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la furia: so such a law exist in France, intresting that the media didnt make it an issue like women not driving cars in saudi arabia. and no female activist in france all this years? hmm

these mainstreem medias are more interested on attarking Arab world while forgetting other side of the stories like this one

Confused Association of Nigeria - CAN

Burger01: Finger-amputating machine!! What of head-amputating machines for those boko haram bombers? Nations are developing life saving inventions and paliatives Iran is busy living in the stone age and making amputating machines... much for an islamic country..

Is greate to hear you saying ''Islamic country''. What about you christian? Do you have any??

Mavrick2012: Am nt a muslim.if it were nt 4 religious bigotry/hatret most of us cryin against dis machin/law would hav supportd it,even prescribin it 4 naijiria.pls dnt get it twisted,am never an advocate of capital punishmen,if u ask me,d best way to fight crime in d society is by adresin poverty.i strongly feel d best way to treath a criminal is to 1st mentaly REHABILITATE him/her while his movement is restricted(call it prison) and later economicaly rehabilitate him/her

Keep your laws for your children. You go be a good leader to them! but iran no be your home. So keep quiet!!

Many people in this forum have a desire toward stealing.... So don't mind them, they have a reason to against it.

babyosisi: The is is the beauty of Islam
Subnallalahi
Allah is all knowing and he gives his slaves knowledge freely to invent things
Salamalekum jazrilliwhamalakam
Ina ina rajiuni capsulatum.

Are you mocking Islam.... Though, no one will be convienced becouse you are speaking with capital 'L' in your mouth?

onyfrank: Wicked and adulterous generation! How long wil u stop being wicked to urselves. U device many ways to anihiliate another person's creation; u invent bombs, u invent guns, u invent missles, jst to eradicate urselves. Wen u wil u start to invent d one dat wil raise those whom ur bombs, guns and missles had killed? Wen wil u start to invent d one wen thrown it wil eradicate poverty, sicknx, hatred, and d likes?
If u du not repent, u wil lykwise perish!

It seems like your compass is heading to US, Russia and China....

boron10: The Machine go soon enter northern Nigeria. Our Muslim Brothers sabi copy Arabs no be small

And who do you copy when you burn thieves on streets?

okpara ugo: Hope you can say that to God when you meet him face to face?

God go ask the author of your Bible not Whymee becouse he only made a quotation...so blame your bible.......**hahahahahahaha silly christian

This pastor enjoy pulling out a trigger the way he enjoy saying HALELUYA....
fire...fire..fire...(haleluya)..fire...fire...fire....(haleluya)...fire...fire....fire...(haleluya)......

Fake pastor, Fake church, Fake Bible and Fake religion.....

[quote author=m.k.o2005]For every original,there is a fake some where !
Any one who claims to be a christian and wields or keeps fire arms with him(Especially for self defense)is not a christian !
'Christians' don have guns !
God help us[/quote]The problem with you is that you dont know if the pastor of your church is original or fake. **Laughing MODE activated**

this is a great progress.... Kudos to Ahmaddinajad

[quote author=Gabriel_sylar]ure talking like a kiddie[/quote]You can say so becouse you lost the sense of justification

[quote author=Gabriel_sylar]infact morsi should be dealt with[/quote]Well, Mr. morsi has nothing to do with this, we should not include him

fergusen: BREAKING NEWS: Egyptian referee Grisha Ghead to be expelled from Afcon
The official has come under intense scrutiny for his penalty call against Nigeria in Friday’s game against Zambia which ended in a draw

By Sam Ade Oguns, in Nelspruit
Jan 27, 2013 7:20:00 PM

Zambia vs Nigeria: Referee Grisha Ghead
Egyptian referee Grisha Ghead, who officiated the controversial second Group C match between defending champions Zambia and Nigeria on Friday, may be dismissed from the Africa Nations Cup by the Confederation of Africa Football (Caf) as a result of poor officiating, Goal.com has learnt.
Ghead gave Zambia a controversial penalty late in the game which ensured that the match ended 1-1. The Nigeria Football Federation lodged a complaint with Caf after the match.
Goal.com learnt that Caf president Issa Hayatou assured Nigeria’s minister of sport Bolaji Abdullahi that prompt action has been taken against the referee and that the official will be sent home.
Caf is yet to react officially.
The last Group C matches are now expected to generate great concern to Caf as they have prepared to monitor the two matches alongside the other groups to forestall a repeat of such scandalous mistakes and biasesas alleged by the NFF.
http://m.goal.com/x/en-ng/news/3705382

Bulshit.... Only expelled? the goal should also be expelled.

