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 Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 10:46pm On Dec 13, 2024 |
Derekmiles:I won’t stop saying this ‘Based on the data and trends, Black wealth in the United States is getting worse relative to other racial groups, even if there have been some recent nominal gains’ Reasons for black wealth diminishing. Racial Wealth Gap: Despite overall increases in median wealth, the disparity between Black and White households has widened, with the gap reaching $240,120 between the median White and Black households.  • Projected Decline in Black Wealth: If current trends persist, median Black household wealth is on track to hit zero by 2053, exacerbating economic inequalities.  • Lower Inheritance and Homeownership Rates: Historical discrimination in housing policies has led to lower homeownership rates and smaller inheritances for Black families, hindering wealth accumulation across generations. It’s hilarious that to you the article I posted about blacks reaching zero wealth is propaganda. That projection that Black median household wealth could reach zero by 2053 originates from the 2017 report “The Road to Zero Wealth,” published by Prosperity Now and the Institute for Policy Studies. This analysis is grounded in data from the Federal Reserve’s Survey of Consumer Finances, examining wealth trends from 1983 to 2013.’ The report highlights systemic issues such as discriminatory housing policies, wage disparities, and limited access to financial resources as contributing factors to the racial wealth gap. While some critics may view the projection as alarmist, it is based on historical data and current trends, underscoring the urgency for policy interventions to address economic disparities’ But please continue ignoring what analysts have said. You haven’t given a suitable argument that debunks it. You can’t just look at black wealth growing. It’s their growing debt that will make them broker by 2053 😂 |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 9:31pm On Dec 13, 2024 |
Derekmiles:And for the last time concerning black wealth, I will debunk you again. Based on the data and trends, Black wealth in the United States is getting worse relative to other racial groups, even if there have been some recent nominal gains. Why It’s Getting Worse: 1. Wealth Gap Widening: • Despite some increases in median Black household wealth (e.g., recent gains from $24,000 in 2019 to $45,000 in 2022), the wealth gap between Black and white households has grown in absolute terms. White household median wealth is now $242,000 higher than Black household wealth. 2. Structural Inequities: • Historical systemic barriers, such as redlining, discriminatory lending, and labor market disparities, continue to hinder wealth accumulation for Black families. • Black millennials and Gen Z are less likely to inherit wealth compared to their white counterparts. 3. Zero Wealth Projection: • A 2017 report projected that if trends persist, the median Black household could reach $0 wealth by 2053. Even with recent gains, this alarming trajectory has not been fully reversed. 4. Fragility of Gains: • Recent increases in Black wealth are primarily tied to short-term factors like homeownership during a favorable housing market, which remains fragile and volatile. 5. Intergenerational Barriers: • White families are benefiting more significantly from intergenerational wealth transfers, perpetuating and even widening the wealth gap. While there have been some recent gains in Black wealth, these are insufficient to counteract long-term systemic disparities. Without targeted interventions and structural reforms, the outlook suggests continued relative decline. In relative terms, Black wealth is getting worse, not better. On the other hand Latino Americans: 1. Income & Wealth Growth: • Median Household Income: Latino median household income in the U.S. has been steadily rising. As of the most recent data, it’s around $65,000 which is about 70% of the national average of $78,000. This is a significant increase from previous decades, largely driven by the growing number of Latino professionals and entrepreneurs. • Wealth Growth: Latino Americans’ wealth is on the rise, especially in communities with higher levels of education and homeownership. As of 2022, the Latino purchasing power was estimated at $2.6 trillion, and it’s expected to reach $2.9 trillion by 2025. This growth is mainly from increased labor force participation and entrepreneurship. • Homeownership: While still behind white Americans, Latino homeownership has been growing, which is a major driver of wealth. In fact, Latino-owned households are buying homes at an increasing rate, contributing to long-term wealth growth. 2. Contribution to the U.S. Economy: • Labor Force: Latinos represent nearly 20% of the U.S. workforce and are especially concentrated in industries like agriculture, construction, and hospitality. Without their labor, certain sectors would collapse, highlighting their crucial role in the U.S. economy. • Entrepreneurship: Latino entrepreneurship is booming. Over 4.7 million Latino-owned businesses exist today, and they’re growing faster than businesses owned by other racial or ethnic groups. These businesses are vital in driving local economies, creating jobs, and promoting innovation. 3. Future Outlook: • The future looks promising for Latino wealth. With a younger population (a large proportion of Latinos are under 35), there’s potential for further wealth accumulation, particularly as educational attainment rises and intergenerational wealth transfers start to play a bigger role. Asian Americans: 1. Income & Wealth Growth: • Median Household Income: Asian Americans as a group have the highest median household income among racial groups in the U.S., at around $94,000, which is higher than the national average. However, there are disparities within the Asian American community—Indian Americans, for example, have much higher incomes, while certain Southeast Asian groups (e.g., Cambodian, Hmong) lag behind. • Wealth Accumulation: Asian Americans have historically had higher levels of wealth compared to Black and Latino Americans, thanks in part to higher rates of homeownership and more established business ownership. In fact, Asian Americans have one of the highest rates of homeownership, particularly among Indian, Chinese, and Korean Americans. • Education & Job Opportunities: Asian Americans generally have higher educational attainment, which translates into better-paying jobs. Many are concentrated in high-tech industries, engineering, healthcare, and finance, all of which have higher average salaries. 2. Contribution to the U.S. Economy: • Innovation and Entrepreneurship: Asian Americans, especially Indian Americans, have made a major impact in sectors like technology and healthcare. For example, nearly 1 in 4 STEM (science, technology, engineering, math) professionals in the U.S. is Asian. Many Silicon Valley tech companies have been founded or led by Asian Americans, contributing immensely to the country’s economic growth. • Labor Force: Like Latinos, Asian Americans represent a significant portion of the workforce. Beyond tech, Asian Americans are also highly visible in fields like healthcare, where they are crucial in roles such as doctors, nurses, and medical researchers. 3. Future Outlook: • The Asian American population is expected to continue growing, especially among immigrant communities. This means their economic influence will likely increase as well, with expanding educational attainment and a rise in entrepreneurial activity. Compared to Black Americans: 1. Wealth Disparities: • Black Wealth: Black median wealth remains significantly lower than that of Latino and Asian Americans. As of 2022, Black median wealth was around $24,000, compared to $45,000 for Latino families and $187,000 for Asian families. The wealth gap between Black and white Americans is widening, and Black Americans still face systemic barriers that make it harder to accumulate wealth. 2. Historical Barriers to Wealth: • Black Americans continue to face historical injustices like slavery, segregation, and discriminatory practices (e.g., redlining, unequal access to loans). These structural barriers have prevented Black communities from accumulating wealth at the same pace as Latinos or Asians. • Additionally, Black Americans often face lower rates of homeownership and wage disparities, which severely limit wealth-building opportunities. The wealth gap is compounded by lower levels of intergenerational wealth transfers, which means Black families are starting at a disadvantage compared to Latino and Asian Americans. 3. Employment & Education: • While Black Americans are making strides in educational attainment and career advancement, they are still disproportionately affected by unemployment and underemployment. Black professionals earn less than their white counterparts for the same work, and Black students face barriers in accessing higher education. • The rise of the Black entrepreneurial sector is a positive sign, but the overall percentage of Black businesses remains much lower than that of Latinos and Asians. Black Americans are also less likely to have access to generational wealth, making it harder to invest in education, real estate, or businesses. Conclusion: bright, with steady increases in income, wealth, and economic contributions. Rising homeownership rates, educational attainment, and entrepreneurial activity are driving this growth. Their critical role in the U.S. labor force and growing purchasing power solidify their position as a cornerstone of the economy. If these trends continue, Latinos will likely see significant wealth gains over the next few decades. • Asian Americans: Asian Americans are the highest earners among all racial groups in the U.S., with substantial wealth accumulation fueled by high educational attainment, tech industry dominance, and successful entrepreneurship. While disparities exist within Asian communities, overall, their financial trajectory is upward, and they are set to continue leading in wealth accumulation and innovation. • Black Americans: Despite some progress, Black Americans are at a disadvantage compared to Latinos and Asians. The racial wealth gap persists, and projections of median Black household wealth potentially reaching zero by 2053 highlight the urgency of systemic reform. Historical barriers, lower homeownership rates, and employment disparities continue to impede wealth growth. Without significant policy interventions or structural changes, Black Americans may struggle to achieve financial parity |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 9:17pm On Dec 13, 2024 |
