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One question, just one question on my mind

How does he have an erection?

Respect the dead and leave her out of y'all political innuendo

AwiLand:
History have it that you had always been a conquered slave, Igbos have never been conquered.so shut your trap and mind your business, we don't need your rotten and evil advice from a mere Hausa mouthpieces

I'm not in the same level with you when it comes to historical knowledge of west Africa. So I won't even welcome a discussion or argument from you

For your enlightenment, google Arochukwu, Ibini Ukpabi and its role in transatlantic slavery and learn how Ibibio and Akpa people sold millions of Igbo as slaves

Chikelue2000:
y obj?

Because Obj conquered and delivered Biafra to Nigeria government in 1970

An outstanding piece of advice from the VP. I have always said it before, only fools will not learn from history. Even if some of us are not born then, we can surely pick up books and read on event of things. It is quite unfortunate that many people whip sentiments and emotions instead of using logics

Like they always say, a word is enough for the wise

igbodefender:
How many times will that meaning be explained? Please do a local search. It has been explained in one of our posts.

For the benefit of the discussion I'm having with you on this thread, can you explain it for me?

ruggedised:
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you called this trash/jargons punch
You still a learner dude

I'm not a lowlife tribalist with inferiority complex like you. And like I said I'm not down for all this tribal bashing stupidity. Trust me if I say some things about Igbo people, many people will be hurt especially the non-bigot ones. You can stay off my post now dude

ruggedised:
I am a joker

Don't forget how Azikiwe died of 1 naira poison which was the reason he fainted several times before he eventually died in 1996 after a very long illness that was caused by chronic effect of a cheap poison he took in 1989 when his wife Flora died.

If you all think you can throw punches, always expect counter punches which are more hurtful.
I have always said I don't wanna engage in all these stupid and childish tribal bashing but if you attack me and my tribe, I will give it to you in multiple folds

ruggedised:
Mr smelling yellow teeth, afonja drug lord

He is still more politically relevant than all the southeast governors they became governors together in 1999. I mean the likes of:
Chiwoke Mbadinuju
Chimaroke Nnamani
Achike Udenwa
Orji Ozor Kalu
Sam Egwu

DIKEnaWAR:
I wish they would just make Evander Hollyfield God's judgement on Tinubu, for all he has stolen in Lagos state. Let him just beat Tinubu for 30minutes and we shall not seek to try him for corruption again.

When will you guys start talking about money stolen by
Chiwoke Mbadinuju
Chimaroke Nnamani
Achike Udenwa
Orji Ozor Kalu
Sam Egwu

And hold them responsible for looting southeast dry

igbodefender:
Like the Owu descendants of Obatala, who was the Osere Igbo of the halcyon Ile Ife fame the Oguta people of Imo State in today’s Igbo land have a festival called Owu Festival. Another name for it is the Okoshi Festival.  This is one of the festivals the Owu in today’s Yoruba Land also have.

The Oguta People have Osere title, which is one of the ancient titles Obatala had. Also, the Oguta People of Igbo Land have the Iyasare title, while the Ugbo People of today’s Yoruba Land (who are also aborigines of Ile Ife) have the Yasere title. These ‘coincidences’ cannot be dismissed as mere coincidences.

There is a deep link somewhere.Obatala is called the Sky Father in Yoruba history, while the Oguta Igbo people of today’s Igbo Land call their King Eze-Igwe, which means King of the Sky. The Oguta People have the same Eze Chima tradition of the Anioma People of Delta and Rivers. And we have said here that Eze Chima was a Lukumi Prince of Ile Ife, who was also titular Prince of Benin during the Ogiso times.

Add to this mix the recent statement that the Olowu of Owu made: to the effect that there are Owu Communities in today’s Igbo Land, and we can see that it is not a mystery: the Oguta People are one of the Igbo aborigines of Ile Ife also known as the mythical Lukumi, whose ancient tongue is only spoken in Aniocha in Igbo Land.

Source: http://www.igbodefender.com/2017/05/23/the-oguta-igbo-people-are-one-of-the-lukumi-aborigines-of-ile-ife/

Mr. Igbodefender, Can you explain what Olukumi means in Igbo language? I know you are seeing enough evidences that show that some present Igbos migrated from what is now Yorubaland, but instead, you decided to twist history and write complete opposite of what happened.

