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Derekmiles:
"India’s progress operates on a much larger and more complex level than Rwanda’s"

And when did i ever say they don't operate on a larger scale, if Rwanda operated on a larger scale with India's population, that will be an outright disgrace... Rwanda was mentioned by me when you said "All African Nations are doomed for destruction", and i gave you an example, Rwanda, and you've completely changed your rhetoric again, with the claim clearly being now that i'm trying to compare Rwanda to India, which i haven't... I said Rwanda has a higher economical growth % than India, this is a statistical fact, am i wrong?, No.

Rwanda for a long time has always had an immense economic growth, disproving your rhetoric "All African Nations are babaric and doom for destruction"🤷.

Finally you’ve admitted to something.

1. “When did I say they don’t operate on a larger scale?”

You didn’t—fair point. But the issue comes from context. Yes, Rwanda has higher economic growth percentages than India right now. That’s statistically correct—no one’s denying it. But percentage growth isn’t the whole story. The scale of an economy matters when comparing the significance of growth.

For example:
• Rwanda’s 7% growth adds about $900 million to its GDP (which is great for Rwanda).
• India’s 6% growth adds over $200 billion—equivalent to 15 entire Rwandas in one year.

So, while Rwanda’s growth rate is higher, the impact of India’s growth is far larger, both nationally and globally. That’s the context you might not be addressing
You’re correct that Rwanda’s growth percentage is higher than India’s—no argument there. But growth rates alone don’t define an economy’s overall performance or global relevance. Rwanda’s progress is impressive and worth celebrating, but it operates on a different scale and context than India. Recognizing this difference isn’t dismissing Rwanda—it’s just being realistic.

Rwanda’s economy, while growing impressively, faces significant structural challenges that keep it far behind India. For starters, Rwanda’s GDP is just $13 billion, compared to India’s $3.7 trillion. That small scale limits its ability to influence global markets or sustain large-scale industries. Rwanda’s growth relies heavily on foreign aid (accounting for around 15-20% of its budget) and agriculture (about 24% of GDP), which makes it vulnerable to external shocks like donor policy changes or climate-related issues.

The country also struggles with low industrialization and limited infrastructure. While India has established itself as a hub for IT, pharmaceuticals, and manufacturing, Rwanda’s industrial sector is still in its infancy, contributing less than 20% to GDP. Furthermore, poverty remains widespread, with over 38% of the population living below the poverty line, compared to India’s 16%. Rwanda’s small domestic market (just 13 million people) further restricts its growth potential compared to India’s massive consumer base of 1.4 billion.

In short, while Rwanda’s economic growth percentages are impressive, its heavy dependence on foreign aid, reliance on agriculture, and small-scale economy ensure it’s nowhere near India’s scale, diversification, or global relevance. Rwanda is progressing, but it’s playing on a completely different level than India.

Rwanda is a backwater compared to India. Africa is in general. Africa is rural India.

Derekmiles:
Of course desperation has degrees, but it's still desperation... It's so funny how your current rhetoric still goes against every rhetoric you said about the Black community, remember "cry me a river"?, now you think struggles have degrees, but you never thought that when it was the Black community, you are contradictory dude, stop this nonsense, you are clearly contradictory due to bias.

I never said Indians are as desperate as people fleeing war thone countries, but the fact that they can go through all that is on it's own merit desperation... How can you tell any sane person that an individual leaves his home, goes on an illegal path to get to a new country, actively try to avoid authorities, and the conclude with "It wasn't desperation though", like i said before, do you understand the meaning of desperation?.

1. “Desperation has degrees, but it’s still desperation.”

Yes, desperation does have degrees, but the differences matter. Someone risking illegal migration to escape war and famine is fundamentally driven by survival—a literal fight to stay alive. On the other hand, someone crossing illegally for better wages or better opportunities is making a calculated choice, even if desperation plays a role.

This isn’t dismissing desperation; it’s about recognizing that the stakes are different. Life-or-death survival is not the same as economic frustration or ambition. Both involve risk, but they’re not identical. Ignoring these distinctions oversimplifies the reasons behind migration, and that’s where context is key.

2. “Your rhetoric is contradictory, especially with the Black community.”

I see where this comes from, but I don’t agree. Acknowledging different struggles doesn’t mean invalidating anyone’s experiences. When discussing African migrants or the Black community, the focus was often on broader systemic issues like historical injustice, structural poverty, and racism. That’s not the same conversation as individual cases of illegal migration.

Comparing the two directly implies all struggles are the same, and they’re not. This isn’t bias—it’s context. The struggles of African migrants are unique and deserve their own framing. So are the struggles of Indian migrants. Applying nuance isn’t contradictory—it’s necessary.

3. “Leaving home and migrating illegally is always desperation.”

It’s desperation to some degree, but not always in the same way. Someone leaving due to war or famine often has no choice. But many Indian migrants do have a choice—they’re frustrated by limited options or drawn to higher incomes abroad. Their situation may not be great, but it’s not unlivable either.

Illegal migration can reflect ambition mixed with frustration, not just desperation in the direst sense. If it were purely desperation, why do some return home when they don’t succeed abroad? It shows they weren’t fleeing absolute necessity but chasing better opportunities.

4. “You’re downplaying the struggle of illegal migration.”

Not at all. Illegal migration is hard, risky, and reflects a degree of desperation. But we need to differentiate between:
• Escaping survival-level hardship, like war or famine.
• Navigating barriers to opportunity, like restrictive visa systems or economic limitations.

Both are struggles, but not all illegal migration stems from the same level of urgency. Recognizing this nuance doesn’t minimize the difficulty—it just clarifies the motivation.



Leaving home and migrating illegally always involves hardship, but the reasons behind it vary, and that matters. Acknowledging these differences isn’t about bias—it’s about understanding the complexity of migration. Saying all illegal migration is the same kind of desperation oversimplifies the real struggles migrants face, and that doesn’t help anyone. Let’s respect the diversity of these experiences without lumping them all into one category.

Derekmiles:
Of course desperation has degrees, but it's still desperation... It's so funny how your current rhetoric still goes against every rhetoric you said about the Black community, remember "cry me a river"?, now you think struggles have degrees, but you never thought that when it was the Black community, you are contradictory dude, stop this nonsense, you are clearly contradictory due to bias.

I never said Indians are as desperate as people fleeing war thone countries, but the fact that they can go through all that is on it's own merit desperation... How can you tell any sane person that an individual leaves his home, goes on an illegal path to get to a new country, actively try to avoid authorities, and the conclude with "It wasn't desperation though", like i said before, do you understand the meaning of desperation?.

1. “Desperation has degrees, but it’s still desperation.”

Ok right—desperation is desperation. However, degrees of desperation matter because they affect how we frame the narrative. Someone fleeing war or famine is driven by immediate survival needs, while someone navigating restrictive systems is desperate for better opportunities. Both are acts of desperation, but they aren’t the same. Recognizing these differences isn’t contradictory—it’s about adding nuance.

When I say an Indian crossing the U.S.-Mexico border illegally might not reflect life-or-death desperation, it doesn’t dismiss the struggle. It just highlights that not all migration stories are identical, even if desperation is a shared motivator.

2. “You were dismissive of the Black community, now you think struggles have degrees.”

I see why you feel this way, but you’re misinterpreting. Acknowledging that struggles have degrees isn’t dismissive—if anything, it validates the uniqueness of each group’s challenges.

For example:
• When discussing African migrants or the Black community, I never said their struggles weren’t valid. If “cry me a river” came across as dismissive, that wasn’t the intention—it was to highlight the complexity of global struggles, not to diminish any particular group.
• In the case of Indians, I’m applying the same principle: struggles vary, and they’re driven by different contexts. This isn’t bias—it’s trying to analyze situations fairly.

3. “Going through an illegal path is on its own desperation.”

I agree Any illegal migration reflects desperation at some level—but desperation isn’t a monolith. Leaving your home, risking arrest, and crossing borders illegally all require significant motivation, but the type of desperation matters.

Here’s the key distinction:
• War-zone refugees: Desperation for survival (life-or-death urgency).
• Indian migrants: Desperation for better opportunities, often driven by frustration with systemic barriers rather than unlivable conditions.

Saying “it wasn’t desperation” isn’t accurate, but neither is equating all forms of desperation as equal. Someone bypassing a blocked visa system isn’t experiencing the same level of existential threat as someone fleeing war or famine. That’s a fact, not bias.

4. “How can you say it wasn’t desperation?”

I’m not saying it’s not desperation—I’m saying it’s a different kind of desperation. People leaving stable homes to migrate illegally are often taking calculated risks, which can still involve desperation, but not always at the level of fleeing war or starvation.

It’s not about minimizing their struggles but understanding why they make those choices. Ambition, frustration, and desperation can coexist, and this doesn’t make their decisions less valid—it just makes them different.


Yes, illegal migration involves desperation, but context matters. Saying that different groups experience different levels of desperation isn’t contradictory—it’s recognizing that struggles are complex and situational. This isn’t about dismissing one group or another; it’s about looking at the bigger picture while respecting each individual’s story.again, That’s not bias—it’s perspective.

Derekmiles:
"India’s 1.43 billion people means its GDP per capita is about $2,500, while Rwanda’s 13 million population brings its GDP per capita to around $1,000. Even if Rwanda grows faster, India’s economic progress impacts far more people, lifting millions out of poverty annually".

Oh, so you can factor in per capita GDPs now, but when i did it for England, it was meh.

"Even if Rwanda grows faster, India’s economic progress impacts far more people, lifting millions out of poverty annually"

Yea, because they have more people, why does this guy only factor in per capitas when he's trying to be bias... You are even so confused, what i mean is a 7% will always have a greater economy growth on the economy per the general population than a 5%, this us literally fact.

"Rwanda’s high 7% growth feels big but adds only about $1 billion to its GDP. Meanwhile, India’s 6% growth adds over $200 billion—more than Rwanda’s entire economy. The per capita impact matters, yes, but at the national level, the absolute scale is a game-changer".

And also on the National level, there are a lot more infrastructure and grids to maintain due to the gigantual population size🤷🤷, way more than a lot more responsibilities than Rwanda. Add all the variables man.

And do you notice how you rhetoric has changed again from "All African Nations are doomed for destruction", to "All African Nations are not the the scale of India", after Rwanda came into the mix.... Like i said, i will have a fun time seeing the rhetorics constantly change.

Rwanda’s growth doesn’t change how bleeped it is. No African country in the sub Saharan part is doing well. Only the non black ones are doing well.

‘Oh, so you can factor in per capita GDPs now, but when i did it for England, it was meh’
Because I never said India’s GDP per capita is equivalent to England. But that it has the POTENTIAL TO be.



1. “A 7% growth will always have a greater effect than 5%.”

Not necessarily. The size of the economy matters. Here’s why:
• Rwanda’s economy is $13 billion. A 7% growth adds about $900 million.
• India’s economy is $3.7 trillion. A 5% growth adds $185 billion.

The absolute growth in India dwarfs Rwanda’s, even though Rwanda’s percentage looks better. Growth percentages don’t tell the whole story—what matters is the scale of impact.

On a per capita basis, Rwanda benefits more directly because its population is smaller, meaning each individual might feel the growth more tangibly. But on a national level, India’s growth adds far more value to its economy, creating opportunities across industries, infrastructure, and services.

2. “India has more infrastructure and responsibilities due to its population size.”

Exactly! That’s why absolute growth matters even more for India.
• India has to maintain and expand roads, electricity grids, water systems, and healthcare for 1.43 billion people. That requires enormous resources.
• Rwanda’s smaller size and population (13 million) mean less strain on infrastructure.

India’s ability to sustain growth despite these challenges shows its resilience. Managing a large population is hard, but India’s growth allows it to lift millions out of poverty every year, while Rwanda is still working on smaller-scale transformations.

3. “Add all the variables.”

When you consider all the variables—population size, infrastructure needs, economic scale, and global impact—India’s growth is far more transformative than Rwanda’s. Rwanda’s 7% growth is impressive relative to its size, but:
• India’s growth impacts the global economy through IT, pharmaceuticals, and manufacturing.
• India’s scale allows for massive infrastructure projects, like highways, renewable energy, and digital payments, that benefit hundreds of millions.
• Rwanda’s growth, while admirable, is mostly localized to agriculture, small industries, and foreign aid.

4. “You’re biased for ignoring per capita growth before.”

Not true. I’ve addressed both perspectives: per capita growth and national-level impact. Per capita is important for assessing individual benefits, but it doesn’t capture the scale and complexity of a nation’s economy. India’s massive population is a challenge, but it also makes its growth transformative in ways Rwanda’s simply isn’t.

Rwanda’s 7% growth is great for its size and population, but India’s 5% growth, when scaled to its massive economy and responsibilities, is far more significant. Growth percentages are just one metric—you need to factor in absolute growth, population, infrastructure, and global impact. When you do, it’s clear India’s progress operates on a much larger and more complex level than Rwanda’s. This isn’t bias; it’s perspective

Derekmiles:
"but proportion doesn’t always equal desperation"

"Illegal migration by Indians is significant, yes"

I thought it wasn't before?, i just love the fact that you keep changing your rhetorics, it went from not significant to significant😂😂😂. I am going to have a fun day today with your stupidity.

"Both are struggles, but they’re not identical".

So which means one struggle according to you is tougher than the other, at least that's the rhetoric you're going with... Damn, i remember a little while ago when we were talking about the Black community, and i use to say this all the time; someone else just put it by the wayside like it was unimportant. Now the individual brings it up for another group, and he wonders why i call him bias?.

And yes, you're right, noth struggles are not the same, one is obviously more desperate than the other, just like the Black community was a in more dire situation than other groups... But you know what, you actually shot yourself on the foot again, a middle class Indian Engineer who got to the U.S legally will most likely only get in for 2 reasons.
1) Work Visa
2) Student Visa

There are other ways, but those are the 2 usual ways. If it's work visa and he's stayed 15 years and still has his job, he's still legal, not illegal... As for student Visa, almost same principle applies.