Derekmiles:You didn’t. I debunked all your claims about black wealth. I proved to you that their wealth is diminishing. Alright, let’s go through your text piece by piece and address each claim or argument step by step. I’ll clarify misunderstandings, correct inaccuracies, and point out logical inconsistencies. 1. “Huh, you never proved that Black wealth isn’t improving… I debunked that your nonsense 2017 article 0 wealth a long time ago…” • Response: • The claim about Black wealth stagnation comes from credible research, like the report by the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS), which projects Black median wealth hitting $0 by 2053 if current trends continue. This isn’t a “nonsense” article but a widely cited analysis of systemic wealth inequality. • If you believe this projection has been debunked, it’s your responsibility to provide evidence that Black wealth trends are improving significantly. Data from the Federal Reserve and Brookings Institution suggests otherwise. Blacks are getting poorer 2. “Wait, the Exclusion Act? Are you talking about the Chinese Exclusion Act of the 1800s, or the Anti-Asian immigration laws of the 1800s–early 1900s?” Response: • Yes, the Chinese Exclusion Act (1882) and related policies barred Asian immigrants based on race. It was one of the earliest examples of explicitly racist federal immigration laws. • While this primarily targeted immigrants rather than citizens, it reflects the same institutional racism that dehumanized people based on ethnicity. My argument was not that these laws are the same as what Black Americans faced, but that they’re part of a broader history of racial oppression in the U.S. 3. “So wait, let me get this straight, to you, that is discrimination, or a comparable discrimination to what Black Americans faced?” Response: • No, I did not claim they were “comparable” in severity or scope. Slavery and Jim Crow laws were uniquely devastating to Black Americans and involved atrocities like segregation, lynching, and generational disenfranchisement. • My point is that systemic discrimination takes many forms. The Chinese Exclusion Act, though different, shows how a government can codify racism into law, impacting targeted groups for generations. 4. “That is like saying when Donald Trump banned the citizens of some Muslim countries from coming to the U.S., and because of that, you then go, ‘Yes, this is comparable to slavery.’” • Response: • This analogy oversimplifies my point. The Trump-era Muslim ban wasn’t comparable to slavery but was still discriminatory. Both the Muslim ban and the Chinese Exclusion Act reflect xenophobic policies that reinforced racial hierarchies. It’s not only blacks that receive/received racial hates • Acknowledging one doesn’t minimize the other—it’s about understanding how governments enforce exclusion in different contexts. 5. “Bro, sht the fck up, you’re actually delusional. Jesus Christ, are you this dumb on perspective?” • Response: • Insults don’t strengthen your argument. Let’s keep the focus on facts rather than emotional attacks. If you believe my perspective is flawed, show why with reasoned arguments and evidence. 6. “So a government telling people from another country to stay in their country, to you, is the same or should even be put in the same sentence as people literally being lawfully segregated, lynched, used as test subjects for syphilis, and having communities burnt down?” • Response: • Again, no one equated these experiences. The Chinese Exclusion Act targeted immigrants, while Jim Crow targeted citizens. They are different in nature, but both are examples of institutional racism. • My point is to illustrate how systems of exclusion have been used against various groups throughout U.S. history, not to say they’re equally severe or interchangeable. 7. “I will tell you what you told me some time ago: stop smoking that weed you’re smoking.” • Response: • Personal attacks don’t add value to this discussion. Let’s stick to the evidence and avoid unnecessary hostility. 8. “I hate to say this, but you are actually an ignorant fool. Though I’m not even surprised because this is quite common among Nigerians…” • Response: • This comment is offensive and uncalled for. Resorting to ethnic stereotyping undermines your credibility and derails the conversation. If your goal is to debunk arguments, focus on logic and evidence, not ad hominem attacks. 9. “The fact you brought in the Anti-Asian immigration acts as proportionate discrimination with Black Americans…” • Response: • I never argued the Chinese Exclusion Act was “proportionate” to slavery or Jim Crow laws. I brought it up to show how systemic racism has affected different groups in different ways. It’s not a competition oppression takes many forms. 10. “Cry me a river… KKK members are some of the most racist people you’d ever hear speak, but I’m not even going to be shocked if a few see what you just said as the talk of a mad person.” • Response: • The KKK’s actions were vile, but acknowledging other forms of racism doesn’t diminish that. This isn’t about one group’s suffering being “worse” but understanding the larger systems of oppression. You’re a typical FBA fool. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 7:03pm On Dec 13, 2024 |
Derekmiles:You said that black financial status is improving. I debunked that as a lie and that the difference between black and Latin wealth is marginal when Latinos earn 16% more than they did and their GDP is 2x that of black America. 1. “Where did I claim it wasn’t higher? I brought up the stats’ The gap difference is clearly more than marginal is what im saying 2. “You write about systemic issues, then say ‘they’re not important.’” • Misinterpretation. Systemic issues like redlining and loan discrimination against Black Americans were never dismissed. Acknowledging that other groups faced different challenges doesn’t erase Black-specific injustices. 3. “You talked about loans given to Asian migrants in Black neighborhoods but still say others faced the same injustices.” • The favoritism shown toward Asian migrants in Black neighborhoods was an injustice against Black Americans. At the same time, Asian migrants faced broader systemic racism, like exclusion laws. These are distinct but not mutually exclusive realities. 4. “A group overlooked in favor of another group means they didn’t face the same injustices.” • True, they didn’t face identical injustices. But systemic racism affected multiple groups in different ways. Black Americans faced redlining, while Asians dealt with exclusion acts and internment—both forms of systemic oppression. Cry me a river 🤣 5. “You confirmed others were favored over Black people but still say they faced the same challenges.” • This isn’t contradictory. Black Americans faced unique injustices, like being overlooked in their neighborhoods, while other groups faced different systemic barriers. Recognizing this complexity doesn’t diminish anyone’s struggles |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 6:52pm On Dec 13, 2024 |
Derekmiles:1. “It totally matters who had it tougher, you saying it doesn’t matter is like saying someone who had a decent accident and someone who faced a literal war will have the same level of psychological trauma.” • This analogy oversimplifies the argument. No one is claiming all struggles are equal or interchangeable. The point is that systemic issues should be analyzed based on their unique contexts and impacts without trying to create a hierarchy of suffering. Comparing who “had it tougher” can lead to dismissing the progress or challenges of other groups, which isn’t constructive. 2. “You can’t deny the systemic issues Black people face in the U.S. in favor of the same other groups you’re mentioning.” • No one is denying the systemic racism and historical oppression faced by Black Americans. Highlighting the experiences of other groups doesn’t diminish the significance of these issues—it simply adds perspective to the broader conversation about systemic inequality and how it manifests differently for various groups. 3. “F*cking Asian migrants were favored above the Black community for a long time after the Civil Rights Movement in their own neighborhoods.” • While Asian migrants were sometimes positioned as a “model minority” to contrast with Black Americans, this was part of a racial hierarchy designed to divide marginalized groups. It didn’t erase systemic racism against Asian migrants, such as exclusion laws, internment, and workplace discrimination. The favoring of one group over another didn’t mean systemic issues disappeared for either group. 4. “Forget about the better wealth accumulation those Asian migrants accumulated in that time space, in the time space of loan favoritism, in the time space of redlining.” • Asian Americans did accumulate wealth in some cases, but this was not universal. Many still faced poverty and systemic barriers, especially among Southeast Asian refugees. The impact of redlining and loan discrimination on Black Americans is undeniable and remains a significant driver of wealth inequality. However, focusing only on the advantages of one group overlooks the systemic barriers they also faced |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 6:49pm On Dec 13, 2024 |
Derekmiles:1. “Nigeria had the highest GDP in Africa for a very long time, mainly due to population growth.” • Partially Correct: Nigeria was Africa’s largest economy for several years, but this status was due to a combination of factors, not just population growth. The country’s substantial oil reserves and production significantly contributed to its GDP. However, economic challenges like high inflation and currency devaluation have impacted its GDP ranking.  2. “Our GDP fell by $150 billion in the last year.” • Accurate: Nigeria’s GDP experienced a significant decline, dropping from $472.62 billion in 2022 to $362.81 billion in 2023, a decrease of approximately $110 billion.  3. “In the first half of the 2010s, we were almost always in the top 5 highest-growing economies.” • Not Entirely Accurate: Between 2010 and 2015, Nigeria’s GDP growth rates varied, with a peak of 6.88% in the first quarter of 2011. However, growth rates declined in subsequent years, and Nigeria was not consistently among the top 5 fastest-growing economies during this period. As of 2024, Nigeria has fallen to the fourth position among Africa’s largest economies, behind South Africa, Egypt, and Algeria. Nigeria’s GDP is currently ranked fourth in Africa, with a nominal GDP of approximately $252.7 billion. While Nigeria once held the position of Africa’s largest economy, various economic challenges have led to a decline in its GDP and global ranking. The country’s economic performance in the early 2010s showed promise but was not consistently among the top 5 highest-growing economies. So stop hyping Nigeria’s progress. It was always doing badly 😂 |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 6:45pm On Dec 13, 2024 |
