would say the black man.

3). I don’t know any black guy who views dating a white chic as a come-up – they’re just anything, albeit less trouble in relationships. Err, there was a time when dark skinned black guys were winning – did that make light skinned black guys start tanning their skin? Now, it’s the season of light skinned black guys – do you see dark skinned black guys bleaching their skin, the same way black women do? The truth is that, most black women lead their lives trying too hard to consciously/subconsciously be like white women in appearance and almost everything. So why blame the black men who opt for the original – the snow bunnies – who’re comfortable in their skin and with less stress?

4). I think the soliloquy the OP posted as the preamble to the thread did state clearly that Nigerian men are also opting for Caribbean and African American women in droves. That’s enough stat for you to answer the honest questions I asked you. I asked you cos most of my uncles are happily married to non-Nigerian women and the few who married Nigerian women have separated from them – save for one. And it’s very common these days to see Nigerian men married to women from the Caribbean and other African countries. So the question is: what’s fundamentally wrong with Nigerian women and why are Nigerian men marrying non-Nigerian black women in droves?

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Nefertiti represents the queen of all queens – the powerful and strong black woman – and the mother of the boy king, King Tut. It represents the virtuous and cultured African woman. And I believe she used to be on ya DP. Why move from that to feminism, which is an European concept?

Serious about what? – hysterical. When have black people ever come together to achieve anything great in the modern era? Heck, even the civil rights movement and its achievement wasn’t solely a black achievement. Without the NAACP, which was created by Jews and white folks, MLK would’ve been another Malcolm X. Hence Jews and white women benefited more from the civil right laws than black folks. A cursory look at sub-saharan Africa should tell you that without the white man – black folks can never achieve anything on their own. Due to the enemies within and the treacherous cowards – and that was also the reason why the commonwealth thread on NL was destroyed. The black race is cursed – ask ya homie, Pleep the coon (this is his profile: https://www.nairaland.com/pleep . You can check what ya boy has been up to lately lool).

Anyway, the mini-forum isn’t about anything serious. We’re just trying to make it an encyclopedia for Yoruba history/culture/tradition and also a classroom/townhall-meeting to discuss the progress of Yorubaland/Yoruba-diaspora and also share knowledge.

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Sh0llypopz:
The second highlighted sentence makes my blood boil because women (especially black women) have always been raised to blame themselves for the shortcomings of the opposite sex. Women are raped because they weren't dressed properly, they were violently abused because they provoked the man with their tongue, their husbands cheated because they got fat and so on. My issue is this, at what point do you as a black man start to hold other black men to the same standard you hold your women? At what point do you tell your fellow kinsmen to take responsibilities for their actions?

Are you you trying to tell me that you are not aware of the self-hate a lot of black men have? A Nigerian man who has no problem beating his wife would hesitate when it comes to hitting Becky because he knows Becky's rights are protected. Moreover, Becky also has white privilege. He knows that white men would never tolerate a black man hitting one of their women. Na straight to jail. We black women do not have that. Our men are "endangered species", there is no one to protect us.

Black women are raised tough. We are raised to be strong, we are raised to "hold down" our men. We are raised to not focus on "silly" things like romance but be prepared to protect our men because they already have it rough. So, we suffer in silence. We reduce our expectations and we grow up to be women who coddle their sons but hard on their daughters. It's so sad, we are expected to understand the black man, to not call the police on him because a lot of black men are in jail. Yet, these same black men become yes men to Beckys because Beckys have something that black women do not? Like what Shy?

1). The same way you believe “black women have always been raised to blame themselves for the shortcomings of the opposite sex” is the same way a lot of black men believe black men are raised to blame themselves for all the shortcomings of the world – hence black men are disproportionately targeted/stereotyped and, as a black man, you always have to work twice as hard and try to be what you’re not, to achieve certain things. And that looks like a bigger baggage to carry if you ask me. However, that doesn’t negate the fact that imperfection is what makes you all human. So when are women (especially black women) going to start taking responsibilities for whatever reaction they get due to their actions? A lot of things that happen in relationships/marriages follow the Newton’s 3rd law of equal and opposite action-reaction force pairs. That’s just how it’s.

