₦airaland Forum

distributeinc:
Ijaws are peasant fishermen, all you guys know is to break pipelines, killing your marine and farm lands, all your old women and children are drinking crude oil for water, to show how dumb and mindless you peasants are...don't forget how you begged to enter the territory, paying taxes to the Oba to fish and settle in the region. You are a slave born, and it shows in your mentality. I can't go into banter with a slave.

And you think the guy you are insulting is Ijaw Why??

19 years old keh.. Thunder finger your Nyansh there??

fero007:
Because as we in SS have said many times without number( apparently to the deaf ears of the major tribes)LANGUAGE DOES NOT SOLELY DETERMINE A TRIBE OR ETHNIC GROUP, non-SSners don't want to accept this fact and that is why they can't argue and abuse to infinity that itsekiri is Yoruba and ikwerre n ukwani are igbo

Well, epie pepo r ijaws cuz they want to be ijaws, if that doesn't sound sensible try n study more on what makes a group of people a tribe/ethnic group, its the only way ull understand the south south and north central tribes

Thank you my man

fero007:
only itsekiri n urhobo? wat of ogoni, Ibibio, oron, ndokwa, isoko, ikwerre

Yes you're correct

Southernminorit:
but why is the language Edo? Were there ancestors Edo or ijaw? Please answer this

They ancestors are mixed, Edo Immigrants coming into Ijaw land to mix with the native elements. Anyway the Origin of a lot of pure ijaw themselves point to Benin city as well as them having historical links with Oduduwa especially those of Western Izon stalk and even kalabari of Eastern Ijaw. Go study the history of Benin city it self and it's inhabitants from time imemomorial not Edo o! Benin City. And sorry for insulting you on my first reply. Ijaw history would however not be complete if you don't mention Benin city, Edo, Yoruba, Igbo, and of course it's neighbours Itshekiri and Urhobo.

Southernminorit:
but 70% of the words can be interpreted in Edo language, how is that possible?

They culture is purely Ijaw and even the language it self a large part is greatly derived from Izon.

Southernminorit:
This language is pure edoid language so why is ijaw claiming them?

If we look at things critically edoid language dominate the present Edo and delta state even bayelsa and river state.

Stop talking out of your ass man. Epie is Ijaw forget that language thing.

onyeopobo:
Nengi, the difference between your comparison and the situation in Bayelsa state is that. All igboic subgroups can actually communicate using their native dialect with each other, with lowest comprehension levels at somewhere between 30% to 40% because the really are speaking igbo language with a weirder tone and maybe more slangs whereas when some of the communities that call theirselves ijaw today speak, to some other ijaws, they might have been speaking arabic or chinese as NOTHING IS INTELLIGIBLE> That's what he's saying.

The best way to solve this would be to pick one of the ijoid languages as the central one and then force everyother community that claims to be ijoid to teach it in school and require it as a requirement for getting any job in ijaw land. But I don't think that would be possible, because the New Ijaw today is a political union...most the people within that umbrella would never accept that their core identity be thrown away for another man's.

Most of the people claiming ijaw are doing it so as not to make their community a minority in nigeria, and some would prefer to say that they are ijaw so the northeners and westerners don't accuse them of being igbo. Ijaw is now the fastest growing tribe in Nigeria, and it's not because the Izon women are delivering 20babies per family. In 1999, Ijaw tribe was about the same as the Isoko tribe. Today, those claiming Ijaws are now over 10 times the isoko and will continue to grow. We are waiting for the Ogoni people to declare that they are ijaws too and possible Isoko too, maybe one day the benin people and most other south-south. Slowly Ijaw will be the biggest Nigerian tribe. But atleast we all understand that lies underneath it all.

Somehow this your comment is funny to me. But it's true shaa.

Bayelsa is not throughly a Homogenous State. If I'm from Bayelsa from Yenagoa where I've lived all my life I'm a true Yenagoa Blood although I now stay in Uyo where I school. first of all Ijaw is like a Political Umbrella forged to point a group of Ethnic groups that shares Boundaries, Ancestry, and Cultural ties some of them even linguistic. In Bayelsa they include Izon, who they have been calling Core Ijaw because they supposedly are the purest of Ijaws with no Admixture, these group still has dialectical differences within them. The other major linguistic group is the Nembe, Akassa, Brass group they occupy the eastern coast of Bayelsa state near Kalabari and Okrika in Rivers hencwthey linguistic intelligibility. the other group is Ogbia, these group speak a language close to those of Cross river state, they occupy Ogbia local government, they're v the majority but there is a small Igbo subgroup there the Ogba. the next is the Epie-Atissa of Yenagoa these two groups speak an Edoid language ridden with Ijaw Elements , Accent, pronunciation, my mom's from these group in Amarata Yenagoa. the next albeit smaller is the Zarama, where my dad is from who speak an Edoid language Still with Ijaw elements but lesser than its Epie cousins its more closer to Engenni and Degema of Rivers . then the Okodia and Buseni who speak very different Ijaw dialects which the Izon can't understand. The other groups that are not included in the Ijaw group are the Urhobo and the Isoko of Sagbama and some Igbo groups there also in sagbama too then the Ogba Igbo in Ogbia. We are also having a lot of Immigrants coming into Bayelsa from Yoruba to Igbo to Ibibio and Hausa and have a lot of Non Indigenes Naturalized in Bayelsa as it is.all together statistics say there are 11 languages in Bayelsa, you might ask how we understand each other, we do so by speaking pure Core Niger delta pidgin, not as pure as the warri brand but still pure compared to others and it has been creolized and Nativized in Yenagoa particularly with many of us not knowing how to speak our tribes languages. Anyway whether this SSG guy is Igbo or Ijaw it doesn't matter all that matters is he's Nigerian. lon

