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MICHEALADEX:
See another serious wailer either $2.1b or $300m u are talking rubbish

Let me ask you: aside from abacha loot $300m did the Senate not approve loan in the tune of $1b to fight insurgency? Idiotic expression of clouded mind. Oloriburuku aburo oloshi

Are you aware the loan was never sourced? This is why I say you lot have been overfed with propaganda!

dvee2:
Some people can be so funny in defending the indefensible. Let us assume from your write up that the money was meant for security vote, what then is security vote meant for? Is security vote meant for sharing with political allies? When you include security votes in your budget, it implies the money should be use for any uprising including purchase of arms to quell insurgency and not for distribution among PDP.

Please educate yourself. Security votes can be used for about anything from sinking of bore holes in a community to buying soap and food for some group of people to media publicity and sensitization. That is what the law allows. Leave out the sentiments

sweetgala:
It doesn't matter where the money came from, the fact remains that monies approved for government procurement of military hardware, security and national defence was disbursed for private party (PDP) activity.

The crime still remains, unless it can be proven that the said monies was provided to the ONSA by PDP from it's private purse.

Dasuki broke the law and no matter how the OP tries to dress this pig it would still be a big fat smelly PIG

I will patiently keep educating you lot. The total money mentioned is allocation to his office. He has a right to disburse it. It isnt moey to buy arms as alledged by the EFCC and the media propaganda. So he has not committed any crime yet except it is proven that the items he disbursed them for were illegal. But you can hardly prove that if it comes under the security vote.

Ioannes:
a thief who has been caught red-handed is mentioning his fellow yam-eaters and some hair-brained fellows here are asking us not to believe.

I think the harsh weather of the harmattan is really affecting the OP and his bandwagon.

Nobody has been caught red handed and nobody has been mentoning any yam eaters. Dasuki has said clearly he has not mentioned anybody. Your post is a good example of the propaganda war and media trial going on

Goke7:
since the panel has not concluded their report, then why are you in a hurry to justify those that have been alleged to have committed offences against the state, you guys keep shouting propaganda to see if all the truth will come out of the investigations.

You are the one spewing sentiments to justify even those that are already confessing to have collected money that is not theirs in any form and from the way you are talking about the 9.3million dollars seized by SA, its obvious you are just bitter against the person of PMB just because your beloved GEJ was booted out. God will grant us grace to continue to bear and endure all your wailing against the Govt.

You started well in your opening analysis trying to be objective but you gave yourself away when you started bashing PMB and his Govt, if you have condemned some of the actions by dasuki and co, you would have been balanced but your unnecessary bias and support for stealing of Govt funds will make nobody believe your conspiracy theory chikena

Please educate yourself. A man is innocent until proven guilty! Please repeat that 7 times so it sinks into your head. That is one of the tenets of democracy and justice. So I dont need to justify him. He is justified in the eyes of the law until proven guilty. I will bash GMB and his government because they are failing as far as justice is concerned. They are breaking the laws they have sworn to uphold.

This your post is just sentiments. Please argue on facts

TonyeBarcanista:
Even Kabiru Sokoto pleaded not guilty. Bernard Maddof pleaded not guilty. In fact, 99% of criminals usually plead not guilty. That's no surprising...


The case is in court... Dasuki is going nowhere

Which of the case is in court? Are you even aware that he is being detained without being charged to court as we speak? Your sycophancy is sad bro

TonyeBarcanista:
Perhaps, you don't know how you have shifted from the original subject to commenting on the roles of the player. Perhaps, this may be my last reply to you.

