But funny enough even shown throughout the bible, those who really love God and belong to him suffer more. E.g. Job, David

Remember heaven is the promised destination and earthly troubles will eventually be taken away and if you compare heaven to our earthly troubles, they will be so worth it!

Revelation 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

stingersmi:

Amen!
,
Ya, but suffering also makes us deviate from does plans.
No be poverty dey make person steal crayfish?
y?

True. However stealing that crayfish can also be an expirience! People testify over many things, i also used to be a theif because i felt nobody understood me. However i recovered from that with the help of God and it has become an expirience in my life that i was never go back and will not encourage anyone to start with! Now if i meet a child who has started with the same problem and says "nobody understands me" i will be able to help him/her as i have been through the same or a similar expirience!

There are many reasons why God can allow you to go through trials.

1.) It could be a learning expirience - eg. If Gods plan for your life is to become a comfortor, how will you know how to comfort people if you have never needed comfort?
2.) It could be as a result of your own doings - eg. having unprotected sex leads to unwanted pregnancy.
3.) It could be just to make you stronger - eg. A person who has suffered rejection after rejection will not be fazed by another rejection

One thing i have learned about God is that, as much as he is moved my our emotions. If somebody is praying to God for healing in SEPTEMBER 2007 and they are suffering, crying most nights and God has already planned that they are going to be healed in SEPTEMBER 2008, during that time it will feel like God isn't really there, but really he has already planned your healing!

Personally i think God has a plan for everybodys life and the things we expirience in life have deeper meaning to what we think. Even if you don't believe God has a plan still try and turn your struggles into positive things and just know that every tear you cry, every heavy heart you feel is an expirience!

If there was no Christianity, there wouldn't be a world!

Yes, a believer/Christian can suffer from a mental illness. If you look into what causes mental illness it is usually an imbalance of chemicals in the brain. There is no real cure for mental illness, just Gods healing hand and coping mechanisms. Prayer and action are the key to dealing with a mental illness. For example if ocd is the mental illness that is being suffered and you feel the need to wipe every door handle before you enter a room, try to not do this once before entering a room, also praying that God will give you the strength to fight the anxietys and heal you.

Grouppoint:

Jesus said: 'You faithless and perverse generation, how much longer must I be with you and bear with you.

What book and verse is this in?

chillbabe:

@ softee

Yipeeeeeeeeee we have a new drugbaby this week it's in icu now and when the baby is well enough to leave the hospital socialservice will take the baby and that baby will stay under the care off them till he is eightheen and put him on the street cause that"s the way the system works.And u know what that boy will use drugs cause he doesn't know nothing else.Or he will be a love-vendor making woman sell there body for him and if hey don't make enough beat the hell out off them.It's only 5% off these drugbaby"s will have a good life.I don't think it"s worthed to do this to children.And believe me i know what i am talking about cause am around them everyday.

Well if  that 5% could have a decent life, is that not better then killing them. Also, 5% may seem small in percentage (even though not accurate) but lets say 100,000 drug babies are born a month throughout the world about  5,000 will have a good/decent life. Is that not worth it?

Believe me, i do understand where you are coming from, obviously you work with them, which is a beautiful job, so you know miles more than me about what they suffer but remember even if it is low, they have hope in their lives, as it has been proven by survivors.

shahan:

Uhm. . . something like this - ?

Anyways, it's only a matter of perspective, and I deliberately used "antagonistic" to share my point earlier about how "debating/debate(s)" may be used in several contexts than one - either positively or negatively!

However, I didn't see your reply to the verses I offered you??

To be honest shahan right now i can't be bothered to go through those verses, i will later on though.

antagonistic
adjective
Acting against or in opposition:
adversarial, adverse, antipathetic, opposed, opposing, oppositional.

What part of me was acting this way towards Seun. I got nothing but love for him and would love to help him.  

Good day.

Seun:

How would you react if a friend you that a cartoon character is her greatest comfort, best friend and love in life?

Its good you say this.

My dear Followers of Christ. This is a perfect example of what you should not reply to. When Seun finally wants to admit hes lost, as many of us has been. Maybe then it will be appropriate to reply to him.

Its torture! me without Christ.

Fair Enuff. But what if i tell you Christ is my Comfort, My best friend, My love. Would you try and brainwash me and take away my biggest love?

Like i said your expiriences is not every mans expiriences.

Seun:

And am I, the humble admin, one of those "antichrists"?

No, I am not. I'm merely a messenger to all Christians, beseeching them to reactivate their brains and be free!

