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kasyula:
I'm travelling to the UK and would like to know whether I'm obligated to make a two way ticket.

I wil be travelling from Italy, hence I'm chanced to use a low cost airline (Ryanair). As a result, because I have a two year visa, they canot process a ticket with a 2 year validity span.

Please lemmie know if it will create a problem for my entry in Heathrow.

Thank you,

Joe

You better know what you are doing. The fact that you have a two year visa does not mean you can stay in the UK for two years o (unless it is resident permit for two years). Whether you have a two year or a five or ten year visa, if it is a visitor's visa, you are not allowed to remain in the country for more than six months at a time (unless you obtain further permission to remain/ extend your stay). I'll advise you to hold your return ticket (tickets can get issued up to a year for for return tickets). Sometimes, the immigration officers so not ask for it, but nowadays, they do more often than not.

lucabrasi:
seems as if there is a communication gap right here,you came up with the definitions not me[b],i was only using your definitions to prove my poinst ses finis[/b], in order not to write a long ass article,i gave specific examples that were as near as possible to the psivate university scenario,namely the american embassy,the army who have similar contracts and laws or rules or regulations e.t.c and i asked you are they usurping the recruits or the applicants as the case may be  s human rights?
if your answer is yes then i guess any recruit not cool with being treated like a child,telling them when to sleep and wake up,barbig their hair e.t.c lol

same as american embassy,having to go through ll sorts of tests because of a visa and being refused even if you have been selected for the green card programme thingy, guess they should have been taken to court as well for usurping applicants human rights?
hope im getting through this time, between there are numerous other examples, nda is one,nms  is another,they are not faith based but operate pretty much along the same lines,but just to humour my ignorance when your are talking about usurping fundamental rights,do you mean the right to have sex on the university premises when they like?cuddle and all sorts e.t.c guess we need  they need to get with the programme seeing as the western world is doing an awesome job of educating his youths so far, lmao, ok i get it,seems making them sign documents forbidding them from indulging in sexual vices while on the school grounds is what is getting to you right?
or the fact that they dismiss hiv positive students,while you ll rather they disregard the feelings of the other parents(having in mind that an average nigerian parent will withdraw their children straightaway)if they find such,i didnt know a university doesnt have a righ to screen students just like the american embassy untill i heard it first hand from a lawyer lol thank GOD you are nigerian,if u don't mind should i look for hiv positive people who have been  refused visas after their tests showed they are positive??but you ll have to get a few more of your colleagues because theres a lot o
its a shame you have given up on my crass ignorance cause i was hoping you will address the simple question i have repeatedly asked if the american embassy are usurping the human rights of applicants or if the  army are usurping the human rights of recruits(and i don't mean just the nigerian army but world wide includn america and uk)lol

Oh Lawdy Lord, just for the final time, I will explain some basic issues and principles to you. But before I do that, let me say you have not made any point. You said you made a point. . . what point was it you made, because I sure did not see it. Also, you said you had raised the US embassy/army issue over and over again. . . may I ask where?

Now to educate you a little on Immigration and/or International Law. Please do pay attention because I will not say this again.  A person does not have a "right" to enter a country of which he is not a citizen. Leave granted to enter a foreign country is a PRIVILEGE and NOT a right, and a foreign country may impose entry and other restrictions on aliens as it sees fit. A person's own country of which he is citizen cannot for example deny entry to such citizen on the ground that he is HIV positive (so the USA cannot say to one of its citizen that he cannot enter the USA because he is HIV positive or because he is an ex-convict etc, but they can deny entry and/or visas to citizens of other countries). NOBODY has a human right to freely enter any country he pleases (which he is not a citizen of) or to travel unrestricted all over the world. Do you hear me? NOBODY - Not even the US president nor the Secretary-General of the UN. NOBODY WHATSOEVER.

So just to recap -

Freedom from discrimination and or Unfair Dismissal in the workplace/School = A RIGHT

Freedom to Travel/Enter into a country of which a person is not a citizen = A PRIVILEGE. Comprehende?

With your question about people in the army, you are sounding more and more ridiculous. Any establishment is allowed to have rules, regulations and codes of conduct which governs their employees. I do not know how anyone can jump to the conclusions you have. If your pointless analogy is carried to its ridiculous conclusion, you'd soon say that because I said a school has no right to dismiss a HIV positive student, it means that a boss cannot tell an employee when to resume at work and when to go home. . . or what work to do.  