1. First, you claimed that the $2.2billion extra budget for arms was a scam that it was "only" $300m. However, the said $300 million only form a part of the $2.2billion and was repatriated late 2014, while the total sum of the extra-budgetary spending for arms started even before that time.
www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/arms-contracts-payments-endorsed-by-ex-president-jonathan-dasuki/120239.html

This has knocked off your entire argument

2. You claimed that Dasuki didn't mention Dokpesi but Dasuki maintained that all disbursement care ordered by Jonathan(including payment of N10billion to PDP delegates)
https://www.today.ng/news/national/51484/arms-deal-ex-nsa-dasuki-indicts-jonathan-says-he-acted-on-his-instruction

Even Metuh admitted collecting N400million frrom ONSA after doing a "special assignment" for Jonathan.


Thirdly, you have no argument. If you think you do, please, approach the judge.

Fourthly, I have no business to comment whether or not Dasuki really got GEJ's authorisations, that's their own business. They should tell the judge.

You have said nothing new. You just repeated the same stale lines. Dasuki's lawyer has already refuted all the claims from the links you posted as trash. He has said he will tell his story in court. His lawyer said clearly that he didnt mention any names so your link is part of the propaganda I am talking about, you hear?

Metuh did not admit receiving money from arms deal. Metuh said he was giving an assignment. How does that imply he admitted he shared arm deal money of $2.2B? You see how you guys have been spinning your falsehood and propaganda? GEJ has said clearly that there was no $2.2B arms deal signed anywhere. So your propaganda is what it is; propaganda!

freeze001:
Come o! To all intents and purposes, Dokpesi is a business man. He rendered services and got paid for them. If u are a professional rendering services do u inquire into the source of ur professional fees? Did Dokpesi directly operate the accounts of the NSA?

Secondly, u keep saying of the total sum of $2.2billion being investigated, Dasuki cannot be charged for all. How so if the accusers are sure of their claims and figures? Dasuki was NSA and is allegedly responsible for the disbursement of this sum. Explain why he will not be charged for all...did d money not pass through him in its entirety for onward disbursement to those mentioned?

I ask now, what will be the charge against others? Receiving money without querying the source? Who does that? If Dasuki is not charged for all before its distribution to other persons then what will be the basis of charging others seeing as they weren't part of the office of the NSA and did not directly handle the money in question?

Dasuki has already refuted the accusations through his lawyers statement. What other refuting do you expect again? He has said he will present his case in court. Isnt that simple enough to understand? Anything else is just propaganda and media trial

TonyeBarcanista:
I said in my last thread that "there is now an army of career sycophants and prospective sycophant from among the masses(victims) that are ever ready to "defend" the perpetrators of this wicked act."

If his father or paymaster is involved, all he needs to do is to get a good lawyer instead of insulting our collective intelligence.

You are the biggest career sycophant I have ever seen. You are a real jester! Hahahahahahaha

TonyeBarcanista:
Listen... The Office of the NSA under Dasuki misappropriated the $2.2 billion. The NSA is a person within the ONSA. His level of involvement for now does not imply that he diverted the whole. There are other players that got their own through an approval from "above". You can't charge Sambo for stealing the whole.

There is a difference between Office of the NSA and the person of the NSA, just as there is a difference between office of the President and the President.

You are talking in circles. Please make some sense at least. lol

TonyeBarcanista:
Dasuki didn't "give" Dokpesi any money according to him. He said Jonathan told him to "give" Dokpesi money. Dokpesi didn't deny receiving money.

Now, the ONSA don't have tender board, this means no valid contract was awarded. For what purpose was Dokpesi paid? Which contract did he win? If Jonathan really gave "verbal" approval, then you can only charge Dasuki for conspiracy and accessory wrt Dokpesi but the person that authorised it and the recipient will be charged for the theft(or the recipient can be charged for money laundary). If Dokpesi claim that he won contract without tender board, it is also a crime because it is against the Public Procurement Act. Meanwhile, we will like to see the contract(if he so claim).

I doubt if you even understand how prosecution works.

When I said you are not intelligent, you said it was an insult but see now?