Derekmiles:‘In no way did i ever deny this, why do you somehow think i'm comparing India to Nigeria... I said that India is more similar to Nigeria than it is to the UK, due to your comparison of the UK and India, which is outright delusion... In fact, my exact statement if i'm not mistaken was "India is more similar to Nigeria than it is to the UK, though they are doing way better than us, because we are a complete shithole"... So this comparison that you've always tought that i'm comparing Nigeria and India really baffles me, because my statement on Nigeria and India came from your delusional take on India and The UK, and that's when i told you that don't let absolute numbers fool you, especially for a country of 1.4+ Billion people’ At least the Indians actually produce goods, all Nigeria does is produce terrorism and banditry. Africans don’t produce anything. The Nigerian economy is just oil and gas. You really do underestimate as to how bad Nigeria is. India doesn’t have anywhere the kind of instability or division that is seen in Nigeria. There’s no way in hell. I can bet anything that Nigeria won’t exist past like 2060. We will go the same way as the Sudanese. They are now two different countries. You can’t put a country that is that different and expect them to succeed. It’s a recipe for disaster. You forget that Nigeria had a civil war not quite 60 years ago. 1“India is more similar to Nigeria than it is to the UK.” • Not accurate: While India and Nigeria share colonial histories and diversity, India has a stable democracy, a diversified economy, and global industries like IT and pharmaceuticals. Nigeria’s reliance on oil and its political instability make it less comparable to India, and India’s shared institutional ties with the UK (e.g., parliamentary democracy and legal systems) make it more similar in governance structure. India is much closer to the UK than Nigeria. India’s GDP of over $3 trillion far outstrips Nigeria’s $250billion, and India’s economy is diversified with robust IT, manufacturing, and pharmaceutical sectors, while Nigeria remains heavily dependent on oil exports. This diversification reflects India’s industrialization, a key difference from Nigeria’s economy. Infrastructure and Global Influence: India has a global influence as a leader in technology and space exploration (e.g., the Chandrayaan lunar missions). Nigeria, though influential in Africa, has not reached comparable global status. These disparities make India closer to developed nations like the UK in economic structure, even if not in per-capita wealth. Africa is the only region on earth that still struggles with basic amenities like good roads, adequate power supply, San etc “Don’t let absolute numbers fool you, especially for a country of 1.4+ billion people.” Partially valid: Absolute numbers like GDP may. exaggerate India’s success, but per-capita metrics still highlight India’s edge. For example, higher literacy rates (74% vs. 62%) and longer life expectancy (70 vs. 54 years) reflect India’s better development outcomes compared to Nigeria. Nigeria is nowhere India. It’s only South Africa of the Sub Saharan African countries and SA makes Nigeria look like a jungle that’s comparable to India. Economically, India is more comparable to emerging economies than the UK, but its industrial and technological base makes it more globally integrated than Nigeria. India is a far bigger deal. Comapring India to Nigeria is like comparing an ant to a giant😂 1. “India has already beaten Nigeria off the mark on [secession], and with room for a lot more down the line.” Misleading: India has not experienced a successful secession since the 1947 partition. While separatist tensions exist, they are mostly contained through political and economic measures. Nigeria, on the other hand, faced the bloody Biafra Civil War and continues to deal with active separatist groups like IPOB, which have destabilized the country more than any movement in India. 2. “India has more separatist movements than Nigeria.” Partially true, but context matters: India’s diversity leads to many regional movements for autonomy or independence, such as in Punjab or the Northeast. However, most are non-violent and politically managed. In Nigeria, fewer movements like IPOB and Boko Haram have resulted in more violence and greater instability, making Nigeria’s separatist issues more severe despite the lower number. 3. “You think the Punjabis don’t want their own country because they feel marginalized, you think the North-Easterners don’t want their own country?” Overstated: The Khalistan movement in Punjab peaked in the 1980s and is now largely dormant. In the Northeast, most insurgencies have been resolved with peace accords and special autonomy. These regions are integrated into India’s federal system, unlike Nigeria, where separatist tensions remain active and unresolved. 4. “India is on the same boat as Nigeria in terms of secession.” False equivalence: India’s strong democratic institutions and federalism allow it to handle diversity better than Nigeria. Nigeria’s violent history with Biafra, IPOB, and ethnic divisions makes it far more vulnerable to fragmentation compared to India, where separatist issues are largely political rather than existential Nobody in their right mind will believe Nigeria will outlast almost any other country on earth. It’s highly likely it breaks up in another 10-20 years. The same can’t be said for India. Your crazy. ‘So you originally trying to make India out to be this rising utopia like you originally wanted to do, you're speaking to the wrong crowd dude, maybe speak to the people who has actually no done a deep research on the systemic issues of the country, maybe those will blindly believe you’ Never said India is a utopia but that it’s doing far better than the trainwreck known as Zoogeria. Zoogeria is not meant to exist. It’s one of the biggest mistakes in human history. All African nations are. So you originally trying to make India out to be this rising utopia…” Strawman argument: The idea that India is being portrayed as a “utopia” is an exaggeration. No one is claiming India is free of systemic issues; its challenges, such as poverty, corruption, caste inequality, and regional disparities, are well-documented. However, acknowledging its economic growth, global influence, and ability to manage diversity doesn’t equate to presenting it as a perfect nation. 2. “You’re speaking to the wrong crowd dude, maybe speak to the people who have actually no done a deep research on the systemic issues of the country.” Dismissive and baseless: This comment assumes the speaker hasn’t researched India’s systemic issues, which is unfounded. Discussions about India’s progress (economic growth, democracy, and federal stability) don’t deny its problems. A nuanced view acknowledges both its successes and failures. 3. “Maybe those will blindly believe you.” Ad hominem attack: Rather than engaging with the argument, this implies that anyone who sees India’s positive aspects must be uninformed. It disregards the complexity of discussing a country with 1.4 billion people, where systemic issues coexist with remarkable achievements 1. “This is literally the India that anyone who has done a deep dive on that country knows, not the rising utopia you’ve been trying to allude to since.” Misrepresentation: At no point was India portrayed as a utopia. Its systemic issues, such as poverty, corruption, and caste inequality, were always acknowledged. The argument wasn’t about perfection but about India’s ability to grow economically and politically despite these challenges. 2. “Nigeria of the 2000s and 2010s, because that is literally what was said about Nigeria in the 2000s/2010s.” False equivalence: Nigeria’s challenges in the 2000s/2010s (e.g., heavy dependence on oil, political instability, and insurgencies) are structurally different from India’s. India’s economy is far more diversified, its democratic institutions are more stable, and it has a stronger global presence, particularly in technology and pharmaceuticals. Comparing India’s trajectory to Nigeria’s overlooks these critical differences. 3. “Projections and trajectories without looking into systemic issues will always make those projections delusional.” Partially true, but nuanced: Systemic issues do affect a country’s trajectory, but India’s projections are based on tangible economic trends (e.g., IT exports, manufacturing growth, space technology). Unlike Nigeria in the 2000s, India has a track record of addressing systemic challenges incrementally, even if progress is slow. 4. “Until they start tackling their systemic issues, all most will see is a country going up at face value, about to be shown why systemic issues matter.” • Oversimplified: India is not ignoring its systemic issues; reforms in digital infrastructure, education, and healthcare show efforts to address them. While progress is uneven, dismissing India as “all surface growth” undermines its tangible achievements, such as poverty reduction and urbanization. 5. “All I will see is a Nigeria projection of the 2000s/2010s.” Flawed comparison: Nigeria’s 2000s/2010s projections often failed because they ignored dependence on oil and corruption. India’s economy, however, is highly diversified, with thriving industries like IT, pharmaceuticals, and renewable energy. While systemic issues persist, India’s economic base is far broader and more resilient than Nigeria’s during that period. 1. “India’s systemic issues aren’t as bad as Nigeria’s; maybe the Dalits and other issues will have to tell you.” Oversimplification: India’s caste system and discrimination against Dalits are indeed deeply entrenched issues, but comparing them directly to Nigeria’s challenges is flawed. Nigeria faces widespread ethnic conflicts, insurgencies (like Boko Haram), and governance failures, which are more violent and destabilizing. India’s caste issues, while severe, have seen progress through legal protections and social reforms, even if they remain far from resolved. 2. “India’s issues arise from its very mentality, dating back to cultural, ethnic, and religious norms.” Partially true, but exaggerated: Cultural and religious norms in India, like caste hierarchies or patriarchal systems, contribute to systemic issues. However, India has made progress in challenging these norms through constitutional protections, education, and activism. While the mentality is slow to change, it’s inaccurate to suggest no effort is being made. 3. “They need to start from the mentality itself.” Idealistic, but not unique to India: Systemic issues stemming from cultural and historical norms aren’t exclusive to India; they exist in many countries, including Nigeria. Both nations are working toward social change through laws, education, and awareness, but expecting a complete overhaul of “mentality” ignores the complexity of addressing deeply rooted issues in any society. 4. “A similar issue is what’s also affecting Nigeria.” Partially correct: Nigeria’s challenges also stem from cultural and ethnic divisions, but the scale and impact differ. In Nigeria, issues like ethnic tensions, religious conflicts, and governance failures frequently lead to violence and instability, while India’s cultural issues, though significant, are less likely to result in widespread destabilization of the state |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 6:18pm On Dec 13, 2024 |
HellVictorinho9:Bull as shit. |
| Culture › Re: How Many African Languages Are Becoming Dead Languages? by Sladem05: 6:17pm On Dec 13, 2024 |
Samantha125:The fact that we are speaking in their language is proof that they did succeed. Why isn’t vice Versa happening? Most spoken languages on earth are European. Asian colonisation by Europe was different and many Indians and Chinese speak English. English is the lingua Franca of not just Asia but the entire world. To say that the Europeans didn’t succeed is hilarious. Europeans and Arabs conquered Africa. North Africa was not originally Arabic. We practice European and Arabic religions, speak their languages and so on. They defeated us. We speak English because it’s the most important language on earth. It’s the language of everything. You need to understand English to a certain extent at least to have any meaningful success in life. Africans allowed themselves to get kicked by European and Arabs.
