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Buhari really need to control his unguarded utterances. It's been doing him serious harm.

Decker:
You see how you guys evade questions? I asked you simple questions, and instead of you to answer them, you are throwing totally unrelated questions back at me.

There's no questions of yours that I can shy away from answering. The truth is, you're not a true seeker! I don't engage in useless wranglings that doesn't edify anyone.

Decker:
It's really funny how you guys just take random verses from the scripture and use them to support notions that are not in anyway related to the context in which those verses were initially used.

Lol. Dude, just answer the question. If you can't, just tell me.

You see! This is what I'm saying! You're making mockery of the Scripture I used as if you know jack about it! What context is that Scripture used or is meant?

Tinydick:
Ain't you funny
It's so simple bro.
It's matter of wat u bliv rather Dan taught.

Agree, bro. But then, be careful of what you believe! For it is written, "in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men".

Decker:
Of course I do. Asking questions is one of the best ways to learn, and we are all learning everyday, aren't we? Another way we learn is by listening to the opinions of others, and I want to get your own opinion.

Don't you have answers to the questions I asked? Can't you defend your beliefs and assertions?

Yeah, you're right. I've already acknowledged your questions as "good" ones, which means, they deserves a response from me. But then, it is written, “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces“. Do not attempt to interpret the boldface, lest you do it to your hurt.

All of your questions can be answered satisfactorily. But then again, I still doubt your sincerity to these questions.

Jessicha:
nah ! you only prove how irrational your idea is , so because the Father, son and holyspirit are mentioned together = trinity ?

lolllzzz, wat will someone like you call 1 Tim 5:21 where God, Jesus and The angelS ARE MENTIONED TOGETHER , Trillionity ?

Lol............................................ Trillionity indeed!

Decker:
Are you sure? I mean, all through the old testament, his love was rather one-sided and focused towards just the Isrealites, up to the point that on various occasions, he marched them into the land of his other children, who you claim he also loves, to kill and dominate them.



@bolded. Come on, the same loving father of yours sat back and watched as his children drowned in the flood during the time of Noah. If he can watch that, he can watch anything, don't you think?

And are you saying that hell doesn't exist? That there is no punishment for sinners?



What's this special plan of his for mankind?

Good questions. But, I doubt if you sincerely seek answers to these questions.

dolphinheart:

16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

sir, the word trinity, nor its concept, is not mentioned here o!

Kikiki...

One thing is sure. Biafrans will eventually get their freedom.

Someone should learn wisdom today.

Those initiatives were all beneficial to the masses, of course not everybody. Lots of beneficiaries today are living large!

What nonsense! Why the guy no reject that kind yeye thing na....... SMH

maputohq:
@lalasticlala, fp please. today is the celeberation of the mystery of trinity. the priest isn't doing justice to it. infact i'm more confused than i was initially.
i still dey church.

Lol at the boldface. Your confusion is only starting...... Please lalasticlala, OAM4J, move it to the fp for his confusion is colossal. Perhaps, he may find some answers from his fellow travelers.

Nuella222:
Blessed areThe pure in heart, for they shall see God (Mtt 5:8 ).

Blessed are the meek, for they shall INHERIT THE EARTH (Matt 5:5). How can this be when heaven is your heaven?

cloudgoddess:
Heaven is for people who believe in a particular deity. There is Muslim heaven, Jewish heaven, Hindu heaven, Tao heaven. It has nothing to do with being a righteous person, all that matters is that you believe in the right god.

Furthermore, why should a perfectly loving god need to limit his love to only those that "pay" with belief, righteousness, whatever? Why does he need petty human payments in exchange for his love when his love is supposed to be boundless and unconditional?

Something's not adding up.

You have a valid argument.

God is a loving Father who loves all of His children. This thought of yours arises as a result of being told that some people will burn in fire forever while some will go to heaven. This belief is COMPLETELY false! No loving father will sit back and watch his children burn. You're not to blame for this mislead, those impostors parading themselves as pastors and preachers have the greater condemnation.

And to you, have you ever cared to open the Bible and comfirm these things by yourself or you just swallow it intoto? I tell you, the moment you're previledge to hear God's plan for mankind, you're certainly bound to think twice!