So the chances of a 15 year Indian Engineer who originally came into the U.S legally and is now an illegal will be extremely rare, that is an exception, not the norm... And if he's been illegal for years, then he could always return to his stable working country right?, except he's desperate to not.

By the way, you do realise that 5000 a month crossing the Canadian border is 60 thousand a year, and that's just the Canadian border... The Mexican border is estimated at more, this not adding other borders like the UK border were the Indians and Africans has literally started making the news... This is a country that is almost at the opposite section of all these Nations they're mass illegally migrating to, and you say It's not desperation😂😂😂. If you'd even maybe said that about the Mexicans, i maybe could have understood; and the funny thing is almost all, if not all the illegal Mexican that i've ever heard talk about why they did it, desperation of seeking a better life is always the reason.

The very attempt of illegally trying to seek a better life in another country is desperation dude... There is no spinning it, or sugarcoating, that is desperation to make sure you stay in the country, and not return or live in yours.

1. “You went from not significant to significant.”

I never said illegal migration by Indians wasn’t happening or wasn’t significant in scale—it’s significant numerically, but not when compared to India’s population of 1.43 billion. The proportion (1 in 6 of U.S.-based Indians) might feel big, but compared to India’s global diaspora or population, it’s still a fraction.

The point is: the scale of migration doesn’t make every case one of desperation. Many are overstaying visas or navigating restrictive systems—they’re not all escaping dire conditions. It’s not about changing rhetoric, it’s about adding context.

2. “One struggle is tougher than the other—bias!”

Yes, struggles are different. Saying one is more desperate than another isn’t dismissing anyone’s hardship. For example:
• A refugee fleeing war in Sudan is in life-or-death desperation.
• An Indian migrant crossing borders illegally may feel frustration or ambition due to blocked legal paths, not immediate survival.

This doesn’t mean Indian struggles are irrelevant—they’re just different. Recognizing this isn’t bias, it’s acknowledging reality. Struggles aren’t all equal, and that’s okay to say without dismissing anyone.

3. “A middle-class Indian engineer going illegal is rare.”

You’re right—such cases are exceptions, not the norm. But it still happens. illegal migration includes people overstaying visas or losing their legal status due to systemic delays or job changes, which are common. Some people simply choose not to return home because they believe the opportunities in the U.S., even illegally, outweigh what’s available in India. Is that desperation? Sure, in a way. But not the same desperation as fleeing poverty or war.

4. “5000 a month crossing borders shows desperation.”

Absolutely, it reflects ambition for a better life, but ambition and desperation aren’t always the same thing.
• Desperation: Life-or-death situations (war, famine).
• Ambition + frustration: Navigating immigration hurdles or seeking higher wages when blocked legally.

Indians crossing the Canadian or Mexican borders aren’t running from unlivable conditions—they’re pursuing better opportunities. The risk they take is real, but it’s not always about escaping a dire, desperate situation.

5. “The very act of illegal migration is desperation.”

Here’s where we differ. Illegal migration can reflect desperation, but it’s not universal. For some, it’s about risk-taking and frustration, not survival. Desperation has degrees:
• Some are escaping hunger and war (e.g., Syrians, Somalis).
• Others are making calculated decisions to bypass restrictive systems for better pay and opportunities (e.g., Indians, Filipinos).

Saying illegal migration is always desperate simplifies the motivations behind it.

But no not everyone is a tether as black Americans like to think. Illegal immigrants aren’t just border hopers. It is defined as aliens who enter or remain in a country unlawfully.

Samantha125:
The Europeans didn't succeed in anything, but we Africans are the ones who are succeeding in destroying our African cultures and languages.

We look down on those who can't speak good English and make mockery out of them... To us, having a child that is fluent in English than his or her mother tongue is an achievement, those Europeans are no longer holding a gun to our heads and forcing us to learn their language.

We are filled with self hate, there's recently a thread that made it to the front page of a Nigerian child in Nigeria who went to school in her beautiful natural African hair, only for the school to shave her hair without her parents ' knowledge, something you would never see white schools do to their fellow white learners.

China and India were also colonized by the Europeans, but they're still staying true to their cultures and languages.

Cry me a river, the Europeans and Arabs kicked your asses. What a pathetic continent.

Derekmiles:
"African nations having higher GDP growths is because they are less developed than India. A less developed economically will obviously grow faster. But economically, India far surpasses Africa. India’s GDP is $3.7 trillion vs Africa’s 3.1 trillion.

Alright, let’s break this down quickly and clearly.

1. “Rwanda’s growth rates are higher than India’s.”

True, Rwanda’s growth rates (7.6% in 2023, 7.2% in 2024, 6.6% currently) are impressive. But let’s talk scale. Rwanda’s entire GDP is just $13 billion, while India’s is $3.7 trillion. India growing at 6%-7% adds hundreds of billions of dollars to its economy, while Rwanda’s 7.6% growth adds maybe $1 billion. High percentages on a small base are great, but they don’t compare to the absolute economic progress India is making"


😂😂😂, you're definitely an Uncle Tom dude, i've been refraining from saying it since, but you are.

"Let's talking about scale"

You can't talk about scale and not talk about population... What the f*ck are you on about?, i doubt you actually even know what you're talking about... A 7% increase on any economy has a higher general effect on any population than a 5%, the economy easily grows faster per capita... Or are you actively trying to be an Uncle Tom, because you're making yourself stupid trying that... You made a statement talking about "African Nations can't do nothing but destruction", i debunked it with a constantly economically improving African Nation, and now; the biases makes you askew the rhetorics again.

"African nations having higher GDP growths is because they are less developed than India. A less developed economically will obviously grow faster. But economically, India far surpasses Africa. India’s GDP is $3.7 trillion vs Africa’s 3.1 trillion."

The Entire African population is also lower than Indian's at 1.4 Billion, and 1.43 Billion, place all the variables when talking else you look stupid, which you are actually starting to look.

Your first sentence really makes me laugh because there is no statistical rhetoric to claim that, you just went the actual Emotional BS route... India also has a higher GDP growth because they're less developed than most of the world... Rwanda has a high economic growth than India currently, try biasely twisting that to favour the India, because you've not done a good job so far.

Alright, let’s handle this step by step and clear things up. No emotional bias here—just facts and context.

1. “You can’t talk about scale and not talk about population.”

fine your absolutely right—population does matter when discussing scale, and India’s massive population is both a strength and a challenge. But scale isn’t just about population—it’s about economic size and impact too. India’s economy at $3.7 trillion GDP is over 280 times larger than Rwanda’s ($13 billion). Even with a smaller GDP per capita, India’s growth benefits millions more people due to the sheer scale of its economy.
• Rwanda’s high 7% growth feels big but adds only about $1 billion to its GDP. Meanwhile, India’s 6% growth adds over $200 billion—more than Rwanda’s entire economy. The per capita impact matters, yes, but at the national level, the absolute scale is a game-changer.

2. “A 7% growth rate has a bigger per capita effect than 5%.”

On paper, yes—a higher growth rate can have a stronger per capita impact. But in real terms, India and Rwanda are worlds apart. India’s 6% growth happens on a much larger base, impacting industries, services, and technology on a global scale. Rwanda’s 7% growth is commendable but primarily comes from agriculture and small-scale industrial reforms. It’s progress, but it doesn’t position Rwanda as globally impactful yet.

India’s slower growth doesn’t mean it’s less significant—it means it’s already playing in a much bigger league, where high percentages aren’t as easy to achieve.



India’s economy drives global industries like tech, pharmaceuticals, and manufacturing—fields that affect the world economy. Rwanda, while improving rapidly, is still primarily reliant on agriculture and subsistence industries. A country’s economic complexity matters, and India’s is far ahead. Africa will always be backward.

4. “India’s growth is higher because it’s less developed.”

This is a half-truth. Yes, countries with lower starting points often see faster growth because they have more room to catch up (this is called the catch-up effect). But India isn’t just growing because it’s less developed—it’s because it’s rapidly industrializing, urbanizing, and innovating. Its growth is fueled by a booming tech industry, massive infrastructure projects, and export expansion, not just “starting low.”

Rwanda’s growth, on the other hand, is still largely dependent on foreign aid, agriculture, and small-scale industry, which are harder to scale globally.

5. “You’re ignoring population and variables.”

Let’s factor them in:
• India’s 1.43 billion people means its GDP per capita is about $2,500, while Rwanda’s 13 million population brings its GDP per capita to around $1,000. Even if Rwanda grows faster, India’s economic progress impacts far more people, lifting millions out of poverty annually.
• Additionally, India has a diverse economy spanning IT, manufacturing, and exports, while Rwanda’s is still heavily reliant on agriculture (~24% of GDP) and foreign investment.

Population matters, but so does economic complexity and scalability, where India outshines.

6. “Bias against African nations.”

No bias—just context. I am no Uncle tom. Your just antowhe delusional Afrocentrist.


India’s economic complexity, scale, and global influence put it on a different level. Growth percentages are just one part of the story—the size, diversity, and global impact of an economy matter too. Rwanda is growing, but comparing it to India is like comparing a boy to a man🤣🤣

Derekmiles:
There are 750 thousand illegal immigrants in the U.S, the third highest of an group, compared to a general population of 5.1 Million Indians... That's about 1 in 6, this not counting the ones caught. Yea, just give up this argument, there's no way you'd tell me that they're not living for desperation when they themselves say that... What kind of biased idiot are you?.

Alright, let’s break this down piece by piece and address your argument directly, no dodging.

1. “750,000 illegal Indian immigrants in the U.S. compared to a population of 5.1 million—1 in 6. Doesn’t that show desperation?”

It’s a big number, sure, but proportion doesn’t always equal desperation. Let’s unpack:
• Most Indian immigrants in the U.S. come legally, with India being the largest source of legal migration through work visas like H-1Bs. The large illegal number exists because visa backlogs and caps make legal paths incredibly slow.
• Many of these illegal immigrants aren’t destitute—they’re people overstaying work or student visas, not always crossing jungles or borders out of dire necessity. Visa overstays are illegal too, but they don’t come from desperation in the same way as fleeing war or famine.

So, yes, 1 in 6 seems big, but the context is different. The path doesn’t reflect pure desperation—it reflects blocked opportunities.

2. “They’re leaving out of desperation because they themselves say so.”

Desperation is a broad term, and not everyone defines it the same way. Indians migrating illegally might say they’re desperate, but often it’s about frustration with limited options to achieve their goals. Desperation in this context means a lack of access to opportunities they want, not necessarily escaping survival-level hardship.

Think of it like this: a middle-class Indian engineer waiting 15 years for a green card is frustrated, not destitute. Saying “I’m desperate for better opportunities” isn’t the same as saying “I’m desperate to survive.” Both are struggles, but they’re not identical.

3. “What kind of biased idiot are you?”

Look, I get the frustration here, but it’s not about bias—it’s about nuance. Illegal migration happens for many reasons:
• For some, it’s about escaping life-threatening conditions.
• For others, it’s about wanting better pay or opportunities but being blocked by legal systems.

Acknowledging this isn’t bias—it’s recognizing that migrants come from different circumstances. Just because someone is illegal doesn’t mean their motivations are always rooted in extreme hardship.



Illegal migration by Indians is significant, yes. But context matters. Many are overstaying visas or navigating restrictive systems—not fleeing unlivable conditions. It’s not about dismissing their struggles but understanding that their reasons are often different from those fleeing war or famine. Illegal migration isn’t one-size-fits-all, and assuming desperation applies universally oversimplifies the reality.

You say I should give up the argument but you have a hard time accepting what FBAs don’t want to. It’s why I said your an FBA in disguise. Not every immigrant legal or illegal is desperate. They just want the opportunities. People can travel for economic, touristic purpose etc

Derekmiles:
"Not all illegal migration is rooted in desperation. Desperation is one reason, but not the only one. Many people migrate illegally because legal routes are blocked, expensive, or take too long—even if they aren’t fleeing life-or-death situations. Take Indians crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, for example: many are middle-class, educated, and looking for better opportunities but can’t get visas because of how restrictive the system is. That’s frustration with bureaucracy, not pure desperation".

This is actually funny now, so if the legal routes are blocked, and you decide to pass through Jungles to get to your destination you want to go to, what do you call that?, Content at their country?.

"Take Indians crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, for example: many are middle-class, educated, and looking for better opportunities but can’t get visas because of how restrictive the system is".

You are literally explaining desperation, how the f*ck can't you see that... If you can't get visas to go to another country, and you decide to go through the hassle of illegally migrating and hiding from the authorities when you do get there, you're f*cking desperate... Did the individual who thought you the meaning of desperation not teach you well?... You literally can't see your bias and it's getting infuriating, you want to askew the rhetorics as much as possible for other groups, but when it gets to the Black group, it's straight head-on.

1. “If legal routes are blocked and you take the jungle route, it’s desperation.”

Not necessarily. Taking an illegal route can also reflect calculated risk, not desperation. Many illegal migrants aren’t fleeing unbearable lives—they’re just seeking better ones, even if it means breaking the law. It’s not the same as being desperate for survival; it’s often about frustration with legal barriers. For instance:
• Indians crossing the U.S.-Mexico border are often financially stable, middle-class, and educated. Their life at home isn’t dire—they’re choosing to take risks for a chance at higher wages or a better lifestyle.

Calling this desperation waters down what real desperation looks like, like someone fleeing war in Sudan or famine in Somalia.

2. “If you can’t get a visa and migrate illegally, you’re desperate.”

I don’t agree. There’s a difference between desperation and determination for a better life. If someone from India or the Philippines feels frustrated by the insanely long visa processes and decides to cross illegally, it doesn’t mean their home situation is unlivable. They might simply see an opportunity to earn more in a foreign country and choose to bypass bureaucracy.

If desperation alone were the driving force, why are these same migrants often sending remittances back home, indicating their families are relatively stable? It’s not black-and-white desperation—it’s a practical decision.

3. “You’re biased and go head-on about Black migrants.”

This isn’t about bias—it’s about context. Illegal migration is a global issue, and the stories behind it differ depending on the region. African migrants often face more severe conditions like poverty or conflict, so their decisions may seem more life-or-death compared to someone frustrated by legal blocks. That doesn’t mean one story is less valid—it’s just different.

