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Reverend:
The bible is a book of contradictions. How can it not be after two thousand years of being tampered with?

Everybody has there own interpretations. The only part of the bible that is pretty clear are the ten commandments!

I'm glad you have said this. It just shows how little you know about Christianity. SAY IF the Bible was full of contradictions and its been tampered with and its basically lost its meaning (SAY IF) and according to you the ten commandments is the only thing that has stayed. The ten commandments sums up the WHOLE bible. there is not one rule in the bible that hasn't got a link with the ten commandments. So wether the bible has been polluted or not (which it hasn't) Christianity will always stand up tall and keep its spark (Holy spirit) with whatever you jokers have to say about our FAITH

nawah:
It must have been annoying and painful for you to read some of the replies here. Don´t let it bother you. A girl that just wants to sleep around does not think of babies.
I understand exactly how you feel but try and make the most of you life now. The older you get the faster time flys. At the right time the babies will come and it will be a wonderful experience.
Think about it , you would alsö want your kid to be properly educated, so start by setting an example.

Yeah you are very right. Thanks

prince_onx:
Maybe I'm from a different planet but is this girl (15yrs old) really talking about a human being? real baby with live in it? or is she talking about a toy baby? girls her age where I'm from are trying to see what life and future have in store for them not babies!

Yeah im talking about a human being, a real life, a blessing from God. Girls my age have all sort of issues, unfortuantly this is mine but it looks like im getting it on lock!

kimba:
@softee,

is this the kind of baby you want,

and what the hell is a butterfly doing on that baby's ass, holahola

No this is a white baby, i am black so no. The butterfly on this baby's bum is simply just art. Beautiful isn't it!

roses:
you are welcome softee. I can read a high level of maturity in your post. I refuse to agree with those who say that a 15 year old is not mature, some 12 year olds are more mature than some 30 year olds, at a point in my life, I was just thinking about marriage. I was only 18 then. today I bow my knee and thank God , that he didn't grant my desire to get married . sometimes, singles think marriage is all about romance , but there is a lot involved. it requires commitment/hardwork. I believe there is a reason for everything. that is why by God's grace, I find it hard to judge people. thankyou for sharing your need .
, I quote,

"because i have had quite a hard time in teen-hood ( i like to call it) that i was forced into maturing. I still believe there is nothing for me being a teenager"


I am sorry to hear that you had a hard teen-hood. but I would encourage you to hold on. God has a reason why you passed through those hard times, sometimes God allows his children to go through hard times, first to build character, and 2nd so that we can be a source of encouragement to others in that situation,also so we can depend on him. I would encourage to see the best in your situation . even though you may feel there is nothing for you being a teenager, I want to tell you God says , there is something for you as a teenager. God has made life in stages. I believe this is your stage for development in emotionally, physically, etc. but once again I must confess I appreciate the maturity in your post. I want to encourage you to seek God's face, ask him to show you , his purpose and plan 4 you. ask yourself , " why am I a teenager" , how can i maximize my potential. also remember there are many married folks /mothers who wish they are still single /not yet mothers. I have a friend who got into an ungodly relationship, she got pregnant, and the boy abandoned her, she is left alone to care for the child. she was really sad, the guilt she feels, she says to me"roses, plz save yourself for marriage" , she tells me its very hard being a baby mama. one day the child would soon be asking , "where is my daddy". may God never let you get into that situation in Jesus name Amen. I would recommend that you find a support group. teenagers need lots of support. follow positive people, develop yourself so that you would be the best mama to your future son. I believe you've got great potiential , don't let that dream die, hold on, and God would see you through. God bless you. I also pray that you would get into godly relationships, that God would bring mentors into your life who would believe in you, encourage you and help you reach your destiny. God bless you richly.and may God give you the strength to stay pure to marriage, I congratulate you for taking a stand, even in this polluted world.

Thanks roses. This has to be the best advice i have recieved. I know i have a purpose and i am ready to fulfill it. I'm almost leaving school soon and i'm going to college and i'm going to make the best of it. Being a Christian makes life worth living, with all the temptation and evil out on the streets of london. Your advice is really positive, thanks. We thank God for your life! (I luv my fellow christians )

Thank you EVERYONE for your advice. It is trully apprechiated!

I love my Mum. My father had never really been around. Only seen him a couple of times so for me i love my Mum most.

Wimps, Stupid, Morons. That have nothing better to do. They are not real Men.

