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MaxInDHouse:
So it depends on the way you approach us that we will treat you, this is not your house where we come knocking but a public forum, here respect begats reciprocal!

So if one approach you with love, you'll also treat the person with love. If they approach you with hatred, you send it back to sender. If they come bringing insult, you give it to them fire for fire.

How are you then, a supposed "witness of Jehovah" different from sinners or just anybody out there who does not know God?

But if you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? For even sinners love those who love them. (Luke 6:32).

Do you think you're of any different to even the worst sinner?

falseprophet:
Look at how wild you are here because nobody knows who you are, of course you are anonymous here, but when you carry your bag and knock at people's doors you'll be pretending like an angel looking for who to devour.

I have to agree here, not because you're saying it but based on my own experience too.

I've had members of JW knocked on my door countless times. And on each occasion, what I see are civilized and soft spoken people with decency in conducts.

But shockingly here, what I see is the complete opposite of the former. In fact, conducts here only befits hooligans.

And it makes me wonder. Could it be that all those sanctimonious & gentle looking people I see knocking at my door in the name of JW are in fact ravaging wolves in sheep clothing? Could it also be that their peace some sort of have an ON & OFF button that is switched on when knocking on the door and off when leaving?

Okay. I'd pretend the ones here are the "bad eggs" among that body of "peace loving people".

Premiumwriter2:
I swear.

Mine is the absence of charges. Every time I check my first bank app, I go almost wan cry because of the red charges everywhere.

Even internet transfer, first bank de charge person

Yeah, another interesting feature. Zero charges on transactions except you exceed your limit.

somehow:
For almost 4 days now, none of my messages to them on all channels have been replied and almost 500k is hanging in the process.

Why is your money hanging?

Premiumwriter2:
please say what you know.

Kudabank response team is very efficient and I have been using them for over a year now. In fact I can proudly say I started when they were just starting out.

They are worth every effort to bank with. Every Nigerian should have an account with them as a matter of fact. No fees at all.

I even recently got an offer from them: loan of 50k at 0.3% interest per month, which bank in Nigeria can offer that?

Kuda is good, I've been using them too.

What I cherished most is the luxury of comfort it gives me in conducting my transactions right on my bedroom without any need of visiting the banking hall. Real definition of digital banking.

jesusjnr2020:
Lol! You don't even know that the righteousness of Law of Christ exceeds that of the Law of Moses

I want to believe the bold text was a mistake. So out of discernment, I've helped with the necessary correction.

Now, even after the correction, one can't still use the phrase "righteous Law" because it's a tautology. You either use righteous or Law, not both. Why? Because the Law is righteousness and righteousness is the Law (Psalm 119:172). Paul repeat the same thing:

So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. Romans 7:12

Take note of other attributes of the Law: holiness & goodness; the very essence and Person of God. Together, holiness, righteousness & goodness = God. And no wonder the Law is spiritual just like God (Romans 7:14, John 4:24).

Of course, you can say, "righteousness of the Law", as in Romans 8:4. Since there's righteousness in the Law, it means the Law is righteous and righteousness is the Law.

You may also want to quit using the phrase "law of Christ". This is because when speaking of the Law, i.e, the Ten Commandments, it was Christ, same God that issued it officially to the people at Mount Sinai (1 Corinthians 10:4).

So then, it has never been the Law of Moses or anybody else. It has always been the Law of Christ - of God. Take the necessary correction and be guided properly.

Dtruthspeaker:
is it grievous to refuse to sleep with your brother's and neighbour's wife?

Or is it hard to refuse defrauding thy neighbour?

Or is it painful to stick faithfully to the wife of thy youth?

Or is it madness to refuse stealing and dealing falsely and Lying one to another?

Or is it deadly to refuse to go awhoring and commit whoredom?

Obviously, what the Law forbids is the delight of his soul. Jesusjnr2020 loves those things.

I find it quite funny that a thread of this kind is coming from someone who does not even know what the Mosaic law is, for a start. And here he is, speaking of supposed differences between that law and that of Christ. Apparently, he also thinks Christ came bringing with Him new laws.

What an irony.

DappaD:
Take note that my response to your comment is only because you just came across misleading information so to help you out of that mire of confusion

Thank you for coming. Appreciated.

DappaD:
I’m responding to this otherwise I couldn’t care less what the other noisemakers have put up there. Also, I find it really absurd that people who aren’t Witnesses should be able to explain clearly what “dedication” is better than those who are the real Witnesses.