If anything, highlighting these nuances ensures we don’t paint every migrant with the same brush. Indians, Nigerians, or Mexicans crossing illegally are motivated by different circumstances, and acknowledging that complexity is the opposite of bias.

ultimately

Not all illegal migration equals desperation. For many, it’s frustration with bureaucracy or chasing higher earnings, not a last-ditch escape. While desperation is one layer of the story, the bigger picture includes personal ambition, blocked opportunities, and practical decisions—not just survival. Disagree if you want, but illegal migration is a mix of risk-taking and ambition, not just desperation.

Derekmiles:
Dude said Philippines, a country were their Vice President just tried to wack their President... And dude said Vietnam.

"There is no alternative universe or reality where Nigeria or any black dominated succeed ever succeeds at anything but destruction. Never. It’s impossible."

Again, stupidity, lets even leave the Carribean Nations because i'm tired of your biases, lets come to Africa... A good example, Rwanda; 7.6 economic growth in 2023, 7.2 growth in 2024, 6.6 currently, actually currently higher than India... But i guess all Black Nations are doomed to fail, that statement is so untrue, because Nations right now are the embodiment of the being untrue... Which is why i said you have serious biases, even maybe an "Uncle Tom" persuasion; because i've been noticing your rhetorics since, other groups, "systemic issues and it will be better" rhetoric, Black groups "Completely damned".

Philippines:
• Economic Growth: Despite challenges like typhoons, the Philippines’ GDP grew by 5.2% year-on-year in Q3 2024. The World Bank projects a 5.9% growth for 2024, with expectations to accelerate to 6.1% in 2025. 
• Technological Advancement: The IT-BPM sector is thriving, with revenues hitting $38 billion in 2024 and employment reaching 1.82 million. The industry is focusing on upskilling in AI, IT support, cybersecurity, and data analytics to sustain growth. 

Vietnam:
• Economic Growth: Vietnam’s GDP surged by 7.4% in Q3 2024, marking the highest growth in two years, driven by robust exports and industrial production. 
• Technological Advancement: The country is expanding its chip packaging and testing capacities, attracting significant investments from companies like Hana Micron and Amkor Technology. Vietnam aims to increase its global ATP capacity from 1% in 2022 to 9% by 2032.

What a terrible way of assesing how well a country is doing. Is the US doing badly now because trump got shot? Bad stuff happens everywhere. You don’t even know how to argue when it comes to comparing counties.

African nations having higher GDP growths is because they are less developed than India. A less developed economically will obviously grow faster. But economically, India far surpasses Africa. India’s GDP is $3.7 trillion vs Africa’s 3.1 trillion.

Alright, let’s break this down quickly and clearly.

1. “Rwanda’s growth rates are higher than India’s.”

True, Rwanda’s growth rates (7.6% in 2023, 7.2% in 2024, 6.6% currently) are impressive. But let’s talk scale. Rwanda’s entire GDP is just $13 billion, while India’s is $3.7 trillion. India growing at 6%-7% adds hundreds of billions of dollars to its economy, while Rwanda’s 7.6% growth adds maybe $1 billion. High percentages on a small base are great, but they don’t compare to the absolute economic progress India is making.

2. “Rwanda’s progress is comparable to India’s.”

Not really. Rwanda has done incredibly well to recover from its tragic history, but its policies are building an Unstable economy. But India is a global economic powerhouse:
• India has a massive industrial base, world-class IT sector, and is a leader in global tech and pharma.
• India’s exports alone ($400+ billion in 2023) dwarf Rwanda’s entire GDP.

Rwanda’s growth is commendable, but it’s operating on a different scale altogether.
No African country matches India in terms of:
• Economic size: Africa’s largest economy, Nigeria, has a GDP of ~$400 billion—about 1/9th of India’s.
• Global influence: India’s role in tech, trade, and geopolitics is far ahead of any African nation.
• Population leverage: India’s 1.4 billion people drive a massive domestic market, creating opportunities Africa’s smaller individual markets can’t replicate

Rwanda’s growth is real, but it’s like comparing a fast-growing small startup to a massive multinational company. India’s economic progress, sheer scale, and global impact put it in a league no African country is close to. Not even close 😂😂

The Philippines and Vietnam are making serious waves in the global economy, especially in supply chains and manufacturing.

Philippines
• Economic Progress: The Philippines is seeing steady growth (around 5.9% in 2024) thanks to its booming IT-BPO industry, which earned $38 billion in 2024 alone. It’s one of the world’s top outsourcing hubs, handling everything from customer service to AI development.
• Global Impact: It’s a key player in the business process outsourcing (BPO) industry, supporting global corporations with cost-effective services.
• Potential: With a young, tech-savvy population, the Philippines has the potential to dominate IT services further and expand into higher-value tech industries.

Vietnam
• Economic Progress: Vietnam’s growth (7.4% in Q3 2024) is largely driven by its role as a manufacturing powerhouse. It’s become the go-to alternative to China for electronics, textiles, and chip assembly.
• Global Impact: Big companies like Apple, Samsung, and Intel are heavily investing in Vietnam as they diversify away from China. Vietnam is rapidly becoming central to the global tech and electronics supply chain.
• Potential: Vietnam’s strategic location, growing industrial base, and government focus on infrastructure make it a rising star in global manufacturing.



Both countries are critical for the global supply chain: the Philippines powers corporate services, and Vietnam builds the products we use daily. With their youthful populations, strategic policies, and integration into global trade, their potential to grow into economic giants is massive. These aren’t just regional players anymore—they’re shaping the future of the global economy. Stop talking out of your ass.


You just don’t want to accept the failed race of blacks

Derekmiles:
Bro really said illegal migration paths don't mean desperation... The very essence of Illegal migration is desperation, what are you talking about.... And no, illegal migration doesn't exist everywhere, show me an Australian, English, Belgian, and so many other other developed countries whose citizens are trying to illegally migrate... You statement is so not true, why are seriously this biased?.

You’re consistent I’ll give you that. Yes illegal imitation exists everywhere.

Alright, let’s take this on point by point and clear up the misunderstanding.

1. “Illegal migration paths don’t mean desperation.”

Not all illegal migration is rooted in desperation. Desperation is one reason, but not the only one. Many people migrate illegally because legal routes are blocked, expensive, or take too long—even if they aren’t fleeing life-or-death situations. Take Indians crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, for example: many are middle-class, educated, and looking for better opportunities but can’t get visas because of how restrictive the system is. That’s frustration with bureaucracy, not pure desperation.

But yes, desperation is often a factor for others, like refugees fleeing war or extreme poverty. My point is simply that illegal migration isn’t always one-dimensional. It varies by person and circumstance. A professional engineer stuck in a visa backlog isn’t in the same position as someone fleeing famine—but both may cross illegally.

2. “Illegal migration doesn’t exist everywhere.”

You’re right that illegal migration is less common from some developed countries because their citizens usually have better opportunities at home. But it still exists—it’s just rarer and often for unique reasons. For example:
• Australians overstaying visas in the U.S. or Europe.
• Americans sneaking into Canada during Prohibition to escape legal trouble or avoid taxes.
• Irish workers migrating illegally to England during hard economic times in the past.

Illegal migration isn’t exclusive to developing countries; it happens anywhere people face barriers to moving legally. It’s just that people from wealthier nations have fewer reasons to migrate illegally because they already enjoy relative stability.

3. “Why are you biased?”

It’s not about bias—it’s about nuance. Illegal migration happens for different reasons across the world. Yes, some cases are fueled by desperation, but not all. And while it’s more common from developing nations, that doesn’t mean illegal migration is an exclusive phenomenon to them. Wealthier countries face different pressures, like visa overstays, which technically counts as illegal migration too. It exists everywhere.

Derekmiles:
"Illegal Migration: Yes, some migrate illegally, but it’s a small fraction. Nigerians, on the other hand, often migrate out of necessity, not opportunity."

5000 a month from just one border point is a small fraction?, Wow, Bro, stop being delusional... More Indians cross through the Mexican border than the Canadian border, Indians illegally migrate en masse to other countries too, and yet, you think all these combined is a small fraction, we've not even talked about the Study fraud... All migrants migrate for better opportunity, the path of migration speaks on the desperation on how a migrant needs that opportunity, and the mass illegal migration is not doing any favours to your argument dude.

By the way, lets talk about these projections you were talking about India... Analyst who made the projections had to quickly reduce their reduced their analytical expectations after the Indian Economic growth dropped to 5%, which means the older projections at 7% automatically became wrong... Simple, what i've been trying to explain since, humans are way more complex than analytical projections.

1. “Indians illegally migrate en masse, and it’s not a small fraction.”

Yes, some Indians migrate illegally, just like people from many other countries. But claiming it’s an overwhelming “mass” ignores context. India has a population of over 1.4 billion—5,000 illegal migrants a month is statistically a tiny fraction of that. For comparison, millions of Indians migrate legally every year through skilled worker visas, education programs, and business opportunities.

Illegal migration is a problem, sure, but framing it as a defining trait of Indian migration is misleading. Most migration—whether from India, Nigeria, or anywhere else—is driven by economic opportunity, and not every route reflects desperation. People take paths based on accessibility, cost, and risk.

2. “All migrants migrate for better opportunity, and the path shows desperation.”

Yes, migrants seek better opportunities, but the path taken doesn’t always equal desperation. For many, it’s about practicality—how accessible a country is, visa policies, and geography. For example:
• Indians crossing via the Mexican border often do so because U.S. work visas are limited, and legal paths are overbooked. It doesn’t mean every migrant is destitute or desperate—many are skilled workers navigating restrictive systems.

The narrative of desperation fits some migrants, but not all. And mass illegal migration isn’t unique to India—it’s a global challenge tied to restrictive immigration laws, not just desperation.

3. “Analysts reduced growth projections after India’s drop to 5%.”

True, but this doesn’t discredit India’s long-term growth trajectory. Short-term slowdowns are normal for any economy, especially with external shocks like inflation or global economic pressures. Projections adjust for realities, but India still has one of the fastest-growing major economies globally, expected to rebound to 6%-7% growth soon.

Also, projections are based on structural factors, not just one year’s growth. India’s demographics, industrial expansion, and tech sector are long-term strengths. Analysts didn’t “throw out” India’s potential; they adjusted expectations temporarily, which is how projections work.

4. “Humans are more complex than analytical projections.”

Absolutely—they are! Projections are tools, not gospel. But complexity doesn’t mean we dismiss trends or forecasts entirely. When the data consistently points to India’s rising economic, technological, and geopolitical influence, it’s worth taking seriously. You have to look at the data here.

Short-term hiccups like growth dips don’t erase long-term progress—just like Nigeria’s struggles don’t define its future potential. Analytical tools don’t capture every nuance, but they help us understand broad trajectories

Illegal migration exists everywhere, and paths don’t always mean desperation—often it’s about navigating broken systems. India’s growth projections adjust for short-term realities, but the country’s long-term potential remains strong. Yes, humans are complex, but dismissing trends entirely because of short-term fluctuations misses the bigger picture. It’s about understanding the nuances, not oversimplifying.

Nigeria and any African/black nation is infinitely more likely to fail than India.

Derekmiles:
Oh my God, were you born in Nigeria?, because the fact that you can't see the similarities between everything youcre currently talking about India, and what was said about Nigeria is really funny... And no, i don't use emotions, i use variables, with stats. being part of those variables. You talk about the future, when the present speaks different on how the issues of the country is going; yea, there are Economic growths and future projections, Nigeria was once touted with one too. That is why stats. will always be askewed without adding other variables.

Will India be a future high societal Nation the likes of UK, who knows, but humans are too complex to be grouped by only analytical projections... Projections have failed countless times especially when talking about countries, you should know, your country is one; Venezuela was once one of the richest Latino Nations, then Chavez came, and the issues with the Two political parties started, even though projections had originally touted Venezuela to be relatively stable under Chavez... Humans are more complex than projections, especially given Countries like India were deep rooted systemic issues are still rife, and that's not even including the corruption.

‘Oh my God, were you born in Nigeria?, because the fact that you can't see the similarities between everything youcre currently talking about India, and what was said about Nigeria is really funny... And no, i don't use emotions, i use variables, with stats. being part of those variables. You talk about the future, when the present speaks different on how the issues of the country is going; yea, there are Economic growths and future projections, Nigeria was once touted with one too. That is why stats. will always be askewed without adding other variables’
No thankfully not. The thing is you do use emotions. You just keep saying India is bad, India is bad where else they are projected to be among the fastest growing economies in the G20. What a joke. Nothing you’re saying has any meaning. What variables are you talking about? Do you really think Nigeria could ever reached its projections?😂 Sure these are just projections that are assume that all variables remain the same and they seldom never do but regardless there is actually no reason to think that India won’t end up in a similar situation as the US and China. Nigeria has never had India’s potential. I get it’s hard pill to swallow but it’s the truth.

‘Will India be a future high societal Nation the likes of UK, who knows, but humans are too complex to be grouped by only analytical projections... Projections have failed countless times especially when talking about countries, you should know, your country is one; Venezuela was once one of the richest Latino Nations, then Chavez came, and the issues with the Two political parties started, even though projections had originally touted Venezuela to be relatively stable under Chavez... Humans are more complex than projections, especially given Countries like India were deep rooted systemic issues are still rife, and that's not even including the corruption’
Projections can and do fail. I Will agree with that but even if they aren’t precisely true with india. That doesn’t change the fact that this country will end up being a big player in the future. India will end up like Philippines, Vietnam, China and Mexico in a couple decades.
There is no alternative universe or reality where Nigeria or any black dominated succeed ever succeeds at anything but destruction. Never. It’s impossible.

Derekmiles:
Did you just say Argentina is among the most Black parts?, Jesus Christ... And it's not cherrypicking, stop deviating; you brought out a list, your list clearly shows that in the Top 10 Nations you called, only 2 are majorly made up of Black people, some there doesn't even pass 2-3%; so which means violent people in those countries are majorly not Black, for example El Salvador which i know have a very miniscule Black population 😂😂😂.