Honestly, I don’t know what “standard” you’re alluding to cos cases women being raped due to indecent dressing isn’t peculiar to just black/Nigerian men. It’s a universal thing. I’m sure you’ve read the background story to “Slutwalk” and how it started. That has nothing to do with black men, does it? Domestic violence is one of most rampant crimes/offences in the UK and the overwhelming majority of the victims are white women, with white spouses/partners. I checked the most rampant crimes/offences in Japan a few days ago during a discourse with someone and domestic violence is also rife in the country. Are black/Nigerian men also responsible for that? And women in general are just as promiscuous as men, albeit they’re more pretentious about it due to societal standards. So cheating has absolutely nothing to do with gender and, more to do with men being more prone to getting caught in the act, due to how careless most men are.

Basically, it’s just a breakdown in the society and both genders contributed to it – not one group. And I believe we all have to start taking responsibilities for the role(s) we played in the collapse – rather than apportioning blames everywhere – while absolving one group.

2). Self-hate isn’t synonymous to just black men – black women are just as guilty, if not more. Hence the average black woman has no problem whatsoever bleaching her skin; replacing her nappy hair with straight hair; accepting feminism though it doesn’t cater to her culturally; and has this nauseating way of always using white men as the standard to compare black men, despite the nuances between the two groups culturally. Regardless, I think the reason why the relationship between black men and white women is seldom violent most times is cos white women in general have this innate fear of black men, due to the image out there and they aren’t as belligerent as black women. With white women, once they see you’re on the edge – they know how to cower and defuse tension. Unlike black women who would be in ya face till you’re provoked to react. And white women also know how to be appreciative of every little thing. Appreciation goes a long in showing care and feeling wanted. When you fvck a white woman the right way, she’s going to show appreciation by saying, “thank you”. Ditto almost the good deeds you do. Whereas in most cases, you can never please a black woman and nothing is ever good enough.

Evidently, from the outside looking in, you would think it’s all about “Becky's rights are protected” by “white privilege”. However, it’s deeper than that. In most cases, it’s about a man finding peace within and his partner – thus making him reciprocate the gesture based on Newton’s 3rd law. Black women also have this uncanny way of exerting the law of inertia on black men.

3). Before you turn this into a racial thing, while obfuscating the fact that the OP did cite Caribbean and African American women, who’re also black – I want you answer the following questions:

i). How come Nigerian men tend to be happier in relationships with other black women compared to Nigerian women?
ii). Why are Nigerian men always eager to date/marry black women of other nationalities, in lieu of Nigerian women – whereas black men of other nationalities seldom date/marry Nigerian women?

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Anyway, before I forget, merry xmas and a prosperous new year to you in advance, Ms. Sholly PumPum. It's 3 years now and I've seen the transformation, from being a Nefertiti wannabe, to an ultra-feminist. Regardless, you're the homie and you always have my back like the verizon man.

Sh0llypopz:
@Vivalavida99, self-hate also plays a part. BTW, I don't think the number of Nigerian men married to white women is noteworthy. A lot of Nigerian men in diaspora still keep it African because they know only African women will tolerate their rubbish.

[b]shymm3x

I don’t know but I think the OP is just exaggerating from the outside looking in. From the soliloquy she posted, you can deduce that whatever observations she made was never done with an open mind. And that’s evident in the stereotypical tripe she posited about Nigerian men being “overbearing,
controlling, and paternalistic”. When making observations – you have to do it with an open mind, devoid of bitterness and unnecessary assumptions. I can say all Nigerian chics are utterly disrespectful and they don’t know how to talk/act, hence anyone dealing with them would’ve to firmly demand respect – to get it. But if I were to use that premise as the background to study the interactions/relationships between Nigerian women and non-Nigerian men – would I be able to get a perfect picture?

Yes, there are Nigerian men who’re “overbearing, controlling, and paternalistic”. However, all Nigerian men aren’t the same. Background, experience(s), environment, beliefs et al play significant roles in the way people interact with other people. Just cos everyone with a particular nationality falls under the “Nigerian men” umbrella/tag – that doesn’t mean everyone’s the same. People naturally treat other people the way the treated by returning the energy they receive. That’s the subconscious effect of action and reaction. And in some cases, it’s about treating people how they want to be treated – but it has to be reciprocal.