Omooba77:
Many of us who are Christian belief we will make heaven; but our action may deny us a place in His kingdom.
Unforgiveness is a great sin before God, many of us find it hard to forgive, any one who died not forgiving will not make heaven. We can check the following passages to see the reality of the truth,just as Our Lord's prayer says,forgive us our sins as we forgive others Luke 11:4 ;Matthew 6:12. Also the parable in Matthew 18:21-35.
Let us learn to forgive and allow peace of God to reign in our hearts. Shallom!

Who's going to heaven? I mean, who taught you that?

Always confessing on the pages of newspaper. SMH for this kind of lies...

Government of the zombies and for the zombies.

Okay. Leme observe it well

To the Skeptic

Among the educated in the Western World, the popular terms for those who refuse to accept the authority of an all-powerful God, are “deists,” “rationalists” or, more popularly, “higher critics.”

The Bible teaches that “the carnal mind is enmity [hostile] against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be” (Rom. 8:7). This is the natural tendency of all human beings—including YOU—although most would never believe or admit it. (Also see Jeremiah 17:9.) There is no proof, evidence, fact, logic or sound reasoning that could ever cause anyone, who is unwilling to set aside their natural, automatic prejudice against believing in and yielding to the authority of a loving God, to do so. Natural bias and prejudice against belief in an all-powerful God, who tells them how to live, is sufficient to keep most from honestly admitting the proofs contained in this discourse!

What will YOU do?

In his booklet Does God Exist?, Herbert W. Armstrong concluded with this statement under the subhead “Master Clock of the Universe”:

“But then you, Mr. Skeptic—you look up into the great vast sky at the MASTER CLOCK of the universe, which never misses a second—the perfect watch by which we must constantly set all our imperfect man-made watches—and you tell me, ‘That all just HAPPENED! There was no Great Watchmaker! No Master MIND thought out and planned that vast universe, brought it into being, set each star and planet in its own exact place, and started the myriad heavenly bodies coursing through space, each in its prescribed orbit, in its orderly precision. No, it just fashioned itself, put itself together, wound itself up, and started itself running. There was no Intelligence—no planning—NO CREATION—NO GOD!’

“Do you say that to me?

“If you can, I answer that I do not respect your intelligence. And the God I acknowledge replies to you, ‘The FOOL hath said in his heart, There is no God!’ (Ps. 14:1; 53:1.)
“If you can look about you, and observe how intelligently PLANNED and executed is everything in nature and in plant and animal life—everything we see except the bungling, botching, polluting of God’s beautiful handiwork by the clumsy hand of God-ignoring-and-rejecting MAN—and then say you doubt the existence of an all-wise, all-knowing, all-powerful Creator GOD, then I do not have much faith either in your rational processes or your sincerity as a seeker of the TRUTH!”

Embarrassed Scientists and Atheists

Paul described those who refuse to accept the mountain of evidence proving God’s existence. He wrote, “Because that which may be known of God is manifest [obvious] in them; for God has showed it unto them. For the invisible things of Him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified Him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened” (Rom. 1:19-21). Modern science is left without excuse when it chooses to believe and teach evolution and ignores the existence of God. It has been said, “there is none so blind as he who refuses to see.” If people refuse to accept proof—evidence—truth—of the existence of God, there is absolutely nothing that can be said to erase their willful blindness. Remember, only the “fool has said in his heart, There is no God.”

One final quote from science best sums up why so many atheists and evolutionists live in a world of frustration and disillusionment:

“Finding a distinct beginning to the universe was something that most scientists did not anticipate and which made most of them, like Einstein, enormously uncomfortable. ‘There is a kind of religion in science,’ says Jastrow, ‘it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the Universe, and every event can be explained in a rational way as the product of some previous event; every effect must have its cause; there is no First Cause.’ But here it was, a First Effect. The universe, most astronomers and physicists now agree, had a distinct beginning. There therefore must be a First Cause, a Prime Mover—God—that set the universe in motion. ‘For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries’” (The New American, “Divine Design,” D. Behreandt, Dec. 18, 2000).

davien:
Indeed... anyone is free to fact check me by searching for Refuting the irrefutable proof of god And listen while scrolling your forum from page one...

Didn't I say you're bound to die in ignorance From the very beginning of this thread, this has stood out clearly,

"NOTE: The work you're about to learn from isn't mine".