Argentina too barely has any, so many of the Top 10 countries you called have a miniscule to a minority Black population, and yet, "All African Nations are the violent"; you already contradicted yourself with that statement; are you stupid or outwardly close your eyes to Ghana, Bissau, Benin, do you know how many countries there are in Africa?.

"Yeah I already debunked your point on the Indian sides I told you that India’s potential is far greater than Nigeria"

And once again, i never compared both, you constantly act like this is what i'm doing... Both countries have a lot of systemic similarties, i even gave you a video on this, but biases will always take precedence with you... India is a shithole, i've debunked your India is amazing rhetoric countless times. This India topic came due to your comparison with them and the UK, which is just outright funny, please don't do that again; one region is a high societal region, and the other is a region whose Citizens will illegally desperately do anything to go to the first region.

‘Did you just say Argentina is among the most Black parts?, Jesus Christ... And it's not cherrypicking, stop deviating; you brought out a list, your list clearly shows that in the Top 10 Nations you called, only 2 are majorly made up of Black people, some there doesn't even pass 2-3%; so which means violent people in those countries are majorly not Black, for example El Salvador which i know have a very miniscule Black population 😂😂😂’
That is Cherrypixking. Why are you only focusing 10 people? There’s a reason I selected 30. That was at eight at random. Of those 30 countries on earth. Most of them were black or had significant black populations.

‘Argentina too barely has any, so many of the Top 10 countries you called have a miniscule to a minority Black population, and yet, "All African Nations are the violent"; you already contradicted yourself with that statement; are you stupid or outwardly close your eyes to Ghana, Bissau, Benin, do you know how many countries there are in Africa?’

So you can’t see Somalia, DRC etc on the list? Why are you just focusing on the top 10? I picked the top 30. African countries don’t even report that crime statistics accurately. I highly doubt that more than 5% of crime that are actually reported. True crime stats would have African countries blowing past all these ones. On top of the fact Africa, the carribean and the Middle East are the most violent, unstable parts of the world.

‘And once again, i never compared both, you constantly act like this is what i'm doing... Both countries have a lot of systemic similarties, i even gave you a video on this, but biases will always take precedence with you... India is a shithole, i've debunked your India is amazing rhetoric countless times. This India topic came due to your comparison with them and the UK, which is just outright funny, please don't do that again; one region is a high societal region, and the other is a region whose Citizens will illegally desperately do anything to go to the first region’

To be honest, we’ve both misunderstood as to what either side has been getting with the Indian argument. I’ve never actually said India was better to live but that’s its potential is far greater than Nigeria or the UK. That’s why I said you can’t compare Nigeria and India. Both are like UK’s children but one is the prodigal child and the other one is the one with severe learning difficulties. The other one is going to do much better. Don’t you understand? blacks can never build anything meaningful. It’s a failed race. But the same can’t be said for Asians and Latinos. Though In the July-September quarter of 2024, India’s GDP grew by 5.4% year-on-year, marking the slowest pace in nearly two years and falling short of the anticipated 6.5% growth. In comparison, Nigeria’s economy has shown a gradual improvement. The country’s GDP grew by 3.46% year-on-year in the third quarter of 2024, up from 2.54% in the same period the previous year. Even on its worse days. India is doing almost 2x Nigeria’s growth rate. Just accept it man, accept it that the Asians are better.

Derekmiles:
Now i see you're a true Nigerian, the last statement comfirmed it for me... Many Nigerians will pick world power anyday even if the economy is askewed by population. No wonder you've been delusionally praising India since the very get go, even having the guts to compare them to the UK.

Well, i'm not that guy, i don't care about global view, or Super powers; i care about the economic impact of the Citizens in the country i'm from, i care about the standard of living, the health care system, and others, because that is what actually matters in a country... Not who's outwardly the most powerful, now i see why you use absolute GDP all the time.

To you, India may very well be doing better than Estonia, to me, Estonia is doing way better than India... And to any logical person, they'd pick Estonia, but i understand the Nigerian power dynamic, so i understand your mentality now.

The problem is that your arguments are centred on feelings and emotions. They have no meaning. It’s anecdotal garbage. Personal experiences are a terrible way of judging economic development.
With your Estonia and India example?
Estonia is more developed and objectively better to live in right now for most people. It has a high standard of living, excellent digital infrastructure, universal healthcare, and low corruption. Life is stable, and services like education and public safety are top-tier.

India, on the other hand, has more potential due to its massive population, fast-growing economy, and booming tech sector. However, it’s still grappling with issues like poverty, inequality, and strained infrastructure, which makes daily life challenging for many.

In short: Estonia wins on quality of life today, but India holds the edge in future potential if its growth is managed well. It depends on what you prioritize—comfort and stability, or dynamic opportunities with challenges.

The same with the UK and India. I never actually said India was a better place to live but that its economic potential shouldn’t be ignored.

Derekmiles:
Oh shut the f*ck up, you've been deviating... I totally schooled you on the Indian rhetorics you've been talking about since, you are actively trying to not even mention them anymore, my comments on that is still holding... You couldn't even read a stat. right you idiot, the person you sent it to had to be the one that fixed it for you... Anyway, those comments are still holding.

So the Top Eleven countries outside of Jamaica are not even majorly Black Countries, you had to extend it all the way to 30 to make a point😂😂😂😂... In the Top 10 most violent countries, only 2 is majorly a Black Nation, well, i guess the other groups may be quite violent too😂😂😂. Bro, Latin America is damn violent, Goddamn, but to you "African Nations are the most violent"😂😂😂... Nobody is deflecting you fool, i just can't stop laughing at you not even being able to stand by your biased well.

I listed 30 because it’s more representative. Those countries are either black or have significant black populations. At this point, you’re denying reality.

Wow you didn’t do what I think you just did. How can blacks criticise others for scamming? Indians don’t commit as much crime as Africans, Carribeans or these black Americans themselves you defend

This is why you need objective data to create an argument. Your entire response is cherrypicked with all those videos you’ve selected. Your a joke 😂
The thing you’ve failed to actually understand what I was saying when comapring the UK to India. It’s not that India is as developed as the UK. It’s nowhere. But the economic potential of the country is definitely comparable to the UK.

1. Study Visa Fraud and Illegal Migration
• Claim: Indians engage in visa fraud and illegal migration (e.g., UK, Canada) at a scale that reflects desperation and systemic issues.
• Debunk: Yes, there’s undeniable fraud and illegal migration, but this doesn’t mean India as a whole is unstable or falling apart.
• Perspective: India has over 1.4 billion people—even if a fraction engage in fraud or illegal migration, it looks massive compared to smaller countries. But that’s not the majority. Most Indian migrants are legal, skilled professionals or students contributing to economies like the UK, US, and Canada.
• Global Migration Trends: Illegal migration isn’t unique to India. Nigerians, Mexicans, and even some Eastern Europeans engage in similar activities for better opportunities. Fraud exists everywhere, but it doesn’t define a country.

2. “Who flees en masse from a stable country?”
• Claim: Mass migration from India shows the country is unstable or not working.
• Debunk: People migrate not just because a country is unstable, but because better opportunities exist elsewhere.
• India’s Case: Indians migrate for economic mobility—higher wages, better jobs, or education. Leaving doesn’t mean the country is a disaster; it reflects a desire for global opportunities.
• Comparison: People from stable countries like the UK, Canada, or Germany also migrate, but not as visibly because they don’t face the same scale of challenges or barriers. For a country with India’s size, migration trends are amplified.

3. “Indians are giving up citizenship en masse.”
• Claim: Millions of Indians are desperate to renounce citizenship, proving systemic failure.
• Debunk: While it’s true many Indians give up citizenship, it’s not about “desperation.”
• Global Migration for Citizenship: Indians often acquire foreign citizenship after years abroad (e.g., in the US, Canada, or Australia). These people are typically skilled professionals, not fleeing instability but upgrading their status for convenience (e.g., easier travel, better tax systems).
• India’s Restrictions: India doesn’t allow dual citizenship. Many Indians who renounce it would keep both if allowed. Renouncing citizenship doesn’t automatically mean discontent with India.

4. Comparing India to the UK
• Claim: India can’t be compared to the UK because UK citizens wouldn’t migrate illegally to India.
• Debunk: This is an apples-to-oranges comparison. The UK is a wealthy, developed country. India is a developing economy—naturally, migration flows favor wealthier destinations.
• India’s Progress: Comparing India’s current state to the UK ignores India’s trajectory. India’s economy is growing rapidly, lifting millions out of poverty, and it’s becoming a global powerhouse in industries like IT, pharmaceuticals, and manufacturing. This is why I said to you potential. India has economic and geopolitical potential that’s way pass the UK and on par with US and China. The same can’t be said for Zoogeria at all.
• Legacy Issues: India inherited systemic problems like poverty, inequality, and overpopulation, but it’s progressing faster than many other countries at a similar stage of development.

5. “India is more similar to Nigeria.”
• Claim: India is more like Nigeria than the UK due to systemic issues, migration patterns, and desperation.
• Debunk: India and Nigeria share some challenges, like ethnic divides and poverty, but they’re not on the same level.
• Economic Differences: India’s economy is diversified and globally integrated, while Nigeria relies heavily on oil exports. India is actively reducing poverty and building infrastructure, whereas Nigeria faces chronic corruption and stagnation.
• Global Role: India is seen as a global power with growing influence, while Nigeria is still struggling to stabilize internally.

6. Systemic Issues vs. Statistics
• Claim: Stats oversimplify things and ignore systemic issues that define human experiences.
• Debunk: Stats aren’t perfect, but they give clear, measurable insights into trends.
• Systemic issues absolutely matter, but they don’t negate India’s progress. Migration patterns, GDP growth, and global influence show a country that’s far from perfect but clearly moving forward.
• Saying “India is a shithole” ignores the millions benefiting from its development, even while systemic issues persist

You’ve yet to respond to an Indian response like that either. I never said India was a utopia

Derekmiles:
Oh shut the f*ck up, you've been deviating... I totally schooled you on the Indian rhetorics you've been talking about since, you are actively trying to not even mention them anymore, my comments on that is still holding... You couldn't even read a stat. right you idiot, the person you sent it to had to be the one that fixed it for you... Anyway, those comments are still holding.

So the Top Eleven countries outside of Jamaica are not even majorly Black Countries, you had to extend it all the way to 35 to make a point😂😂😂😂... In the Top 10 most violent countries, only 2 is majorly a Black Nation, well, i guess the other groups may be quite violent too😂😂😂. Bro, Latin America is damn violent, Goddamn, but to you "African Nations are the most violent"😂😂😂... Nobody is deflecting you fool, i just can't stop laughing at you not even being able to stand by your biased well.

Yeah I already debunked your point on the Indian sides I told you that India’s potential is far greater than Nigeria.

Read again. I said the most violent countries in the world are either black or have significant black populations.

El Salvador: Predominantly Mestizo; Black population is minimal.
2. Jamaica: Approximately 92% of the population is of African descent.
3. Honduras: Predominantly Mestizo; Black (Garifuna) population is about 2%.
4. Venezuela: Predominantly Mestizo; Black population is estimated at 3-4%.
5. Belize: About 21% of the population is of African (Creole) descent.
6. South Africa: Approximately 80% of the population is Black African.
7. Lesotho: Over 99% of the population is Black African (primarily Basotho).
8. Saint Vincent and the Grenadines: Predominantly of African descent.
9. Saint Kitts and Nevis: Predominantly of African descent.
10. Nigeria: Over 99% of the population is Black African.
11. Trinidad and Tobago: Approximately 35% of the population is of African descent.
12. Colombia: Approximately 10.6% identify as Black, with an additional 3.4% identifying as Afro-Colombian.
13. Brazil: Approximately 7.6% identify as Black, with 43% identifying as mixed race (Pardo), which includes Afro-Brazilian heritage.
14. Guatemala: Predominantly Mestizo and Indigenous; Black population is minimal.
15. Mexico: Predominantly Mestizo; Black (Afro-Mexican) population is approximately 2%.
16. Dominican Republic: Predominantly mixed race; Black population is significant but not precisely quantified.
17. Haiti: Approximately 95% of the population is of African descent.
18. Bahamas: Approximately 90% of the population is of African descent.
19. Saint Lucia: Predominantly of African descent.
20. Barbados: Approximately 92% of the population is of African descent.
21. Grenada: Predominantly of African descent.
22. Guyana: Approximately 30% of the population is of African descent.
23. Suriname: Approximately 37% of the population is of African descent.
24. Angola: Over 98% of the population is Black African.
25. Democratic Republic of the Congo: Over 99% of the population is Black African.
26. Central African Republic: Over 90% of the population is Black African.
27. Papua New Guinea: Predominantly Melanesian; Black population is minimal.
28. Afghanistan: Predominantly Pashtun, Tajik, and Hazara; Black population is negligible.
29. Sudan: Approximately 70% of the population is Black African.
30. Somalia: Over 85% of the population is of Somali ethnicity, generally classified as Black African.

I list the top 30 and yet you still cherrypick? You’re a fool😂 Latin America and the carribean are grouped together. The more black parts of Latin America like the carribean, Brazil, Venezuela, Argentina tend to be more dangerous than the less black parts like Chile, Urguay etc. accept it that blacks are more violent.

Derekmiles:
Now i see you're a true Nigerian, the last statement comfirmed it for me... Many Nigerians will pick world power anyday even if the economy is askewed by population. No wonder you've been delusionally praising India since the very get go, even having the guts to compare them to the UK.

Well, i'm not that guy, i don't care about global view, or Super powers; i care about the economic impact of the Citizens in the country i'm from, i care about the standard of living, the health care system, and others, because that is what actually matters in a country... Not who's outwardly the most powerful, now i see why you use absolute GDP all the time.

To you, India may very well be doing better than Estonia, to me, Estonia is doing way better than India... And to any logical person, they'd pick Estonia, but i understand the Nigerian power dynamic, so i understand your mentality now.

development is objective, not subjective, and that’s a critical point. Development isn’t about personal opinions or preferences; it’s about measurable progress in areas like healthcare, education, economic output, infrastructure, and standard of living. Let’s build on your point here.