If you cannot breakdown and explain what Lukumi means in Igbo language, then no one should take you serious.

Slimzjane:
dis geh no use style fyn at ol

And you think you are fine from your dp?

Who tha fvck is this one?

This egbere is just looking for attention

She knows where to go to get her virginity paid for

They will pop her cherry and use a BBC to stretch out her vjj. But after the session the state of her jewel shall never be intact again

RIP Mr. Olumide Bakare

mmsen:
Didn't they used to bury the king's servant(s) when the king died - should we keep that tradition too?

Do you live in a traditional Yoruba house or a modern brick and mortar house?

Do you spend your time farming? Or trading?

Do you plan on waging war on the Fulani to avenge the theft of your land?

Do you continue to worship Shango or have you been swayed by the new gods of Abraham?

Didn't they used to bury the king's servant(s) when the king died - should we keep that tradition too?

You said didn't they. And I'm sure "didn't they" implies something that happened in the past. Do you want me to tell you some of the absurd practices carried out in dark age Europe too?

Do you live in a traditional Yoruba house or a modern brick and mortar house?

If you're knowledgeable about architectural concept, you should know that those traditional houses are ingeniously built. Houses that remains cool inside during hot afternoon and warm up at night without temperature regulator. I'm surprised there are not so many mud houses in Nigeria these days

Do you spend your time farming? Or trading?

I don't understand this your question. Are you saying farming depicts lack of civilization or farming is only limited to African tradition. I don't just understand you

Do you plan on waging war on the Fulani to avenge the theft of your land?

From this question I can guess the tribe you come from. This question is a total red herring to discourse at hand. However, to enlighten you and folks that think like you, Ilorin was never stolen or conquered by Fulani. If you wanna know what really happened, I can explain to you in details

Do you continue to worship Shango or have you been swayed by the new gods of Abraham?

I don't know what you are implying by this question too. But just to let you know, Jews have African ancestry. You need to seek contemporary historical knowledge and not the whitewashed history you have been taught.

http://forward.com/culture/140721/genes-tell-tale-of-jewish-ties-to-africa/

mmsen:
https://cdn.tradingeconomics.com/charts/nigeria-gdp.png?s=nigeriagdp&v=201705022125u

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/nigeria/gdp

We must self police for our own good. It's not about demonizing tradition or history. If something is wrong we must first acknowledge and then correct the mistake.

We should not dogmatically stick to tradition, you see where it has gotten us. We could be so much further along if we didn't have so many people who insist on clinging to outmoded practices. Nigeria must reform or it will die. The same goes for Africa as a whole.

Take this as my message from this discourse. If you lose your traditions, you lose your identity. If you lose your identity, you will never move forward. In as much as I support reform some of our traditions, I do not support abolishing many of them, and one of them is the monarchical system

mmsen:
The Nigerian economy was valued at close to $600 billion in 2014.

The reason why Nigeria is third world is because of the productivity of the nation is not in alignment with the population. Nor would I expect it to be when you have some regions who think it is acceptable to send their children out to beg and when not doing that to waste hours every week reciting Arab nonsense.

As to you trying to justify slavery. Shame on you. Europeans bought slaves from your beloved African monarchs who also fought against the Europeans to maintain the trade when the British attempted to end the barbaric trade. I am not one to romanticize Europe or European history but equally when Africans have done wrong we need to acknowledge it so that we can hold them to account where possible and learn from the error.

I know people like you, Mr ITK. You just have to correct my gdp figure even though you are wrong. Nigeria GDP as at year end of 2015 stood at $481 bn, and I'm quite sure the one for 2016 will be lower than that. I never justified slavery, all I said was, stop exonerating other races from participating in slavery. In as much as slavery has been in existence from beginning of time, what distinguished trans-atlantic slavery from other slavery was the treatment of the enslaved as property by Caucasians. I never said Africans haven't done anything wrong, all what I'm telling you is that don't demonize our history and tradition.

mmsen:
Your point about African-Americans does not help your argument. Rather the fact that despite the discrimination and abuse that they face affords them access to greater wealth and living standards than the residents of Ile-Ife should cause you to question the need for monarchy.