I really do not know what you were rambling on about in places, but let me say this in as plain a manner as I can. A school or an employer can tell you not to have sex on its premises or during work hours. They cannot however take away your right absolutely or totally and say for example "you must never ever have sex while in this employment or while in this school" unless the act they are prohibiting is in itself illegal (so for example, in Nigeria, a school/employer may dismiss you on evidence of homosexual acts even carried out in the privacy of your home because such acts are illegal in Nigeria. That cannot be done in the UK).

Regarding parents who will withdraw their children because someone is HIV positive, Let them bloody withdraw them. It's not like the HIV virus can jump from one desk to another. Ignorance is a fucking disease. I doubt if HIV positive people advertise the fact they have the virus and if the school was to divulge such confidential and sensitive information, they deserve to be sued. I even wonder how the school got the information in the first place.

Anyway, me I am done here. Cos you seem like one of those people who just like arguing even when you do not know much about anything. Your analogies are poor, your grasp is weak, your understanding of the issues is shocking and your knowledge of the law is abysmal. I concede that enlightening you is a herculean task that I am loathe and unable to shoulder. This time I DO REALLY GIVE UP and will no longer join issues with you.

@ Airegin,

Is that you Dupe?

lucabrasi on August 04, 2008 at 10:46:14 AM:
i never claimed to be a lawyer or anything but i humbly pride myself on knowing the basics,funny thing is that you have contradicted yourself by your definition of a binding contract
1)offer-the students were offered a place  based on the universities rules,regulations,law,commandments e.t.c
2)acceptance-their parents or guardian read the offer letter,digested all that was written in the letter,made a decision and accepted to send their children to these universities,you will agree with me that to leave lagos town and drive all the way to lagos-ibadn expressway shows you have accepted right?
[b]3)consideration-like i said in 2,there considered it and weighted their options seeing as there were several options from secular private universities like igbinideon,abti e.t.c to state and federal government run universities like unilag,u.i e.t.c or going abroad,
4)intention-the parent's intention is for their sons not to mix wth cultists or their daughters to mix with prostitutes masquerading as students,they want their children to have a christian based quality education while being grounded in their faith,as for the university's intention, that is well clear and its simply to turn outmorally upstanding,christian graduates e.t.c[/b]so i really don't get it when you say the contract is not binding 

they don't have to tell you that if you are hiv positive you will be expelled,but they have a right to tell you not to indulge in sexual vices,criminal vices e.t.c so if you contract hiv through having any sexual contact then you have gone contrary to what your parents signed or agreed with the school,this is not a company where everyone has a right to dress or do what makes them comfortable like you are saying,this is a school where teenagers are supposed to be moulded into responsible upright christian adults,like i said and keep saying,its a christian university and like any christian establishment they have a zero tolerance on anything considered sinful,also they reserve the right to refuse a prospective student  just like the american embassy if they are hiv positive,and while in the school if a student gets pregrant they have a right to expell her because she is in danger of giving he school a bad name


it is very easy,nobody is drafting students or forcing them to go to these universities,they made a rational and informed choice all on their own so they have an obligation to abide by the rules or law, i don't really get what you are on about checking facts properly because by your definition of a binding contract,i have shown how the agreement made between prents and the universities are binding based on your own definition of a binding contract,so if anyone needs to be well informed,i think you should be the one,go do some research on the number of potential armed robbers/hired killers ,prostitutes/hiv carriers,sub standard graduates who pay lecturers for marks e.t.c then correlae it with the quality of graduates the likes of babcock,covenant,redeemers e.t.c are producing and that is not even mentioning secular universities

LOL. . . OMG you just don't get it mate. Now I really found that funny. You need to check what consideration and intention means when talking about contracts. (when I said consideration I meant apyment of sorts (not necessarily money or fees) and intention means intention to enter into or create legal relations).  Also, if you paid attention to what I said, you'd remember that IT DOES NOT MATTER whether the students or their parents signed a contract (even if all the elements are present). Because if the contract is against the law, IT IS VOID (it isn't worth the paper it is printed on). I did not say the school was not a legal establishment. I said that if the school made someone sign a document that made them give away their fundamental human right, such a document is not valid as it is illegal, and it can successfully be challenged. By the way, I'm sure the school would not be so stupid as to make people sign a document that says they can be expelled if they are found to be HIV positive. Not even an employer can legitimately get away with that.