Development is Measurable

If we want to compare countries objectively, we look at data:
• Standard of Living: GDP per capita, access to healthcare, life expectancy, and quality of education.
• Economic Impact: Poverty rates, job creation, and income distribution.
• Human Development: Metrics like the Human Development Index (HDI), literacy rates, and access to essential services.
• Sustainability and Infrastructure: Renewable energy use, public services, and urban planning

1. “Nigerians will pick world power any day, even if the economy is askewed by population.”

Not true for everyone, and certainly not for me. The focus isn’t on “world power” for the sake of it—it’s about overall development. Large populations come with challenges, yes, but they also create opportunities for economies to scale, innovate, and diversify. The key isn’t dismissing large countries like India or Nigeria just because of population, but understanding how they leverage that size. Power dynamics aside, the scale of development impacts more people, which matters on a global level.

2. “I care about standard of living, not absolute GDP.”

Totally valid—and standard of living is incredibly important. Countries like Estonia, with higher GDP per capita, healthcare access, and quality of life indicators, clearly outperform India on those fronts. No argument there. But development isn’t static—it’s dynamic. India’s trajectory matters because it’s actively pulling millions out of poverty, improving infrastructure, and extending healthcare to a massive population. Estonia, while already ahead in quality of life, doesn’t face the same developmental challenges, so its progress isn’t comparable in scale.

3. “To any logical person, Estonia is doing way better than India.”

On living standards, yes—Estonia excels. But that doesn’t negate India’s strides. Development isn’t only about where you are now, but where you’re heading. Estonia is stable and developed, but its growth potential is relatively limited due to its size. India, while far from perfect, is growing rapidly, transforming industries, and building the foundations of long-term prosperity. So, a logical person can acknowledge both Estonia’s current strength and India’s transformative progress.

4. “You use absolute GDP all the time.”

Sure, because absolute GDP reflects economic size and potential. But I also factor in GDP per capita, healthcare, and quality of life when the context demands it. For smaller nations like Estonia, GDP per capita matters more because it shows how resources are distributed among fewer people. For large countries like India, absolute GDP reflects the sheer scale of change affecting billions. Both measures are useful—it’s about understanding context, not dismissing one for the other

Derekmiles:
Now i see you're a true Nigerian, the last statement comfirmed it for me... Many Nigerians will pick world power anyday even if the economy is askewed by population. No wonder you've been delusionally praising India since the very get go, even having the guts to compare them to the UK.

Well, i'm not that guy, i don't care about global view, or Super powers; i care about the economic impact of the Citizens in the country i'm from, i care about the standard of living, the health care system, and others, because that is what actually matters in a country... Not who's outwardly the most powerful, now i see why you use absolute GDP all the time.

To you, India may very well be doing better than Estonia, to me, Estonia is doing way better than India... And to any logical person, they'd pick Estonia, but i understand the Nigerian power dynamic, so i understand your mentality now.

Is it that hard for you to accept that you’re wrong?

I literally just debunked your claim the carribean is going well. You try to compare an Asian society to a black one and you failed. The best black societies out there would be poor in Latin America and Asia. And there are no best black societies out there as they always tend to fail.

When comparing South Asia and the Caribbean in terms of economic, technological, and general growth, it’s clear that South Asia is growing faster overall. Here’s a detailed breakdown:

Economic Growth

South Asia is one of the fastest-growing regions in the world. For example, India, the largest economy in the region, is expected to grow by 6.5%-7% in 2024, driven by robust domestic consumption, a thriving IT and services sector, and growing manufacturing capabilities. Bangladesh, another standout performer, is maintaining steady growth of around 5.6%-6%, fueled by its dominant role in global textile exports. While countries like Pakistan and Sri Lanka face economic challenges, the overall region consistently outpaces global growth averages.

In contrast, Caribbean economies are growing more modestly. Countries like Barbados and Jamaica are heavily reliant on tourism, and while they are recovering from the impact of COVID-19, their growth rates are limited—hovering around 2%-3% annually. The Dominican Republic is the region’s standout, with growth around 4.5%-5%, but even this is slower than South Asia’s key players. Additionally, the Caribbean’s small market sizes and vulnerability to natural disasters restrict their economic potential.

Verdict: South Asia’s economic growth is significantly faster and more diverse than that of the Caribbean, which relies heavily on tourism and lacks industrial depth.

Technological Growth

South Asia, particularly India, has emerged as a global technology leader. India’s IT and tech sector contributes about 8% of its GDP, making it a hub for software development, AI, fintech, and digital innovation. Government initiatives like Digital India have brought internet access to over 700 million people, fueling e-commerce, online education, and startup growth. India is also the third-largest startup ecosystem in the world, with companies spanning industries like fintech, health tech, and clean energy. Bangladesh is also leveraging technology to enhance its manufacturing efficiency, particularly in textiles, and is embracing digital financial services.

The Caribbean, on the other hand, has seen slower technological progress. While there are efforts to modernize economies—such as Jamaica’s push for digital finance and tech-based entrepreneurship—these are still in the early stages. The region lacks the scale, resources, and global tech presence of South Asia. Its reliance on tourism also limits the potential for high-tech industries to flourish.

Verdict: South Asia is advancing rapidly in the tech sector, with a global impact, while the Caribbean lags behind in technological growth.

General Growth and Development

South Asia’s growth is driven by its large, young population of over 1.9 billion people, which provides a strong labor force and consumer market. Countries like India are investing heavily in infrastructure, including highways, railways, and renewable energy. This has created a foundation for sustained growth and development. Additionally, South Asia has made remarkable progress in reducing poverty—India and Bangladesh, in particular, have significantly lowered their poverty rates over the last two decades.

In the Caribbean, growth is constrained by small populations (the entire region has a combined population of just over 45 million) and limited industrial capacity. Many Caribbean nations are heavily indebted, and their economies are vulnerable to climate change impacts like hurricanes and rising sea levels. While countries like the Dominican Republic and Trinidad and Tobago are diversifying through sectors like natural resources, most of the region remains highly dependent on tourism and remittances.

Verdict: South Asia’s larger population, infrastructure investments, and poverty reduction efforts far outpace the Caribbean’s slower, tourism-reliant development trajectory.

Overall Conclusion

South Asia is unequivocally growing faster than the Caribbean. Its economies are larger, more diversified, and expanding at a higher rate. Technologically, South Asia has become a global leader, particularly through India’s advancements in IT and innovation. In contrast, the Caribbean’s reliance on tourism, small market size, and vulnerability to external shocks have limited its growth potential.

While both regions have their unique strengths, South Asia’s scale, pace of development, and global impact leave the Caribbean far behind in terms of economic, technological, and general growth.

Derekmiles:
Another stupid take, Can you please stop with that violent rhetoric, just because you grew up in Nigeria doesn't mean that's the Rhetorics for many other Nations... Ghana's murder rate is 1.8, Bissau is 1.1, and there are so many others, but i guess you will inaccurate stats. again right?... Anyway, just because ours is at 21 doesn't mean all Black Nations are violent you numbskull.

By the way, i've been noticing how you are deviating of my other comments, huh🤔.

you’re the one deviating. This is about black Americans. You now want try and cook up the myth of black success😂😂. African countries are the most corrupt on earth. Look at the CPI index. You think I’m going to trust their bogus, heavily underreported crime stats. The countries with the highest crime tend to have blacks or a high population of them.

Countries with the highest homicide rates and look at the black correlation

1. El Salvador: Predominantly Mestizo (mixed Indigenous and European descent); Black population is minimal.
2. Honduras: Predominantly Mestizo; Black (Garifuna) population is approximately 2%.
3. Venezuela: Predominantly Mestizo; Black population is estimated at 3-4%.
4. Jamaica: Approximately 92% of the population is of African descent.
5. South Africa: About 80% of the population is Black African.
6. Brazil: Approximately 7.6% identify as Black, with 43% identifying as mixed race (Pardo), which includes Afro-Brazilian heritage.
7. Trinidad and Tobago: Approximately 35% of the population is of African descent.
8. Belize: About 21% of the population is of African (Creole) descent.
9. Guatemala: Predominantly Mestizo and Indigenous; Black population is minimal.
10. Mexico: Predominantly Mestizo; Black (Afro-Mexican) population is approximately 2%.
11. Colombia: Approximately 10.6% identify as Black, with an additional 3.4% identifying as Afro-Colombian.
12. Nigeria: Over 99% of the population is Black African.
13. Democratic Republic of the Congo: Over 99% of the population is Black African.
14. Central African Republic: Over 90% of the population is Black African.
15. Papua New Guinea: Predominantly Melanesian; Black population is minimal.
16. Afghanistan: Predominantly Pashtun, Tajik, and Hazara; Black population is negligible.
17. Haiti: Approximately 95% of the population is of African descent.
18. Sudan: Approximately 70% of the population is Black African.
19. Somalia: Over 85% of the population is of Somali ethnicity, which is generally classified as Black African.
20. Lesotho: Over 99% of the population is Black African (primarily Sotho).
21. Botswana: Over 90% of the population is Black African (primarily Tswana).
22. Zimbabwe: Over 99% of the population is Black African (primarily Shona and Ndebele).
23. Mali: Over 90% of the population is Black African (primarily Mande groups).
24. Ivory Coast (Côte d’Ivoire): Approximately 90% of the population is Black African (primarily Akan and other groups).
25. Chad: Approximately 85% of the population is Black African (primarily Sara and other groups).
26. Uganda: Over 99% of the population is Black African (primarily Baganda and other groups).
27. Kenya: Approximately 97% of the population is Black African (primarily Kikuyu and other groups).
28. Tanzania: Over 99% of the population is Black African (primarily Sukuma and other groups).
29. Mozambique: Approximately 99% of the population is Black African (primarily Makhuwa and other groups).
30. Zambia: Over 99% of the population is Black African (primarily Bemba and other groups)

Derekmiles:
"No black led society can ever do well. Never in a trillion years".

Is that also one of your stats.?

You mentioned South Asian countries, take away Singapore, no South Asian countries is doing better than Barbados economically; you could say their economy mainly comes from tourism, but it doesn't negate the fact that they're doing better than all South Asian Nations bar Singapore... In fact, many Carribean Nations are doing better economically than South Asian Nations; fine, like i said before, tourism, but this is about who's doing better right

Nonsense
1. Economic Size (GDP)

Claim: Caribbean nations like Barbados are doing better economically than South Asian countries (excluding Singapore).
Debunk: This claim does not hold when considering GDP size.
• Barbados GDP (2024, Nominal): Approximately $5 billion.
• South Asian Countries GDP (2024, Nominal):
• India: $3.9 trillion
• Bangladesh: $500 billion
• Pakistan: $300 billion
• Sri Lanka: $80 billion
• Even smaller South Asian countries like Bhutan ($3 billion) or Maldives ($7 billion) have economies comparable to or larger than Barbados in nominal terms. India alone outstrips all Caribbean nations combined by a huge margin.

Conclusion: On the basis of total GDP, South Asian nations are far ahead of Caribbean nations like Barbados.

2. Per Capita Income

Claim: Barbados outperforms South Asian countries in per capita income.
Debunk: This is partially true but requires context.
• Barbados GDP per capita (2024): ~$17,000 (PPP: ~$25,000).
• South Asian GDP per capita (2024):
• India: ~$2,850 (PPP: ~$10,000)
• Bangladesh: ~$3,000 (PPP: ~$8,200)
• Sri Lanka: ~$3,600 (PPP: ~$14,000)
• Maldives: ~$14,000 (PPP: ~$26,000).
• While Barbados has higher per capita income compared to most South Asian nations, exceptions like the Maldives (also tourism-driven) and Sri Lanka (PPP basis) show comparable or better economic outcomes in specific measures.

Conclusion: Barbados outperforms on per capita income compared to larger South Asian nations, but the Maldives is at a similar level and higher in PPP terms.

3. Economic Structure and Dependence on Tourism

Claim: Caribbean nations are doing better economically because of tourism, but it doesn’t negate their performance.
Debunk: While tourism supports GDP in both regions, South Asia’s economies are more diversified and resilient.
• Barbados Tourism Dependency: Contributes over 30% of GDP and employs ~40% of the workforce.
• South Asian Tourism Dependency:
• Maldives: ~60% of GDP (heavily tourism-dependent, comparable to Barbados).
• India: ~7% of GDP, demonstrating much more diversified sectors including IT, manufacturing, and agriculture.

South Asia also sustains large domestic markets that buffer external shocks like global travel restrictions (e.g., during COVID-19). Caribbean nations, on the other hand, suffered severe economic contractions when tourism dried up.

Conclusion: Barbados’s economic reliance on tourism makes it less resilient compared to more diversified South Asian economies like India or Bangladesh.

4. Poverty and Income Inequality

Claim: Caribbean nations are “better off” economically than South Asian nations.
Debunk: Metrics like poverty rates and inequality suggest a more nuanced view.
• Barbados Poverty Rate: ~15% (2024 estimate).
• South Asia Poverty Rates:
• India: ~16% (steadily declining due to rapid economic growth).
• Bangladesh: ~20% (also improving).
• Maldives: <5% (better than Barbados).

Inequality (Gini coefficient) in Barbados is also significant (~0.35), showing disparities similar to India (0.35) or Bangladesh (0.32).

Conclusion: Caribbean nations like Barbados are not universally “better off,” especially when comparing poverty and inequality metrics.

5. Economic Growth and Development Potential

Claim: Caribbean nations are ahead of South Asia economically.
Debunk: South Asian economies are growing much faster and have greater potential.
• 2024 Growth Rates:
• India: ~6.5% (one of the fastest-growing major economies globally).
• Bangladesh: ~5.6%.
• Barbados: ~2.5%.
• Development Potential:
South Asia’s young populations and industrialization efforts position the region for sustained growth, while Caribbean nations face challenges like small market size, limited diversification, and climate risks.

Conclusion: South Asian nations have far greater growth momentum and development potential than Caribbean nations.

6. International Influence and Strategic Importance

Claim: Caribbean nations are “doing better” overall.
Debunk: South Asia’s geopolitical and economic influence far outweighs that of the Caribbean.
• India: A global power with significant influence in technology, pharmaceuticals, and geopolitics.
• Bangladesh: A rising manufacturing hub (garments, textiles).
• Caribbean Nations: Primarily reliant on tourism, with limited global influence or diversified exports.