Awwwww!!

omoge02863:
You see

Its dumbass teenagers like Christan , that make teenagers like me look stupid

When you say stuff like that u mess up images of other teenagers. instead of ya'll to be thinking bout education your thinking bout sex and babies. u better keep tell him to keep his d1ck in his pants.and u keep your legs closed. (think of stds)

Well for all the nairaland aunties and uncles

I am 15 and i don't want no baby for now. i will start thinking of that when i get my sh1t together


But like i always say , do u and let me know the results.
(sorry if anybody is offended)

I am offended. First of all my name is not Christian, i am a Christian. Secondly, thank you for expressing yourself, im sure nairaland's aunties and uncles know that you do not share this problem with me, that is why im talking on behalf of myself not me AND you, please tell me, where did you see YOURSELF in MY problem, i rest my case. But thank you very much for your advice though. My legs are closed and staying closed until i am married.

roses:
I'm glad you mentioned you are a christian. I want to let you know that God has a plan for your life. I believe he would grant you your heart desire if you seek him dilligently. sometimes God wants us to wait a little bit. we are accountable for the decisions we make . we would have to face the consequences of whatever actions we take. honey I believe the time isn't right for you. You are young , I believe beautiful, I would encourage you to focus on your career. right now you may think you are mature enough to handle raising a child but 5-10 years time , you may look back and say "what was I thinking" . but even if you are mature as you sound , think about the future of the child. you don't want to bring a child into this world , and weep daily because you aren't able to support him financially or you have to overwork just to make ends meets thereby spending little time with that child. there are many fatherless kids out there, children are a gift from God . I believe they deserve our best. I believe if you bring a kid into this world , he's not going to get the best considering your present circumstances. also think about this , do you want to be a baby mama, when your friends are doctors, lawyers, hanging out, having fun, having stable homes. I believe you want to be a role models to other young folks. whew let me stop here anyway I believe a baby is not best for you now, but like others said you may babysit the one-year old more often , or find tiime to hang out more with kids. you can learn a lot which you would impact in you kid's life in the future. I shall pray for you. remember
serve the creator in the days of your youth, enjoy being a teenager, enjoy having to go out without thinking " oh my son is sick " or this and that. honey enjoy service for God because a time would come when u got to focus on family.
let me know what happens
cheers.

Thank you very much for this advice. It is trully well apprechiated. God bless you!

As for those who claim i am in want of sex, you guys are jokers. I do not want sex. A baby interests me more. But Jesus Interests me MOST so big thank you and God bless to everyone who gave appropriate advice!

I belive God gave me this motherly ability for a reason. Not to have a baby young, but in the future when im married. The problem is that i'm craving babies now! I believe one of reasons for me wanting a baby so much is because i have had quite a hard time in teen-hood ( i like to call it) that i was forced into maturing. I still belive there is nothing for me being a teenager. I just want to be an adult, get married and have children, but the baby part is what im craving most. I mean i guess i can't really moan because i haven't done any real prayer regarding this issue. Maybe its because i don't want the craving to go away or else i won't really have a dream!

enolase:
A punishment from God?

Then what about Arthur Ashe, the only black tennis player (we used to see on Sesame Street) to win Wimbledon, who got it through a blood transfusion? Also actor Lynden David Hall (the monster in the Predator films)

What about the numerous haemophiliacs who got it through blood transfusions?

Or the numerous girls who are raped by HIV positive men and get infected as a result?

Or the unfortunate babies born to seropositive mums?

Come off it! The disease is not a punishment from God.

There IS a possibility that HIV/AIDS is a punishment from God. God punished pharoah, he killed his son and he made the plaque happen. God is still a good God. All those poor innocent children who die from AIDS. Nobody knows were they go, they might be playing in heaven with God for all we know! So don't be too sure that it is not a punishment from God.

gbade. x,

I agree!

But one thing i just do not get is that if muslims are claiming Jesus prophesied islam, and the islam religion belive Jesus was a prophet, and God detest liars, why would Jesus say he is the son of God, then preach a religion that believe he is a prophet. Somehow this does not make sense to me. Jesus did[b] NOT[/b] teach islam, he did not teach you guys to fight in the name of allah those who fight you, no no no he did not. He taught love to EVERYONE of every race, gender, religion but to help them know God in kindness. I do not need scriptures that i have turned around to benefit me to back up my point because unlike you, the proof is inside my heart.

God bless

We thank God for your life layi! He has BIG

layi:
In what ways? I can't put down lots of texts here so i need guidance.

Its empty. Its just a religion with no life/power. Christianity is a way of life not a religion of fanatics. I fellowship with the holy spirit and its made more diff than i had all my life in islam.

