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BitterTruth0001:
Perhaps you’re confusing the European renaissance when Europe modernized itself with the rise and spread of Christianity/Islam. Perhaps not.

But in any case , Christianity already existed for thousands of years before the renaissance . But the remarkable transformation of Europe did not happen right away and infact is not tied directly to any religion.

If anything , the renaissance was linked to the desire by European intellectuals to bring back the glory of classical antiquity .
Classical antiquity was a phase in European history several thousands of years ago before Christianity came . The was the period of the Greek philosophers and early roman period . A lot of progress of was achieved in this era and guess what , they were all PAGANS at the time believing in many gods: Zeus , Cupid, Poseidon etc


My point is that if the British had not come with their way of doing things , we here in Africa would have had our own renaissance at some point . They came and disrupted our way of life . Yes I agree , the Bible is an extremely deep philosophical book of thought. One of the deepest , if not the deepest ever written. But the British and indeed the rest of Europe never at any point attributed their technological advancements to the adoption of religion . If anything , the renaissance opened their eyes and they questioned the dogma of religion ; causing them to focused more on advancing this life here on earth instead focusing on the afterlife .

Therefore it was wrong of them to come and slam their religion down our throats and sell it to us as the solution and key to a better life here on earth when they knew very well that it was not what transformed their societies. In other words, their own religion did not save them

We could’ve accepted the technology and the advancements while remaining true to our culture and our traditional way of life devoid of the disruptively catastrophic interference of foreign religions

Europe become more powerful because religion played less of a role in society.

HellVictorinho6:
Congrats


Ur atheists will rule this purposeless world in the next xyz years


Ur white demons own and control this disgrace known as earth



I cant observe anything empirical



Yours yours

Hellfire

I showed your charts, maps and numbers and that ain’t empirical?

Purposeless world? As if the world was much more purposeful in the past

HellVictorinho6:
nonsense

did i say the stats were ambiguous?


am speaking of ur white supremacist reality


which is ur problem



as 4 africans not accepting whatever


thats ur problem too

u think stats by those guys are enough 2 predict whatever

praise whoever

who cares?

Your showing how foolish you are

1. You said it’s my view. How is it my view if all I have done is show stats

2. I knew it, anything against Africa is white supremacy 😂 give up the victim mentality. this is why Africa will always be like this. You guys are too nostalgic and traditional to address change but African youth are different.
3. Those aren’t just 2 researchers. It’s a whole team that have conducted extensive research.

HellVictorinho6:
another insult


u dont define evidence 4 me


am a thinker


neva 2 poor 2 deserve a chance 2 express myself


tell those guys i said so

Your thinking skills are clearly not enough to observe empirical information.

HellVictorinho6:
are the stats not being enough 4 me a reason 4 ur insults?


check same google 4 the meaning of enough

How is that an insult?

HellVictorinho6:
Ur interpretation and acceptance of boring predictions aint my fault

Stats aren’t ambiguous. How else can you interpret that?

Here in lies the problem with Africans. We are too nostalgic and traditional to accept that change is coming whether you like it or not.

HellVictorinho6:
No


I didnt prove anything


Ur view

Ur reality


Ur headache

You ignoring empirical information is not my fault.

HellVictorinho6:
No


I didnt prove anything


Ur view

Ur reality


Ur headache

Researchers stats aren’t my view.
You ignoring empirical information ain’t my fault.

googi:
You forgot American Indians, worse off than African Americans.

You forgot Voting Rights clouded by Electoral College and Gerrymandering.

You forgot that women thought they secured Abortion Right fifty years ago.

Those are the good old days.

Germans, Japanese and Chinese got respect because they made economic power out of their countries.

African, what have you made out of Nigeria? The richest country in Africa flowing with wara and honey turned into poverty capital of the world by unprecedented inflow of foreign Oil Income.

Can we point a finger to African Americans while the other four point to US.

Even the Native Americans don’t have the victim mentality AAs do and they had a worse time as you said.

Why didn’t other ethnicities end up like BA?

I’m not saying Africa is perfect but neither is black America.

African mentality is believing in the lie of the good ole days. That’s why Africans are super traditional. They have this imagination that life was utopic back then hence why they hold onto their traditional values.

HellVictorinho6:
Can u assist me financially?

😂😂

HellVictorinho6:
The biggest thieves here cant control it.

Thatz y.

So you’ve proven my point. We will go down the same path as the west to becoming irreligious.

HellVictorinho6:
i dont really care

both life and death make no sense to me


using english doesnt amaze me even if billions speak it

Your an enigma 😂

Why does life and death not matter to you?

I’m not saying you should be amazed but recognise how strong western influence is till today. They still own Africa in the economic sense at. We don’t control our resources. China and the West do.