Hallie27: **yawning...** pls dont tell me u still arguing on this thread, people are dying every second, d world is getter closer to oblivion,yet....
Tintingz,skak and nagoma,pls in the name of Allah, leave these people to their beliegfs,let them think whatever they want about Islam. Lets use our precious time to move closer to Allah, learn more and more about our deen,and participate in dawah with our fellow brothers and sisters..these people are just mini-dajjals that are trying to distract and engage us in frivolities. One thing is certain,kalla saya'lamun....May Allah make us steadfast muslims, and forgive us of our shortcomings,Amin. Asalam alaykum warahmatullah wa barakatuhu...

Thanks for the advise and Inasha'Allah we will heed and adhare to it. We really wasted so much time while trying to explain to these self-centered Western puppets which we should have rather did something more important. In the other way round, these Western puppets have no time to either loss or gain to the fact that their Life Time is entirely and completly useless and waste of time. They are indeed a ''Round Ball in a Square Hall'' in this world.

Furthermore, Alexis and his friends helped me to see clearly and understand the practical example why Allah (SWT) referred to some people as ''SUMMUM, BUKHMUM, UMYUN FAHULLAYARJI'UN''. And i thanked them for not hiding their true colour.

Thank to all my brothers and sisters in this forum, you really did a great job. May Allah (SWT) reward you abundantly.

Till we meet in another topic, for now is BYE!

alexis: Now, you are here claiming that the Hadith I quoted is not authentic - NA WA OH!. So, you are denying your own Hadith because it tells you the truth?

Common Islamic defense of bringing up totally different subject to get off topic. Leave this for another discussion or open a thread and we will discuss it. Stick to this one for now.

Perhaps Mohammed should have done the same thing the islamic ruler of Baghdad Khalif El- Ma'amun (ruled 813-833 CE) did before he claimed the sun set in a pool of warm water. You are now blaming his statements on the Jews that they distorted your Hadith. Your ignorance is laughable.

The Bible indicates that the earth is round/circle. It did so before your Galileo or your muslim ruler attempted to. Yet Allah in all his Wisdom couldn't clarify that but some jews wanted to LIE on Mohammed so bad that they introduced false Hadiths that muslims read everyday - NA WA OH!.

zkak - Said the Hadith was in-correct but from a muslim source. You are here saying it was the Jews that wrote that Hadith that muslims read. Probably you two should sit down and verify which is which before you display your fallacy online.

[quote author=alexis]First of all the name is spelled skak not zkak as you wrote. Mind you! Secondly, hadith can be altered by the enemies of Islam becouse it was a narration just like your bible. But we have our standards before accepting any hadith i.e the chain of transmission. And yet, i gave you the hadith together with the chain of transmission and a reason why the hadith you brought was rejected so also the reason why the hatith i brought was accepted but you keep on exposing your ignoramus status. Just becouse you are fools and ignorants enough to accept any unreliable and unreasonable version of bible so you think we are the same? ? Any hadith must be justifiable in our religious paradigm. So dont try to violate our rights and standards as we never did either to you.

In addition, you insisted that mary's age was not mention in bible. Is this not a shame? ? That mean you cannot give a comprehaensive account of a lady whom you referred and considered to as a Goddess. If this is the case then, i can say even your bible (so called the words of God) is not all knowing, that is why you are a confuse person to the fact that; ''whoever stands for nothing, will fall for anything'' if you don't know at what age mary got marriage then you must accept any source given to you becouse you lack justification as your bible left you ignorant and blinded.

Further more, you keep on saying Islam is a religion of violence becouse of some followers like Boko Haram without giving any verse (in Qur'an or Hadith) that support your claim. Are you not most interested on fact rather than words of mouth ?? If yes, then i will say Nagoma was write by mentioning the sex abuse which is frequently and continuously been made by the christian people of the highest ranking and at same time a fools of the highest order. Not only that, about violence, i will show you how christianity teaches violence against any further questions of its type.

According to your bible, Jesus came for division rather than peace.