Excaperx:
are their language ijoid or edoid?

The language is Edoid, with Ijaw lexicons all over it along with Ijaw pronunciations and accents, although its pronunciations are very close to Urhobo Isoko

Born2Breed:
In Edo

Wow

Excaperx:
Are these people Edo

No they're Ijaws but they migrated from Benin city tho

jolo26:
and who told u warri belong to the Ijaws? Even the supreme Court has long ban the Ijaws from taking any land case about warri to Court. Warri belong to the Itsekiri not ijaws

And who told you he's Ijaw in the first place??

Excaperx:
During GEJ regime, they were everywhere making mouth. Bla bla bla, we are the 4th largest ethnic group bla bla bla.

bia what happened? Why aren't we hearing of ijaw again? You people have faded into darkness.

When the ijaw youth council now ijaw a threat, no one takes them seriously again.

I'm still waiting for the day urhobo people will throw you people into bayelsa. Mtchew

See as you con mumu your self Yeye de smell. I'm not even sure you're from the Niger delta sef coming to cause trouble between us. Park well joor!!

More dear

pazienza:
How can an ethnic group have entirely different unrelated languages?
That's fraudulent if you ask me.

Andoni speaks An Ibibiod language,, yet we are told they are now Ijaw, while their Eastern Obolo brothers in Akwa ibom remain Ibibio.

Epie,, Degema,, Engenni all speak Edoid languages, and we are still told they are Ijaw.

Now Ijaw people are telling us that Igbo speaking Ndoki are now Ijaws too.

Looks to me like Ijaw is more like a franchise than an ethnic group.

And Obolo are actually said to be Ijaw too.

[quote author=CooperJay post=77693426]Word! Your comment deserves a thread [/quote

Language isn't the only thing used to define an ethnic group. There isn't any language named Izon anyway the one people refer to is a language spoken by the Izon subgroup of the Ijaw called Izon. The Ijaw ethnic group is mostly based on blood, Historical, Cultural and territorial ties in the sense that all these tribes or clans in the Ijaw ethnic group have shared close blood lines, cultures and history that are interwoven with each other so that's it.

I thought this was about what Masturbation does to the body in Negative terms I thought it was some medical thing I didn't know it was still some religious dogmatic superstitious bullshit again.

Before I no bin fit de see difference between Warri and Benin pidgin but as I con de near dem wewe I con de see say Benin pidgin na normal normal talk dem de talk. Before I bin de reason say dem go geh slang pass we for Yenagoa but lass lass notin still comeout unto slang matter.

magicjack:
Is der particular tin unique to epie that can differentiate them from ijaw? food, tradition, anything?

Well all Ijaw clans have their own unique traditions and food that makes them unique. And pls they is no language called Ijaw it's Izon , Ijaw is an English tongue corruption of the word Izon which itself is a corruption of the word Ijo or Ujo which is an Ancestral Name of one of their Ancestors that was said to be one of the Sons of Oduduwa that came to establish In the Niger Delta. The Ancestral name of the Ijaw people were Oru called Olu by the Igbos, but the White men used the name of their Ancestor Ujo to call the Oru people they first met on the Coast. Right now Ijaw is the name of a collection of people with shared history and culture irrespective of Language. So as you can see the Ijaw don't exactly have a Strict Homogeneous culture or language and the Epie who speak an Edoid language is even more Unique as an Ijaw Clan.

bigfrancis21:
30% is quite alarming and the percentage would keep reducing with each passing generation if certain actions aren't taken.

Yea that's how bad it is..In every passing Generation it reduces although the pidgin spoken is very influenced by Epie not much in accent though but in Vocabulary and structure that too is changing due to the large presence of other languages and the typical Nigerian Pidgin influencing it.

darfay:
I here engenni is edoid too having supposedly surgeoned in isoko area briefly


Is it intelligible with epie

Engenne is edoid too their dialect is like a mix of Igbo, Ijaw and Edo. The Epie-Attisa is an offshoot of the Engenne from the north and other Ijaw clans to the South. And yea its pretty intelligible to an extent.

darfay:
So you didn't make the comment I quoted?

