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4get_Me, davidylan,

If male muslims get 72 virgins in their paradise, dosen't that make them still flesh? And everybody knows the flesh is evil, the thing that lusts + craves and feels pain, so does this mean that in this "paradise" there is still evil. I DONT GET IT, SHED LIGHT PLEASE, CORRECT ME!!!

You know it breaks my heart to see these kind of forums. I just feel like if only these muslims knew what being a Christian is about, if only they knew what Christ did for them, if only they felt the LOVE. But instead they follow a religion which consists of the cruel treatment of women, violence and freewill as long as it is for Allah.

Is it because muslims feel that fighting back is more realistic? But does that not conform to the world? So how is it that you can believe in paradise if your quran says you can conform to the world. Isn't Heaven a reward, a precious gift?

Does Islam Support Violence And War?

I don't get it. They will always compare it to christianity and use mind games. Why?

I was expecting more detail than that but, ok God bless you

I have concluded that some muslims have the truth in their hearts. They know Jesus was the son of God. They just enjoy playing mind games and putting people off christianity, just because they have learned the truth and it dosen't surport their Allah.

ajia23:
Softee,

All you have stated smack of pure hypocrisy. Why would God set a standard nobody would be able to attain? You believe in something, but you acknowledge that you rarely follow what you believe in. My sister, 1 advice, practice what you preach. Or better still, join a religion that alllows you what is practical.

You asked what retialaion does? It's simple. Even though we are encouraged to forgive in Islam, but retialation is allowed and it serves the purpose of serving as a deterrent to those who are incorrigibly aggressive and bellicose as well as belligerent. So, if we were to go by christian doctrines, you will have me believe that a murderer should just be allowed to kill another person instead of being punished. So much for justice. So christianity supports injustice. If you disagree, provide your proof.

I can't believe you have took one comment made by me and and changed it into "i rarely follow what i believe in". I am in a learning process i cannot learn to be Christ-like in a day.

You say why would God set a standard nobody can attain. But my God tells me:

Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

God bless you @ TayoD

No, the murder will not kill again. If he is going to kill again, God will not have forgiven him. Again, God is not stupid. Yes my God is a good God because the murderer is paying for his sin, if God was not a good God, he will let him get away with it. God knows what hes doing.

I also do not like the way we are talking of God, like he is one of his, he CREATED us, never can our human minds understand him, unless filled with the holy spirit in which you can speak tongues to God.

Just because Jesus saves you it dosen't mean you will not suffer for what you did.

I few years ago i got arrested, God forgave me but i'm still having trouble going abroad, i'm still paying the price for my sins!

God is not stupid. Hes sees everybody's hearts. If a murderer comes before God and apologises with a sincere heart and starts to take a christian walk then God will forgive him. However this dosen't mean that his punishment is over, because he is still in jail. The murderer will suffer on earth but will be at peace in heaven because of his sincere heart.

Please do not make God out to be something hes not.

Any1??

What achievement are you making when you hit somebody who hit you back? In what way are you making God happy with you?

OlaAjia:
@Softee,

I often get irritated when I watch you people denounce the books of the old testament for Tish reason:The old testament, whether you like it or not is a part of your Bible, so why then should Jesus come to "shed light upon" what God has sent down? I only came to realize that Christians, in their quest to hide the truth, tried to do away with the old testament referring to the "new testament Gideon Bible". Only realizing that they could not succeed because it was widely used by the Orthodox, their quest never diminished, as their new claim became "Jesus has shed light on the old testament". So Softee are you insinuating that the old testament that someworth conforms with the Islamic laws was sent by a bad God(God forbid such attestations)? and then the bad God later turned to a Good God when he Gave birth to Jesus, His only begotten son(God does not have the attributes of man, and so cannot beget a son)? How much worse can your lies get, even though they are obvious to non-Christians and Christians alike. Are you testing the intelligence that God gave man or what?

When did i say the old testament was not important? It is very important however this is the new age, we are living in the end times so the new testament applies more. Jesus is not a man, i stated before he was with God in the beginning he only came in human form to save mankind. God was always a good God even when people were put to death for certain sins but let me put it like this. In the old testament when a lot of things were going wrong for God, he had to destroy cities, the evil one was creating more sins, he wanted to save the good people out there, in which he done through Jesus. No way has the old testament got anything to do with islamic laws, no matter what you say, no matter how many mind tricks you create, the bible does not encourage fighting and war and enables men to beat their wives.

For those who claim that it is more "Realistic" when it is said in islam that you can hit those who hit you. It is only realistic to the human mind. Gods job is to guide you so you can create the best life for yourself and so you can humble yourself and be dead to sin. Once you are christ-like you will be worthy of going to heaven and will be able to be with Christ who is crowned in Glory. To turn the other cheek is what Jesus would have done.

20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death.