Luke 12:51-53 “Do you think that I have come to give peace in the earth? I tell you,
no, but rather division. For from now on, there will be five in one house divided,
three against two, and two against three. They will be divided, father against son,
and son against father; mother against daughter, and daughter against her mother;
mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law, and daughter-in-law against her
mother-in- law.

Matthew 10:34 “Don’t think that I came to send peace on the earth. I didn’t come
to send peace, but a sword".

I now find the reason why hitler was a massacre and why Christian are killing and terrorising Muslims in Jos.

In addition to this:

Deuteronomy 13:12-15 ''If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals'' Oh Allah save muslim and animals from this barbaric creatures. Ameen.

Not only that, even animals are terrorised:

Leviticus 20:15-16 ''If a man or woman has sex with an animal, both human and animal must be killed''. isn't this laughable and ridiculous? . I guess you should kill the animal since they were willing participants. this is also crazy and i cant stop laughing.

A simple example that will show you how peace is islam is from the name itself. Al-Islam.

proo212: @Tintingz actually he did call Himself the Son of God....

I quote John 10 from verse 31 for you and these are Jesus' words by the way

30 I and My Father are one.”

If this is the case then all human beings are God's sons as said by Jesus;

James 1 vs. 16 – 18 So don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters. Whatever is good and perfect comes down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens. He never changes or casts a shifting shadow. He chose to give birth to us by giving us his true word. And we, out of all creation, became His prized possession.

1 John 3 vs. 1 See how very much our Father loves us, for He calls us His children, and that is what we are!

Matthew 6 vs. 6 – 13 But when you pray, go away by yourself, shut the door behind you, and pray to your Father in private. Then your Father, who sees everything, will reward you.

You have to know that this is aancient traditional way of addressing God as creator. Dont claim Jesus is the son of God but if you do, people will also claim they are his son too.

@ tintingz

SALAM to you brother.

Are you not tired with those misanthropic creatures? You really have a big hart, more tolerance to any misapprehension and mischievous behaviour. Anyway, i guess you have much leisure time.

alexis: skak - You had mentioned earlier that 9/11 was a plot by the US to invade the Middle East. I asked you to clarify and you haven't. Can you please explain what you meant.

As for 9/11, there is nothing to argue about it becouse is a subjective issue based on analysis and you have the right to agree or go against it. So, you can remain with your own view. Your is your and mine is mine,

If no one can change another on religious issue how do you thing subjective issue like this is going to work No more waste of time.

alexis: I will put your question in bold for emphasis:

Is bible really a words of God? If yes, then why is there a variation between different versions of bibles. Bible versions shows that they are really not the same. Some leave out entire verses, others disagree on whether Jesus should be called God's servant or God's Son.

The King James Version (KJV) is an English translation of the Bible made in 1611 at the order of King James I and still widely used today. The New International Version (NIV) is a completely original translation of the Bible developed by more than one hundred scholars working from the same available Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek texts.

The reason I am explaining this is so you can see that they are not two different Bible, the texts and interpretations are the same. KJV has an old English flavor today and NIV has a simpler 20th century English equivalent. So, to think they are different Bibles is not accurate. Research shows that on an average, students in the 12th grade understand KJV compared to students in the 7th and 8th grade that easily understand the NIV.

Your confusion here is that King James Version and the New International Version of the Bible are different and not the same and as a result, Christians have more than one Bible. Your confusion here is why some verses appear to be shorter in NIV as compared to KJV. For example, in the KJV, John 6:47 reads, "He that believeth on me hath everlasting life." In modern translations, the same verse reads, "He who believes has eternal life, "with the words "on me" left out. This is the same from several of the verses you quoted as examples. These differences between the KJV and modern translations (in this case NIV) are due to translation differences, THEY DO NOT MEAN THE THERE ARE DIFFERENT BIBLES. The message and theme of the Bible is consistent and the same.

The purpose of the KJV translators was to produce a translation that was understood in the common language of the day 1611. That is also a driving force behind many of the modern translations i.e. NIV - 1966

That been said, where there differences/emphasis in translations from the original Bible manuscript, possibly. I can't tell, I wasn't there in 1611 and 1966 when they were been translated. However, the THEME and MESSAGE in the Bible is the SAME whether it is KJV or NIV. I hope that answers your question.

If i understand you, the bible you are using is not the words of God like Qur'an but a translation of the word of God. Am i right?