The Probability of an Earth

Let’s take an imaginary trip to the moon and look back at earth. Consider all that we left behind in our journey. We could ask: What are the mathematical odds that the earth, with all its plants, animals, eco-systems and complex interdependence, could come into existence by itself? What are the actual odds that all this could happen—even once? What are the odds of a single earth occurring?

Numerous scientists have recognized the improbable position of our planet’s location, in the solar system, in relation to its moon. For instance, if the earth were 10% farther from the sun, it would freeze over, or if it were 10% closer to the sun, it would quickly bake. If it were 20% closer to the moon, twice daily 35-50 foot tidal waves would wash to and fro over most of the earth’s land surface at great speed.

Dr. Hugh Ross, Ph.D., sat down and carefully performed an extraordinarily complex mathematical computation. He took 123 separate parameters (factors) and calculated the odds that all 123 factors, which had to be present for the earth to exist as we know it, could have come together—“just happened”—on their own.

Some of his parameters need to be listed here to begin to appreciate the complexity of his calculations.

He computed an exact value for galaxy size, type, location, birthdate of the sun, proximity of solar nebula to a supernova eruption, number of moons, mass and distance from moons, tidal force, axis tilt of planet, planetary distance from star, global distribution of continents, thickness of planet crust, atmospheric transparency, pressure, viscosity, carbon dioxide level, amount of chlorine, cobalt, copper, fluorine, nickel, potassium (and many other elements in the earth’s crust), oxygen-to-nitrogen ratio, volcanic activity and scores more. Then Dr. Ross performed one final mathematical computation before arriving at a final conclusion on the chances of the entire universe producing even one earth.

The results of his calculation—of finding all 123 of his parameters on a single earth are: “less than one chance in 10 to the 139th power (ten thousand trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion trillion) exists that even one such planet would occur anywhere in the universe.”

This represents a lot of zeros!

Only a few decades ago, the largest number known to mathematicians was a vigintillion—or one with 63 zeros. A quadrillion has fifteen zeros and a quintillion has eighteen. As gigantic as are these numbers, the odds of an earth appearing anywhere in the universe represents a number so immensely large as to dwarf a quadrillion.

Understand! The universe is inseparable from the laws of mathematics. In other words, the appearance of a single earth, anywhere in the universe, is an utterly impossible probability. Any mathematician “worth his salt” would admit that the earth was created exactly as we see it!

davien:
No, I don't need to... you copied it word for word... what is actually ignorant is mindlessly lifting page after page of material and expecting someone to respond to it..

You see! That's why you're likely to wallow in ignorance all your life. Such a pity.

davien:
"irrefutable proofs of god", Is the material you copied and pasted here right from page 1...another rehashed piece of poo... lols

I remembered laughing to the debunking by Aronra on YouTube... better stay clear of that,you might actually learn something... lol

Don't you think you need to check again? Such needless show of ignorance.

Design Requires a DESIGNER

We are not prepared to address the final conclusions in this discourse until we look at two more sources. More scientists are accepting that the great evidence of design all around us requires acknowledgment of a Great Designer. More are recognizing that acceptance of any other explanation forces them to deny reality. The first source sets up the second:

“Everyone concludes naturally and comfortably that highly ordered and designed items (machines, houses, etc.) owe existence to a designer. It is unnatural to conclude otherwise. But evolution asks us to break stride from what is natural to believe in what is unnatural, unreasonable, and…unbelievable…The basis for this departure from what is natural and reasonable to believe is not fact, observation, or experience but rather unreasonable extrapolations from abstract probabilities, mathematics, and philosophy” (Wysong, R. L., The Creation/Evolution Controversy, 1976).

Now for the second source:

“In concluding, it is important to realize that we are not inferring design from what we do not know, but from what we do know. We are not inferring design to account for a black box, but to account for an open box. A man from a primitive culture who sees an automobile might guess that it was powered by the wind or by an antelope hidden under the car, but when he opened up the hood and sees the engine he immediately realizes that it was designed. In the same way biochemistry has opened up the cell to examine what makes it run and we see that it, too, was designed.

“It was a shock to people of the nineteenth century when they discovered, from observations science had made, that many features of the biological world could be ascribed to the elegant principle of natural selection. It is a shock to us in the twentieth century to discover, from observations science has made, that the fundamental mechanisms of life cannot be ascribed to natural selection, and therefore were designed. But we must deal with our shock as best we can and go on. The theory of undirected evolution is already dead, but the work of science continues” (Behe, Michael J., Molecular Machines).