Willem Alexander has no power and limited access to public resources, he doesn't have as much opportunity to be corrupt. But other monarchs have been and are. The Saudi monarchy are notoriously crooked. Likewise their counterpart in Bahrain.

Capitalists at least have to find sources of income to fund their projects - monarchs do nothing. Does Ile-Ife even have 24 hour electricity? And if not why not? Why is Dangote doing more to eradicate the problem of power scarcity than all of the monarchs in Nigeria?

Our ancestors are not gods, they did some good and they did some silly things - such as hiding behind superstition and religion to explain the world, selling their neighbors into slavery, engaging childish witch hunts of those who tried to do things differently. We should learn from the good as well as their errors to be better instead of foolishly mimicking their behavior. We have access to more information than they did and should use it to progress.

Your point about African-Americans does not help your argument. Rather the fact that despite the discrimination and abuse that they face affords them access to greater wealth and living standards than the residents of Ile-Ife should cause you to question the need for monarchy.

The monarch of Ile-Ife has nothing to do with standard of living in Nigeria. The question you need to ask yourself is why despite having GDP of over 400 bn dollars, we are still a third world country. You and I know that Ooni wasn't responsible for mismangement of revenue generated by Nigeria from 1960s till date. If you wanna know the reasons Nigeria and most African countries found themselves in dire state, you need to do some reading but surely it wasn't Ooni or other monarchs fault. About US, dude go to inner cities like Chicago, Compton, St Louis, Flint, Memphis, Philadelphia, New Orleans, Detroit etc. And experience what it is to live as a black in a first world country. Like I told you earlier stop basing your argument on what you see on TV. It is not true reflection of what's going on.

Willem Alexander has no power and limited access to public resources, he doesn't have as much opportunity to be corrupt. But other monarchs have been and are. The Saudi monarchy are notoriously crooked. Likewise their counterpart in Bahrain

And in your mind, you think Ooni as power or access to resources more than Willem-Alexander? The point of the argument was Ooni just like Willem-Alexander and other European monarchs I mentioned earlier are only constitutional and have zero to limited access to public fund, however, what their institutions represent is upliftment and identification with their cultures and traditions. You bringing Monarchs of middle east doesn't help your argument because with, what you are doing is comparing absolute monarchs with constitutional monarchs.

Capitalists at least have to find sources of income to fund their projects - monarchs do nothing. Does Ile-Ife even have 24 hour electricity? And if not why not? Why is Dangote doing more to eradicate the problem of power scarcity than all of the monarchs in Nigeria?

Bro, you need to understand what Capitalism really is. And if I may ask out of curiosity, where do you think they get those funds from? Do you know who the Rothschild and Medici families are? Like I said, things are not the way you see them. And for goodness sake, can you stop putting the responsibilities of social amenities provision on Monarchs. Ile Ife not having electricity is not the responsibility of Ooni just like running of government affairs in UK is not the responsibility of Queen Elizabeth. Least I forget, Dangote is doing more to eradicate power scarcity because as an entrepreneur he needs stable power supply for his businesses just like Carlos Slim of Mexico is doing in his country

Our ancestors are not gods, they did some good and they did some silly things - such as hiding behind superstition and religion to explain the world, selling their neighbors into slavery, engaging childish witch hunts of those who tried to do things differently. We should learn from the good as well as their errors to be better instead of foolishly mimicking their behavior. We have access to more information than they did and should use it to progress

The bolded is the reason why we need reeducation of misinformed knowledge passed to us by Caucasians. We have been wrongly informed to feel guilty and blame ourselves for being enslaved by white people. All races have been enslaving and subjecting others to their rules from time immemorial. Euroasia, Native americans just like Africans sold or conquered others of their kinds into being slaves. And Africans do not sell their family or neighbours into slavery, they sold people of other tribes or villages that they believe were different from them. Also, I believe you should be knowledgeable to know that witch hunting in Europe lasted to as recently as 18th century. During the witch hunting era of Europe that lasted for centuries, guess who were mostly executed? Women and children of course. I'm not trying to justify this barbaric act in present era in Africa but every race has their history and you demonising African history and glorifying European history is a typical whitewashing history we have been taught in school. Don't be fooled brother, do more reading and discovered the truth about your race by yourself.

osinbanjoisaliar:
Afonjas, it seems dance don dey enter clap. Your heroes are now coming to terms with reality. Oga Jagaban, you betta start packing your bags and picking your getaway hideout. Because, when it happens, the khaki boys will surround bourdillion road so fast, you will not even see it coming.
You don't have to worry about your cocaine money and your family. Dino melaye will help you with remi while sons of daura will enjoy your daughters. After Dino is through with Remi, she will have twins to show for it. Later Aisha Mohammed and Charles Taylor will give you tea to drink.