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| Culture › Re: How Many African Languages Are Becoming Dead Languages? by Sladem05: 1:30am On Dec 13, 2024 |
Jidasem:All African languages are endangered |
| Culture › Re: How Many African Languages Are Becoming Dead Languages? by Sladem05: 1:04am On Dec 13, 2024 |
Samantha125:The vast majority of African youth don’t understand the mother tongue. The Europeans truly succeeded. Just look at nairaland. It’s very rare to see people here speaking anything other than ENGLISH. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 9:09pm On Dec 12, 2024 |
HellVictorinho9:No, black societies ALWAYS FAIL. They are violent, poor, barbaric. They don’t function. Look at what happened to South Africa when blacks took over. What a failed race. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:53pm On Dec 12, 2024 |
Derekmiles:No, population growth is not the biggest factor behind India’s economy. While a large population provides India a vast labor force and consumer base, the primary drivers are its services sector (IT, finance, and telecommunications), which contributes over 50% to GDP, followed by manufacturing and exports like pharmaceuticals and software. Population growth also brings challenges, such as unemployment and resource strain, which can hinder their economic progress. Thus, India’s economic growth stems more from sectoral advancements and globalization than merely population size. By that logic, Nigeria should have a large GDP. Nigeria is not even the largest economy in Africa anymore. South Africa is now the Giant of Africa and that’s largely because their currency is nowhere as devalued. A pound and dollar is well over 1,500 NGN. But pound and dollar is much closer in value to rupee and rand. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:48pm On Dec 12, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Nigeria faces a much higher risk of balkanization than India due to its deep ethnic, religious, and regional divisions. The country is home to over 250 ethnic groups, with significant tensions among the three largest: the Hausa-Fulani, Yoruba, and Igbo. Historical events like the Biafran Civil War (1967–1970) underscore these fractures, and separatist movements, such as the Indigenous People of Biafra (IPOB), remain active. Additionally, insurgencies like Boko Haram in the northeast and resource-driven conflicts in the Niger Delta exacerbate instability. Nigeria’s weaker institutions, corruption, and uneven distribution of oil wealth further erode national unity. India, while facing separatist challenges in regions like Kashmir and the Northeast, benefits from stronger democratic institutions, a federal system accommodating regional autonomy, and economic integration that mitigates fragmentation risks. While ethnic and religious tensions exist, they are less likely to lead to full-scale secession due to India’s institutional resilience. Thus, Nigeria’s structural weaknesses and ongoing violent conflicts make it far more vulnerable to balkanization than India. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:47pm On Dec 12, 2024 |
Derekmiles:‘You know what, i'm not even going to bother too much with this rantfilled nonsense you just wrote... I will only say one thing here, you said India was doing well, let me use you your own empirical information for you: Fact: India is classified as a relatively Low Income country. Fact: India has a per-capita GDP of $2600+. Fact: India is still very multidimensionally poor’ India is not doing well but it’s not doing terribly. It is doing infinitely better than Nigeria. What’s crazy is that you don’t realise as to how insane. How can you compare Zoogeria to any country on earth? Let me give you my reasons Reasons India is Performing Well: 1. Economic Growth: India has been one of the fastest-growing major economies, with growth rates averaging 6–7% annually over the last decade. 2. Technological Advancements: India is a global leader in IT services, software development, and space technology (e.g., Chandrayaan-3 moon mission). 3. Infrastructure Development: Rapid urbanization and investment in transportation, energy, and digital connectivity are transforming many regions. 4. Global Influence: India’s role in international politics and trade, such as through the G20 presidency, is expanding Overall, India is performing neither entirely “well” nor “terribly.” It shows remarkable progress in some areas while struggling with systemic issues like poverty, inequality, and underdeveloped infrastructure. Its trajectory indicates potential for improvement, but persistent challenges keep it from fully realizing its potential. But Nigeria is performing TERRIBLY. ‘This dude just gave all my points in one paragraph😂😂😂. Firstly: you are definitely copying off an article, are you that dumb?; one of your last sentences says "With a Population projected to surpass China"... Dude that already happened like 3-4 years ago. Which article did you get that from?, a 2015 one?😂😂😂’ I forgot to cite the projection but it doesn’t change the fact India is still on track to reach an economy that large. ‘Fact: Same nonsense you're ranting about India having an Economic growth, which is obviously mainly pushed by Population growth, this same projections were made about Nigeria in the last decade; by the way, that is what i've been trying to tell your little brain, nobody is trying to compare. Secondly: You just literally confirmed what i've been saying since, that the Indian economy is majorly driven by population growth, not developmental nor Industrial growth... That is the same way Nigeria's economy majorly grows, it's a complete false sense of growth, but you're too dumb to even understand that’ Why lie? 1. Services Sector: IT, financial services, and telecommunications are the largest contributors to GDP. 2. Industrial Growth: Expanding manufacturing and industrial sectors. 3. Exports: Software services, pharmaceuticals, and engineering goods are key export drivers. 4. Foreign Direct Investment (FDI): Significant investments in technology, infrastructure, and retail sectors India’s Gross Value Added (GVA) for the fiscal year 2023-24 is distributed across three primary sectors: • Services: 54.7% • Industry: 27.6% • Agriculture and Allied Activities: 17.7%  Within the Industry sector, the contributions are as follows: • Manufacturing: 14.27% • Construction: 8.91% • Electricity, Gas, Water Supply & Other Utility Services: 2.48% • Mining & Quarrying: 1.97% The problems India is having is not really any different from what China had before they became what they are today. ‘Thirdly: You went on all those rant for a country who has more regions wanting to secede than the ones in Nigeria, have you done any digging into that country at all... Have you read about the Khalistan movement?, the North-Eastern Movement, the Kamtapur movement?, there are so many movements that i can't even list them all... You said Nigeria will most likely not be one by 2050; buddy, India is on the very same boat😂😂😂. Do some actual fucking reading for once instead of going on rants, or watching your propaganda channels. Fourthly: As a kinda secessionist myself, i won't even be angry at a Nigeria separation😂😂😂, you just gave me the points i wanted😂😂😂’ Get off the weed, Comparing the stability of India to Nigeria. You’re crazy man. You can never go wrong with Nigeria. That country will never disappoint you. If you asked someone which country is more likely to balkanise India or Nigeria. Nigeria will always be picked. India and general most asian nations don't have anywhere the kind of instability, insecurity that's found in Nigeria. Nigeria was never meant to work. Trying to have Nigeria as one country is like trying to have England and china as one country or Saudi Arabia or the Vatican City. No country where 50% of the population is one religion (Christanity) and the other 50% is another (Islam) will never work. It’s a recipe for disaster. You have no clue as to what you’re talking about. India has much better rule of law, governance etc compared to Nigeria. India will be like a brown China in the future and Nigeria will become the next Sudan. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:28pm On Dec 12, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Just admit you were wrong about the wealth gap between Latinos and blacks. Asians are 20 million people in the US and their GDP is $1.5 trillion.!26/5 is your point?😂 You keep on going on about systemic reasoning where else Latinos and Asians also endured injustice. Blacks aren’t the only ones to have had or still have a sought time in America. I gave you the raw numbers. Latino household incomes are 16% higher than blacks. Latino millennial wealth in average is 2x higher than blacks. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 8:24pm On Dec 12, 2024 |
Derekmiles:‘God, you're dumb... I lied about the Latino and Black household median difference😂😂😂... Bro, i didn't lie, i literally stated their different household media difference, how the f*ck is that lying, or are you too stupid to comprehend?’ You did lie by claiming that the difference is MARGINAL. just admit that you were wrong. I proved that the wealth gap be it on average or in totality is not marginal. Latin incomes are 15% higher and their GDP is like 2x the black one. ‘Read that statement again, you are so stupid that you've been writing about the Systemic discrimination faced by Black Americans, but at the same time, choose to ignore it, this is not the 1st time you've done it either, that's why i said in an earlier comment when i first noticed it that "It seems like you're just copying and pasting articles", because you're contradicting your own comments about the systemic discrimination faced by Black Americans with other things that you've been texting... This is the same systemic issues i've been talking about how Black Americans have had it the toughest of all groups outside of the Natives, but you wholeheartedly continue denying it in so many of your comments, saying "Other groups had it just as tough"... I didn't watch your video because i didn't need to after that 2017 rubbish you sent a few weeks back, which yes, i did debunk you slowpoke; and i didn't say they were propagandas, stop putting words in people's mouth, i specifically said "I don't know the propaganda shows you've been watching, but reduce them for your own sanity". I then showed you a blatantly double standards in the Reparations history mainly in North America, you also choose to ignore that one... It seems like you're actually dumb’ I know blacks faced systemic discrimination. I’m not denying that. I’m just saying they can’t use that entirely as an excuse as to why they are such a trainwreck. They brought this upon themselves. Other groups did have it jsut as tough. I’ve shown that. And in fairness, it doesn’t actually matter as to who has had it tougher. At the end of the day, other ethnic groups are flourishing like Latins and Asians whilst blacks are failing. |