Now back to the issue about Nigerian men marrying foreign women in droves and treating them like trophies. I think it’s basically overblown cos most Nigerian men are naturally predisposed to marry someone from the same background/ethnicity/nationality. We as human beings feel more comfortable being around what we’re accustomed to. Then you have the subconscious role the image of the mother plays in the type of woman most men are attracted to. So the average Nigerian guy will always be inclined to courting/marrying a Nigerian chic. Even when there’s no connection whatsoever and their mentality doesn’t align with the idiosyncrasies associated with the average Nigerian chic (connection is very important in courtship/marriage cos that’s the pillar in which understanding stands on). And perhaps, the few Nigerian guys who have been able to suppress the inclination made their choice based on connection, regardless of race/ethnicity/background/nationality. The lack connection might be the reason why a lot of relationships/marriages between Nigerian men and Nigerian women are problematic, while the relationships/marriages between Nigerian men and foreign women continue to blossom.

Regardless, this type of topic is just boring. Folks need to start taking responsibilities for their own actions and whatever reaction they get – and stop moaning. Once you learn how to give out the right energy, you’ll start getting the same energy back in return. If Nigerian men are putting foreign women on a pedestal, it shows foreign women have things Nigerian women fundamentally lack. And perhaps it’s high time they started looking in the mirror and making amends to whatever reflection they see.

Yieldings:
Chunky cutie pie.

Is this yield?

I think I forgot to send you xmas and new year wishes last year and I think you'd send me a few wishes. But cos I was juggling two handles, I don't think I replied. And perhaps that's why we never really chatted this year. My bad.

Anyway, merry xmas (I used "X" cos I'm an "X" syndicate and my beliefs about this time of the year aren't conventional) and a prosperous new year in advance to you. Hopefully, the new year would bring loads of great things to your life. And as you continue ya journey in life, into the new year, I wish you all the best and may the most high in his infinite mercy/grace grant you all ya heart desires.

Shalom.

sukkot:
i hear ya. me myself i use marks and spencer when i want to get bread. they have the best wholemeal seeded bread. and asda for juice and tesco just for anything really. yeah i used to eat pork but havent had it in over a decade now. am tryna be a vegetarian but african food just dont look good without meat lol

I defo. need to M&S out for their bread. Anyway, I just listed the stores I go to for proper weekend shopping. But for random shopping - I use any supermarket chain I can find.

You need to try Morrisons' roasted pork - a trial will convince you. I'm not even meant to be eating pork cos I don't do beef too tough. But their pork is just so nice that most times when I go there to get chicken, I always end up buying some. I'm not a vegetarian and define not a muslim - but the diet I'm on cos of gym doesn't align with pork and beef. I think the reason why I'm able indulge in it is cos of my body metabolism and how fat never stays in my body regardless of what I eat. That's the luxury I've. I eat a lot of junk food as well.

Most times when I eat African food, I use fish. I seldom order for African food with meat.

sukkot:
ok talk about my pops back and we are even. geeezzzz

oh word ? food shopping and sports ? where you get your grocery at ? marks and spencer ? sainsbury ? or just any store you are in the vicinity of ?

Not interested in talking about ya pops.

It depends on what I'm getting. I do ASDA for juice and frozen food. Morrisons for roasted food cos they're head and shoulders above the rest when it comes to roasted chicken and pork (I do eat pork from time to time). And Co-op for fruits, especially bananas (their bananas taste better).

sukkot:
whatever dude. get over your butthurt and lets move on. dude what happening saturday night ? party, clubs ?

I'm not butthurt - but don't talk about my pops. That is a line you shouldn't cross when I've got a rapport with you. I don't mess with my family.

I'm cotching - just food shopping and sports.

sukkot:
buahahaha is that OBJ's pops ? he looks exactly like obj. by the way OBJ is not my uncle, i was just making a point with saying he is my uncle.

Lool.

Stop flip-flopping everywhere. Stay in one place.

He's ya uncle and he was sired by an Igbo man. Evidently, you've got that emotional biafran blood in you, hence you got emosh when I called the gorilla by his name.

sukkot:
and i repeat, try to be consistent. you dont want people to talk about your father, dont talk about other peoples father. i swear you may have igbo in you. you are emotional. me ? you can talk about my father and mother all you want, i dont care cuz its just talk. you are emotional like a biafran. are you sure you are ijebu ? cuz ijebu are cool calm and collected people

You're an idiot and a fvcking cu.nt.