Coup cannot work in Nigeria at this age. Any stupid military officer that do so will be sniffed out by world leaders in no time because world leaders need democracy in Nigeria.And just a piece of advice for you, wash your hate filled mind with bleach.

mmsen:
I did not say that all African-Americans are wealthy but they have more wealth than other black populations - they spend over $1 trillion dollars per annum.
The few ones are wealthy because they live in the wealthiest country QED. But on average many black Americans in US struggle to survive

Monarchs are often corrupt and because they are not elected by people but are rather said to be chosen by a deity it is harder to depose them.

This monarch lives better than everyone else in Ile-Ife - why?



Also, there are parts of Nigeria that do not have monarchs and have not had monarchs for centuries, that practiced a form of limited democracy. To allow people to chose their leaders has nothing to do with trying to be European. Coincidentally those are the same areas that have made the most social progress over the past century

I did not say that all African-Americans are wealthy but they have more wealth than other black populations - they spend over $1 trillion dollars per annum.

The few ones are wealthy because they live in the wealthiest country QED. But on average many black Americans in US struggle to survive

Monarchs are often corrupt and because they are not elected by people but are rather said to be chosen by a deity it is harder to depose them.

This monarch lives better than everyone else in Ile-Ife - why?

Monarchs are not corrupt, it is the system they are in that is corrupt which explain why someone like Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands will likely be less corrupt than many monarchs in Africa. And are you complaining how Ooni lives better than everyone else in Ile-Ife? Bro, you need to understand how capitalism works. You think monarchs are living better than others? wait until you know how capitalists and bureaucrats live off others sweat

Also, there are parts of Nigeria that do not have monarchs and have not had monarchs for centuries, that practiced a form of limited democracy. To allow people to chose their leaders has nothing to do with trying to be European. Coincidentally those are the same areas that have made the most social progress over the past century.

Those parts of the country that do not have monarchs have traditions and cultures, and my point all the while is keeping those cultures and traditions, identifying who we truly are and be proud of the accomplishments of our ancestors

mmsen:
You don't go forward by looking forward.

Do you look behind you when accelerating in your car?

We need to be clear on what has hampered Africa and what has assisted out growth - monarchy has not helped. The monarchs of the past did not protect their people from the colonialists, nor did they protect people from the trans-Atlantic or Islamic slave trade.

We must not romanticize the past but rather embrace knowledge.

Blacks in the US are the wealthiest in the world - I don't know how you came to the conclusion that they are doing worse than those in Canada? Besides, you've thrown that false statement out there without acknowledging the history of both nations.