Conclusion: South Asian nations have more global impact and economic significance than Caribbean nations like Barbados.

Most of the carribean is impoverished. The ones that aren’t are that way because of the British. Many of islands are still under western countries 😂

Go back to arguing about black Americans😂 this is not being an uncle tom either. Black societies are jnhrenelt more violent, corrupt, poorer and less developed than other parts of the world. Your such a dumbass to think it’s only the west, east Asia and the Middle East that are doing well😂

Derekmiles:
Here he goes with absolute GDP and not Per Capita again... Does this guy even realise that the people makes a country and not the other way around😂😂😂.

By absolute GDP, Brazil is richer than Norway as a country, but which does their country have a higher standard of living, better health system, wage system?... But yet Brazil is richer than Norway as a country by absolute GDP🤷🤷🤷, it's really bad when you use stats. a lot but don't even understand them.

The fact Brazil is not Scandinavian level doesn’t mean it’s doing badly. Latin American nations are far more prosperous than black ones. The Carribean which is black is the most violent, impoverished and backward part of the western hemisphere. Chile and Uruguay are pretty darn close to being a developed country. Your comparisons make no sense.

You can’t just use one stat to see how well a country is doing. The point is Latin America and Asia is doing far better than any monkey nation you want to tell me.

Brazil’s strengths lie in its economic resilience, natural resources, and improvements in social indicators. Here are some key strengths:

Economic Strengths:
1. Resilient GDP Growth:
• Brazil’s GDP grew by 0.9% in Q3 2024, reflecting strong agricultural output and domestic consumption. This highlights the country’s ability to navigate global economic uncertainties.
2. Diversified Economy:
• Brazil boasts one of the most diversified economies in Latin America, with strong sectors in agriculture, mining, manufacturing, and services.
3. Natural Resource Wealth:
• Brazil is a global leader in commodities, such as soybeans, iron ore, and oil. This resource wealth ensures consistent trade surpluses and foreign exchange inflows.
4. Declining Unemployment:
• Unemployment has dropped to a historic low of 6.4%, signaling recovery in the labor market and increased economic participation.

Social Strengths:
1. Social Protection Programs:
• Programs like Bolsa Família have effectively reduced poverty, with the poverty rate falling from 23.5% in 2022 to 21.8% in 2023.
2. Education Progress:
• High schooling rates for children (99.4%) and declining illiteracy rates show sustained investment in education.
3. Large Domestic Market:
• With a population exceeding 215 million, Brazil’s large domestic market supports economic growth through consumption.

Geopolitical Strengths:
1. Strategic Role in Global Trade:
• Brazil is a member of BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa), enhancing its influence in global economic and political affairs.
2. Renewable Energy Leadership:
• Brazil is a world leader in renewable energy, particularly hydropower and biofuels, making it more energy-independent and environmentally sustainable.

Cultural and Demographic Strengths:
1. Young Workforce:
• A predominantly young population offers a strong labor force to support long-term economic growth.
2. Rich Cultural Heritage:
• Brazil’s diverse culture and status as a tourist hub contribute significantly to its global appeal and economic opportunities

Derekmiles:
So i was not going to bother because i was getting bored, and then i saw this... Now it's starting to making sense, are you self-hating?, because there are telltale signs of that here; Example, your use of the term "They", it denotes dissociation of yourself as a Black man, which tells me you're either a Nigerian diaspora that has been away from Nigeria for a very long time, or a staunch secessionist Nigerian... But in any case, it tells a story of being blinded by delusioned Black rhetorics partly from your biases, maybe due to the movement you so wish to happen not happening how you want, which brings me back to the secessionism; so i will take it that you're most likely Igbo.

If the tribe is correct, it may also tell me how you were fast to defend Nigerians when i talked about countries where Nigerians are not really seen in a good light.

"Look at what happened to South Africa when Blacks Took Over"... Huh, well, South Africa under Apartheid was what?, Good?... The way you talk sometimes, or maybe it's the way you fix your comment; it just feels like you're a Black apologist or something, i don't want to use the "Uncle Tom" rhetoric, because i don't think you've gone that far yet, but you're getting there... Because look at the way you mentioned South Africa right, one who doesn't know about the White rule will think that it was this peaceful Nation with amazing equality for all, no disproportionate violent and barbaric discrimination, and were everyone lived happily with a big smile on their face.

I also noticed it when you talked about the KKK, the way you talked about them like this "Oh, they did this sh*t, but it's alright", and then, the way you talked about Black Nations now, it just went straight up damning... Also the way you've been portraying India way more than it actually is, while constantly putting the systemic issues by the wayside, but won't think twice to call that of Nigeria's, was also a sign.

And by the way, outside of Western Nations, which includes Western European countries, and the whole of Europe to some extent, the U.S, Australia, and New Zealand; some Asian Nations like Japan, South Korea, China, and some Middle Eastern Nations; i might be forgeting a few, but that's the general core group... Outside of those Nations anyway, no majority Non-Black Nation is doing particularly well. There are a lot of stable Nations, which you also have a lot in Africa by the way, but no one is doing particularly well, maybe except the few that like i said, i might be forgeting, oh, add Singapore to the list, i did forget that, though Singaporeans are always complaining about everything being too expensive, but that can be alluded to their heavy dependency of Importation.

And there are Black Nations doing very well, stop that self-hating cap, they are not many, but there are; The Bahamas is doing very well, quite a decent amount of Carribean Nations are doing decently actually, a few very well, some just alright.

South Africa has declined majorly particularly economically. Look at what happens when you blacks take over things. We run it into the ground. I’m not portraying India as more than it is. I’m just offended that you’re comparing it to the monkey like black societies.

Latin America and Asia are seeing tremendous growth. The carribean and Africa not so much. There is actually no successful black nation out there. They are all poor and violent.

Derekmiles:
So i was not going to bother because i was getting bored, and then i saw this... Now it's starting to making sense, are you self-hating?, because there are telltale signs of that here; Example, your use of the term "They", it denotes dissociation of yourself as a Black man, which tells me you're either a Nigerian diaspora that has been away from Nigeria for a very long time, or a staunch secessionist Nigerian... But in any case, it tells a story of being blinded by delusioned Black rhetorics partly from your biases, maybe due to the movement you so wish to happen not happening how you want, which brings me back to the secessionism; so i will take it that you're most likely Igbo.

If the tribe is correct, it may also tell me how you were fast to defend Nigerians when i talked about countries where Nigerians are not really seen in a good light.

"Look at what happened to South Africa when Blacks Took Over"... Huh, well, South Africa under Apartheid was what?, Good?... The way you talk sometimes, or maybe it's the way you fix your comment; it just feels like you're a Black apologist or something, i don't want to use the "Uncle Tom" rhetoric, because i don't think you've gone that far yet, but you're getting there... Because look at the way you mentioned South Africa right, one who doesn't know about the White rule will think that it was this peaceful Nation with amazing equality for all, no disproportionate violent and barbaric discrimination, and were everyone lived happily with a big smile on their face.

I also noticed it when you talked about the KKK, the way you talked about them like this "Oh, they did this sh*t, but it's alright", and then, the way you talked about Black Nations now, it just went straight up damning... Also the way you've been portraying India way more than it actually is, while constantly putting the systemic issues by the wayside, but won't think twice to call that of Nigeria's, was also a sign.

And by the way, outside of Western Nations, which includes Western European countries, and the whole of Europe to some extent, the U.S, Australia, and New Zealand; some Asian Nations like Japan, South Korea, China, and some Middle Eastern Nations; i might be forgeting a few, but that's the general core group... Outside of those Nations anyway, no majority Non-Black Nation is doing particularly well. There are a lot of stable Nations, which you also have a lot in Africa by the way, but no one is doing particularly well, maybe except the few that like i said, i might be forgeting, oh, add Singapore to the list, i did forget that, though Singaporeans are always complaining about everything being too expensive, but that can be alluded to their heavy dependency of Importation.

And there are Black Nations doing very well, stop that self-hating cap, they are not many, but there are; The Bahamas is doing very well, quite a decent amount of Carribean Nations are doing decently actually, a few very well, some just alright.

Bro what are you doing? I’ll debunk you even harder if you try and compare black societies globally. Asian, Latin and European countries are light years ahead of blacks 😂. We only good at building monkey civilisations. Get real.
The likelihood of Nigeria breaking up in the future is moderate to high, depending on how its deep-rooted challenges are managed. In the short term (5-10 years), outright fragmentation is unlikely because the federal government has a strong military, centralized control over resources, and significant international support to maintain its territorial integrity. However, tensions will persist, particularly in the Southeast with the IPOB secessionist movement and in the Niger Delta over resource control.

In the long term (10-30 years), the risk increases if key issues—like ethnic and regional divisions, economic inequality, governance failures, and insecurity—are left unaddressed. Persistent dissatisfaction in marginalized regions, coupled with worsening insecurity (e.g., insurgencies, banditry), could lead to stronger separatist movements or a complete weakening of state authority. While Nigeria has weathered such challenges before, continued instability without reforms to decentralize power or address grievances significantly raises the odds of fragmentation in the future. No black led society can ever do well. Never in a trillion years.

Derekmiles:
So i was not going to bother because i was getting bored, and then i saw this... Now it's starting to making sense, are you self-hating?, because there are telltale signs of that here; Example, your use of the term "They", it denotes dissociation of yourself as a Black man, which tells me you're either a Nigerian diaspora that has been away from Nigeria for a very long time, or a staunch secessionist Nigerian... But in any case, it tells a story of being blinded by delusioned Black rhetorics partly from your biases, maybe due to the movement you so wish to happen not happening how you want, which brings me back to the secessionism; so i will take it that you're most likely Igbo.

If the tribe is correct, it may also tell me how you were fast to defend Nigerians when i talked about countries where Nigerians are not really seen in a good light.

"Look at what happened to South Africa when Blacks Took Over"... Huh, well, South Africa under Apartheid was what?, Good?... The way you talk sometimes, or maybe it's the way you fix your comment; it just feels like you're a Black apologist or something, i don't want to use the "Uncle Tom" rhetoric, because i don't think you've gone that far yet, but you're getting there... Because look at the way you mentioned South Africa right, one who doesn't know about the White rule will think that it was this peaceful Nation with amazing equality for all, no disproportionate violent and barbaric discrimination, and were everyone lived happily with a big smile on their face.

I also noticed it when you talked about the KKK, the way you talked about them like this "Oh, they did this sh*t, but it's alright", and then, the way you talked about Black Nations now, it just went straight up damning... Also the way you've been portraying India way more than it actually is, while constantly putting the systemic issues by the wayside, but won't think twice to call that of Nigeria's, was also a sign.

And by the way, outside of Western Nations, which includes Western European countries, and the whole of Europe to some extent, the U.S, Australia, and New Zealand; some Asian Nations like Japan, South Korea, China, and some Middle Eastern Nations; i might be forgeting a few, but that's the general core group... Outside of those Nations anyway, no majority Non-Black Nation is doing particularly well. There are a lot of stable Nations, which you also have a lot in Africa by the way, but no one is doing particularly well, maybe except the few that like i said, i might be forgeting, oh, add Singapore to the list, i did forget that, though Singaporeans are always complaining about everything being too expensive, but that can be alluded to their heavy dependency of Importation.

And there are Black Nations doing very well, stop that self-hating cap, they are not many, but there are; The Bahamas is doing very well, quite a decent amount of Carribean Nations are doing decently actually, a few very well, some just alright.

Wow you now want to shift the goalpost. There are no black nations doing well. All black countries and societies are doomed to failure. The Carribean countries used the economic system left by the Brits. Blacks have proven incapable of constructing a successful civilisation. Most of the carribean is impoverished. The ones that aren’t are under European /Western control. Black Societies are about as functional as monkey civilisations. Monkey civilisations is an insult

You’re a complete fool if you think prosperity is only with the west and east Asia and the gulf. Latin America, South Asia and mroe parts of the world disagree. Mexico and Brazil on their own have a GDP larger than any Black Country on earth. There are no successful black societies out there. Bahamas HDI is not even as high as Russia 😂😂

Bahamas doing well? But the carribean nations don’t even count as they had influence from the Brits. They are all shitboles. Bermuda is the only good black society on earth but that’s a UK territory

Derekmiles:
"This oversimplifies things. Some groups benefited from post-1965 policies, like skilled visas for Asians, but they still faced racism and exclusion. Saying they were “favored” ignores the nuanced ways systemic barriers hit all minorities differently"

Bro, it doesn't oversimplifies things, stop using that word, it's just a word you keep using to dilute disparities... They were literally favoured, i literally sent an article talking about this favouritism, even screenshoted it, but yet, you try skimming it... Someone is being favoured more than you in your own neighborhood is not oversimplification, it's just facts.

Did the meaning of favouritism change in the dictionary?.

1)😂😂😂, i never even once hyped up Nigeria, in fact, i may actually hate this country more than you... I just know when to be mutually objectively about things, and bring in perspectives; i never once said Nigeria was better than India, in fact, i have constantly even with my talk about India keep on saying that "they're still doing way better than us though".... My perspective is that India is more similar to Nigeria than it is to the UK you tried comparing it to; they have secessionist issues just like Nigeria, it may not be as serious, but they're definitely there, i've watched Punjabis still talking about the issues to this day; they have deep cultural and ethnic issues that's a serious detriment to them, just like Nigeria... I never said Nigeria was better than India, i said India is systemically more similar to Nigeria than it is to the UK you tried comparing it to... Even their GDP per capita is way closer to us than it is to the UK.

The way you've been hyping up India even comparing it to The UK originally, India is not that country dude, a lot of people fleeing from a country be it legally or illegally is nothing to be proud about, or twist to say "It's globalisation that is favouring them"... Nobody flees en masse from a good working country, who the f*ck does that; look at the newsline the other day of thousands of Indians illegally trying to migrate from Canada into the U.S through the border; they're ready to flee and restart their lives in the U.S, but aren't ready to do that in India, and you want me to start only looking at raw numbers like you?.... Bro, the world is way more complex than statistics.