Please seun, If you got lost on your journey what makes you think other Christians should give up on theirs. Your expiriences are not another mans expiriences so you are not qualified to tell anyone that.

I feel i am being misunderstood.

If a person ASKS about christianity sincerly wanting to clarify, gain knowledge, clear confusion etc etc, i do not see a problem preching or conversating with them about Christ.

However on Nairaland. I see an ongoing trend of people starting threads in the hopes to see Christians arguing amoung themseleves and Christians arguing with Muslims. Or even out of ignorance to mock the Christians and we stupidly try and argue a case with them, when we know that they can never hear or understand The Word as they are blind and then our selfish desires for being right kicks in and we forget the power of the Holy Spirit. What this shows God is that we don't trust in him because we do not have to argue a case for God. Do you really think God intended it to be like this? His people arguing amoung themselves in order to be right? Or is this satans plan? Ruining the reputation of Christians.

However their are people who judge Christians by streotypes and have been misled (In my time of being a Christians i have corrected quite a few of these). There is nothing wrong with correcting them. However, It is pointless presenting the same aguments towards people who don't give a damn and want to mock Christ. There is more Anti-Christs in this world then we think there are.

goodguy:

Examples of such informative/educative debates:

* "Should Women Preach?"
* "Christians: Does God's Word Allow Divorce or Not?"
* "Is Elijah John The Baptist?"

These are just a few among many others. You'll see that on topics like these, people argue and argue, but at the end of the day, we all gain something.

Hope you get my point.

goodguy,

I do understand what you are saying but these topics are more like discussions about Gods word. However topics like:

60 Questions for the christians
101 Contradictions in the bible etc etc

Do not need to be responded to. If they don't want to believe then thats their problem, all they want to do is spread ignorance.

We shouldn't even reply to these kind of people. Some Christians have that fire burning in them that they feel so passionate about Christ, as i did, that would make you fight (using words) hand and foot to put The Word across. But what we are forgetting, it is only through the Holy Spirit.

A debate is never Informative. If a Debate is informative, it is a discussion rather. Debates are hurtful and lead nowhere. Even some discussions are pointless. For example the user IslamPride has islam pride! he is convinced his religion is true, but this wont stop him asking the christians questions that he already has the answer to, mocking the 'worshippers of the Messiah'.

You may think it is very hypocritical of me to say this as i have done this quite a lot. However i stopped when Christ layed it on my heart to do so. I haven't debated or wrote one religious comment since last year august.

CHRISTIANS

Christ said himself that the world hated him first. It is unlikely that us arguing and trying to put his word across to unbelievers who don't want to hear, but mock the word is going to change their opinion. I don't think there is anything wrong with informing a nonbeliever or reasurring someone of course, but debating is a problem that Christ himself said don't do. It is only through the power of the Holy Spirit that a non-beliver can be transformed and we all need to trust the Holy Spirit.

You see what makes us differen't is that we have the gift of the Holy Spirit so we do not need to take part in Religious Debating. We serve a powerful God, A God of Concequences and A God of Love.

Remember whoever will perish will perish.

Satan is moving and has blinded the eyes of Men.

Excuseeeeeeeee You!

You said it like wives are children. A wife is an adult like you, the same way she annoys you, you annoy her. Such is life!

No man has the right to hit his wife and if he does hes a coward and can't face someone his on gender to beat on.

I would give it up for adoption to a loving family without taking a single glance at the child. But yes i do agree that it is easier said when you have never expirienced such creulty. However i do believe that would be the correct thing to do.

No matter what you go through in it. Life is much too precious to miss out on.

gaby:


@SOFTEE

Thanks for your sweet lovely easier than said talk, were you there when she was going through all what she had to go through in life in the name of your hope or whatever, please lets be real , do you know how many like her are on the streets as we are talking right now with no hope according to you, how many have you picked up from the streets on your way home from work because you are hopeful, this is one thing about Nigerians you read too much more than what you are taught, the white man wont tell you anything about hope even though he taught you the word `HOPE`but you always take word from what they mean on the surface, but you fail to remember that the word hope might mean in this context that you are not supposed to give yourself room to be in a position to be waiting on the word HOPE according to you because you must have had all opportunity to have avoided been in this position of waiting on hope and giving your child the name HOPE, hope you got my drift,

You are missing the point. It does not matter what the person went through all that matters is that they are well now. We all go through situations, illnessess, whatever it may be to make us who we are in life. Drug-babies have the right to live just as anybody else has. Some drug-babies may recover, some may not, however that does not mean they should be killed off. They should be given a chance in life just as anybody else.

chillbabe:

After reading all the reply's i want to put my comment.I work with drug-addict's so i know what am talking about am for abortion cause it's a private decision u can't tell a woman what to do with her body.