Oh and FYI, I hope you know that a person can be HIV positive for months (even years) without knowing it. So a student's HIV status could actually pre-date a "so called contract" signed (if the university is dumb enough to make anyone sign a ludicrous document) and like I said before, sex is not the only way to contact the HIV virus. It is truly a pity that the Nigerian justice system is so crappy and fails most people. If I was back there, I'll be glad to represent a victim that was dismissed by a school or an employer for being HIV positive. And I will be happy to do it pro bono too.

^{Anyway, I see I cannot make you appreciate the legality or otherwise of such dismissal, so}  I GIVE UP!

@ Ndipe,

What school did you attend?

lucabrasi on 03:08:08 at 4.15.43PM:
why are you taking it so personal?its their school and the law didnt just spring up on students after they or their guardians signed the dotted lines,they read the laws and agreed to it,besides its a christian school and these are the kind of qualities they don't want in their school, i have been to some countries in europe,uk and the us and i know for a fact that anywhere you sign a contract either school,business e.t.c it is binding and they can't be held liable,in a country where the public universities are breeding prostitutes,cultists turning into armed robbers and hired killers and yahoo yahoo boys and girls christian universities should be applauded,go and check the politics section and read about the girl that faked her own kidnapping with undesirables she met in her public uni and got 5 million off her dad,guess u prefer that sort of freedom right?

You will do well to only address topics within the purview of your personal knowledge. First of all, what you referred to as the university's "laws" are regulations and/or codes of conducts.  Secondly, even if by some misinformed or misguided conception, they are referred to as laws, such "laws" are illegal because they conflict with state/federal laws and much more importantly, they conflict with the constitution of the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

Now do not get me wrong, it is legal to prescribe a code of conduct which is legally binding, but issues like being expelled for being HIV positive is definitely illegal and unconstitutional (Moreover, there is no way for you to ascertain that the virus was as a result of promiscuity and even if it was, it would still amount to discrimination and that is unconstitutional). These institutions are carrying on with this nonsense because the Nigerian legal system is shite. If not, someone would have instituted legal action and would have been laughing to the bank by now.

Thirdly, You obviously do not have a clue when it comes to contracts, so that claptrap about you knowing about contracts in Europe is pure balderdash. If you knew anything at all about contracts, you would know that merely signing a document does not automatically make it binding. The essential elements of a contract must be there (i.e. offer, acceptance, consideration and intention). However, even if the elements are all there, there are factors that are known as vitiating elements. But all these are not even relevant here, because any learned person will tell you that you cannot be made to contractually sign away your fundamental human rights (so, for example, here in the EU, I cannot make you sign a contract saying that if you are a homosexual, I can sack or expel you. If you sign such a contract, it is worthless, as it is VOID ab initio - you do not even need to say you did not sign it, you can say, yes I signed it, but it is an illegal contract as it contravenes the law and that would be the end of it. If I make the grave error of sacking you on that ground, you can sue me easily AND get mega compensation).

Now, you'd note I did not use the sexual orientation example for Nigeria. That is because apparently, in a land that allows paedophiles to walk around free, adults are not allowed to choose whether they want to be gay or straight. Notwithstanding, even in Nigeria, it is ILLEGAL to dismiss someone on the ground that they signed a contract was was illegal in the first place.

So, please do check the "facts" properly (as well as their legality), so that you can form a balanced informed opinion before challenging peoples views.

Are you guys kidding me? I cannot even believe what I am reading here. Surely, it is illegal for anyone (employer or school authority) to expel people on the ground that they are HIV positive (or even pregnant). Talk about backward mentality. Does anyone know anybody that was so expelled? We should be talking lawsuits here. ^{And I know, that in fucking Nigeria, the legal system and the courts seldom come through at all for the common man. . . and certainly not on time.}

I even forgot another benefit. This only applies to citizens who are writers though. Only writers from Commonwealth countries can compete for the Booker Prize which is arguably the most prestigious prize for a single written work (novel) by an author. The Booker prize has the effect of propelling a writer's career sky high.

Now, I am not saying this is a reason to remain in the commonwealth, I am just saying it is one of the benefits that accrues to commonwealth citizens.

Sammy107_d:
@ Smc. im sure you had a UK or US visa when you traveled to the Caribbean because u have to transit. so wots the use. Il say nothing to commonwealth

And your point is?