We thank God for your life layi! He has BIG plans in store for you

By the way, i have read parts of the koran

Aids/HIV is mostly a concequence of ones actions. Sometimes God can use it to punish somebody it just all depends on whatever his plan is. God did say not to fornicate and people did so as a result of that, all these diseases have been created so we can also blame ourselves as man. I mean we can argue about this all day long but we will trully never know until we get that chance to ask him.

SIBLI_06:
It's normal for some teenage girls to want babies, even as young as 15. It's your maternal instinct.

If you have any relatives or friends with children, I suggest helping out with that. It will satisfy some of your baby cravings, and help you to see how big the responsibility of caring for a child is.

I babysit a 1 year old boy, sometimes hes a pleasure to have other times hes not. This just makes me want a baby even more!

Well, It may be the start of something new!

God Bless

LOL
I doubt very much the purpose is to discover nairaland!

When you have a child that steals i think it is important to talk to that child, no shouting or anger, just talking so you can get the reason out why the child is doing and work on ways to stop it. If the child continues to steal. I think it is nessesary to call the police on the child to scare them out of it or do something else drastic.

I'm 15 but when i was about 13 i started stealing from stores and supermarkets with a friend. It went on for about 6 months, along with skipping school. When my mum finally found out by forcing it out of me, being a Nigerian parent she beat me! which only made matters worse and made me keep my stealing secret from her. One day feeling stupid i got into a fight with a woman and got arrested and had to give fingerprints, DNA, and had to attend court. At this point i started to see light that the police are not joking and they will mess up your file. Luckily the judge had pity on me and put me on a bound-over for 6 months then they agreed to rip up my file of common assualt. Believe it or not after all this was over, i carried on stealing! but the stealing got less and less and eventually i just stopped.

Young people need reality to shock them out of bad behaviour. There is a time in our life when we are stressed and we feel that being bad is the only joy we can get seeing as we are young and we won't get the full blame. Sitting in that police station for a few hours made me realise how serious it was. I felt like a criminal!

Prayer also helped me get over my stealing addiction (Another thing you have got to remember is that it is an addiction, just like drugs). if you pray over this child God will not ignore your pleas unless it is part of his plan. Remember we only see the smaller picture, He sees the bigger.

cheekee:
are you ready to have this baby??i mean financially dependant and all that?? i think you better think of building you future than thinking of becoming a baby machine so early, just enjoy your youth cause i promise if you run into motherhood so fast one day your gonn wish you didn't!!think about it
it will cost ya alot you know,lots of risk!!

I feel im ready emotionally. Financially i can't look after a baby, No.

And You Too!!

Seun:
Are you male and female? What is it about a baby that you love?

I'm female and i have always loved babies, even the crying and the things people hate about babies. I want to become a midwife in the future. I don't know i like to think of it as a blessing. But its a problem at 15.

choice.A:
Softee,

As Christians, it's better to be on safe grounds by stating the rubrics of our faith as clearly as the Word of God shows us. By stating that "Jesus had God's spirit in Him", you're making a non-committal statement that could be easily taken out of context to mean just anything a non-Christian wants it to mean. While I would not attempt to force my theology on anyone, perhaps it might help to see the uniqueness of Jesus Christ in contrast to other prophets.

1. "Jesus Had God's Spirit in Him" Does Not Confirm His Deity

When Jesus asked His disciples, "Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?", among their responses was that some people thought Jesus was one of the prophets_{Matt.16:13-14}. One characteristic of the prophets and chosen servants was that they had God's Spirit in them: as Bezaleel (Exo.31:2-3); Moses and the seventy elders (Num.11:25), David (I Sam.16:13), and Ezekiel (Ezek.2:2). If the uniqueness of Jesus Christ was simply that He had God's Spirit in Him, He would not be any different from the prophets of the past; and in order to correct that misconception, Jesus pressed His question more directly upon His disciples that led Peter to confess Him as the Son of the living God_{Matt.16:15-17} - a title that no other prophet assumed, and which was most definitely pointing to His deity than to His humanity.