I guess, that is why there is many ''OMMISIONS'' in the NIV compared to KJV. And still there are as many version as the number of stars in galaxy with no one in harmony with another.

If i were you, i would have provide my own version in such a way that it will suit me and my interest (becouse no one can prove my translation wrong unless he come along with the original book of God) rather than using other authors bias translation.

So, i suggest that you should be calling your bible ''AUTHORS' BOOK''

tintingz: bro...stop wasting your time replying him, he is just looking for a way to insult and not ready to know the truth about Islam

Thank you brother for the advice. I thought the same from the beginning, you ask him several question but still no even a single answer from him and still he cannot answer mine too but pretending like he didnt understand the question.

But i think is important for us to make him understand muslim stands with bible and Jesus.

To all christians in this forum.

Every muslim fully respect these books as words of Allah SWT i.e Az-zabura of Dawud (David), At-taura of Musa (Moses), Al-injila of Isa (Jesus) and Al-qur'an of Muhammad (Mohammed) and muslims believe that all these prophets are sent by Allah.

The difference is that muslim did not believe that jesus is either a God or son of God. And that, this book you are using (bible) is not a true representative of Injila which was originally sent with prophet Isa. And beside, every divine scripture has its own target people and time period (i.e when another prophet arrived people will adopt and replace the old scripture with the new one). After Moses, it was Jesus and after Jesus, it was Muhammad. Jesus was sent to Jews but jews rejected him and try to alter his book as well as dismantling some of his followers which are now known as christian (the term christian was giving by jewish not by Jesus - is not in the bible) while, Muhammad was sent to the whole world but Jews and christians rejected him.

All thanks be to Allah SWT for giving us the ability to answer all all the questions giving to us on this forum as well as proven to the Authenticity of Qur'a. May Allah reward us for our good doing and forgive us for any error we might have done through out our discussions.

I'm also done. Alhamdulillah, Alhamdulillah, Alhamdulillah.

tintingz: bro...stop wasting your time replying him, he is just looking for a way to insult and not ready to know the truth about Islam

Thank you brother for the advice. I thought the same from the beginning, you ask him several question but still no even a single answer from him and still he cannot answer mine too but pretending like he didnt understand the question.

But i think is important for us to make him understand muslim stands with bible and Jesus.

To all christians in this forum.

Every muslim fully respect these books as words of Allah SWT i.e Az-zabura of Dawud (David), At-taura of Musa (Moses), Al-injila of Isa (Jesus) and Al-qur'an of Muhammad (Mohammed) and muslims believe that all these prophets are sent by Allah.

The difference is that muslim did not believe that jesus is either a God or son of God. And that, this book you are using (bible) is not a true representative of Injila which was originally sent with prophet Isa. And beside, every divine scripture has its own target people and time period (i.e when another prophet arrived people will adopt and replace the old scripture with the new one). After Moses, it was Jesus and after Jesus, it was Muhammad. Jesus was sent to Jews but jews rejected him and try to alter his book as well as dismantling some of his followers which are now known as christian (the term christian was giving by jewish not by Jesus - is not in the bible) while, Muhammad was sent to the whole world but Jews and christians rejected him.

All thanks be to Allah SWT for giving us the ability to answer all all the questions giving to us on this forum as well as proven to the Authenticity of Qur'a. May Allah reward us for our good doing and forgive us for any error we might have done through out our discussions.

Alhamdulillah.

alexis: I am not dictating to you what you should ask. You quoted passages from Luke, Matthew, Corinthians and John. I am asking that we address one before we move to another. If you want us to handle the passage in Luke, then let us handle it. That is all I asked and suggested.

I'm still waiting for your answer about the VARIATION in your bibles. This is only what i want to know for now.

alexis: Skak, you cited several verses, please choose one verse, quote it, and from the verse ask your question.

so you are now dictating to me what i should ask you. Look if you dont know the answer just confess. This is usual and indeed as i expected.

Let me ask you once again: WHY ISAH THERE A VARIATION WITHIN YOUR BIBLES?? And don't tell me there is no variation becouse i gave you enough references.

alexis: First of all, it is spelled dodge and not dolge. I am not dodging anything skak. I am asking you to level the playing field. I asked you one question and I am asking that you do the same. I didn't ask you 10 questions and asked you to clarify from the Quran, I asked ONLY ONE. So, go ahead and ask me one and then later you can ask me as many as you want but we will address them in a timely manner one question at a time.