Jesus came to shed light on a lot of rules. It is now been said by the new testament that:

27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell

The concequence of Adultry (if not 4given) is going to hell. This does not show God as a bad person. Your God also sends people to hell.

All the scriptures you showed is from the old testament which Jesus has shed light on. Let me give you a challange. Give me one scripture that teaches violence in the new testament.

ajia23:
Firstly, let me acknowledge and praise OlaAjia for his dexterity and suaveness in responding to the queries of the christians on this thread, and the attempts by the other muslims to show them that when they see a muslim, they hardly give him a chance, but view only a personification of their own stereotypes of who a muslim is. Well done my brothers!

I will however not be as smooth as OlaAjia has been, and I will show you why. I find glaring contradictions in what softee and others will have us believe is christianity. Let me explain. Firstly baby Osisi said,

Is she implying that christianity is all about financial success?

Then Softee,

Continuing she also says,



But here Baby osisi says something which contradicts her earlier assertions,



Now, if chrisitianity is so peaceful as softee would have us believe, why would it fortell of a war in which Christ will kill the antichrist in revelations? Why would a good God send his 'only begotten son' to wage a war against an evil antichrist who is persecuting his children on earth? Is vengeance not for God? The pacifism which christianity claims is not only unworkeable, but totally unGodly by christian standards as according to the bible, even God waged a war against Satan in Heaven. Besides, I often see christians fight back when they are aggressed against. Should we take that to mean they have been filled by the 'holy spirit'as softee asserted here?

The truth is, a good God would not allow diseases such as HIV AIDS kill his faithful servants, or the worldwars that claimed all together some 60 million people, or for that matter, the holy crusades where christians and non-christians died, or tell the Jews to fight other unbelievers and kill them in the bible. Except of course if she means to tell me that God had since reformed since he gave those commandments. Please spare me and other muslims all these tell-rales. God is very realistic by ordering that when someone attacks you, you defend yourself. That is another reason why sometimes, I read hypocrisy in christian doctrines as chrisitians sometimes support America's premptive strikes against Arab states in the name of self-defence, while in actual fact the Americans are always the aggressors. Even if America's actions are deemed to be self defence, I thought biblical teachings said you are not to defend yourselves? So why would christians support their actions? And if I happen to slap softee, would she turn the other side? If you wouldn't, then please do not believe in that pathetic doctrine and embrace the realistic Islamic doctrine of self defence which confirms the first law of nature self preservation.

ajia23,

First of all if you don't know, their are creations beyond what the human minds knows. Jesus clearly stated he saved sinners thorugh being crucified on his own accord to save us from the evil one. Whenever we sin, we can just repent.

John 10:18
No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father."

You say that why would a good God send his only begotten son to war against the Anti-christ. Do you know who the Anti-christ is? And again Jesus did it on his own accord.

The person who caused death, sucicide, drugs, guns, rape, sexual abuse, sexual immorality, war, depression, sickness, the list can go on. A good God has saved us from this and defeated the EVIL, DECITFUL LIAR. This point of yours has just made God look even more Wonderful.

You copy Gods saying from my text that VENGEANCE is God's. And then you question if vengeance is his why would he send his only begotten son. AGAIN, Jesus done it on his own accord AND Jesus IS our God anyways. He is sitting at the right side of God and God gave us to him. He was with God when God created the world, he is the beginning and the end. So he chooses to save us from the evil one, to save our souls from PAIN.

John 1:1
[ The Word Became Flesh ] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
(The word = Jesus)

You say you often see christians fight back. I see terrorists attack and kill millions, whats your point? We all know that people do not always obey the commands of God accuratly and make mistakes. But who are you to judge?
Your comment on the holy spirit was really not needed i personally choose not to answer this because the answers is with you already.

If you hit me TODAY. I will most probably hit you back. I am being honest, God detests liars. But thats because i am christian trying to sort out ones life. I have had a lot of ups and downs with God and have sinned a lot. I am still learning about who my God is and what hes about, i will continually, daily, be asking God for strength that ONE DAY, Somebody will hit me and i will be able to turn my cheek. WHY? Because i will do anything to make God happy and i know his teachings do not come from nowhere, there is a reason why God told us to turn our cheeks. If you hit back, you are more likely to fight. and a good God does not want hi children to fight. Vengeance is his. Always remember that.

Unlike some of you muslims, i can be true to myself. I am not trying to talk like i know what God is doing because i don't. There are 101 questions i will ask God when i get the chance to see him. Unlike you, i do not have to fight for God, because hes GOD! He is the[b] judge[/b]. He will judge those who talked against him and done actions against him. My opinion still remains that a good God cannot tell you to fight back in his name.