Why i'm bringing drug-addicts into this topic is because i see that even if they're pregnant they still use drugs.Has any one of u taken care of a drug baby before, well let me tell u it's a horrible work those children will suffer for life so if one of my clients is pregnant i wont force her but i will give her that option cause that child didn't ask to come to this world to suffer.

I disagree totally. When a woman conceives, her body is no longer hers. It is the babys, afterall the baby did not ask to be concieved. I have seen a lot of programmes on drug-babies and i have seen the harsh reality of life but may i remind you that even mothers that are not on drugs have sick babies. IT IS LIFE. Abortion cannot be justified FULL STOP!!

PS. I live in london and right now they are showing american idol. One of the singers was a drug baby and she looks pretty good to me with a beautiful voice. Its called HOPE my dear, with hope anybody can get through anything. Abortion is murder, an easy way out!

Sorry Guys i never had a chance to reply to you as my computer broke . Thanks for your help!

Ps. Do you use msn? @ bamdil

Somebody Teach Me Yoruba Please!

Damest09:

@ softee

I see you don't like some of the comments made. When i joined this forum, i read the religious part almost at the time but something happened that i don't like and i don't know what to do, i was so confused that i asked questions in the church. I was advised that i should not come to this forum or stay away from the religious side and that once i read the replies or reply to the post I'm partaking in the mockery of our lord. They quote a bible verse for me and obviously i can't remember but it has something to do with 'don't walk in the counsel of the ungodly'. Maybe it might be a good ideal if you do the samething. You don't have to fight 4 God, he can fight for himself. Just avoid anything that has to do with sin. The end time is nigh. Remain blessed.

@everyone

The message is strictly for the christians, so don't quote me, insult or question me.

Thank you dear. I no i am a fool for replying to some of these people. It hurt me real bad that they choose a pedophile over Jesus, after all he done for us. I was deeply hurt and angered but i have calmed down. Its not like God hasn't old me this before i just was disobedient and didn't listen. God bless you + Thank you very much for reciveing Gods words and telling me them. This is my last post defending God. They will see.

OlaAjia:

My dear Mukina, You nave tried your best, and Allah sees you heart. May He bless you and elevate you to better positions. But I'll advise you sister, leave the hypocrites to dwell in their hypocrisy. The more you pay attention to their stupidity, the more they increase in their hypocrisy. Yours is to admonish, and theirs is to accept your admonition. If they however fail to do so, then with Allah lies the Yawmul-Qiyam, where no one shall go un-tried. Blessings to you sister!

@You Softee, Babyosisi et al,

If you so wish, count yourself as amongst the hated, that's your own cup of tea. Let me make something clear to you all, you commit idolatry by worshiping a man, and by ascribing partners to God, so Muslims certainly hate what you do, and there's nothing to hide about that. Take it or leave it, but I have to cut with a sharp sword, You are hypocrites!!!

How dare you call me a hypocrite.

Do you live my life?
Do you walk in my shoes?
Have you seen what i have seen?
Have you been through what i have been through?

So do not call me a hypocrite unless you are God. There is even no point of me even telling you that Jesus was not a man because your ignorance has blinded you. However i will TELL you this. At least my role model is not a pedophile, womanizer, rapist and a murderer. Im so glad to have Jesus he is perfect, UNLIKE THAT FALSE pedophile you call a prophet.

I am a fool for even replying to you. God help us, to help me deal with people like YOU.

Seun:

God cannot wake up one day and say he has changed and is no longer wicked.

Afterall he is the unchanging God. An unchanging God will remain as wicked today as he was in the past.

He is not wicked. He destroyed WICKED.

Seun:

Tell that to the judge next time God asks you to kill someone on his behalf!

God will NEVER.

Have you read pslam? The only thing God done for this man was allow him not to be killed himself. God is forgiving but he is also a God of concequences. If you deserve punishment, God is not going to stop it just because you have him. Because you pay for your sins. However Because of Jesus they get forgiven - What a wonderful blessing.

I don't really know about Moses that much but it would help if you put verses of when moses did not save the slaves because they wasn't a jews. Even so, why should God save those who he will save and they will just worship idols even when they have seen his Glory.

If we want to compare religions now. Yes God destroyed people but after he did, he showed his love for us by sending his son down. But nooooooo 'Allah' still wants muslims to kill me and YOU.

Don't you get it? Not all whom God kills are DEAD. They are dead in flesh but not in spirit. For all you know, right now they can be rejoicing in heaven.