| Culture › Re: How Many African Languages Are Becoming Dead Languages? by Sladem05: 1:13pm On Dec 11, 2024 |
Malory:All of them. African youth only speak European languages now |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 4:28am On Dec 09, 2024 |
Derekmiles:A good figure for a comfortable household income in the U.S. is typically around $75,000 to $80,000 annually. This amount allows for covering basic needs, moderate savings, and discretionary spending for a family of four in many areas, though high-cost regions may require significantly more. At $66,000, a household can live modestly but might face challenges in high-cost cities or during unexpected financial emergencies. But according to you 16% is MARGINAL😂 do you read the nonsense you type. A 16% income difference is not marginal. $55,000 a year is not enough for most US households. Your barely getting by😂 I compared the plights of all those communities. They all faced something but that doesn’t mean they should allow it to affect them from success. You also haven’t taken into account how debt management varies between. Latino and other households in the U.S. generally fare better than Black households in terms of debt and bankruptcies due to differences in wealth, access to credit, and financial outcomes: • Median Debt (2021): Black households: $10,000; Latino households: $12,000. • Bankruptcy Rates: Black Americans file more bankruptcies and are more likely to use Chapter 13, which is costlier and less successful (39% success rate in Black-majority areas vs. 58% in White-majority areas). • Key Reasons: • Higher Latino homeownership rates lead to better wealth accumulation. • Black households face more discriminatory lending practices and limited access to credit. • Wealth gaps: Black households have lower median wealth than Latino households, limiting financial resilience. So how the hell are blacks just doing a bit worse than the Latins? |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 4:19am On Dec 09, 2024 |
Derekmiles:‘You gave an article from 2017, an article that was easily debunked by me... Then again, you said "Blacks are not seeing their financial status improving", something that doesn't take one google search away to debunk; are you this dense to understand that what you're saying is factually false?🤦🤦🤦... A projection told you that the U.S latinos will have a projected Economic impact of $114 Trillion by 2050, and you don't see the propaganda in that, don't you think?... And the funny one is you then said Blacks will be zero wealth by 2050, when it's not even hard to debunk that since 2017 that the article came out, the financial status and contribution of Black Americans has not even declined ones, but haa been improving’ You debunked nada and you didn’t even watch the video I sent about how and why the Latino GDP will reach over 110 trillion. You couldn’t distinguish GDP and wealth. You say it’s all propaganda but you’re talking out of your ass. What the guy said in the video is clear that the reason Latinos are projected to achieve said wealth is because 1. Rapid Population Growth: The Latino population in the U.S. has quadrupled since 1980, now exceeding 65 million people. This demographic expansion contributes to increased economic activity and wealth accumulation.  2. Entrepreneurial Activity: Latino-owned businesses have experienced substantial growth, with a 40% increase in ownership, marking the fastest rate in 30 years. This entrepreneurial surge enhances income generation and wealth creation within the community.  3. Rising Homeownership: Homeownership among Latinos has been on the rise, with real estate assets growing by 90% between 2019 and 2023. Owning property significantly contributes to wealth accumulation over time.  4. Educational Attainment: Increases in educational levels among Latinos have led to better employment opportunities and higher incomes, facilitating greater wealth accumulation. 5. Youthful Demographics: With a median age of 30.7 years, the Latino population is younger than other demographic groups, positioning them to enter their prime earning years, which supports long-term wealth growth.  6. Policy Support and Economic Inclusion: Government initiatives have aimed to reduce economic disparities, resulting in a 47% increase in Latino net worth between 2019 and 2022, narrowing the Latino-white wealth gap to its smallest in nearly three decades. Meanwhile with blacks Black wealth in the U.S. is projected to hit zero by 2053 due to systemic factors like persistent income inequality, a lack of generational wealth transfer, discrimination in housing and lending, lower homeownership rates, and economic disparities that limit access to wealth-building opportunities. Without significant policy changes or community interventions, these trends could continue to erode Black wealth over time. You also lied about the Latino vs black wealth comparison. You said it was ‘marginal’ In 2023, the median household income for Hispanic (Latino) households in the United States was $65,540, while for Black households, it was $56,490. This indicates that Latino households earned approximately $9,050 more than Black households, translating to a 16% higher median income. How is 16% marginal? Latino GDP is close to $4 trillion where else blacks are like half of that. 50%+ is not marginal. The financial and economic status of black Americans is nowhere Latinos is another thing I will make you admit out of this conversation. Latino households in the U.S. generally fare better than Black households in terms of debt and bankruptcies due to differences in wealth, access to credit, and financial outcomes: • Median Debt (2021): Black households: $10,000; Latino households: $12,000. • Bankruptcy Rates: Black Americans file more bankruptcies and are more likely to use Chapter 13, which is costlier and less successful (39% success rate in Black-majority areas vs. 58% in White-majority areas). • Key Reasons: • Higher Latino homeownership rates lead to better wealth accumulation. • Black households face more discriminatory lending practices and limited access to credit. • Wealth gaps: Black households have lower median wealth than Latino households, limiting financial resilience You’ve lost your mind on top of the fact that Latino youth are far richer, more productive, hungrier for success. In 2019, the median wealth for older millennial families (born in the 1980s) showed significant racial disparities: • White families: Approximately $88,000 • Hispanic (Latino) families: Around $22,000 • Black families: About $5,000 Blacks are nowhere the Latins. The Latin demographic has far more prosperity. It’s not even close. Black Americans aren’t that young and are quite. Latino community is full of young and vibrant people whom are hungry for success. As stereotypical as it sounds, much of those Latinos are border hoppers coming from harsher, violent, unstable and undeveloped societies than the US. ‘I mean, i've never even seen a Latino that was delusional enough to compare their plight in the United States to that of the Black Americans, but here comes a Nigerian like myself who comes from a shithole country, and he thinks he can compare... People have always said that Nigerians can be very ignorant, your situation is making me to start to believe that. The only group in the United States that you could say faced it as bad, maybe even worse than Black Americans did, are the Natives... And look at the state of the Natives in the country; i mean one could boil it down to they're not just that into the financial aspect of life, but it's not that hard to see that the Natives are Economically not doing so well’ Like other demographics, Latinos care far less about historical injustices than black Americans. They just want success hence why they make like 20% of the country’s national GDP. I don’t even care to discuss who had it worse but the point is everyone had a bad time. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 4:01am On Dec 09, 2024 |