Jesus, Lamb of God, Worthy is your Name

lol amen!!

blakconjee:
Softee,

maybe you should read the verses below again. Maybe this time they will make better sense to you. Be objective please. Thank you. N/B. Have highlighted some areas to accentuate their importance to the understanding of the message of the verses.

2:190 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

2:192 But if they desist, then lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

2:193 And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers.


Olaajia and LAHLAXZA, I hail you for your good grasp of the issues relating to the politics of the 'hating' of Islam. May Allah (SAW) continue to give us wisdom and strenght to continue to fight this Jihad in the most peaceful of ways. Amin.

Thank you for trying to make this clearer for me but it still seems very wrong to me and my questions were not answered fully. Showing me that Allah only wants you to fight if another person starts it does not shed any light on my view.

2:190 Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

Regardless of they way in which you should fight or who starts it. A GOOD God will not tell you to fight back.

2:191 And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. And fight not with them at the Inviolable Place of Worship until they first attack you there, but if they attack you (there) then slay them. Such is the reward of disbelievers.

Slay them if they attack you first!! how can a good God say this, i don't get it.

Blakconjee, OlaAjia, LAHLAXZA

Let me tell you something. God is good. Vengeance is his. You leave things in his hands and get on with your walk using Jesus as your personal saviour and role model. You cannot spend your life fighting those who fight you because then what kind of life will you have! I am not saying this to make you feel bad, i am just saying the truth. The truth shall set you free.

I'm sorry if the subject was a bit intimidating, i didn't really know much about what the Anti-Christ was when i posted it but since, i have learnt. I also know now that ALL muslims do not hate christians and certainly are not the Anti-Christ.

God bless and the Lord knows i'm sorry if i offended.

Jesus,

1.)Healed the sick
2.)Cast away demons
3.)Never married, dedicated his whole life for others
4.)Put others before himself
5.)Teached wisdom

Don't you just love him, i mean how can you not, look at all the things he has done for us, this shows pure love, like a father has for his child, like Jesus has for us.

People that don't know him, be open-minded please and get to know him, it is well worth it.

Please everybody share what you know about our Lord and Saviour, The Messiah, The Beginning And The End, Jesus Christ.

SOURCE: http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm

OlaAjia,

What beautiful replies are you referring to? No muslim has answered my question that how can a GOOD God tell you to fight in his name? I mean everybody knows what violence leads to, this just does not add up to me. I also have many more questions that has yet to be answered.

How can a good God tell you to fight those who fight you?
How can a good God tell you every muslim must be willing to fight until they give you peace?

LAHLAXZA:
LET YOUR RELIGION BE YOURS AND MINE BE MINE .HISTORICALLY PEOPLE HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD RELIGIOUS CONTENTS AND HAVE USED RELIGION AS A VEIL FOR PERSONAL AND POLITICAL MOTIVES .WHY SHOULD ISLAM BE ANY DIFFERENT? . I DONT HATE ANY CHRISTAIN FOR BEING A CHRISTAIN SO THAT MAKES THIS THREAD VERY BOGUS BECAUSE IF I SHOULD GO BY IT ALONE I WOULD ASSSUME ALL MULIMS HATE CHRISTAINS FOR BEING CHRISTAINS , AND THAT IS SO NOT TRUE.

P.S SOFTEE YOU SEEM TO GO ABOUT Nairaland POSTING THREADS WRIITEN IN LANGUAGE THAT LACKS RELIGIOUS SENSITIVITY TOWARDS MUSLIMS.JUST IN CASE YOU DONT KNOW, IT IS [b]CHILDISH AND HIGHLY IRRESP[/b]ONSIBLE REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOUR MOTIVES ARE.

I'm sprry if i have offended you in any way but i am a girl who speaks the truth by what i see. I cannot sit here and lie to people. The demon behind everything has to be EXPOSED. I understand that some of my lanugage might have come across unfriendly, this is not what Jesus would have liked me to do and i will be the first to admit i have, in some situations, acted not very christianly.

I love everybody for who they are, not what they belive in, HOWEVER, their comes a point in a christian life that you become ignited by the holy spirit and you can't hold it in, you just have to PREACH.

God bless you.

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Jalal:
The Question should be why do christians refuse to understand islam

I don't see how christians can understand a religion which encourages war and fighting. Expecially when our own saviour teaches LOVE. However because i am not a narrow minded person please make me to understand why you would want to be in a religion that teaches violence?

You welcome.

Does it matter? I mean it does but as long as you are giving God all the praise and adoration and doing the right thing, hes happy!

Yep when i hear the Holy Spirit i doubt him.

Infact there was a time when he told me to talk to him when im down, when im , when im , but i didnt hear him clearly only partially. But part of me thinks it was all in my head that there is no Holy spirit. My heart and soul belives in the Holy Spirit Deeply but my humanly thoughts do not.

Because remember that once you have Jesus the devil has no hold on your life what so ever.