Who got emotional cos I said OBJ is a gorilla and started talking about my pops? You're reta.rded beyond redemption and you have got this crazy way of pushing ya messed up mental dissonance on people.

Nah. Since OBJ is ya uncle and it's well known that his pops was an Igbo man - I won't be surprised if you were sired by an Igbo man as well. And it's evident in how you got emotional when I called OBJ a gorilla.

I don't care about ya relationship with ya father and mother - just don't cross that line with me. I abused a public figure, deal with it and stop getting emotional cos he's ya uncle by bringing private citizens into it.

And nah, Ijebu people don't take shiit from losers - we're not cowards and we tell you how we straight to ya face. When you see Awolowo, Wole Soyinka, Abraham Adesanya, Tai Solarin et al - those are quintessential Ijebu warriors who never held their tongues for suckers.

Are you sure you're not related to this Igbo man who sired OBJ (picture is attached)?

https://www.jaguda.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Front_460803865-300x150.jpg

sukkot:
he is a legend only in your mind. the world has moved on. heck if you ask kids today who kurtis blow or grandmaster flash is, they will look at you like you are crazy. talk less of che. i repeat, your mind is playing tricks on you

Why compare Kurtis Blow and Grandmaster Flash to Che Guevara? What do they have in common?

Are you alright mentally at all?

sukkot:
[b]come on dude, fair is fair. i like people to be whatever they are right down the middle. thats what you call a principled man. i dont expect someone who calls other peoples uncles and fathers gorilla to get emotional when someone talks about their family. thats a double minded man and you know what the bible says about a double minded man right ? they are unstable in all their ways. pick a side and stick with it. you dont want people to insult your family so dont insult the family of others. your reasons for choosing to insult the family of others is fickle simply because we dont know if your own family is a stand up family - the only reason we are not hearing about the shortcoming of your family is because they are not in the public eye. point being, i respect a man who picks a side and sticks with it. what you are doing is what girls too. i will cuss out people but dont cuss my own family. thats some weak stuff brah. be principled. choose not to cuss elders out and people can respect when you dont want them to cuss elders in your family cuz they know this is a strong principle you have.[/b]

You have lost ya darn mind.

No. I didn't get emotional. You got emotional cos OBJ is ya uncle, hence you sent for my pops. All I did was tell you that you crossed the line and know when you should shut ya gob.

Once you become a public figure to serve the public - you're no longer owned by just ya family, you have become public property and all is fair. Can't you understand that? And once you fail in ya responsibility to the public while destroying what you're meant to oversee - you're open to all kinds of attack. OBJ is a gorilla, a rogue, and a curse - that's his public image. Deal with it.

I'm sure you also cursed out Doyin Okupe when he was in GEJ's government and you'd curse GEJ as well. So why are you crying over OBJ? Fvck OBJ.

sukkot:
am telling ya brah, i have never heard anyone call che guevaras name in any modern day revolution. he aint that popular or known. trust me

Loool.

Who was on the t-shirts students wore during the last student protests in the UK? Who was on the t-shirts folks wore during the Iranian revolution? Who was on the t-shirts folks wore when the "Arab spring" started in Egypt and Tunisia? Who did Nelson Mandela describe as "An inspiration for every human being who loves freedom"? Etc.?

He isn't popular, yet gazillion of folks keep using his image everywhere, even in popular culture. You done lost ya cotton picking mind.

Check this link out for better education and stay away from constellations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara_in_popular_culture

sukkot:
promise to stop calling my distant uncle , obasanjo a gorilla. he my family

listen brah, its nothing personal. we cool peeps. learn never to take anything i say personal. i am always clowning. keep that in mind and you will see nothing i say is intended to be negative. hey if i cant clown around with my main nigga Shymmexx then who can i clown with right ?

Doyin Okupe is my distant family from my mum's side - the same family tree. And I'd curse him out a few times on here and I never cursed no one's family out on here for calling him by his name cos he's a failure. Once you're a public figure and you failed in ya responsibilities as a man and a public servant - all is fair. Learn to respect that.