Falseprophet claimed years of experience as one, and no one can take his experience from him.

DappaD:
Yes, before a person becomes one of Jehovah’s Witnesses, he undergoes Bible study in order to take in and assimilate knowledge of Jehovah and his Son, Jesus(John 17:3), make the needed adjustments to his life style(Romans 12:2, Ephesians 4:22-24), repents of his sins(Acts 3:19), exercises faith in the ransom sacrifice of Jesus(John 3:16, Hebrews 9:14-15) and then he makes a vow to Jehovah God to do his will(Psalm 40:8.) before getting baptized(1Peter 3:21) Also there are a number of things that Jehovah requires of us when he dedicate ourselves to him(Exodus 34:14, Deuteronomy 6:5, 10:12) so he takes our vows to serve him forever very seriously. Ecclesiastes 5:4

Your list is fine except the bold text. All throughout scripture, we see on numerous occasions where God ratified a matter with an oath. For example, the promise He made on oath to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Genesis 50:24). Bounding himself through oath means the matter is irrevocable, and of course, He will always keep His promises. After all, He is God and not a man.

Now, on the individual angle, oaths were employed in judicial matters, to ratified an alliance or a friendship, to sealed one's utterance etc. Let's look at two notable vows in the bible for example: the case of Hannah and Jephthah (1 Samuel 1:11, Judges 11:30-40). We see that whilst Hannah's vow did went well, Jephthah wasn't so lucky, as he paid for it dearly. Also worthy of note in this two cases is that, they were personal vows devoid of group sanctioned or a religious body.

Furthermore, an oath or vow is a very serious matter, as shown in scriptural examples. Whoever make a vow must make sure to keep such vow because God will not hold him guiltless who reneges (Deuteronomy 23:21, 23, Numbers 30:2-16, Ecclesiastes 5:4-6). To those who reneges, it is akin to taking the Lord's name in vain and this violates the 3rd commandment (Leviticus 19:12, Exodus 20:7). And no wonder Jesus said this:

But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King, Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one. (Matthew 5:34-37)

So, an oath or vow of any kind, whether to God (who is in heaven) or anything else is totally uncalled for and needless. Besides, being in the service of God or doing His will is already a dedication on its own. One has already answered in the affirmative (Yes) before embarking on the journey. So again, a special vow is simply a needless yoke; a burden.

DappaD:
So contrary to what some have said, we are constantly reminded that we dedicate ourselves, not to any human or organization, but to Jehovah God himself and no one else.

I understand you perfectly, or should I say, the zeal. But then, one does not need a vow to act as a reminder or to show how committed we are to God. Working under an oath or vow is like working under a self inflicted duress. True worshippers must worship God in spirit and in truth (John 4:23). Anything else is overzealousness.

DappaD:
Jesus himself while he was on earth dedicated his entire life to service of his Father, why can we say this? Because at John 4:34, he made a statement that sort of mirrors Psalm 40:8 that I earlier quoted where Jesus said: “My food is to do the will of him(Jehovah) who sent me” so Jehovah’s Witnesses today are also following in Jesus’ footsteps(1Peter 2:21) by dedicating our lives to serve Jehovah and being Jesus’ disciples. Matthew 16:24

There's absolutely nothing wrong in living a life of dedication to God. In fact, a true Christian or worshiper is dedicated by default, hence, no need of a special vow to some sort of activate that dedication. That is the point.

All the same, thank you for your time once again. I must also say (this is no flattery) that you were able to pass your message across without needless insults and excessive clownish displays like MaxInDHouse and others would do. Perhaps, just perhaps they'd learn one or two things from you.

Many thanks.

achorladey:
Your yes equally requires you to follow directions that are not STRATEGIC or made sense from human standpoint should you value your SALVATION. Hence you see articles with CAPTION e.g PUT FAITH IN A VISIBLE ORGANIZATION. By now you should understand the visible part of the ORGANIZATION every member must rest their faith upon.

Incredible.

falseprophet:
The oath is real, they call it "dedication" which is a special vow you make to "Jehovah" to remain loyal to their governing body, you are expected to keep up with your vow forever, failure to do that will result to shunning which includes ostracizing you and even your family will not eat from same plate with you.

I have seen that happen many times.

That's why @op will go the extra mile in claiming "dedication" is mandatory to gain salvation, something not thought or mentioned anywhere in the bible!