First of all Dasuki did not say anywhere that GEJ asked him to give Dopkesi money. That is from the stable of EFCC and APC. Those are the ingredients of propaganda. There is no valid statement from Dasuki so far except for the one released by his lawyer where he denied all the allegations and stated clearly that he has not named anyone as allegded by the EFCC and the media. He has said he will give his own story in court. So you fail woefully

Jonathan cannot give verbal approval for money. That is a cheap propaganda from your kind. Jonathan has said he didnt sign any such $2.2B arms deal yet you keep repeating it as fact, form where, I dont know. Only the courts can finally decide what really transpired on that.

And if Dasuki claim that he got a verbal order to disburse money and carried it out, he will be making a fool of himself because this is not a military regime. This is a democracy. No court will take that as evidence. He will instead be charged with diversion of funds and even theft in this case. You no know book at all

TonyeBarcanista:
Sambo Dasuki has released statement with respect to the subject and never DID he refute the $2.2billion sum in the statement. The second major player, a Director of Finance in the ONSA also didn't refute the total sum. On what basis are you taking your position? Is it not when the suspects refutes that we will ask EFCC and DSS to produce the documentry evidence in their disposal?


PS: I'm not a sycophant like some of you. I can boast anywhere that I have never received any dime from any politician dead or alive. If I'm employed by a politician today, I will only accept if it suits my principle. Stop judging me with your own standard!

Your post says it all! You are indeed a sycophant! And a big one at that! Repeating that he didnt refute your claim is very shallow. It means nothing. Did he also admit it? Nah! Its just cheap propaganda. The same way you have brought out news like Metuh ate papers, Metuh agreed to return N400 million, Dasuki called so many people names, Dopkesi called so many peoples names! All are nothing but cheap propaganda

TonyeBarcanista:
Dasuki has already been charged to court. He is in detention for a different case. He wants to run abroad in the name of bail. The FG however is dishing the meal bit by bit.

Perhaps, you are not aware that Sambo released statement on this issue and NEVER in the statement refuted the $2.2 billion sum.

Again, save your epistle for the judge.

Which judge? The one DSS and EFCC are avoiding and flauting their orders? Hahaha

He doesnt have to or need to refute anything. He said take me to court and Nigerians will hear the whole truth. Your propaganda is meaningless and weak. It is EFCC that is avoiding the courts not Dasuki. You tell that to the judge when you decide to finally go to court.

TonyeBarcanista:
Can't you read? He is GUILTY of corruption but can't be charged for looting the whole money. Those that participated will also be charged alongside. The FG has decided to prosecute them independently. This is common sense. Dasuki can be charged as conspirator to what goes to Dokpesi but he can't be charge for stealing what goes to Dokpesi. Dokpesi will be charged for that.

You have been employing insult and name calling to backup your claim. Honestly, this is a testament that you have weak argument.

If Dasuki and the DFA didn't refute the $2.2billion, I wonder what you base your premise on. Perhaps, a paymaster of yours is involved... Anyway, save that for the judge

You have nothing to say my friend. If I call you a sycophant, it is not an insult. It is a compliment

You just repeated the same nonsense you posted before (and nonsense is not an insult. It means something doesnt make sense). If Dasuki gave Dopkesi monies that he should not have giving him in the first place, Dasuki will be guilty of fraud, not just conspiracy. That is diversion of funds. That is misappropriation! You do not even need a Dopkesi to prosecute him for that! You dey fall hand bro

TonyeBarcanista:
Sambo Dasuki is alive and not dead. He is yet to refute the said $2.2billion. What is your own inside? Were you paid peanut by the indictee? Whether or not EFCC(under PDP) looted more does not nullify the subject at hand. Even if a percentage of the sum was used for arms, it still doesn't invalidate the subject. They should explain to the investigators and the judge.