I had some mates from other countries who travelled to the caribbean and also had UK/US visas but who needed to get visas for the respective countries they were visiting in the caribbean. Also, apart from the Dominican Republic in which people can benefit from having UK/US or EU visas, you do NOT need a UK or US visa for those places I listed,  A transit visa would do nicely (and in the UK, an immigration official may use his discretion to allow you to pass through the UK to another country without a transit visa if you have a connecting flight in less than 24 hours. The same applied in the USA, but with their new anti-terror laws etc, I doubt anyone can get away with it anymore). Thus, for those countries I mentioned above, if you do not belong to a commonwealth country, you'll have to obtain a visa to visit (that is in addition with a transit visa for any relevant country you are passing through)

lucabrasi:
@poster
ill say nothing as well considering the commitments nigeria undertakes because of the so called commonwealth,nigerians are treated like crap in commonwealth countries,theres no freemovement and they hide under the guise of"nigerians are scammers e.t.c"
which caribbean country still gives nigeria visa free,are you sure abou tha?

I am very sure. I went on holiday to Barbados months back (Visa free, and yes, on a Naija passport). I know Grenada is visa free to commonwealth citizens too, because I was supposed to go there with my ex who is from Grenada a couple of years ago (See http://www.grenadaconsulate.com/VISA_EXEMPT.htm#Commonwealth). Jamaica used to be visa free for Nigerians, but now they allow citizens from all other commonwealth countries visa free, except Nigeria (Nigerians require "referral" i.e. a visa of sorts,  See http://www.congenjamaica-ny.org/visas.htm). No visitor from any country whatsoever requires a visa to enter St. Vincent and the Grenadines. Commonwealth Citizens do not require a visa to visit Saint Kitts and Nevis (See http://www.stkittsnevis.org/visas.html#exemp).

Trinidad and Tobago let in Ghanaians, Kenyans, Gambians and most commonwealth countries visa free,  Nigeria, South Africa, Cameroon and a few other commonwealth countries require visas (See http://www.immigration.gov.tt/applicationloader.asp?app=articles&id=694).  Anyone can enter the Dominican Republic if they have a valid US/UK/Canada/EU visa. They only need a tourist card which costs ten quid in the UK.

I think there may be others, but I am not staking my reputation on it. So Naija people know where they can go on holiday. A little research will probably unveil more.

@ Poster, I do think that generally it is a No No. If it was an informal interview, then it may be okay but strictly professional? The answer is No. It might be interpreted that you are trying to sway the interviewer.

On the other hand though, if it was a high end top managementl job where the headhunters/ new potential employers want you desperately and are trying to woo/steal you away from your great job, then it is not only acceptable but is a good sign (of confidence etc) when you send a thank you letter. ^{(But somehow, I assume you are not enquiring about top management job interviews)}

elodie:
nothing

That is not true. Most benefits accrue to the sovereign states, although it may be argued that it has ceased to have any clout or significance in the modern day world. For citizens however, there are numerous things to be gained, one of which is travel (which I try to take advantage of) to many other commonwealth countries visa free (please note that I said many, NOT ALL of them o) e.g. quite a number of those Caribbean countries.

- Scotland (Edinburgh (my favourite Scottish city), Dundee, Aberdeen, Glasgow, Inverness, Stonehaven, St. Andrews, Montrose, Broughty Ferry & places I can't remember)

- Wales (Cardiff, Glamorgan, Swansea e.t.c.)

- England (London, Herts, Essex, Manchester, Newcastle, Gloucestershire, Southampton, Kent, Middlesex, Liverpool, Birmingham & More)

- France (Paris [this is probably my favourite city and I have been there numerous times. I especially love it early or late summer when there are not so many tourists. It is also lovely in the early autumn and I love sitting to read/write in one of the lovely large gardens like my favourite Jardin du Luxembourg (oh my God I need another holiday, LOL)], Also, St.Tropez {lovely but crazily expensive])

- Spain - (Madrid, Toledo, Barcelona)

- Italy (Milan, Rome)

- Germany (Frankfurt, Alnsheim, Munich)

- Benin Republic - (Porto Novo, Cotonou)

- USA (New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Florida, Las Vegas, Virginia, Washington D.C., Maryland & places I can't remember)

- Barbados (Bridgetown, Christ Church, as well as the parishes of St. James, St. George, St. Michael e.t.c.)

- And My Own Country Nigeria (Lagos, Edo, Imo, Anambra, Enugu, Abuja, Plateau, Kaduna, Kano, Bauchi, Oyo, Ogun, Ondo, Benue, Kogi and heaven only knows which other states as I am no longer sure since new states were created ages and ages ago).