Derekmiles:‘You use Empirical information to back up your point?😂😂😂... Bro, comparing a country with a per capita of $2600 and one with a per capita of $56000 is mot empirical information, it's outright delusion... The fact that India has a per capita of $2600 is actual realistic Empirical information... I never use anecdotal nonsense; i compare my Empirical information with the systemic activities of the country’ When did I ever compare US and India? All I said is that India is not a shithole. ‘Fact: India has one the highest population in the world at 1.4+ billion, so a nominal GDP of 3.3+ Trillion is not exceptional, nor is them having the largest National biometric ID system, or an economic growth of 5.2 if i remember you correctly, or others... A 5.2 economic growth is very good from a face value perspective, but given a stacked population like that heavily driving the economy, it's not shocking’ Population is not the only factor behind a large GDP. Why is US economy larger than India and China combined when they don’t even have up to 1/6th of their population. I’m not saying India is doing well but it’s certainly doing better than most countries on earth. ‘The fact is you go by empirical information alone, not introducing systemic reasons that can contribute to that empirical information; and that's delusional... So saying the Indian GDP is set to surpass that of Japan while technically correct, doesn't mean India will be set to be doing better than Japan when their GDP surpasses them, or is even close to be doing better than Japan. There has to be systemic reasoning to any empirical information, or that information becomes delusional’ Empiricism is the best way to compare which country is objectively doing better. India is joining the club late but it will eventually reach US and China levels. If countries like India and China raised their GDP per capitas to numbers like 1/4 of a western country. Their economies would outweigh the others. ‘You've been giving projections on were India is set to be, i've been giving you the systemic reasons why that projections are like that, it doesn't change India from being a Shithole... We face similar projections in Nigeria in relation to Africa all the time, and even in the last decade, was up there in respect to the rest of the world, but only a delusional man will think those projections actually meant great progress; have you seen our population growth?’ I can’t take you seriously comparing Africans to Asians is like comparing monkeys to humans or jungles to civilisations. What part of no successful black society exists doesn’t your mind comprehend? Africa is a lost cause. Any black society is destined to fail. It’s Hilarious you even think that African countries wouldn’t have fragmented by then. Nigeria is the next Sudan. There is absolutely no way in hell Nigeria or any African country is achieving any meaningful prosperity. Never in a trillion years. You sound so stupid how can you compare African to Asian potential? Japan on its own with way less people has a larger GDP than all of Africa combined😂 whilst there is a shift in global power. That power shift is not going to Africa. Look at geopolitics experts like Zeihan. There is no way in hell Africa is pulling off what the Asian giants are expected to do. ‘In 2050, Nigeria is projected to become the 15th largest economy, surpassing a decent amount of European Nations... I'm going to ask you a question?, will Nigeria actually be economically better than those Nations?; Now, my answer is of course not, i want to hear yours... And that's why just spitting out statistical information without adding the systemic side of the region is outright delusion’ Again stop comparing black potential to Asian potential. There is -1000% probability that any African/black community on this planet will achieve any meaningful prosperity. You think there will be a Nigeria by 2050? Where else with India and other Asian giants, there is far more reason to believe that India will achieve its target of not just raising its GDP per capita but the country as a whole. India has the potential to match the economic and geopolitical power of the U.S. and China in both the short and long term due to its vast demographic dividend, rapid technological adoption, and strategic position in global trade and politics. With a population projected to surpass China and a growing middle class, India has the consumer base and workforce to drive sustained economic growth. Its emphasis on digital infrastructure, startups, and renewable energy further positions it as a future global powerhouse. Where your argument failed is you compared countries and continents of completely different calibres. I mentioned that India had surpass the UK to show their growing economic might. They are a top 5 world economy and you still come them a shithole? And what systemic side are you on about? You’re trying to prove me that India is a shithole. You keep on failing at every direction. African and black countries are shitholes not Asian ones. And how we define shitholes is relative. India may seem bad for Asian standards. But it’s far more developed than most African countries. India’s HDI of 0.644 is higher than most African countries. The poorest and least developed Asian and Latin countries are better off in many cases than even the richest African ones. ‘You called India a Superpower, it's not considered a Superpower, it's considered an "Emerging Superpower", and that consideration has mainly been fueled by its high population... I will ask you this question, from an Economical perspective as an Individual, would you rather live in India or in England?; another question still from the same perspective, would you rather live in Nigeria or in Portugal?’ India is an emerging power that’s set to rival the U.S. and China at some point. India will eventually reach Mexico, Phillipines and China kind of numbers. Your comparisons are again useless India vs England is meaningless because what does that prove? Offcourse India is not going to be as good as a western country to live. With Nigeria vs Portugal, that’s a ridiculous comparison comparing a jungle to a civilisation. I never said India is better off than England or any western country particularly at this moment in time but eventually it will be especially in the long term future. India is going to be along with the US, China, Brazil etc as a more advanced economy. Africa on the other hand is doomed to failure. Every black society is. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 1:23am On Dec 09, 2024 |
Derekmiles:‘Lets start with your 1st paragraph, because those are the ones i'm usually most interested in... "Every country has challenges"; yea, Nigeria also has its challenges, it doesn't stop Nigeria from being crap; and i never said India was doomed, i said it was a SHITHOLE, and that's literally facts. Saying India is Rich is like saying Nigeria is Rich; using absolute GDP instead of Per Capita GDP to quatify a Nation is one of the most delusional things i've ever seen someone do... What shocked me the most with your comment some weeks back is that you really compared a Nation with a per capita GDP of $2600, one of the worst in Asia, to a Nation with a per capita of about $52000. I guess that means we can start comparing Nigeria as being way better than Estonia, or even Portugal since Nigeria has a better absolute GDP😂😂😂.’ Comparing Nigeria to India is crazy. India is a world power. It has far better prospects than Nigeria. Comparing India to Nigeria is like comparing a zoo to a civilisation. Calling African nations zoos is even an insult to zoos themselves. I can’t believe you’re still comparing black and Asians 😂. And your comparison with Nigeria having a larger GDP than Estonia is terrible. All Nigeria has is population. The people there don’t have a brain. Are we seriously going to compare the educational and intellectual capabilities of blacks to Asians? Nigeria just has a larger GDP that’s dwindling because of population. India is actually a productive country. It’s the 12th largest exporter on earth. All I’m saying is that India is not a shithole. India has experienced robust economic growth in recent years, often surpassing that of major economies like the United States and China. In 2022, India’s GDP grew by 7.2%, outpacing China’s 3.0% and the United States’ 1.9%.  Comparative GDP Growth Rates (2022): • India: 7.2% • China: 3.0% • United States: 1.9% However, in the second quarter of the fiscal year 2024-25, India’s GDP growth slowed to 5.4%, marking a seven-quarter low.  Recent Quarterly GDP Growth: • India (Q2 FY 2024-25): 5.4% Future Projections: Analysts anticipate that India will continue to be a significant contributor to global economic growth. The World Economic Forum noted that in 2023, India contributed 16% to global growth, with a growth rate of 7.2% in fiscal 2022-2023, the second-highest among G20 countries.  Long-term forecasts suggest that India could become one of the world’s largest economies. PricewaterhouseCoopers projects that by 2050, India could rank second globally in GDP at purchasing power parity (PPP), behind China but ahead of the United States.  Projected Global GDP Rankings by 2050 (PPP): 1. China 2. India 3. United States Similarly, Goldman Sachs Research forecasts that by 2075, India will have the world’s second-largest economy, attributing this growth to its expanding population and labor force participation. ‘🤦🤦🤦, i'm just going to say something here, why won't you fucking expect them to have one of the largest working-age population with a population of literally 1.4+ Billion people’ A young and youthful population that’s running out in countries in the west gives them an advantage. Western countries are increasingly dependent upon Asian labor and ingenuity. ‘This your statement makes me laugh especially in the case of India; so let me give an example, the U.S is the 3rd most populated country in the world if i'm not mistaken, by your logic, the U.S should be one of the biggest migrators in the world, with U.S citizens doing anything, even to live as hiding illegals, to make sure that they never go back to the U.S again right?... Bro, stop using flimsy excuses to defend mediocrity’ As of December 2024, the global population stands at approximately 8.2 billion people. The distribution of this population is highly uneven, with certain countries accounting for significant proportions. Top 15 Most Populous Countries: 1. India: 1,450,940,000 2. China: 1,419,320,000 3. United States: 339,996,563 4. Indonesia: 277,534,122 5. Pakistan: 240,485,658 6. Nigeria: 223,804,632 7. Brazil: 216,422,446 8. Bangladesh: 172,954,319 9. Russia: 144,444,359 10. Mexico: 128,455,567 11. Japan: 123,294,513 12. Ethiopia: 122,123,456 13. Philippines: 117,337,368 14. Egypt: 111,234,567 15. Vietnam: 101,403,000  Top 15 Countries with the Largest Diaspora Populations: 1. India: 17.9 million 2. Mexico: 11.8 million 3. Russia: 10.5 million 4. China: 10.7 million 5. Syria: 8.2 million 6. Bangladesh: 7.8 million 7. Pakistan: 6.3 million 8. Ukraine: 5.9 million 9. Philippines: 5.4 million 10. Afghanistan: 5.1 million 11. United Kingdom: 4.9 million 12. Germany: 4.5 million 13. Turkey: 4.3 million 14. Egypt: 3.7 million 15. Italy: 3.5 million All your arguments are centred around feelings and emotions not really empirical evidence. Stop giving me anecdotal garbage. The most populous countries in the world tend to have the largest diasporas but not always. USA is a very insular country is why US citizens don’t leave. But using your logic, China is a shithole. ‘So i should be amazed by the most populated country in the world having the largest National biometric ID system?, or the largest Digital payments?; i don't understand how i should be ecstatic by that, but i guess to you, i should be right?