My pops is my pops and the reason for my existence. I don't mess with my pops. And he's a private citizen. So don't bring my pops into anything. Once you start doing that, you've crossed the line.

You made it personal cos OBJ is ya distant uncle, by talking about my pops who's a private citizen - I didn't.

sukkot:
in your mind he is. all this global revolution going on with boko-haram and isis and biafra and all the militant revolutions in the world, how many times was che guevara mentioned or his flag flown ? ZERO TIMES its all in your deluded mind brah lol. you are euphoric and melancholic

Loool.

Who's the common figure on t-shirts folks wear during protests?

And why drag boko haram and ISIS into this? The constellation crap has messed up ya brain cells. Stick to star signs and waiting for Jesus to come back in 2016. And stop disturbing sane folks. You're a nutjob.

sukkot:
obviously some things are beyond your comprehension level and we keep going in circles so we shall agree to disagree.

Nah. You're the one who isn't sync with the realities of life and ya existence cos you're so caught up in constellations and ya mentality is just as medieval as those stuck in naij who thrive in subconsciously being perpetual serfs and lauding mediocrity and non-achievements. Then again, I seldom meet naij folks (even those who left the cesspit time ago) who don't think like serfs. It's either they love slaving to white folks, religion, or the same losers in who made their lives miserable - while running around touting non-achievements as something to be lauded. So it isn't shocking.

1). Learn how to respect my opinions and don't force ya mentality on me. Yes, I find ya constellation crap amusing - hence I call it celestial message. The comic relief is decent but know when to stop. And I also like the fact that you're one of the few folks who know a bit about world history and as a history buff - I like that. Then the patois thing. However, don't force all the other crap on me. I'm not one of the clowns who cares for the constellation tripe about world war 3 starting with some star signs aligning, some Jesus who was a mythical figure coming back next year when with some stars start aligning, or some losers who ought to be stoned being great men.

2). In whatever we talk about - keep my family out of it. I've a decent rapport with you and I don't bring ya family into anything, learn how to do that as well. And keep private people out of public issues. All is fair when you become a public figure and I'll say whatever the fvck I want to say and how I want to say it, when it comes to any public figure. Live with it. If you don't like it - you'll have to blow ya brains off like Kurt Cobain. You can get ya jaw broken for talking reckless about my family. My family represents my existence and journey in life - I don't mess around with my family. Respect that.

3). I don't know you or anyone off this forum. So don't create some nonsense in ya head that isn't in sync with anything and try to fit me into it. While telling me who I'm. You lot just come on the internet, read a few posts and start thinking you know them cos you over-analyse things that should be taken with face value. Hence a lot of you always get scammed on here. Deal what you see and stop trying to solve a mystery you wouldn't even be able to solve even if you were to stand next to me 24/7.

4). Don't force Nigerian losers on me. I don't give two fvcks about OBJ, Tinubu, and Buhari. They don't inspire me.

sukkot:
go to every malcolm x videos on youtube ? they all max out at about 1 million views and the videos have been there for a decade. and i am sure most viewers are people like me who have watched the same video like 5 times meaning in actuality its just like 200 thousand views. now go to gangnam style video and its 1 billion views. are you starting to appreciate that malcolm x is a figure only popular in the militant and conscious circles ? in your mind he is very popular so you think your mind is a perception of the whole world, but his popularity is only in your head.

Che Guevara has less views on YouTube. However, how does that negate the fact that he is the face of revolution globally?

sukkot:
[b]and i repeat, obj is producing food. thats a good thing. for some reason you cant seem to fathom that there are civilizations or countries or cities where food ran out. its called famine. pray to God that you never get to experience famine in your life. people who have experienced famine know the value of having mass food producers like obasanjo in their countries. who cares what he does with his profit ? the fact is he mass produces food. like i said he produces 100 million plus eggs everyday on his farm. meaning from his farm alone half the population of nigeria can have fried egg for breakfast. now if you cant see value in a man like that then you got some serious mental issues that need working on. you need to see a shrink


and like i said, elijah is a grown man who can sleep with whomever he wants. he is not committing any crimes or breaking any laws. is he morally bankrupt ? yes but that is not a crime



and with regards to malcolm, i suggest you do an experiment and ask people if they know malcolm, you will find out many will draw a blank. this experiment has been performed in america amongst blacks and half of them didnt know who malcolm was. if you want the video i will post it. you seem to think he is very popular because you like him alot. you are projecting what you know on the world and thats the problem. cuz you know him you think he is a popular person [/b]

Listen, fam - like I said earlier, you are not in sync with the realities of the world. And you still have that backward primitive naij mentality that is about glorifying losers cos of power and crumbs.