2. Jesus Himself Claimed Deity

More than just having God's Spirit in Him_{(John 3:34 and Acts 10:38)} , Jesus claimed divine titles for Himself in a way that no other prophet has done. Notice how that He claimed to be Lord in John 13:13 - "Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am." Indeed, some have queried the import of that claim by asserting that others too were called 'lord.' If indeed they were claiming the very same thing that Jesus was claiming, why then did He further ask them the question of Who He really was in Matt.22:43? Notice this in verses 41-45:

⁴¹While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
⁴²Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
⁴³He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
⁴⁴The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
⁴⁵If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I'll offer you this: the Lordship of Jesus Christ points to His deity, and that is what He had often maintained in His life and teachings. A diehard Jewish conservative never called David 'Lord'; neither did he call Moses or the other prophets by that title. But when he encountered the risen and living Christ, no one forced him to confess it; but the first thing that came through his lips was the divine title by which he called Jesus on the Damascus road: "And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."_{Acts 9:5} You know I was referring to Saul who later became the apostle Paul.

I trust you'll see this and state it as clearly as the Bible does. The uniqueness of Jesus Christ goes far beyond having God's Spirit upon Him in His humanity - He was the divine Son of God, and His divinity sets Him apart from everyone else. If we are not careful to firmly let our enquirers see this, the confusion will grow out of proportion, and will lead to remarks like 9ijaMan's in his reply to yours: "If you have God's spirit in you too, then u are not any different from Jesus." Jesus is indeed Lord - and as we read in John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

Many blessings.

Sorry i was referring to this quote!!

choice.A:
Well, I thought that when you suggested that I picked up an original copy of the Bible, you might have one yourself before you could know that there was an original copy. I am aware of at least four English translations (three of which are in my library) of the Qur'an - YusufAli, Pickthal, Shakir, and Maududi. There's always a disclaimer by Muslim scholars and institutions using any translation of the Qur'an in any language, because they believe that "any translation of the Qur'an immediately ceases to be the literal word of Allah, and hence cannot be equated with the Qur'an in its original Arabic form." Granted. However, if someone who's not versed in Arabic attempts to understand the literal word of Allah, how is this possible since the translation he or she would be using in any language "ceases to be the literal word of Allah" and so cannot be trusted as such? That is why those who attempt to quote the English translations of the Qur'an on this forum are not really quoting the word of Allah by that same rule.

As for the Bible, I may not have a copy of the "original" as they appear in the original languages. If that is an excuse for people to denounce the Bible altogether as the Word of God, I'd always ask them to kindly provide me with what they know to be the original Bible. Isn't it somewhat amusing that most religions claim that our Bibles have been corrupted from the original, and yet they don't know what the original really says? I don't take such claims to superior knowledge seriously until those who level such accusations are able to produce a copy of the original before they could say for sure that other copies have been corrupted.

I have more than five trusted translations on my shelf; but in comparing them and using study helps like Bible dictionaries, encyclopedias, concordances and others, I could discern between what is true and what is spurious in the many "versions" that inundate the book market. Shades of meanings from the original languages (Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek) become less ambiguous and the truths come forth in a real sense. Jesus said in Matt.5:18 that till heaven and earth pass, one jot or tittle (smallest stroke of an alphabet) would not pass from the Law until all be fulfilled. That has been very helpful as a guide in my studies in seeking to better understand my faith in Christianity. The fact that the Bible has weathered multiplied attacks from various quarters down through the ages does not make it lose its authenticity of claim to divine and infallible revelation. What is important at the end of the day is whether one understands its message and seeks to obey its truths. I can guarantee you that the truths of the Bible have been proven in my life and experiences many times over - and I'm sure multiplied others know that the Bible most certainly validates its own truths in a very real sense.

A very pleasant week ahead to you.

Thank you for making it clearer for me. This was what i was originally trying to say but it didn't come out this clear. We thank God for your life!

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Re: Do You Know This Man? (Prophet Muhammad)
« #38 on: February 18, 2006, 08:39 PM »

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I mean if there was no catholic or orthodox church, but just these pentecostals wacks, I would be a muslim. That's much better.


This comment shows just proves to me that you do not know God and you are infact just a lost sheep (that can be found by ones actions). You claim you are a Catholic right? Catholics believe that Jesus was the son of God and that he was crucified. Muslims believe Jesus was nothing more than a prophet. So you making a remark like this just shows you have no understanding of Jesus and for you to say you will join a community that thinks of your MESSIAH as a prophet. You trully are lost.

You need to pick up your bible and read the truth and not be judging the GOD that you worship by other peoples actions and stop acting like a stupid person because i know you understand.

Chrisd,

Are your eyes blind to the hatred and mockery that Jesus gets each day?

9ijaMan:
If Jesus has God's spirit in him, would you mind telling me which spirit you have in you? If you have God's spirit in you too, then u are not any different from Jesus, hence there's only one God. Not 2 or 3 gods!