🤦🤦🤦... Dude, don't make me laugh. I swear, you're easily blinded by figures and stats., instead of looking at the systemic issues those region faces... And the worst part is you don't even look at the right stats., you just gobble up the stats.; for example, lets say the HIV epidemic in South Africa, i won't be surprised if you said South Africa has the worst case of HIV in the world, and by absolute numbers, you'd be very correct; but do you know you have a higher chance of contanting HIV in Botswana, Zimbabwe, Eswatini, and Lesotho, than in South Africa?. Why?, because they all have a higher prevalence rate’ The difference is I use empirical information to back up my point. You use anecdotal nonsense. The fact that you know people in India that are saying the country is finished doesn’t mean it actually is. India is growing in a way that most other countries aren’t. Sure India is bad but it’s better and doing better than most other countries out there. Particularly now that Trump is back. Much of China’s manufacturing dominance will go to India, Philippines, Vietnam and so on. More of what we consume will be made in india. India is growing in ways that set it apart from most countries: Politically: • India is the world’s largest democracy, holding regular elections and managing a diverse population. Its geopolitical strategy balances relationships with major powers while asserting itself as a regional leader. Technologically: • India is a global IT hub, with cities like Bengaluru driving innovation in tech and software. • A booming startup scene, supported by initiatives like “Startup India,” and programs like “Make in India” are attracting global manufacturing giants like Apple and Samsung. Socially: • With a young population, India has a massive workforce and growing urban centers reshaping lifestyles and fueling consumer-driven growth. Culturally: • Bollywood, Indian music, and cuisine dominate globally. Festivals and cultural exports keep India’s rich heritage in the global spotlight. Economically: • Unlike many countries that rely heavily on manufacturing, India’s economy is led by its service sector, particularly IT and outsourcing. • A growing middle class and domestic consumption further drive its growth. The Bigger Picture: India’s combination of youthful energy, cultural richness, political stability, and tech-savviness is unique. It’s growing not just economically but also in influence, culturally and geopolitically, making it a standout among nations today. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 10:56pm On Dec 08, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Nigerian-Americans often represent a more determined and resourceful subset of Nigerians due to the difficulties of immigrating to the U.S. However, this logic doesn’t dismiss their achievements. The same “cream of the crop” argument applies to immigrants from other countries who excel in the U.S. The broader Nigerian diaspora includes diverse experiences, but blaming crime rates in certain countries solely on access to “non-elite” Nigerians oversimplifies societal and systemic factors in those nations. Crime and fraud aren’t unique to Nigerians—it’s a global issue often tied to poverty and opportunity. They haven’t allowed the victim mentality to stop them from success.Africans, Carribeans, Latinos and Asians emphasize education, family support, and small business ownership, even in the face of discrimination. These strategies have helped them build wealth and influence despite hardships faced. Why can’t blacks do the same? 1. Other Groups Also Faced Systemic Oppression • Native Americans: Endured genocide, forced removal, and loss of nearly all ancestral lands. Policies like the Indian Removal Act, forced assimilation through boarding schools, and broken treaties systematically destroyed their way of life. Today, many Native communities live in poverty with limited access to resources. • Jewish Americans: The Holocaust eradicated entire families, and survivors who immigrated to the U.S. often faced anti-Semitism. In America, Jewish people were excluded from universities, neighborhoods, and industries, with anti-Semitic violence persisting even today. • Asian Americans: Subjected to the Chinese Exclusion Act (1882), Japanese internment during World War II, and systemic racism that persists through stereotypes and xenophobia. Post-9/11 Islamophobia targeted South Asians, and the COVID-19 pandemic led to a surge in anti-Asian hate crimes. 2. African Americans Are Not Alone in Experiencing Economic Marginalization • Many groups have faced economic hardships due to systemic barriers: • Latinos: Often relegated to low-paying, physically demanding jobs with limited upward mobility. Historically, Mexican Americans lost land and citizenship after the U.S.-Mexico War, and migrant workers continue to face exploitation. • Native Americans: Poverty rates on reservations are among the highest in the country, compounded by underfunded schools and limited job opportunities. • Asian Americans: While often perceived as a “model minority,” Southeast Asians and Pacific Islanders experience high poverty rates and barriers to education 3. Cultural Erasure and Discrimination Are Not Unique • Native Americans: Had their languages, traditions, and religions forcibly erased through policies like boarding schools and bans on cultural practices. • Jewish People: Widespread anti-Semitism in Europe and the U.S. sought to exclude them from society. The Holocaust attempted to erase their identity altogether. • Latinos: Faced English-only laws and pressures to assimilate, often losing their native languages and cultural traditions. 4. Other Groups Also Suffered Generational Trauma Generational trauma isn’t exclusive to African Americans: • Native Americans: Trauma from forced relocations, broken treaties, and systemic poverty has been passed down for generations. • Jewish Americans: The Holocaust and centuries of persecution have left deep psychological scars. • Asian Americans: Japanese internment, wars in Southeast Asia, and anti-Asian hate crimes have created a legacy of trauma in these communitie 1 Like |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 10:53pm On Dec 08, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Black Americans face significant disparities across health, socioeconomic, and educational domains: Health • Life Expectancy: 4 years shorter than White Americans; Latinos and Asians outlive both. • Chronic Diseases: Higher prevalence of hypertension and diabetes than other groups. • Mental Health: Suicide was the third leading cause of death for Black Americans aged 10-24 in 2022. Socioeconomic Status • Income: Median household income in 2023 was $56,490, lower than the national average. • Poverty: 18.8% of Black Americans lived in poverty in 2020, nearly double the U.S. average. • Wealth Gap: Median wealth for Black households was $24,100 in 2019, far below other households. • Homeownership: Only 44.1% of Black families owned homes compared to 74.5% of White families Black Americans consistently rank last across health, income, wealth, and education metrics. ACT scores in the United States exhibit notable disparities across different racial and ethnic groups. According to the 2023 National ACT Profile Report, the average composite scores by race/ethnicity are as follows: • Asian Students: 24.2 • White Students: 21.3 • Hispanic Students: 18.8 • Black/African American Students: 16. SAT Scores by Race/Ethnicity: SAT performance varies across different racial and ethnic groups. According to data from the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) for 2023, the mean total SAT scores by race/ethnicity were: • Asian: 1229 • White: 1098 • Hispanic: 967 • Black: 926 High School GPA by Race/Ethnicity: According to data from the National Center for Education Statistics (NCES), the average high school GPAs for graduates in 2009 were: • Asian/Pacific Islander: 3.26 • White: 3.09 • Hispanic: 2.84 • Black: 2.69 College GPA by Race/Ethnicity: In higher education, similar disparities persist. A study by the Education-to-Workforce Indicator Framework reported the following average college GPAs: • Asian: 3.1 • White: 2.9 • Hispanic: 2.6 • Black: 2.5 You see how blacks come dead last in everything?top of the fact that According to the Federal Reserve’s 2019 Survey of Consumer Finances, the median wealth for Black families under 35 was approximately $600, while for those aged 55 and over, it was about $53,800. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 10:39pm On Dec 08, 2024 |
Derekmiles:Every country has challenges, but claiming that India’s future is doomed because of emigration is shortsighted. Large populations naturally lead to large diasporas—it’s a sign of globalization, not a failing nation. By your logic, China, with thousands of migrants at the southern U.S. border, would also be a “failed state.” Yet, China is on track to challenge U.S. dominance globally. Is it a “shithole” too? Clearly, migration doesn’t define a country’s development. India is far from “finished”—here’s why: 1. Economic Growth: India is already the fifth-largest economy and is projected to surpass Japan and Germany to become the third-largest by 2030. Its GDP growth rate remains among the highest globally. 2. Industrialization: India’s industrial sector contributes 28% to GDP and is expanding rapidly. While China’s manufacturing currently dominates at 40%, India is catching up as it reforms and attracts foreign investment. 3. Demographics: With a median age of 28, India boasts one of the youngest populations globally. By 2030, it will have the largest working-age population—a demographic advantage as East Asia and the West face aging populations. 4. Innovation: India leads in digital transformation, with programs like Aadhaar (world’s largest biometric ID system), UPI (revolutionizing digital payments), and Digital India, improving services and driving rural development. India isn’t “going nowhere.” It’s industrializing, innovating, and leveraging its demographic strengths. Migration doesn’t diminish its potential—it’s already shaping up to rival future global powers like China and Mexico. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 10:33pm On Dec 08, 2024 |