Certainly, true science is always in harmony with the facts. No one who believes in God or special creation need ever fear God or science based on facts!

Alright friends. Happy weekend! We're rounding off our discussions today..............

It is evident that the universe could not have came into existence by accident

The theory of evolution debunk. Now we have a valid argument.

But ascribing such glory to Yahweh, the Jewish diety is absolutely unacceptable.

And you think you know God?

Even from biblical portrait of his makeup, attitude and personality, he is more human and imperfect like myself, in fact I'm better than him in all ramifications. As my conduct can't get that worse.

What a blasphemous boldface! Such a joke that what is created could challenge his Creator in whom he owes his being, on what is right and wrong. Does the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘The potter has no hands’? Or does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?
. Be the judge.

It's obvious the intelligence behind creation is either too busy to even want to be noticed or he sure is a very secured personality who doesn't desire human worship to feel good about himself.
He seems to be more interested in watching the dramas put up by his creation.

You see! You're bound to make this kind of mistake when you don't even know why you exist- why you were created in the first place. Such needless confusion!

Whales and Dolphins

The next quote demonstrates the impossibility of whales and dolphins evolving to their present state. It lies in the context of a larger statement about why there is no fossil record demonstrating various stages of transition in their development:

“We can demonstrate one such transition problem by using the example of dolphins and whales. These mammals bear their young alive and breathe air, yet spend their entire lifetime in the sea. Presumably, in order for dolphins and whales to have evolved, they must have originated from a land mammal that returned to the water and changed into a sea creature. But dolphins and whales have so many remarkable features upon which their survival depends that they couldn't have evolved! It would be a lot like trying to change a bus into a submarine one part at a time, all the while it is traveling at 60 miles per hour.

“The following is a list of transitions evolutionists have to account for in the dolphin in its evolution from some unknown land dwelling pre-dolphin: (1) The nose would have to move to the back of the head. (2) Feet, claws, or tail would be exchanged for fins and flippers. (3) It would have to develop a torpedo shaped body for efficient swimming in the water. (4) It would have to drink sea water and desalinize it. (5) It's entire bone structure and metabolism would have to be rearranged. (6) It would need to develop a sophisticated sonar system to search for food.

“Could the dolphin acquire these features gradually one at a time over a period of millions of years? What about the transitional stages? Would they have survived with just some of these features? Why is there a total absence of transitional forms fossilized?

“Consider the whale and its enormous size in comparison with the plankton it feeds upon. The whale is a nautical vacuum cleaner, with a baleen filter. While it was ‘developing’ this feature, what did it feed upon before? For me, it takes a great stretch of the imagination to picture the evolution of dolphins and whales” (Douglas B. Sharp, The Revolution Against Evolution, ch. 5.).

It must be concluded that whales and dolphins were created!


What About Hummingbirds?

The briefest overview of birds reveals some remarkable facts. Virtually every bird builds its nest in a different way. Courtship behavior, sexual roles and reproductive activity are different among nearly every species. In one bird, the roles of the male gathering the food while the female sits on the eggs are reversed. And when did the sexes diverge—for birds or any other animal? (Even some plants are male and female. How did this happen?)

Hummingbirds represent true genius. They weigh one-fourteenth of an ounce and, like helicopters, can fly forward, backward, sideways and can hover in mid-air. Their flight mechanism is incredibly complex and the quills in their feathers are stronger for their weight than any structure designed by man. These quills constantly change shape to adjust for wind and air pressure. The leading vane of their feather functions much like a propeller, to offer lift and propulsion.

Three-quarters of their entire weight is in their wing muscles. They possess a kind of jet-assisted takeoff mechanism that they can use during landings and takeoffs. Air flows only one way into their lungs so as to bring a constant supply of oxygen for such strenuous high-speed flight. They also possess retractable landing gear, a migration navigation system, streamlining and camouflage and an extraordinary respiration system where they can store extra air inside their hollow bones. In turn, this provides buoyancy and an internal air conditioner. Hummingbirds must eat continuously to satisfy their high level of metabolism. To stop eating would mean death. Only by undergoing a kind of “hibernation” at night, can they survive. Could all this have evolved or just happened?