Yea Some dumbas guy I think from where I worked must have commented . I work in Nairabet and I used their computer to log in and I forgot to log out.

bigfrancis21:
To properly assess the language situation, on a scale of 100% what percentage of the the Epie-Atissa are fluent speakers?

Only a 30% I think are fluent in Epie, at the moment even if two adults like Elders are talking it would be 40%Pidgin 60%Epie. The lounger folks that have a little grasp on the language just try to add Epie words to anywhere they can in their pidgin. like Example: Omone(dis pikin for camaraderie just like Omo in normal pidgin) !! di Afina (Woman) don Sil'è(Run which cognate in normal pidgin would be Shele) meaning in Normal pidgin: Omo The woman don run.

darfay:
Is epie and atissa the same language?

They are two Ijaw Clans that speak an Edoid language called Epie. it has its own several dialects but for now they haven't been studied and I think the way the language is dying it never would be studied.

darfay:
You people are always in every Niger delta thread... Waiting to force igbo down our throats

How does igbo affect this Shaa. Pls I'm not Igbo I'm Ijaw and my account was hacked, sorry o Pele.

darfay:
What is this fool saying?

Are isoko and ijaw the same?


Which wan is talkless of isoko?

Are you high?

Have you been to isoko land b4 ?

I said isoko and not urhobo!!!!

Sorry Pls Abeg my account was hacked....You know I'm the owner of this thread and this your comment has been like a week old if I wanted to say anything it would have been sooner not now Abeg....

darfay:
Speak for yourself. Everybody in isokoland can and actually speaks isoko

My guy stop lying eh Pls.... When not everybody in Ijaw land can speak Ijaw talkless of Isoko. Pls stop it, something that everybody can see with their clear eyes. I no bin wan answer you before sef..

viscerion:
dis thread is way old but i know someone will still dis.

I get d op point, dat while oil from SS LANDS feeds d nation, d PEOPLE of SS dont contribute to the country in terms of human resources like d oda zones(or so he said) I'm 4rm akwa ibom, so let me clear out a few points


-wen u say SS ve a particular character, remember dat SS ranges etsako in edo to iyala in crossriver, n also igbo lands in delta n rivers, r u saying all des pepo r lazy ogogoro drinkers?, be careful wit hw u group tinz

now more important points

-north does agriculture, east does business, west are known for education, the niger delta if you must know r known 4 entertainment n sports, check all d top entertainers n sportmen in Nigeria, dey r mostly SSners

-like oda regions, SS used to be an agricultural n enterprenual place, also a tourism haven b4 oil discovery, so it's not dat d pepo r lazy but wen u ve a salary of 100m/mnth wil u still take u side provisions business seriously?

- of cuz d population n minority status of the SS pepo makes pepo oblivious to their contributions, for instance, a yoruba man in lagos sees an hard working ogoni man but since he does not know d diff btw ogoni n igbo, he wil thinks it's anoda hard working igbo man

I'm nt jus supportin my zone, i no y it may seem lyk all we do is shout our oyel, but neva judge witout lukin deeply at facts n u'll see the truth unless uve made up ur mind bout us den u r free to believe ur belief

magicjack, edodefender, fero007, sinistami, scholes make una drop una own talk o

Thank you Bross.

Well you can call us whatever you want, whether its lazy Ogogoro drinking fish eating people to Pipe line busting youth, just get this straight into your head Mr Op and the others supporting you, you would never know what it is to be a Niger-deltan. The Niger-deltans so far has been the the worst hit of the socioeconomic and Eco-Cultural problems we have here in Nigeria with the Middlle-Beltans and North easterners and South easterners being not so far on the line. Right fron the start of the advent of the White man on our Chores. As you know we have been the first to meet these white deceivers which I know some people who don't have sense might disagree with and want to claim it forgetting it also means our cultural Economic and Traditional values started detoriating at a very early stage compared to yours, imaging being first to come in contact with Guns and Hard drugs coupled with the white man's craftyness. Anyway because of lots of fall outs we had with the whites they conspired right from the start for power not to be in our hands so they could and would easily control our resources. read on King jaja of Opobo, King koko of Nembe, The Benin Empire, Nana of Itshekiri etc you would see why they did that, giving power to Northerners who were easier to control than to the Igbo or Yoruba or the Niger-deltan and also why we we didn't have a Geopolitical Zone of ours until recently. The Oil Boom was both a blessing and a curse to us, Oil destroyed our Farm lands our water ways and yet you're talking of farming. just have it to your head that if everything was good the Nigerian Government wasn't this bad I swear I'm not Tribakistic o!! but nobody would be able to stand up to us Niger-deltans. we have a whole designed against us blacks let's not let Tribalism make it worse. #Staywoke.