He is yet to refute? What nonsense is that? Has he accepted too? What kind of refuting do you want him to do? He should call a world press conference or give a SOTU speech to refute it? The man has said take me to court and I will give my case. But the tyrant has kept him incacerated and away from the public and you are here trying to push falsehood? Very shameful my friend

TonyeBarcanista:
Comprehension is indeed an issue here. Sambo Dasuki's office as NSA(ONSA) was given $2.2billion to purchase arms. The money was "diverted" to purpose other than arms purchase. The whole money didn't end up in Dasuki account alone, some other people participated. How can you then charge Dasuki for the whole $2.2billion? This is a straightforward thing. You can only charge Sambo for stealing whatever is traced too him, and perhaps as conspirator and accestory in what went to others.

Hence, this.....

""Secondly, you can't charge Dasuki for "stealing" or diverting $2.2billion when you are yet to establish that he diverted/stole all the monies on his own.""

In addition to being a sycophant for Buhari, you are really not that intelligent. Just read your own post again. If the $2.2B money was diverted to purpose other than arms purchase then Dasuki is certainly guilty of corruption of the whole sum, not just the one he used to buy things for himself. Isnt he the one who disbured it? Or someone else was in charge of the money who now debursed Dasuki's own share to him? You are terribly confused! You dey fall hand no be small. Shameful!

TonyeBarcanista:
I don't get your point. You can't charge Dasuki for looting the whole $2.2billion except you can establish that he on his own diverted the entire money. However, there are people involved that will share part in the prosecution. Also be aware that the FG is charging Sambo in bits.

Secondly, if neither Sambo Dasuki nor the Director of finance denied the $2.2billion, what exactly are you harping your argument on?

Thirdly, the investigators has said they have documents, this the people in the center didn't dispute. I don't know why again you are disputing.

Fouthly, Dokpesi has already been charged to court, he's on bail. He will explain to the judge. Bail is not freedom

Fifthly, there is nothing like media trial. I am not aware of any. The media only report events.

Where and when did Dasuki admit the $2.2B. Again, you like to throw all this fake propaganda about like fact. Dasuki has not had any chance to even come to the public to defend himself and has said clearly that he will only speak in court. But the goverment has tried to keep him out of circulation by continous incaceration. So keep your propaganda to yourself. If the investigators have valid documents, they will be very willing to go through the courts and not resort to a media campaign. Let them go to court and stop all this disrespect for the law and the constitution

TonyeBarcanista:
Thank you!

The $2.2 billion is the subtotal amount for extra-budgeted money for arms deal. So far, neither Dasuki nor the DFA ONSA has refuted the $2.2billion. They are the major players. Remember that the money didn't come in a whole block.

Secondly, you can't charge Dasuki for "stealing" or diverting $2.2billion when you are yet to establish that he diverted/stole all the monies on his own. He will be only charged for whatever is connected to him and he's being charged in batches. Also remember that there are other players that will share in the prosecution. The bafarawas, Dokpesis, Haliru etc.

You keep defeating yourself in your own posts! Hear yourself:

"Secondly, you can't charge Dasuki for "stealing" or diverting $2.2billion when you are yet to establish that he diverted/stole all the monies on his own."

How can you say he diverted money at all if you dont know how he diverted it? Arent you confused? That means you arrested a man, claimed he is a thief and you are now trying to find out what and how he stole? Thank you for defeating your own arguments. You just made it very clear it is all propaganda and media trial!!!

Goke7:
I will not condemn but rather asked if you or anyone close to you was a victim of the insurgency, will you ever come out with a piece like this? I think we should careful when we try to confuse our personal opinions or experience in discussing very sensitive national matters, GEJ is not that hated as you and your fellow admirers think but the way and and manner you guys confuse very sensitive national matters with how you will feel personally over issues requires some restraint.

You guys have forgotten that it was when PMB set up a panel to probe whether monies budgeted to spent on arms to fight insurgency was used judiciously that all the revelations we have been hearing emerged, we are talking serious matters here and you are trying to be technical by saying that they were security votes, if its security votes, how come falae, dokpesi, obaigbena that are not security contractors benefited from the funds.