1). I correlated a perfect example to show how flawed and destructive ya logic is, yet you keep trifling the same tosh, albeit with a different paint. No matter what colour you paint a Ford Fiesta - that won't change what it is. There is absolutely no good deed in a business meant for profit.

Let me even throw a next context into it. If OBJ's farming business is as productive as you want us to believe, how come Nigeria still imports most of its food needs? Tesco alone for example can feed the whole of the U.K., without inputs from other food chains. And Tesco isn't doing anyone any favours whatsoever. So how OBJ, despite the billions he stole and all the lands he confiscated from poor folks, can't build something like Tesco in naij to feed the country and negate the reliance on imported food? At least that will boost the country's economy and help the effed up naira a bit? So why are you alluding to an inconsequential crap that can't even cater to 1/100 of Nigerians, as something to be lauded?

2). But why was Malcolm X's brother expelled by the same Elijah Muhammad for the same crime and subsequently ostracised from his brother? I put it to you that Elijah Muhammad should have expelled himself for committing the same offence he expelled other people for. A leader has to lead by example, there is no two way about it. Only those with effed up mentality who love being serfs would think otherwise.

3). I don't need to ask no one. I have been discussing Malcolm X with all kinds of people for years and I have never met anyone who doesn't know who Malcolm X is. But who knows ya Buhari outside naij?

sukkot:
never said he was giving back. i said he is producing food. selective hearing is your problem chief

and elijah mohammed is a grown man, he can sleep with whomever he wants to and thats nobodys business. is he a hypocrite ? yes. but thats his business.

and you like to think malcolm x is a figure known worldwide. thats very wrong. nobody knows malcolm x outside of america. you may get a few people outside america who know him. but ask any white person in europe who malcolm x is and they will look at you like you are crazy. he is a black hero known by blacks in america. i myself didnt know who he was until i saw spike lees movie. ok, thats how popular he is. so dont go pumping up the man now.. he not on buharis level. ok maybe he and buhari are on the same level but he is not as popular as you think he is

Lol. You are the gift that keeps on giving. I don't think you think outside the box - you're just some confused guy that found solace in constellations. But hey, you are still my doozy and I like ya knowledge of history but ya mentality is just as effed up as the mentality of those in Africa whose brain cells have been fried by excessive heat and corroded by the polluted air lol. You need to detox, trust me.

1). You clearly started that what OBJ is doing represents good deeds and he is giving back. Why shift goal post now that you have been exposed? And why cite his name as an example of someone giving back? You are just grasping at straws.

Anyway, I put it to you that if you think OBJ is giving back by virtue of his farming business, then white folks are also paying reparations to Africans for how they destroyed black people by exporting food to the continent for profits. That is ya logic.

2). So you expect a leader not to lead by example, no? Yet you wonder why Africa is effed with this type of medieval mentality. I see you also omitted where I alluded to Malcolm X's brother getting expelled from the organisation for the same offence and how Malcolm X was forced to disown his own brother.

3). That is the problem with you. You get so caught up in ya constellation crap that you always confuse me with some villager living in naij - and not someone from the UK. Nobody knows Malcolm X outside America, yet there is an organisation called "Sons of Malcolm" in the UK run by an Indian guy, no? Who do most people quote apart from Che Guevara when they're talking about revolution? There is hardly any white person who doesn't know about Malcolm X, though some of them think he was racist. However, who knows ya Buhari outside Nigeria?