Abeg who are the "We" that killed him (Jesus)? That statement should be refering to those who supposedly killed him. How am I supposed to be counted amongst those who killed him, when I wasn't even born then. Besides the bible also states that:
[center]Each is responsible for his own actions, a son does not bear guilt for his father's sins(EZEK 18:19-20).
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Or would you count yourself amongst those who killed him?

Here again Jesus says he's not got the power to do things on his own but by the will of God Who sent him.
Jesus also says he was sent by the Father: does that mean Jesus is a messenger?


Please shed more light here o!

1.) I had my own spirit. I am only connected to my mother and father by DNA, which is FLESH. Jesus has Gods spirit in him but was also the CHOSEN one.

Jesus answered, "For sure, I tell you, unless a man is born of water and of the Spirit of God, he cannot get into the holy nation of God"

When i became a child of God i became born of Gods spirit.

2.)No way! The reason why i said "we" was because i was speaking as Human, yes it wasn't me and you as individuals that killed him Jesus but it was part of the Human race.

3.) Jesus had may tasks to do on earth. He saved the sin of all man by sacrificing his own life, he preached, he healed people. Overall he shed light on the whole world. He was much more than a messenger. But the Messiah.

Christian, 15 years old and desperate for a baby!

What do i do? The feelings are so intense but i love Jesus and my faith and i can't fornicate but i want it so so bad!

Yewandé:
@Softee

I never thought of it in that way but Jeez it was horrible!
I doubt if god even thinks about me ( I have only the Jedi faith) but your very sweet to think so have a hug


Wheres Islam I wanted his reaction too? Is he going to justify this to me?

Aww i understand but of course God thinks about you, he saved you for a reason, now its up to you to find that purpose!

GET A LIFE

Mine is:

Psalm 30:5
For his anger endureth but a moment; in his favour is life: weeping may endure for a night, but joy cometh in the morning.

9ijaMan:
@ Softee,
If you don't have anything to contribute in a thread, it'll be nice for you not to participate at all. I've lost count of the number of threads in which you have posted the Qur'anic verses above completely out of context. If you are so fanscinated by the Qur'an, I'll implore you to read the whole book and stop behaving like a kid who's just found a long lost candy. Every single thread in which religion (with reference to Islam) is being discussed, your posts have always come up with the same verses of the Qur'an. Your request about the essence of the verses have been dealt with extensively, yet you display the same mischievious behaviour by copying and pasting the same words in every thread about Islam you stumble into.

If you are bereaved of ideas on issues then simply play the "sidon and look" type.

If you lack the comprehension of debating intellectually, it'll do you a lot of favour if you just read what others are contributing. Afterall it's not a must that you have to contibute in all discussions. Abi na by force?

Peace

I will get some new ones if you want. Also you are quite right, i haven't got anything to do with or say about the Quran but you can't tell me i cant be in this thread.

@ Yewande,

That is a testomony! God saved you for a reason! God bless your life. In jesus name Amen!

Islam:
u misunderstood the verse!!!!

by saying "they" the Quran means that the person who assaulted u stopped then forgive them because god is merciful!

and again it doesnt say that we stop until they believe in allah!!!! we stop until the person who assaulted stop!

Softee, please give me the verse where t says that "we must kill kuffars whenever we see them"!
and softee, i hope that u bring the whole verse and stop accusing islam because i don't think that is what christianity recommended and hoped for its belevers to do because in your way of accusing you're disfigurng the reputation of christianity, i think confrence should be in discussion and not being stubourn and sayng that other relgions are "toxc and violent"

First of all, i am not accusing i am telling you the truth about your religion. It is violent. It promotes violence but on a down-low.

and again it doesnt say that we stop until they believe in allah!!!! we stop until the person who assaulted stop![/b]

A 'God' teaching this? To stop fighting until the other person stops? And you see nothing wrong in that? Islam is going to drive a lot of you poor people to your graves. Its better to walk away from war then fight and be killed.

Here are some scriptures from the bible about hate and violence:

[b]21"You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder; and whoever murders will be liable to judgment.' 22But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults[c] his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, 'You fool!' will be liable to the hell[d] of fire. 23So if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24leave your gift there before the altar and go.

3"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47And if you greet only your brothers,[h] what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

38"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' 39But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. 40And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic,[g] let him have your cloak as well. 41And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

Christianity is about being christ-like which means to love one and other. I don't know the purpose of islam but if it is teaching you to fight in the cause of allah, then there is no love in this religion, Because a 'God' who created all human beings will not teach you to fight eachother. This seems like the Anti-christ.