Dude don't base your judgement on what you see on TV. The so called wealthy blacks in US are not up to 0.1% of black population. Apart from these black celebrities, the blacks doing well are African migrants and their children (by African migrants, I mean the Africans that willingly moved to America not those enslaved). Now lemme answer those questions for you.
You see, the reason why corruption is rampant in Africa is because our leaders have lost the African traditions and cultures that preach on morality. Most African traditions are based on morality, seeking out for others and being truthful to yourself. Once you interchange those morality for love of money, what you have is leaders that care for themselves and themselves alone.
On the subject of blacks in Canada doing better than those in US, this is a known fact and a complex one. Take away the very few celebrities, an average blacks of slavery descendants face alot of challenges. Do you know that over 5% of African american male are incarcerated in prisons (lower than 0.01% in Canada), do you know that black youth represent the majority of unemployed in America (very low in Canada), do you know that blacks have the highest homicide rate by their own race in inner cities of America etc (one of the lowest in Canada), do you know the percentage of blacks with 2 years or more post secondary education in US is less than 40% (over 85% in Canada). Surely, we shouldn't look away from how biased the American system is against the blacks. Having said all these, lemme tell you why blacks in Canada are doing better than their counterpart in US. The reason is because most blacks in Canada are immigrants and descendants of immigrants that are still very much in connection with their cultures and traditions unlike slaves descendants that had their cultures whipped out of them and given their masters' names
Do you want to know why blacks are look down on? Because we have lost touch with who we are, because we are making effort everyday to be more like Europeans, because we have forgotten our traditions and cultures, because we have forgotten how strong we are both mentally and physically, because we have been misinformed that how ancestors did absolute nothing before the Europeans came, because most of us do not know that our ancestors from the Nile gave birth to other civilizations in the world including Greco-roman civilization, because we haven't contributed to modern civilization in recent time as a result of having conflict with our identity.
Even if we eliminate all the monarchs, Africa will still not develop because that won't stop our leaders from being corrupt and self centered.
Africa monarchical institutions make us to remember who we are and how powerful we are as a race. We need this identity if we are going to move forward and not the quasi European identity we are all trying to be. However, I think we need to modernize the monarchical system which is the reason I have so much respect for this Ooni for his effort.
You keep saying the monarchs are useless but I ask, why do you think a country like Canada despite gaining independence from UK 150 years ago still pledge to the queen?

mmsen:
That is the biggest load of nonsense.

You sound like the imbeciles who claim that Africa's progress has stalled because Africans follow the wrong religion.

The problem is poorly informed people, such as yourself, who think that we must keep doing things that do not benefit the society.

If the king was a vanguard of progress and prosperity I would keep my anti-monarchist sentiment to myself, unfortunately for him I am familiar with the issues of Ile-Ife and that is why I ask what his purpose is? Why would people pledge allegiance to an office that offers zero services?

People attack the FG and the state governments in Nigeria but they do far more than this guy and the other useless monarchs.

If you want to engage me in intellectual discourse, I'm ready for you, but I will appreciate if we don't turn it to mudslinging contest.
Now let this slowpoke educate you. I never said African growth stalled because we follow wrong religion, I said the lack of our development is looking away from our traditions and cultures. I need to ask you some questions, why do you think corruption is so rampant in Africa? Why do you think blacks in U.S. are doing worse than their counterpart in Canada despite being in the same continent? Why do you think black race is looked down upon? Do you think scrapping all monarchical systems in Africa, will lead to development? Before I provide answers to these questions, I will like to see your opinion.

mmsen:
What is 'humble' about a man who allows others to call him king?

He is king because that's the tradition. You see, the reason why black nations are not developed is because we have decided to look away from our traditions and cultures. Apart from UK, do you know there are many countries in Europe with monarchs till today such as Sweden, Denmark, Liechtenstein, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Monaco, Andorra, Spain and Norway. This doesn't include monarchs in Asia

Do you know the reason why these highly democratic countries still have monarchs today? Because that's their culture and tradition. Canada today as big, rich and wonderful it is, they still pledge to the queen in UK, and the queen has absolute no contribution to their economy. Do you know why they do so, because that's their cultures and traditions.
No nation can't be great if you forget your culture and tradition. Like Fela rightly said in his "Teacher don't teach me nonsense" track:
Who be government teacher? culture and tradition....he went on by saying African culture and tradition has been replaced by corruption, inflation, mismanagement etc. which explain the reason why Africa is backward.
You need to do more reading my friend

Why are there so many wicked people in Nigeria these days?

I remember his goal against Zubizarreta of spain in France 1998. Very technical player that played to coaches instruction

On another note, I'm quite sure Uncle Garba Lawal can't be less than 50 years

Anyway, Happy birthday to this gentleman

I don't like hearing anything bbn

Very colourful

seunny4lif:
Chinyeaka Okeke, 41

Name checking

What do you guys gain from all this name checking nonsense?

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twosquare:
not a myth mate, I had a first-hand experience with that demonic spirit in 2011...no be play

Did you see that mat? And how did he look?
I'm just curious

Ezionye:
Not if they are modelling undies.

Besides many use sex appeal by going naked in other to draw peoples attention to a product that is not necessarily clothing.

Sex appeal with Beverly ....Nne I'm saying she is ugly o, but knowing how Nigerian men get drawn to endowed ladies like magnets, don't you think anyone using her for nudie modelling are wasting their money?