Just stop comparing a dull cow jockey who can barely express himself to an icon who stood for something and died for what he believed in.

sukkot:
i dont think you hear me clearly though. i said i like what he is doing with his farm. leave all that other extra stuff out of the equation. thats your own baggage. i am zoning in on his farm activities. can we do that ?

as for elijah mohammed ? thats his own cross he has to carry when his God comes calling for him to repay his debt. that is not malcolms problem. getting bent out of shape cuz another man is yanshing and then snitching to the white media is ludicrous. he basically tried to kill a fly with a sledge hammer. and snitching is putting someones private business out in public.

and with regards to who is buhari and who knows him ? well there are over 200 countries in the world. yet only 20 presidents made the illuminati economist cover for what significant things will happen in the world in 2016. guess who was on it ? check out the nigga on the extreme right

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If you think a man doing business is giving back, would you also agree with me in the same context that European countries exporting food to African countries are also paying reparations to Africans, by virtue of exporting food to the continent? That is ya logic laid bare.

Why was Elijah Muhammed sleeping with teenage girls despite being married despite the fact that it was against the doctrine of NOI? What happened to leading by example as the head of an organisation? Don't forget that Malcolm X's brother was also kicked out of the NOI for the same reason and he was forced to disown him by the same organisation. So why should Elijah Muhammad be treated differently? Moreover, Elijah Muhammad's son was the one who broke the news to the media, not Malcolm X. X just answered the questions they asked him after leaving the organisation due to the smear campaign by the NOI to tarnish his image for leaving them.

Was Malcolm X perfect? Absolutely not. But he did lead a righteous life after his journey in righteousness started and he kept evolving, till he was killed. He stood for something and sacrificed his life for what he believed him. Buhari doesn't even know what he wants. He always look dumb, dull, and lacklustre. Don't compare the two.

GEJ was on the cover last year, how many people talk about GEJ today? In a few years time no one will remember GEJ. And no one cares about Buhari. But Malcolm X died over 50 years ago and his light has continued to shine across the global. His name will never die cos he is that influential lol.

sukkot:
i dont worship people. i leave that to the spiritually dead. i worship YAH the creator. and yes i like what obasanjo is doing with his farm cuz he produces tonnes of food annually for the country by himself-i dont care if he is keeping the profit. the point is food is available.

and concerning malcolm x, dont go over-romanticizing the nigga. yeah he was a great orator and a principled man but he just never knew when to keep quiet and he was too stiff in his principles. some things in life you just have to look over. he got bent out of shape because his boss had 2 teenage girlfriends and then went to start blabbing to the white media about it. listen the man is a snitch. point is he has his own shortcomings just like everyone else so dont go romanticizing him and thinking buhari is not on his level. buhari is the president of the most populous black nation in the world and is just as strict and as disciplined as malcolm x so i think they can be compared side by side

If you think OBJ's doing the right thing after the destroying the country, robbing it blind, and he's using the lands he stole from poor folks to further enrich himself. Why are you mad at white folks for robbing Africa blind cos they also produce some of the food that feeds Africa, they give Africa aids, and a lot of white folks donate funds to help starving African kids? Ya logic right there - typical Nigerian mentality.

But was Elijah Muhammad right for impregnating teens, despite preaching against it? And wasn't the news already in the media before Malcolm X answered the questions they asked him about it? I guess you don't know who/what a snitch is.

Lmao @ Buhari being the president of the most populous country in the country. Who knows Buhari and Nigeria's former leaders apart from Nigerians? Heck, most folks of Nigerian descent outside Nigeria don't even know who Buhari is, ditto all other past Nigerian leader. I'm sure there are also tons of villagers in Nigeria who don't even know who Buhari is. But billions of people know who Malcolm X is and he's an inspiration to hundreds of millions of people worldwide. Peep the difference.

sukkot:
but i think you are getting your wires crossed here. i have absolutely no love or respect for any nigerian politician. i think they are all scumbags. however what i tried to do was look for the best of the scumbags and focus on their good deeds. you never hear me shouting about obasanjo or any other politician in nigeria. the only politician you will hear me vouching for and who i can almost equate to malcolm x level would be buhari. so dont mistake my defense of some of their deeds as my reverence for them.

Brev, you're just everywhere running around like those Hebrew Israelites and their torah on the streets of Harlem.

Just admit that you still have the typical Nigerian mentality that makes folks worship losers, despite your posturing with celestial consciousness and out of the box mentality.