Thanks for the correction it is indeed spell dodge. I wish you understand your bible just like the way you understand spelling. I would have like it more if to say the correction came from the mentioned contradiction in your bible

I was only citing examples that will back my point but what i was asking you is clearly stated; why is there a variation between the so called words of God from various versions of your bibles.

alexis: Wouldn't it be fair if you choose only one verse like I did from the Quran and we tackle it? Also, I asked you to verify a claim you made earlier reading it is the US government that is responsible for blowing up the twin towers as a cover up to invade the Middle East. I am still waiting for that answer?

you want to dolge? I told you before, you cant answer my question. If you like, invite the pastor of your church still the question will remain unanswered. And this is just a minor becouse there are many tough more to come.

@ Alexis

Is bible really a words of God? If yes, then why is there a variation between different versions of bibles. Bible versions shows that they are really not the same. Some leave out entire verses, others disagree on whether Jesus should be called God's servant or God's Son.

How do you decide which is completely correct And which is not
why there is insertion and deletion in words of God. And why is there a brackets/parenthesis in the words of God
Why is alweys a complict between king james version and New international version

For example, the followings have many variation, deletion and insertion between KING JAMES BIBLE NEW INTERNATIONAL VERSION

Why did Jesus come to earth

Luke 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village. KJV

Luke 9:56 and they went to another village. NIV



Matt. 18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. KJV

Matt. 18:11 (missing) NIV

Is repentance important

Matt. 9:13 ...I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. KJV

Matt. 9:13 ...I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners. NIV

For whom did Jesus die

I Cor. 5:7 ...Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: KJV

I Cor. 5:7 ...Christ, our Passover lamb, has been
sacrificed. NIV

In Whom must you believe to be saved

John 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
believeth on me hath everlasting life. KJV

John 6:47 I tell you the truth, he who believes has
everlasting life. NIV

Was Joseph really the father of Jesus

Luke 2:33 And Joseph and his mother marvelled at those things which were spoken of him. KJV

Luke 2:33 The child's father and mother marveled at what was said about him. NIV

Did Jesus give His disciples power to heal

Mark 3:15 ...power to heal sickness, and to cast out devils. KJV

Mark 3:15 ...authority to drive out demons. NIV

If it's hard to do, should we just remove it

Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your
trespasses. KJV

Mark 11:26 (missing) NIV

Who is in charge

I Cor. 10:28 ...for the earth is the Lord's and the fulness thereof: KJV

I Cor. 10:28 (last part of verse missing) NIV

How must we deal with our enemies

Matt. 5:44 ...Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you. KJV

Matt. 5:44 ...Love your enemies and pray for those
who persecute you. NIV

Where did Jesus go

John 16:16 A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. KJV

John 16:16 In a little while you will see me no more, and then after a little while you will see me. NIV

This is what is referred to as a 'REAL CONTRADICTION'.

alexis: Oga skak - I am still waiting for your reply oh. You said you were going to ask me a question, it hasn't come yet. So, by the prophet account, we are to believe that the sun sets in a stream of water. Here is the Hadith again:

Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water

These are the prophets words and not mine, yours or Dr. Zaik. He received all the revelations in the Quran and he clearly stated that the sun sets in a spring of warm water. I find it hard to think that the Sun which is is over 1.3 million times bigger than the earth could fit in a spring of warm water. Yet prophet Mohammed said it could. Don't accuse me of quoting out of context oh. These words were not mine oh. Go and look them up in your Quran.

I am still waiting for your question. Because I have a couple for you.

I thought of abandoning your question but i now think otherwise for the sake of those who have the ears of hearing and willings for understanding.

Before you talk about hadith, you must consider the chain through which the hadith passes or perceived as well as the dissertation consistence of the hadith before it become Authentic. Hadith is a narration of what prophet Muhammad said and it can be altered just like the one you brought. Nonetheless, if you want to know this hadith read the following.