HellVictorinho6:
yeah i mean google takes u there

they are less religious doesnt mean they will stop being religious


but even if they do






check my name then signature

Brudda, if religiosity is decreasing globally and irreligious communities are surging globally. There comes a point where the two will be at equilibrium in population numbers and where the irreligious surpasses the religious communities. Religious people once ruled the world but that’s not going to be the future. You look at AI, Quantum Computing and another newer technologies. Yet you expect the Abrahamic religions to still reign supreme? Nothing is ever set in stone and nothing in this life lasts forever.

bluefilm:
The 80s and 90s were the best years of my life.

I pity kids these days because it seems like they never get the opportunity to actually know and enjoy what it feels like to be a child.

My best moments back in those days were when we have to go to a neighbor's house to watch WWF on their Black and White telly while sitting on the floor after making sure we have washed our feet.

Yup
I’m sure kids must be jealous of living through Abacha and all the other tyrants in the country. They

HellVictorinho6:
Ur stats are insufficient bro


Even google ceo cant say google is ALWAYS CORRECT

If google gave u such stats as evidence, am now telling u that theyre not enough 2 reach that conclusion.

OMD 🤦🏾

Those stats were not provided by Google. Those stats are on Google/the internet. Researchers have conducted extensive research on religiosity and came to those conclusions. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for you to accept that youth globally are way less religious. Are you pastor scammer or what? Are you scared your business of robbing naive, ignorant people is going to end or what? 😂😂

HellVictorinho6:
Anybody can predict anything


But these youths u speak of


U dont expect google 2 know it all


Google tells u xyz

U swallow it

Na ur wahala be that

True but it would require something quite seismic to happen for these predictions to not end up being true.

Based on empirical information, the youth whom are the future are way less engaged in religion/if at all compared to older generations and that spells doom for Abrahamic Religions. How you expect these religions to live on with what’s happening with all the youth? The world is just becoming more and more globalised. Tech and Science is kinda the new religion.

ajl:
Imagine someone calling 90s the good "ole" days. Even, there is nothing good "old" from1985 through the entire 90s because that's when Nigeria nemesis of problem started blowing up. Of course, human experiences in life are relative. Someone born in 80s and 90s can only compare the period they experienced.

Good Ole Days is an illusion. That’s how I sum up the African mentality is believing in the good ole days.

HellVictorinho6:
Anybody can use these words

Give up and accept reality. You haven’t been to counter what I said. You ignoring the stats and objective reality is not my fault. Abrahamic Religions will die slowly but their death will start in the Western world before it does out in Africa.

HellVictorinho6:
Ur view
Ur problem



Calling me this or that changes nothing

U heard me

Ur view

Ur wahala


U wont be d first 2 call me stuff


U wont be d first 2 respond d way u av

Av seen worse replies


Continue with ur per4mance

My view? This is objective reality. This is no one’s view. Abrahamic Religions are going to become extinct one day globally. That’s not opinion based. That is factual. You really think In another like 300 years these religions will still exist? They will be in the history books.
They will be the mythologies of today

googi:
I think this Sladem05 is too ignorant to be a well informed African.

SirTee15 killed all your ignorance by asking you about Black Wall Street.

You do not understand what the intolerance or any successful African American business mean in America. From Agricultural farms to G.I Bill after WWII.

Sladem05 still cannot understand or answer the question of why you hardly find poor African American outside America. He keeps on comparing Africans and West Indians in Europe to African Americans in America.

Again, how many poor African Americans do you know outside America, including Nigeria?

The case of Black Wall Street should have told you the forces of evil in America is solidly against them. It is like building and making progress only to be destroyed and starting all over.

This is why they campaign about their "good old days".

I will agree that good ole days is a lie. You can’t apply that to any section of history whether it’s now or when the very first humans were born 300,000 years ago. The world has always sucked.It’s only MAGA and delusional white conservatives that believe in it. Good Ole Days but they forgot about US imperialism, racial segregation,discrimination and so on.

But Blacks weren’t the only ones that had a hard time. Asians, Hispanics and even whites did.

Slavery happened allover the world.

Japanese and Germans were put in concentration camps, Chinese people were banned from entering America. Arab Muslims are still discriminated in the country today but why have none fared as bad as black Americans have?

Give up this victim mentality.

HellVictorinho6:
First, na churches where u go concern me?


then,who cares if they close down ORDINARY CHURCHES?

then hope u know difference btw HIGHLY AND TOTALLY IRRELIGIOUS?

religious people av human rights and they cant be stopped from business,politics ,etc 4 as long as they exist ,however their numbers 4 as long as they dont try 2 force their religion on atheist rulers.

and u dont even av any evidence that ALL muslims and christians are old people.


STOP dodging the difference btw ALL and whatever data u are presenting

Google cant tell u exactly how many muslims and christians exist now

And if u check churches/mosques ALL OVER THE WORLD

GUY 4GET

Google must shut down

as 4 this phone, itz not western, the internet aint western too,

u know y?


bcuz itz not WESTERN CULTURE 2 make phones or create sumtin 2 do with phones.