This are the same Indians you talk about👇

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q767jgyJK3U?si=bdx3n-bEY_zEMYNL

This is the Study fraud Indians do in other countries just to get a Visa that i was telling you the other day, and yet, you want me to believe just raw numbers?🤦🤦👇
https://youtube.com/shorts/gvVsLdsd0SQ?si=jaJhyqJan36k2LRc

This is another News video talking about the Study fraud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssmXZHpI3Oo?si=ja94_I3zGc-wLyUO

This is the India you want to talk about, 5000 illegals in just a month, and that's just from the Canadian side👇... Like i continue asking you, who flees en masse from a stable working country?; and not even legally, illegally for crying out loud... Do you know how desperate thousands of people have to be to do that in the space of a month?. Yes, people migrate from stable working countries, but hardly anybody is that desperate to migrate from stable working countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7vzY15WZqo?si=LLVnAJjaVFd7juVb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ry7cqdTZYM?si=etMuDZYPYBLLIAz8

These are Indians doing a Nigerian, and illegally entering the UK, the same UK you tried comparing them with🤦🤦... No UK citizen will do this rubbish to migrate to India, but you want to compare them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsEjc6Jpu0o?si=8Ys5hyk5IXRJYVWY

Millions of Indians are literally ready to give up their Citizenship, but oh, to you, the country is stable and doing well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov1iw61L1Dk?si=KTcEtmtd4euidNRq

The similarities are so uncanny that you have to be really biased to not see it👇... Still, i'm not comparing India to Nigeria, i'm saying that they're more similar to us than they are to the UK you tried comparing them to; these are just a few issues, and the similarities are already so uncanny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V7ek5nExSY?si=_EwbUkwPp-e37jsx

This is the India you want to hype up for me, someone who has done a deep dive on that country, someone who has friends from their neighbours, and get bombarded with news constantly about India this, or India that... When i said India is a shithole, i never said it wasn't doing better than Nigeria, i've always butress that they're doing way better than Nigeria, but doing better than Nigeria doesn't mean that it still isn't a SHITHOLE... Like i said, you're speaking to the wrong crowd on the India topic.

This is the reason why i said i'm tired of the conversation with you, you don't understand how to bring perspective into things, systemic issues are basically a non-issue to you, it's raw numbers this, raw numbers that, if only humans and human societies were that simple, we would all be living amazingly... You don't even realise that humans are more complex based off the systemic issues than the various statistics you keep bringing up.

Wow you didn’t do what I think you just did. How can blacks criticise others for scamming? Indians don’t commit as much crime as Africans, Carribeans or these black Americans themselves you defend

This is why you need objective data to create an argument. Your entire response is cherrypicked with all those videos you’ve selected. Your a joke 😂
The thing you’ve failed to actually understand what I was saying when comapring the UK to India. It’s not that India is as developed as the UK. It’s nowhere. But the economic potential of the country is definitely comparable to the UK.

1. Study Visa Fraud and Illegal Migration
• Claim: Indians engage in visa fraud and illegal migration (e.g., UK, Canada) at a scale that reflects desperation and systemic issues.
• Debunk: Yes, there’s undeniable fraud and illegal migration, but this doesn’t mean India as a whole is unstable or falling apart.
• Perspective: India has over 1.4 billion people—even if a fraction engage in fraud or illegal migration, it looks massive compared to smaller countries. But that’s not the majority. Most Indian migrants are legal, skilled professionals or students contributing to economies like the UK, US, and Canada.
• Global Migration Trends: Illegal migration isn’t unique to India. Nigerians, Mexicans, and even some Eastern Europeans engage in similar activities for better opportunities. Fraud exists everywhere, but it doesn’t define a country.

2. “Who flees en masse from a stable country?”
• Claim: Mass migration from India shows the country is unstable or not working.
• Debunk: People migrate not just because a country is unstable, but because better opportunities exist elsewhere.
• India’s Case: Indians migrate for economic mobility—higher wages, better jobs, or education. Leaving doesn’t mean the country is a disaster; it reflects a desire for global opportunities.
• Comparison: People from stable countries like the UK, Canada, or Germany also migrate, but not as visibly because they don’t face the same scale of challenges or barriers. For a country with India’s size, migration trends are amplified.

3. “Indians are giving up citizenship en masse.”
• Claim: Millions of Indians are desperate to renounce citizenship, proving systemic failure.
• Debunk: While it’s true many Indians give up citizenship, it’s not about “desperation.”
• Global Migration for Citizenship: Indians often acquire foreign citizenship after years abroad (e.g., in the US, Canada, or Australia). These people are typically skilled professionals, not fleeing instability but upgrading their status for convenience (e.g., easier travel, better tax systems).
• India’s Restrictions: India doesn’t allow dual citizenship. Many Indians who renounce it would keep both if allowed. Renouncing citizenship doesn’t automatically mean discontent with India.

4. Comparing India to the UK
• Claim: India can’t be compared to the UK because UK citizens wouldn’t migrate illegally to India.
• Debunk: This is an apples-to-oranges comparison. The UK is a wealthy, developed country. India is a developing economy—naturally, migration flows favor wealthier destinations.
• India’s Progress: Comparing India’s current state to the UK ignores India’s trajectory. India’s economy is growing rapidly, lifting millions out of poverty, and it’s becoming a global powerhouse in industries like IT, pharmaceuticals, and manufacturing. This is why I said to you potential. India has economic and geopolitical potential that’s way pass the UK and on par with US and China. The same can’t be said for Zoogeria at all.
• Legacy Issues: India inherited systemic problems like poverty, inequality, and overpopulation, but it’s progressing faster than many other countries at a similar stage of development.

5. “India is more similar to Nigeria.”
• Claim: India is more like Nigeria than the UK due to systemic issues, migration patterns, and desperation.
• Debunk: India and Nigeria share some challenges, like ethnic divides and poverty, but they’re not on the same level.
• Economic Differences: India’s economy is diversified and globally integrated, while Nigeria relies heavily on oil exports. India is actively reducing poverty and building infrastructure, whereas Nigeria faces chronic corruption and stagnation.
• Global Role: India is seen as a global power with growing influence, while Nigeria is still struggling to stabilize internally.

6. Systemic Issues vs. Statistics
• Claim: Stats oversimplify things and ignore systemic issues that define human experiences.
• Debunk: Stats aren’t perfect, but they give clear, measurable insights into trends.
• Systemic issues absolutely matter, but they don’t negate India’s progress. Migration patterns, GDP growth, and global influence show a country that’s far from perfect but clearly moving forward.
• Saying “India is a shithole” ignores the millions benefiting from its development, even while systemic issues persist

Derekmiles:
"I just had to debunk your argument that Indians are fleeing where else per capita wise they are actually not fleeing as much as you’re making it out to be".

Bro, you are an actual fool who can't accept when he's wrong... You brought in statistics that you didn't even know the meaning of... I know you actually thought that net migration of 19.5 means people are leaving the country a lot when it's the actual opposite😂😂😂.

India has one of the highest immigration rates to other countries of any country at -0.3, do you know how crazy it is to have a net migration rate of -0.3, that is a situation of everybody wants to leave... You don't even know the stats. you brought out😂😂😂.

Nigeria has a lower net migration rate than India at -0.2, that is really telling bro, and hardly anyone migrates to Nigeria... That means even Nigerians are not that desperate to leave Nigeria as much as Indians are to leave India.

I swear to God, this dude brought out a stats. that he can't read, you literally brought out a stat. that you can't read, this is really shocking, the stats. dude can't read his own stats😂😂😂.

I wouldn’t even trust Nigeria’s numbers. Nigeria wouldn’t collect its data anywhere near as well as other countries even India. Nothing works there. But the point is you said Indians are fleeing even though more people from other countries are fleeing.


Net Migration: What It Actually Means
• A negative net migration rate (e.g., India at -0.3) indicates more people are leaving the country than coming in.
• A positive net migration rate (e.g., South Sudan at +19.1) means more people are entering the country than leaving.

So, yeah, India’s -0.3 and Nigeria’s -0.2 are clear signs of more outflow than inflow—and you’re spot on that this shows how many people want to leave, particularly in India’s case.

India vs. Nigeria: What these Stats Actually Show
1. India (-0.3 Net Migration):
• This is a high emigration rate for a country its size. People leave in large numbers for better jobs, education, and opportunities abroad—it’s true, many Indians are eager to leave.
• The massive Indian diaspora and news about illegal border crossings (e.g., Canada to the US) highlight this. People don’t flee en masse from a country they’re fully satisfied with, no question there.
2. Nigeria (-0.2 Net Migration):
• Nigeria has less outflow proportionally, but it’s not because Nigerians are happier at home—it’s just that migration barriers are higher for many Nigerians.
• Nigerians still try to migrate illegally (e.g., the Mediterranean route to Europe), but the lower net migration rate suggests that fewer Nigerians succeed in leaving compared to Indians.





Nigeria’s lower rate (-0.2) just means fewer Nigerians are leaving proportionally, but that doesn’t automatically mean Nigerians are more satisfied with staying—it’s more about access and opportunities to migrate.

Nigerians are less likely to leave because they are more likely to be banned from other countries than Indians. You reason like an FBA. Migration rate is a terrible metric for development. You brought that up. All I said is that India’s migration rate is not amongst the highest in the world. It being slightly higher than Nigeria which is down to Indians having an easier time going abroad is meaningless.Nigerians can’t really leave the country or at least anywhere as easily as an Indian can. The Indian passport is far more powerful than the Nigerian one.

Derekmiles:
"This oversimplifies things. Some groups benefited from post-1965 policies, like skilled visas for Asians, but they still faced racism and exclusion. Saying they were “favored” ignores the nuanced ways systemic barriers hit all minorities differently"

Bro, it doesn't oversimplifies things, stop using that word, it's just a word you keep using to dilute disparities... They were literally favoured, i literally sent an article talking about this favouritism, even screenshoted it, but yet, you try skimming it... Someone is being favoured more than you in your own neighborhood is not oversimplification, it's just facts.

Did the meaning of favouritism change in the dictionary?.

1)😂😂😂, i never even once hyped up Nigeria, in fact, i may actually hate this country more than you... I just know when to be mutually objectively about things, and bring in perspectives; i never once said Nigeria was better than India, in fact, i have constantly even with my talk about India keep on saying that "they're still doing way better than us though".... My perspective is that India is more similar to Nigeria than it is to the UK you tried comparing it to; they have secessionist issues just like Nigeria, it may not be as serious, but they're definitely there, i've watched Punjabis still talking about the issues to this day; they have deep cultural and ethnic issues that's a serious detriment to them, just like Nigeria... I never said Nigeria was better than India, i said India is systemically more similar to Nigeria than it is to the UK you tried comparing it to... Even their GDP per capita is way closer to us than it is to the UK.

The way you've been hyping up India even comparing it to The UK originally, India is not that country dude, a lot of people fleeing from a country be it legally or illegally is nothing to be proud about, or twist to say "It's globalisation that is favouring them"... Nobody flees en masse from a good working country, who the f*ck does that; look at the newsline the other day of thousands of Indians illegally trying to migrate from Canada into the U.S through the border; they're ready to flee and restart their lives in the U.S, but aren't ready to do that in India, and you want me to start only looking at raw numbers like you?.... Bro, the world is way more complex than statistics.

This are the same Indians you talk about👇

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q767jgyJK3U?si=bdx3n-bEY_zEMYNL

This is the Study fraud Indians do in other countries just to get a Visa that i was telling you the other day, and yet, you want me to believe just raw numbers?🤦🤦👇
https://youtube.com/shorts/gvVsLdsd0SQ?si=jaJhyqJan36k2LRc

This is another News video talking about the Study fraud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssmXZHpI3Oo?si=ja94_I3zGc-wLyUO

This is the India you want to talk about, 5000 illegals in just a month, and that's just from the Canadian side👇... Like i continue asking you, who flees en masse from a stable working country?; and not even legally, illegally for crying out loud... Do you know how desperate thousands of people have to be to do that in the space of a month?. Yes, people migrate from stable working countries, but hardly anybody is that desperate to migrate from stable working countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7vzY15WZqo?si=LLVnAJjaVFd7juVb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ry7cqdTZYM?si=etMuDZYPYBLLIAz8

These are Indians doing a Nigerian, and illegally entering the UK, the same UK you tried comparing them with🤦🤦... No UK citizen will do this rubbish to migrate to India, but you want to compare them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsEjc6Jpu0o?si=8Ys5hyk5IXRJYVWY

Millions of Indians are literally ready to give up their Citizenship, but oh, to you, the country is stable and doing well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov1iw61L1Dk?si=KTcEtmtd4euidNRq

The similarities are so uncanny that you have to be really biased to not see it👇... Still, i'm not comparing India to Nigeria, i'm saying that they're more similar to us than they are to the UK you tried comparing them to; these are just a few issues, and the similarities are already so uncanny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V7ek5nExSY?si=_EwbUkwPp-e37jsx

This is the India you want to hype up for me, someone who has done a deep dive on that country, someone who has friends from their neighbours, and get bombarded with news constantly about India this, or India that... When i said India is a shithole, i never said it wasn't doing better than Nigeria, i've always butress that they're doing way better than Nigeria, but doing better than Nigeria doesn't mean that it still isn't a SHITHOLE... Like i said, you're speaking to the wrong crowd on the India topic.

This is the reason why i said i'm tired of the conversation with you, you don't understand how to bring perspective into things, systemic issues are basically a non-issue to you, it's raw numbers this, raw numbers that, if only humans and human societies were that simple, we would all be living amazingly... You don't even realise that humans are more complex based off the systemic issues than the various statistics you keep bringing up.

Statistics reveal to us as to how developed a country is. You can’t formulate an argument as to how developed. Country merely based on opinion. Development is objective you fool. You have to use statistics to find out how developed a country is.