Like the bumblebee, which also appears to completely defy the laws of physics in its ability to fly, the hummingbird is just as unique but is practically an aerodynamic perfection. Only God could have made such an efficient flying machine. No aeronautical engineer has ever designed anything close to this tiny marvel of flight!


And Fish?

The angler fish, the archer fish, and the anableps are three fish that literally swim in the face of evolution.

The female angler fish has a lure hanging from an appendage extending from the front of her nose. It lures fish close so that she can strike and swallow them. The male does not have one because he never eats. Rather, he attaches himself to the female, allowing the bloodstreams of both to merge, thus feeding him. Evolutionists cannot explain the angler fish.

The archer fish can shoot down bugs above the surface by squirting water at them. Water severely bends (refracts) light and should cause an impossible targeting problem for the fish. How do all archer fish instinctively know how to perfectly compute the severe angle of refraction of light in order to successfully hit their prey as they do?

The anableps is a fish with absolutely extraordinary eyes. They allow it to sit on the surface and see out of water and under water at the same time. Its eyes are literally divided into two entirely separate parts. How did evolution cause half an eye to gradually evolve so that it can see out of water and vice-versa with the other half?

What engineer has ever made such efficient submarines, whose design makes them perfect hunters, so well-suited for their needs and environment?

Alright guys. Lets hear your views. It's not over yet..................

Australian Termites

Next, we look at a tiny, little-known creature—the Australian termite. This particular termite differs from all others. Actually, it is four creatures in one, and each depends on the others for continued existence. This termite represents a case in which you cannot have one without all the others. Consider this:

“A curiosity I studied in microbiology class was a microorganism called Mixotricha Paradoxa that lives in the gut of Australian termites. When it was first discovered, it looked as if it was covered with a bunch of curly hairs. Looking at it closer, it was revealed that these were not hairs at all, but spirochetes, which were a totally different type of microorganism. On the Mixotricha, there were bumps or appendages where the spirochetes attached, and bacillus which lodged on the other side of the bump. The spirochetes provided a means of locomotion for the entire colony of microorganisms. They are three totally different germs that decided to live together in a community. So, what you have is an interdependence between a large microorganism, a spirochete, a bacillus, an Australian termite, and even the trees the termite feed upon. I suppose if you are an evolutionist, you would have to believe that at one point in time they formed a committee and decided to all work together; the Mixotricha ‘developing’ bumps where the spirochetes could bury their heads and behind which the bacillus could hide; all of whom ‘decided’ to live in the gut of a termite” (Douglas B. Sharp, The Revolution Against Evolution, ch. 5—emphasis mine).

Obviously, this illustrates the case for special creation of all these creatures at the same time. They could not have developed separately and ever made it to the point where they could “rendezvous” and forever spend their existence interdependent and together.

Koalas and Eucalyptus Trees

Most are familiar with cuddly koala “bears” and have at least heard of Eucalyptus trees. They have a special relationship. Each is native to only one place on Earth—Australia. Koalas eat nothing but eucalyptus leaves, often living their entire lives in one grove. They also derive moisture from these leaves because they almost never drink water.

Koalas possess specific microorganisms in their digestive systems necessary to break down the elements in eucalyptus leaves that are toxic to every other creature. These toxins are actually converted into vitamins. How did koalas evolve, unless they were created with these microorganisms already present in their stomachs? Without them, they would have eaten eucalyptus leaves and died. Yet their systems are so specific that they can only survive by eating eucalyptus leaves. Many naturalists consider them to have “the most advanced digestive system on the planet.” Their low 5% protein intake, with tannins and toxins, would kill other animals.

To reject special creation by a God, evolutionists are forced to conclude, “What luck for koalas that just the right microorganisms entered their systems at the exact same time that they developed a taste for eating only eucalyptus leaves.” This proves that God created koalas.

Alright! We're gradually nearing the end of this discourse. Stay tuned, I'll be back shortly!

chistev12:
I don't think any open minded person that has been following your posts since the beginning would doubt the existence of a creator.

Exactly, bro. I think most of them are having big time problem knowing which God Created all of these things, considering the fact that there are supposedly other gods. The identity of the Supreme Being responsible for all creation will be my next topic.

So that he (a terrorist) could get a presidential treat for a job well done.