There's no good deed in any business that's for profiteering, regardless of the sector. As long as you're profiting off it, you've to be shrewd. So OBJ isn't giving back to no one. Even the land where his farm is located was stolen from poor folks. So fvck that nyggah.

And stop putting losers from Nigeria in the same sentence as Malcolm X. Buhari has nothing in common with Malcolm X. Just let Buhari be Buhari.

sukkot:
you know, adore is different from respect. you can respect a bad guy but you adore a good guy. its two different words chief. al capone is respected in many circles but he was a bad guy. but i am sure nobody adores him

You're the one who seem confused in context.

You lauded OBJ for what you perceive as his "good" deeds, not cos of his notoriety, which's why folks respect Al Capone.

Suffice to say, you adore OBJ.

Don't put that loser in the same sentence as Malcolm X. He has more in common with Al Capone, apart from being a treacherous coward and a CIA informant.

sukkot:
i can definitely respect that. me myself i look up to malcolm x also. one heck of a man he was

How can you look up to Malcolm X and still adore losers like OBJ and Tinubu?

Brev, you're confused as hell.

sukkot:

Lool.

I know you're trolling.

You better don't let the trolling get into ya head and go make you run ya mouth to a white boy that will beat you to stupor.

I remember some naij guy who thought he was bad was to put to sleep for about 45 mins by some white boys in the British army.

If you're not road a bit and don't have the looks that will make them at least fear you a bit, don't run ya mouth to white boys from certain areas. A lot of them don't mess around. They'll beat you like a thief.

sukkot:
you would get a couple who deviate from the norm but the majority find it hard to break away from their innate default setting

yup i hear ya but the role models dont exist anymore. all these niggas created today are stone cold crazy and demonic lol

So the couple who deviated from the norm are the ones I'll always adore - not losers.

And you have to respect that.

sukkot:
well around 2000 i was at walworth road. just a stone throw from bermondsey. i ventured into bermondsey a number of times by myself. all em white boys saw me and ran lol. they know where the power is at

Bwaahahahahahaha

You ventured into Bermondsey by yourself from Walworth and the white boys ran, no? - hysterical. I think Kevin Hart has competition.

Once you cross Old Kent rd. back in the day, to the other side to Bermondsey and you go deep into their territory. If ya arse doesn't get whooped, especially once it's past 7pm, then you're a lucky guy.

Tell ya porkies to those in Lagos, not me.

sukkot:
all am saying is, its hard for a nigga to deviate from his innate nature. thats all am saying. any part of the world you look, the nigga is always trying to bling and to show out. hard to deviate from whats inside you

But how come someone like Malcolm X was different despite being from the background he came from?

It's about being principled. Fair enough majority of nyggahs are like that. However, that doesn't mean we've to celebrate losers and accept failure as our reality. We need to start looking towards the few different ones as role models.

sukkot:
i been all em places. i used to live beside bermondsey. walworth road camberwell is near bermondsey. no white boys tried me. they see me and quickly start looking at their shoes. they know i aint nothing to mess with. they see the wrath of God in my eyes. when they see me they start shaking like a jelly. am telling ya shymmexx

Lool.

What year did you live in Bermondsey and what part of Bermondsey?

Bermondsey boys of the era never used to come to Walworth, Camberwell, and Peckham axis cos they know that's the black axis. And it was war back then.

So you have to tell me what year you lived there.

sukkot:
so what are you comparing yourself to awolowo now ? is that what you are saying here ? cuz the shymmex i know will be sitting on 2 oyel blocs if he became president. you will be worse than theophilus danjuma

Shifting goal post again.

isn't it funny that you think you exist out of the box, in ya own world, and in ya own head - yet you're always quick to put people you don't know in a box you created in ya own head? Is that the celestial way of doing things?

sukkot:
shyttt i been to essex. ilford and romford and all em places. em white boys know where the power is at. they always give me props when they see me. they know where the power is at. they always give me the pound

Loool.

Come to Ockendon and Tilbury and run ya mouth.

You better don't go mess around with white boys that will kill you like it's nothing, especially the pikeys. Essex boys are perpetual yobs and even in their 50s and 60s, they still do heavy lifting at the gym with tattoos all over their heads. They'll beat you like a thief.

Even white boys from Bermondsey aren't nothing to play with.