Please for once be sympathetic to the plight of the victims of the insurgency and don't let your hatred for PMB and love for GEJ make you a human being without feelings to the down trodden. Thanks and God bless

Please think well before you share your ignorance in public.

1. The panel he setup had not even concluded their report before the DSS and EFCC started using the so called findings for their propaganda
2. Your spew of sentiments is the exact propaganda line that has been used to peddle falsehood. Using the sentiments of insurgency to push the false narrative is nauseating. Didnt you and your ilks applaud when SA seized about $9.3 million that was supposed to be used to purchase arms for the fight? Even Buhari and the APC leadership advised SA to keep the money. Now you claim you care for the victims of insurgency? Such hypocrisy! You and your kind did everything you could to undermine the fight against insurgency so you have no moral right to come here and preach with blood stained hands.

And stop using God's name when you do your propaganda and falsehood. Its shameful!

maverickboy:
Bro, seriously I don't know why you are fighting for these crooks.
The money under NSO

Please leave that propaganda line. I wont fall for it. Nobody is a crook until a court says so. As soon as the court pronounces them as crooks, I will come back here and call them that, you can trust me on that. Until then, I will not call someone a crook because Buhari or the EFCC say they are. On a more general level, I can refer to Nigerian politicians as crooks because we all know that there is corruption in the system. But using that as an alibi to label anyone as corrupt so you can go after them or keep them shut is nothing but tyrany. That is anti democratic and I will never support that.

TonyeBarcanista:
Oga forget what GEJ said in USA. There are document with DSS and EFCC. Sambo Dasuki, the main at the center insisted that GEJ approved the $2.2billion for arms. What Iwaela said was that she wasn't part of the entire $2.2billion extra budgetary arms deal, she said she was only involved in the committee that allocated $300million Abacha fund to Dasuki. The $300million isn't exclusive of the $2.2billion, it forms part. Jonathan on his own said he didn't approve $2.2billion "at once", and nobody said it was approved "at once". GEJ is yet to deny approving it. Beside, there are documents and authorisations.


Again, it is no scam. Dokpesi and co should save their sermon for the judge.

There are no documents anywhere to show such propaganda. It is what it is, cheap propaganda! If there are documents to prove such claims

1. The EFCC will be very willing to go through the whole process legally and not resort to their media trial and gestapo style prosecution
2. The charges brought against Dasuki in court would have reflected that. Total charges brought against Dasuki in court is less than N50 billion. $2.1B is not N50B my friend, except you attended night school like I suspect!

And Dopkesi has already said he should be charged to court. The only people actually shying away from the courts is the government, not the accused. Metuh has said to them, lets go to court. But EFCC is keeping him and bringing out one propaganda after another of how he ate papers and how he called people's names. Such a sham!

maverickboy:
No! It's not about sentiment. It's about how it should be. Security vote, money is release to head of governance out of trust that it would be used for something appropriate.

Like I said in another post, I dont even support the security vote idea. But that is what the law is for now and I dont see the Buhari government trying to change it so I guess they too are benefitting from it

rolchi:
Point...In other words, it is 'black' budget!

Well if that is what you call it. I actually dont support the security vote idea the way it is run in Nigeria. It gives room for corruption but that is what the law is right now and you can see that even the Buhari government isnt willing to change it because they too will use it to their advantage

Abagworo:
Don't let any wounded soldier catch you saythis nonsense in real life. If justice against these thieves is not achieved to pacify our angered soldiers, they will surely deal with these wicked men ruthlessly.

You are talking nonsense my friend. That is nothing but a propaganda line. When GEJ went to see the soldiers in Baga before the elections, they were very excited to see him. The lastest video currently flying around on social media shows how the current government has been treating our soldiers in the front lines like rags. Even the ones that died fighting for the country were treated like trash and buried without honour. So forget your fake propaganda. It wont fly!