Narrated Abu Dharr: The Prophet asked me at sunset, "Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?" I replied, "Allah and His Messenger know better." He said, "It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west. And that is the interpretation of the Statement of Allah: "And the sun is quickly proceeding towards its destination. That is the designing of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing. " (36.38) (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, Hadith 421) In a narration, again from Sayyidina Abu Dharr, there appear the additional words to the effect: “I asked the Prophet about the Statement of Allah: -- ‘And the sun is quickly proceeding towards its destination. That is the designing of the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing ' (36.38) He said, ‘Its course is underneath "Allah's Throne.’" (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 6, Book 60, Hadith 327)

The following is the Analysis of the chains of narrators of the hadith in question:

From Abu Darr, it both ways i.e. with and without the words under consideration, it narrated by Yazid al-Taymi and from him by his son Ibrahim bin Yazid al-Taymi.
From Ibrahim it is narrated by six different narrators;

1- Al-A’mash: And from him at least five people narrate it. See Sahih Bukhari etc.

2- Yunus bin ‘Ubaid: And from him at least three narrators report this narration. See Sahih Muslim etc.

3- Musa bin al-Musayyab al-Thaqafi: From him it is narrated by Abdah bin Sulayman, See Al-‘Uzmah of Abu al-Shaykh al-Asbahani 4/1189

4- Abdul A’la al-Taymi: The narrator down from him is Mis’ar, See Hilyah al-Awliya 5/89
5- Harun bin Sa’d: Abdul Ghaffar bin al-Qasim narrates from him. See Al-‘Uzmah of Abu al-Shaykh al-Asbahani 4/1191 and Al-Tabarani’s Mu’jam Al-Awst, Hadith 4470

6- Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaybah: The sole narrator down from him is Sufyan bin Husain, See Sunan Abu Dawud, Musnad Ahmad, Mustadrak al-Hakim, Musnad al-Bazzar etc.

Of all these various routes from Ibrahim bin Yazid al-Taymi, it is only through Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaybah that these words “It sets in a spring of warm water” are narrated. In short, there are six narrators reporting the hadith from Ibrahim bin Yazid, and only one of them i.e. Al-Hakam bin ‘Utaybah quotes the particular words. And in addition, there is again only one narrator down from him and he is Sufyan bin Husain whereas parallel to Sufyan there are at least eleven people narrating the hadith without these words on the authority of five different people narrating from Ibrahim bin Yazid.

Against any question on this hadith, reaad the following explanation of the Hadith:

The Prostration of the Sun: A look into the phenomenon of the sun performing sajdah (prostration) beneath the ‘arsh (the Divine Throne) From these narrations of Hadith, we learn that mustaqar means a spatial destination, that is, a place where on orbit of the movement of the sun stands completed- and they also tell us that this place is beneath the ‘arsh (the Throne of Allah). Hence, the verse would mean that, everyday, the sun moves towards a particular destination, and once it has reached there, it performs prostration before Allah and seeks His permission for the next orbit. Once permission is given, it begins the next orbit.

The state of the ‘arsh of Allah (generally referred to as Divine Throne) as understood from the Qur’an and Sunnah is that it surrounds all that we know as the masses of the land and expanses of the sky. All these masses and expanses along with planets and stars, without any exceptions, are enclosed within the ‘arsh- and the ‘arsh of Allah holds the entire cosmic universe inside itself. If seen from this angle, the sun is, in all conditions and all the times, simply under the ‘arsh.

What, then, would be the sense of going beneath the ‘arsh after it sets?

It is common observation that the sun, after it sets at someplace, does rise elsewhere. Therefore, its rising and setting is an ongoing phenomenon.

what then is the meaning of going beneath the ‘arsh after setting and doing prostration?

From the apparent sense of the Hadith mentioned above, we learn that the sun, after having reached its destination (mustaqar), pauses within which it offers sajdah (prostration) before Allah and seeks the permission for the next orbit- although, there being no break in the movement of the sun at any time is an open observation. And since this rising and setting of the sun keeps taking place all the time in terms of different locations, therefore, this pause should also be there all the time as result of which sun should not have any movement any time.

Before you give any hadith you must provide the source and the chain through which the hadith was perceived.

plappville: Are you now in shame? Liar....change/twist it all...I am through with exposing the writings of Islam books. I can understand, Your insults Is as a result of the bitter truth..

You rather have to say that; you are through with exposing you ignorance and nescient. Becouse the more you talk, the more you proved to us that you are still in palaeolithic era with little features above animals.

plappville: Who is primitive and who have insulted who? I posted Hadith and Quran and got insulted. Yet you are polite ...... The letter of this thread contradict every other Islam books period. Stop fooling the air

Is it an insult to call a person with his true colour Sorry i'm not used to lies so, i cannot call you white.