HellVictorinho9:Name a single successful black society. I’m waiting |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 10:27pm On Dec 08, 2024 |
Derekmiles:$56k is barely enough for a family in the US to survive. Celebrating that Black Americans earn this amount is delusional . Rising Black incomes mean little when debt is increasing. Black millennials are poorer than ever, largely due to student loans and high-interest debt. The $11k income gap between Black and Latino Americans is significant, not marginal, especially when Latino GDP is twice that of Black Americans. In 2023, the U.S. median household income was $80,610. Asian households had the highest median income at $112,800, followed by non-Hispanic White households at $89,050. Hispanic households had a median income of $65,540, while Black households had the lowest at $56,490. Economic Disparities by Race in the U.S.: Key Insights Black Americans face significant economic challenges, exacerbated by systemic inequalities: 1. Debt vs. Assets: Black families often owe more than they own, leaving them in a precarious financial position. 2. Student Loans: Black borrowers carry the highest student loan debt and struggle to repay due to lower incomes and higher unemployment. 3. High-Interest Debt: Reliance on credit cards and payday loans makes escaping debt more difficult. 4. Lower Incomes: Median income for Black households is $56,490, compared to $65,540 for Hispanics and $112,800 for Asians. 5. Historical Discrimination: Practices like redlining and exclusion from wealth-building opportunities hinder wealth accumulation. Black millennials are particularly affected, with average wealth at just $5,700, far below $26,100 for White millennials and $14,690 for Hispanic millennials. Income disparities, high debt burdens, and limited access to wealth-building opportunities have left Black millennials poorer than prior generations. Meanwhile, Latino Americans are emerging as a major economic force: 1. GDP Contributions: In 2022, Latino GDP reached $3.6 trillion—5th largest globally—surpassing India and France. 2. Entrepreneurship: Latino-owned businesses grew 57% between 2007 and 2021, far outpacing other groups. 3. Labor Force: Latinos make up a significant portion of industries like construction and agriculture and will comprise 30% of the U.S. labor force by 2050. While both groups face systemic challenges, Latinos are driving U.S. economic growth through entrepreneurship, labor force participation, and GDP contributions. Addressing disparities for Black Americans requires systemic reforms to reduce debt burdens and create wealth-building opportunities. How you reach the conclusion that black financial status is improving when their debt is at all time high etc. you’re delusional. https://amp.theguardian.com/inequality/2017/sep/13/median-wealth-of-black-americans-will-fall-to-zero-by-2053-warns-new-report https://www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/u-s-latinos-will-have-113-trillion-in-wealth-by-2050-but-theres-a-generational-divide-in-retirement-planning-8f8669ae https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mE5JWuMv_2w&pp=ygURI2xhdGlub3NpbmZpbmFuY2U%3D GDP and wealth aren’t the same thing. GDP is jsut output. Blacks lose on both compared to Latinos particularly GDP. The Latin economy in the US is surging ahead of pretty much almost any country on earth. US Latino GDP growth rivals that of even India and China. You realise as to how crazy that is right? Latino GDP is bigger than the UK for crying out loud. Get real man. Whether we compare Latin America vs Africa or Black Americans vs Hispanics. Black societies are nowhere as sophisticated or wealthy. You can’t be this crazy. |
| Romance › Re: I Can't Stand Black Americans by Sladem05: 10:17pm On Dec 08, 2024*. Modified: 10:45pm On Dec 08, 2024 |
Derekmiles:I can’t be bothered to give a lengthy response because all these chat forums censor the hell out of everything but most of what you’re saying is wrong. You can’t even distinguish GDP and wealth. Blacks will have zero wealth by 2050. Latino GDP because their economic impact in the US is growing. That’s not propaganda. They’re collective because Latinos will reach $110 trillion dollars by 2053 based on current projections. The reason is because Latinos contribute far more to the economy than blacks ever did and ever will. Latino GDP is only smaller than like 4 other nations. US wealth is different to US GDP. Blacks are not seeing their financial status improving. Are you out of your mind? I posted a link that showed that millennial black wealth is nowhere that of other races. Blacks are more likely to default on their debt. Younger blacks are poorer than ever. Your mistake was comapring blacks to Latinos. You’re out of your mind. Blacks are nowhere on the level of Latinos whether that’s Latin Americans vs Africans or Latinos in the western hemisphere vs blacks. It’s a no brainer. The Latino community is far richer, more prosperous, civilised etc. Latinos have surpassed blacks in everything population, education, economy, health it’s not close. Here’s a list highlighting the factors driving Latinos’ economic prosperity in the U.S.: 1. High Rate of Entrepreneurship • Business Growth: Latino-owned businesses increased by 57% from 2007 to 2021, compared to just 5% growth for White-owned businesses. • New Entrepreneurs: Nearly 25% of new entrepreneurs in the U.S. in 2021 were Latino, showcasing their role in driving business creation. 2. Strong Labor Force Participation • Workforce Representation: Latinos currently comprise nearly 20% of the U.S. labor force and are projected to make up 30% by 2050. • Essential Industries: They are highly represented in critical sectors like construction, agriculture, hospitality, healthcare, and general labor. 3. Economic Contributions (GDP Growth) • Latino GDP: In 2022, the U.S. Latino GDP reached $3.6 trillion, making it the fifth-largest economy globally, surpassing countries like India and the U.K. • Growth Rate: From 2017 to 2022, Latinos contributed 28.3% of total GDP growth in the U.S., despite making up only 19.5% of the population. 4. Youthful Demographics • Latinos have a median age of 30, much younger than the U.S. average, positioning them as a dynamic and growing workforce. • This youthful demographic ensures sustained labor force growth and consumer demand. 5. Increasing Education and Skills • Latino college enrollment has been rising steadily, which will translate to higher-skilled workers in the future. • Many Latinos are pursuing careers in growing fields like technology and healthcare. 6. Rising Consumer Power • Latinos are a major consumer base, with a collective purchasing power exceeding $3 trillion and growing rapidly. • Their spending is fueling industries like retail, housing, and automotive. 7. Cultural and Economic Resilience • Latinos often demonstrate intergenerational financial support (e.g., pooling resources to buy homes or start businesses), which strengthens household stability and economic mobility. • Their communities emphasize hard work and perseverance, making them a reliable driver of U.S. economic growth. 8. Geographic Impact • High Latino populations in economically dynamic regions (e.g., California, Texas, Florida) amplify their economic influence in areas vital to the national economy. 9. Urban and Suburban Growth • Latinos are driving population growth in both cities and suburbs, supporting housing markets and local economies across the U.S. 10. Political and Economic Recognition • Policymakers and businesses increasingly recognize the importance of Latinos in sustaining economic growth, leading to more targeted investments and opportunities. Conclusion: Latinos are uniquely positioned to drive U.S. economic prosperity through their entrepreneurship, labor force participation, consumer power, and youthful demographics. Their contributions are critical to the country’s present and future growth. Latinos play a pivotal role in the U.S. economy, particularly in sectors like construction and agriculture. Here’s an overview of their contributions: 1. Construction Industry • Workforce Representation: Latinos constitute approximately 30% of the construction workforce, with higher concentrations in specific roles: • 47% of construction laborers • 53% of painters and paperhangers  • Geographical Concentration: Over half of Latino construction workers are in Texas, California, and Florida. In Texas, they make up 61% of the construction labor force.  2. Agriculture Sector • Demographic Presence: Latinos represent a significant portion of agricultural workers, with many being foreign-born.  • Unauthorized Workforce: Unauthorized immigrants, many of whom are Latino, account for 17% of the agriculture industry’s workforce.  3. Broader Economic Contributions • Labor Force Growth: From 2003 to 2023, the number of Latinos in the labor force increased by 69%, a growth rate more than ten times that of non-Latino workers.  • Entrepreneurship: As of 2019, there were over 2.5 million Latino entrepreneurs in the U.S., significantly contributing to economic dynamism.  Conclusion Latinos are integral to the U.S. economy, especially in construction and agriculture. Their substantial representation in these sectors underscores their importance in sustaining and advancing economic growth. |
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