TonyeBarcanista:
No Sir! The $2.2 billion wasn't for "security vote" as you claim. It was an extra-budgetary amount that the FG set aside for arms purchase. It is different from the $1billion that the FG borrowed in 2014 for same purpose and other budgeted expenses.


The so-called $300million returned Abacha loot forms part of the $2.2 billion extra budgeted for arms purchase. They aren't for "Security vote". Even the authorisation by Jonathan said arms purchase. Sambo Dasuki didn't deny that. In fact, he said that Jonathan approved the $2.2billion for the purpose.


N/B: The arms purchase $2.2billion is different from the appropriated monies by the NASS. Allow the people invoved to defend themselves.


It isn't propaganda Sir!

There is no such $2.2 billion and that is why GEJ came out in November to deny it outrightly. Neither GEJ nor Dasuki have admitted anything like that. You are seriously feeding from Lie Mohammed's pot there! GEJ has denied any such authorization and NOI said the same thing! You shouldnt bother arguing along that line. You will lose. You should ask yourself why the EFCC is unwilling to pursue the case legally but is resorting to all kinds of tactics to keep Dasuki for long periods of incaceration. All the monies that have been mentioned to have been collected by different individuals, including Dopkesi are monies from the NSA's office, not arms purchase money

maverickboy:
Even to sponsor terrorism?

Allocations are meant to execute worthwhile projects and not anything as you said. How is it possible for such amount to be used for just anything.

That is the position of the law. Your sentiments dont count. If anyone thinks it isnt right, then they should canvass that the law be changed. Even state governors have security votes and they can use it for about anything. Of course anything doesnt mean anything evil but any kind of project that is considered as something that will promote the security of the state or country as the case may be

maverickboy:
well analysed writeup there! but this raises one or two questions and those are:

Where does the money that was distributed to those people that have been mentioned so far comes from?

Or no money was ever distributed to anybody and the names being mentioned is part of the propaganda?

But mind you, not one of those people, despite realising the implications of the scandal on their political career denied to have collected money from the last administration.

Please read my post again. The monies being mentioned are monies from the allocation to the office of the National Security Adviser (NSA) throughout his tenure. They come under SECURITY VOTES. They are not money for arms purchase. And under security votes, they can be used for practically anything

Please note that I personally do not support the security vote law and would want it changed but that is what the law is for now and even the Buhari administration is taking advantage of it as we speak

denko:
Buhari cannot tell us the source of the money the onus is on the govt to prove the money actually belong the govt.

There is no such money for arms deal. It isnt about whether the money belongs to government or not. What they did was to calculate all the money that passed through the NSA's office for his tenure and come out to say it is money for arms. It was a well crafted lie (though not so well crafted for those who ask simple questions). The only money that was recommended for arms was the $300 million returned Abacha loot which NOI clearly explained. The rest are just lies and propaganda

cfame1:
I wish I can share this on my twiter timeline.......well articulated and and straight to the point..JJ omojuwa would not want to see this.

You can just copy the title and web link up and paste to your Twitter to share.

rolchi:
God bless you for this!

However, Nigerians will soon condemn you without thinking through with you. Lets wait until the court processes are exhausted.

A very good day to you.

Nigerians will not condemn me. The APC zombies and paid hacks on NL are not a representation of Nigerians. They are just rice eaten sycophants trying to survive.

mccoy47:
So who is lying?

Buhari and the APC are the ones lying. There is nothing like a $2.1 billion arms money. It is all propaganda to distract everyone

You can read all about it here

https://www.nairaland.com/2862189/2.1-billion-arms-money-biggest

Bolashodun:
Imagine you or any of your love one are among those that were killed by the terrorist which is avoidable if the money shared by Dasuki and co were used judiciously. How will you fill? Imagine your parents in IDP camp because of greed of some people. Be reasonable. They are crying to Judiciary because they know damage they have done to the system will favour them.

Who told you it is because of security vote money that people are in IDP or soldiers were killed? That is nonsense propaganda