The inventor of the telephone was 1 person, not an entire race.


as 4 the physics behind it, itz not jus abt westerners cuz physics is a subject that has itz own issues.

due 2 THESE ISSUES IN PHYSICS, certain people of different races av 2 keep studying or investigating.

there4 inventions in science/tech aint no invention of any race.


the issues are the problems that certain people encounter as they try 2 determine whatever it means 2 exist.


physics deals with what it means 2 exist according 2 what certain people try 2 establish.


these people are called physicists.


But if u dont see blacks avin their thoughts written, thatz another topic.


Writing isnt western either.


Just a mata of what sells faster during whatever periods in wherever

So writing/recording wasnt selling in africa as it is now




Writing is an art done in different ways by different people


As 4 the language spoken, english is not the only language people use.



English is jus another thing theyre selling

We av wat we sell too

We av people making their murny tru their ability 2 think in medicine,sports,music,engineering,etc

You really are a non-entity

1.More Churches are closing down than they are opening up. Thousands of churches and mosque close down every year. I never said most of Christians and Muslims are older people but that those religions are far stronger amongst the elderly compared to the youth. Youth especially western youth are irreligious compared to other religions. Church attendance has been on a decline allover the world.
When boomers and millennials pack up, religion will experience an even greater decline. The world is becoming more secular whether you want to accept it or not.

2. Yes, Those inventions like Internet, Phone are Western. Don’t tell me Philip Emeagawali invented the internet. He didn’t. Internet was a DARPA program.

3. Except for English what else is widely spoken? Is it not Western languages like French, Spanish, Italian, German etc? You’re a fool. The white man conquered the world Brudda. That’s evident by everything around us. English is not another thing they are selling. They colonised us and we speak their language but they don’t speak ours.

One day things like Christianity, Judaism and Islam will be viewed the same way we view Roman, Greek and Egyptian mythologies.

jara:
When they mention their Good Old Days, Africans are excluded.

The 1944 GI Bill put a generation of whites into the middle class; not Africans who served at war only to come home to segregation.
https://www.npr.org/2022/10/18/1129735948/black-vets-were-excluded-from-gi-bill-benefits-a-bill-in-congress-

The U.K Home Office destroyed thousands of landing card slips recording Windrush immigrants’ arrival dates in the UK to make it harder for older African and Caribbean-born residents in their 70s and 80s, to gain residency and benefits. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/apr/17/home-office-destroyed-windrush-landing-cards-says-ex-staffer

Good ole days is a lie to be honest.

HellVictorinho6:
Neither theism nor atheism touches me

All depends on how u express it 2 me




Keep ur googling 2 yasef

I never said it did. You asked me to provide evidence. I did. Now what?

HellVictorinho6:
Not jus africa


The arabs wont stop their shit

The biggest churches 2day cant do without whites in them

It is the OLD WHITES

anecdotally, whenever I go to churches over here the people you see at their church services are boomers and millennials. They are old white people, but after 30 years when these people kick the bucket what will happen to the churches here?
Thousands of churches close down every year and they are repurposed. Western Youth are highly irreligious and Western Culture has heavily influenced Africa and African youth. We can’t deny that. We are speaking a western language on a western innovation etc.

HellVictorinho6:
Neither theism nor atheism touches me

All depends on how u express it 2 me




Keep ur googling 2 yasef

So then what’s your point?

HellVictorinho6:
Yeah, those YOU refer 2 as less religious.

Repetition is not evidence.

https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2018/06/13/young-adults-around-the-world-are-less-religious-by-several-measures/

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-33256561.amp

Hate them as much as you want but atheists are going to rule this world at some point.

HellVictorinho6:
i said not full , are u crazy!


not full

wetin concern that one with ya sourced sewage?


and who dey folo u compare youths with elders?


see whos even speaking 4 youths


be careful

Because the youth are the future and they are less religious. Give it another 60-80 years Religion will see a massive decline in Africa too.

Newton85:
What "concept if religion" in Britain, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Netherlands is transforming them to atheists?

The youth aren’t religious in the West. Not by any means.

HellVictorinho6:
the west is not full of atheists


the youth here are mostly religious

Unsourced BS

And yes the west is already highly secularised. Western Europe is predominantly atheistic. USA, Canada, Australia are following suit.

Yes African youth are less religious compared to their elders. Something that people don’t realise is that these Abrahamic religions will one day become extinct, religions are essentially modern day mythologies.

SIRTee15:
Why are they fatherless. Guy U are not addressing the root cause of black Americans problem.
I just shooting blame up and down..

Poor Education (particularly Sex Ed)

Cultural Values

Teen Pregnancies

There are so many more factors as to why they are fatherless. That is root cause of Black America. They don’t have a nuclear family system.

Ammishaddai:
Keep dreaming . The average Nigerian is religious so it's only God that knows where you got this figure from .

The youth are extremely westernised

SIRTee15:
So what is the solution. That's my point.

It’s starts at the home. Too many African Americans are fatherless.