Alright, here’s a more humanized and concise response to debunk the claims:

1. Favouritism in US Immigration
• Claim: Post-1965 US policies favored Asians, so it’s not “oversimplification” to call it favouritism.
• Debunk: Those policies were skills-based, not racially designed. Asians benefited because many came with the education and qualifications the system valued.
• It wasn’t “favoring Asians” so much as “favoring skills.” Other groups didn’t lose out because of race—it was about meeting criteria.
• Asians still faced racism and systemic barriers, so calling it outright favouritism ignores the struggles they dealt with after arriving.

2. India vs. Nigeria vs. the UK
• Claim: India is more like Nigeria than the UK due to secessionist issues, cultural divides, and GDP per capita.
• Debunk: On the surface, sure, India and Nigeria share some challenges. But the differences are huge:
• Economic Growth: India’s economy is booming and diverse (tech, manufacturing, pharma), while Nigeria is still heavily reliant on oil.
• Infrastructure: India’s railways, ports, and cities are far ahead of Nigeria. It’s messy, but it works.
• Global Role: India is a global power with growing influence, while Nigeria will never come close.

India has problems, but it’s on a completely different trajectory from Nigeria. Comparing it to the UK makes sense when you look at its economic potential and global influence. That’s why I compared the UK to India as both countries do have the same economic potential and India’s global influence is starting to rival the UK now. Obviously, it will take time for India to reach UK’s development levels but it will get there.

3. Migration Doesn’t Equal Dysfunction
• Claim: People don’t flee good countries. India’s migration shows dysfunction, not globalization.
• Debunk: Migration isn’t always about escaping bad situations. Indians often move for opportunity, like higher pay or education, not because they’re fleeing hardship.
• Legal Migration: India has the world’s largest diaspora, and most of it is legal. Skilled workers, students, and professionals dominate migration patterns.
• Illegal Migration: Yes, some migrate illegally, but it’s a small fraction. Nigerians, on the other hand, often migrate out of necessity, not opportunity.

The key difference: Indians migrate because they can, not because they must.

4. “The World is More Complex than Numbers”
• Claim: Stats oversimplify things; they don’t capture the full picture.
• Debunk: Sure, numbers don’t tell the whole story, but they’re reliable indicators. India’s rapid economic growth, thriving diaspora, and global influence aren’t just anecdotes—they’re backed by stats.

Ignoring data in favor of “perspective” often leads to cherry-picking. Both numbers and context matter.



India and Nigeria might share some struggles, but India’s growth, infrastructure, and global influence make it a completely different story. Migration from India is about opportunity, not dysfunction, and its trajectory puts it closer to countries like the UK than Nigeria. Stats may not tell the full story, but they don’t lie either.

Derekmiles:
Well, you just shut yourself on the foot, this is the meaning of net migration... Now i've comfirmed that you're just a "follow the raw figures" guys, or follow the crowd as they say, and you don't even know what you talk about.

Now why a Nation like South Sudan will have a ratio of 19.1 this year, i don't f*cking know; but then again, it's kinda understandable, a lot of South Sudanese don't leave South Sudan, and there are a lot of Sudanese taking refuge due to the issue in Sudan, so that could be it... The way i just thought about that right now is something you will never think in your life, because to you, Raw figures are the supreme ultimate.

India has a Net migration of -0.3, Nigeria is at a -0.2... India has statistically (let me go with your statistics), a higher net rating of People leaving the country compared to people migrating into the country, there are more people ler ratio trying to migrate to Nigeria
than there are trying to migrate to India.

Indians are more welcomed overseas than Nigerians and they will obviously have more people in raw numbers leaving than Nigeria. Per capita they would be slightly higher means nothing. I just had to debunk your argument that Indians are fleeing where else per capita wise they are actually not fleeing as much as you’re making it out to be.
I argue with empirical information, you argue with anecdotal BS.

And immigrating to another country is not inherently bad. I told you think like an FBA. You think everyone is a tether 😂

Derekmiles:
"This oversimplifies things. Some groups benefited from post-1965 policies, like skilled visas for Asians, but they still faced racism and exclusion. Saying they were “favored” ignores the nuanced ways systemic barriers hit all minorities differently"

Bro, it doesn't oversimplifies things, stop using that word, it's just a word you keep using to dilute disparities... They were literally favoured, i literally sent an article talking about this favouritism, even screenshoted it, but yet, you try skimming it... Someone is being favoured more than you in your own neighborhood is not oversimplification, it's just facts.

Did the meaning of favouritism change in the dictionary?.

1)😂😂😂, i never even once hyped up Nigeria, in fact, i may actually hate this country more than you... I just know when to be mutually objectively about things, and bring in perspectives; i never once said Nigeria was better than India, in fact, i have constantly even with my talk about India keep on saying that "they're still doing way better than us though".... My perspective is that India is more similar to Nigeria than it is to the UK you tried comparing it to; they have secessionist issues just like Nigeria, it may not be as serious, but they're definitely there, i've watched Punjabis still talking about the issues to this day; they have deep cultural and ethnic issues that's a serious detriment to them, just like Nigeria... I never said Nigeria was better than India, i said India is systemically more similar to Nigeria than it is to the UK you tried comparing it to... Even their GDP per capita is way closer to us than it is to the UK.

The way you've been hyping up India even comparing it to The UK originally, India is not that country dude, a lot of people fleeing from a country be it legally or illegally is nothing to be proud about, or twist to say "It's globalisation that is favouring them"... Nobody flees en masse from a good working country, who the f*ck does that; look at the newsline the other day of thousands of Indians illegally trying to migrate from Canada into the U.S through the border; they're ready to flee and restart their lives in the U.S, but aren't ready to do that in India, and you want me to start only looking at raw numbers like you?.... Bro, the world is way more complex than statistics.

This are the same Indians you talk about👇

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q767jgyJK3U?si=bdx3n-bEY_zEMYNL

This is the Study fraud Indians do in other countries just to get a Visa that i was telling you the other day, and yet, you want me to believe just raw numbers?🤦🤦👇
https://youtube.com/shorts/gvVsLdsd0SQ?si=jaJhyqJan36k2LRc

This is another News video talking about the Study fraud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssmXZHpI3Oo?si=ja94_I3zGc-wLyUO

This is the India you want to talk about, 5000 illegals in just a month, and that's just from the Canadian side👇... Like i continue asking you, who flees en masse from a stable working country?; and not even legally, illegally for crying out loud... Do you know how desperate thousands of people have to be to do that in the space of a month?. Yes, people migrate from stable working countries, but hardly anybody is that desperate to migrate from stable working countries.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7vzY15WZqo?si=LLVnAJjaVFd7juVb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ry7cqdTZYM?si=etMuDZYPYBLLIAz8

These are Indians doing a Nigerian, and illegally entering the UK, the same UK you tried comparing them with🤦🤦... No UK citizen will do this rubbish to migrate to India, but you want to compare them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UsEjc6Jpu0o?si=8Ys5hyk5IXRJYVWY

Millions of Indians are literally ready to give up their Citizenship, but oh, to you, the country is stable and doing well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov1iw61L1Dk?si=KTcEtmtd4euidNRq

The similarities are so uncanny that you have to be really biased to not see it👇... Still, i'm not comparing India to Nigeria, i'm saying that they're more similar to us than they are to the UK you tried comparing them to; these are just a few issues, and the similarities are already so uncanny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4V7ek5nExSY?si=_EwbUkwPp-e37jsx

This is the India you want to hype up for me, someone who has done a deep dive on that country, someone who has friends from their neighbours, and get bombarded with news constantly about India this, or India that... When i said India is a shithole, i never said it wasn't doing better than Nigeria, i've always butress that they're doing way better than Nigeria, but doing better than Nigeria doesn't mean that it still isn't a SHITHOLE... Like i said, you're speaking to the wrong crowd on the India topic.

This is the reason why i said i'm tired of the conversation with you, you don't understand how to bring perspective into things, systemic issues are basically a non-issue to you, it's raw numbers this, raw numbers that, if only humans and human societies were that simple, we would all be living amazingly... You don't even realise that humans are more complex based off the systemic issues than the various statistics you keep bringing up.

Here is a list of the top 30 countries with the highest net migration rates (migrants per 1,000 population):
1. Ukraine: 36.5
2. South Sudan: 19.1
3. Venezuela: 13.2
4. British Virgin Islands: 12.9
5. Equatorial Guinea: 12.3
6. Cayman Islands: 11.4
7. Luxembourg: 10.9
8. Monaco: 10.5
9. Anguilla: 10.5
10. Turks and Caicos Islands: 8.4
11. Aruba: 8.1
12. Ireland: 6.8
13. Burundi: 6.8
14. Cyprus: 6.7
15. Australia: 6.4
16. Saudi Arabia: 6.1
17. Switzerland: 6.0
18. San Marino: 5.9
19. Sint Maarten: 5.8
20. Canada: 5.4
21. Malta: 5.0
22. New Zealand: 4.8
23. Liechtenstein: 4.8
24. Isle of Man: 4.5
25. Djibouti: 4.4
26. Spain: 4.2
27. Singapore: 4.2
28. Belgium: 4.2
29. Netherlands: 4.1
30. Norway: 3.8
You just want to exaggerate how bad India is. It doesn’t even have anywhere near the highest net migration rate.

Ekeletu:
Wow!
Does this mean that he is richer than Nigerian politicians?

No Nigerian politician is anywhere as rich as $20 billion. Nigerians hype themselves

Derekmiles:
😂😂😂... No you didn't you idiot... You never onced proved that Black Wealth was deminishing, if anything, like i said before, it's grown since that 2017.

Nobody said "don't acknowledge the other forms of discrimination", nobody said that, struggles are not meant to be diminished, but at the same time, all struggles are not equal... You've been using the systemic issues Asians and Latinos faced as a comparative quantification to vilify the Black American community from the onset, this is something you've constantly done in your comments, and now you want track back.

Bro, perspectives exists for a reason, you're an actual fool if you don't realise that, you want to compare their wealth difference, but don't want to compare the differences of their systemic issues, do you see were your biases lie, one can't work without the other... The same groups you're comparing to the Black community since the very onset were actively favoured more than the Black community for a long time after the Civil Rights Movement in their communities, and you still have the guts to talk about differences in Systemic discrimination... When a minority that is facing some discrimination, is still being favoured over you in your own community, you're literally at the bottom of the barrel, there is no other explanation for that; you are literally f*cked beyond explanation; so your take since the very onset of this conversation is still extremely bad, and very bias driven.

Please don't put the Anti-Asian immigration act when talking about the U.S racial history in the same sentence as the discrimination of the Black community... The Anti-Asian immigration act didn't give Asian communities no hope whatsoever because they still had their individual countries to rely on, they weren't even in the U.S, the act was a immigration policy to stop immigration of Asians, with the Asians already in their country; Black communities were being completely discriminated in their own country, their only option was to take it, and fight until it gets better, they are not even in the same league of discrimination.

Since we've been talking:
* You've disrespected the Black American history.
* Askewed the U.S racial history.
* Tried to claim that other minority groups did just as much as the Black community in the Civil Rights Movement, that was so degrading and disrespectful, i won't even bother with that.
* Use other minorities to vilify the Black American community, while setting the systemic issues by the wayside, you want to talk about wealth but don't want those factors to be talked about😂😂😂.
* What others; and Oh, try to make India more than what it is... Yea, that's why their population are the majorly finding ways to leave the country, be it legally or illegally.

All i can say is kudos, you really are delusional about the World we live in.

All you’ve done is
1. Hype up Nigeria and underrate india. I never said India was a utopia but it has far better prospects. I can’t wait for Nigeria to break up in a couple years time and India is still flourishing. Deep down, you know that Nigeria is nowhere near the level of India. A country that doesn’t even have basic amenities like good roads, stable power, rule of law etc is what you’re comparing to India? You’re a fool. You’re the one that is clueless about this world.

2. Not acknowledge the failure of black Americans especially relative to others.

3. Behaved like a typical FBA clown.
Here’s a more concise and humanized response:

1. “No you didn’t, you idiot… You never once proved that Black wealth was diminishing. If anything, like I said before, it’s grown since 2017.”

It’s true that Black wealth has grown in absolute terms, but the wealth gap between Black and White households has widened. Wealth inequality isn’t just about growth; it’s about how opportunities and resources are distributed. Ignoring that bigger picture oversimplifies the issue.

2. “Nobody said ‘don’t acknowledge the other forms of discrimination,’ nobody said that. Struggles are not meant to be diminished, but at the same time, all struggles are not equal…”

Struggles are different, not necessarily “unequal.” Black Americans faced a unique legacy of slavery and systemic exclusion, but other communities, like Asians and Latinos, also faced severe barriers. Their experiences differ, but comparing doesn’t mean diminishing.

3. “You’ve been using the systemic issues Asians and Latinos faced as a comparative quantification to vilify the Black American community from the onset…”

No one is vilifying the Black community. Bringing up other groups’ struggles is about understanding how racism and systemic barriers affect everyone differently, not about undermining Black history or achievements.

4. “You want to compare their wealth difference but don’t want to compare the differences of their systemic issues…”

Fair point—wealth disparities can’t be separated from systemic issues. For example, redlining hurt Black Americans’ ability to build wealth, just as immigration bans limited opportunities for Asian families. Both systems shaped today’s inequalities in different ways.

5. “The same groups you’re comparing to the Black community since the very onset were actively favored more than the Black community for a long time after the Civil Rights Movement.”

This oversimplifies things. Some groups benefited from post-1965 policies, like skilled visas for Asians, but they still faced racism and exclusion. Saying they were “favored” ignores the nuanced ways systemic barriers hit all minorities differently.

6. “Please don’t put the Anti-Asian Immigration Act when talking about U.S racial history in the same sentence as the discrimination of the Black community…”

These issues are different, but they’re part of the same system of racial injustice. Black Americans were citizens facing systemic exclusion, while Asians were barred from even entering. Both are vital pieces of U.S. racial history.

7. “Since we’ve been talking: You’ve disrespected Black American history…”

That’s not the intention. Discussing other groups’ struggles doesn’t mean disrespecting Black history—it means showing how deep and pervasive racism is across all communities. Everyone’s story matters.

This isn’t about ranking struggles; it’s about recognizing the different ways systemic racism impacts people and understanding those nuances to fight for real change.