That is serious.

Whilst there's nothing wrong in submitting to those God has appointed as leaders, in fact, we are instructed to submit to them (Hebrews 13:17), we are not told that such submission is accompanied by an oath, neither is it a requirement from God.

Perhaps the oath thing explains why people like the Op will go into abyss defending and affirming lies and falsehood, not minding what the scripture or God is actually saying. If an oath is taken to obey the so-called governing body, then heeding instructions such as 1 Thessalonians 5:21 becomes impossible. I mean how can one PROVE conscientiously what the governing body is teaching when you're under oath to remain loyal? Even if one were to prove and find anything contrary to God, but for the blind oath, such a person is technically silenced and kept under chained.

Initially I thought MaxInDHouse's lies and falsehood were products of indoctrination, ignorance and pride. But now, I think there's a new perspective to it.

You may want to take a look at this encounter https://www.nairaland.com/6616284/gods-moral-law-10-commandments/3#103054853 I had with him, to prove my claims against Max.

falseprophet:
Before you know it you guys will go further into initiating them through an oath called "dedication" disguised as a promise made to God, in reality they threaten you with it anytime you go out of line in not doing everything governing body says including killing your life's ambitions, giving hours of your time preaching and sometimes make you quit your job to become a fulltime pioneer!

At the bold claims, how true is this report of yours? Like for whatever reason, there's an oath to be taken?

NewSoul:
I actually stumbled on the popular post of that guy from 2016. "From pastor to atheist". It shook me. But I noticed he has been off for more than a year. Is he alive? Hope he's not dead and in hell.

Popular thread then, where Hardmirror chronicled his failures as a so-called pastor. Unfortunately, he took the frustrations on God instead of those who made him a "pastor".

I hope he is alive. But even if he was death, he'll simply be in his grave. Short & simple.

NewSoul:
I just don't want to die like a chicken and wake up as a roasting barbecue in hell. Help me get rid of this fear o

Hilarious.

But, rather than worrying about the non existent, worry about being that ash that another will trampled upon.

There's no barbecue in hell. Find the nearest grill stand and eat all you want before it's too late.

awitness41:
Hi Splin.z. I believe you might from the Church of God (7th Day one) due to certain things you said in this post.

Hello bro, I'm neither from the Church of God nor an Adventist. Let's just say am a bible student.

awitness41:
I'm not, nor am I an Adventist. But I do keep the Sabbath (I don't need to say which one to you).

Oh good. You do well.

awitness41:
I doubt this will change your mind about a smaller certain matter of discernment amid the points you were making in this thread, but thought maybe you might want to read it anyway.

Be assured that IF it is the truth, then repentance is next.

awitness41:
I myself find it in line with Bible Truth, but if you don't want to read it, or don't believe it, no worries. I'll still look for your name out here in Nairaland knowing you are a seeker of Truth !

Thank you. We are on the same path of finding truth and embracing it.

Now, concerning the material you sent me:

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So I've gone through it, and now I'd also share with you my findings.

The material argues the three days and three nights phrase, whether it was actually complete 72 hours. At the end, the writer ended up supporting the Friday - Sunday buried and resurrection, using mostly what he called "inclusive reckoning of time", which captures such phrases like "within three days, after three days, on the third day" etc, all describing the time period of Jesus burial and resurrection. He also talked about events of the time like the "high day" and so on. To be fair to the writer, he did employed all the arsenals at his disposal and I believe he wrote the article to the best of his knowledge. Great job.

Interestingly, the writer uses Luke 13:32 to count his three days or third day. It reads

And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third day I shall be perfected

indeed, the period is three days counted in its entirety. Clever.

However, after everything has been said and done, I found that he left out Jesus definition of how many hours are in a day (John 11:9), either by omission or commission, I don't know. In fact, we also know, even a child, how many hours are in a day and how many is in a night, and also that day and night are two different period. Also generally speaking, when people talked of a 24 hour period which comprises of day & night, nobody says, for example, "I'm giving you one day & one night, two days & two nights". Instead, what is said is "I'm giving you one day or two days" and this is automatically understood to be 24 hours or 42 hours period as the case may be. This mean the night is always silent.

The writer would have easily get away with his attempts of minimizing Jesus length of time in the tomb to whatever timeframe he wants if not for an obvious problem: the only sign Jesus gave. Luke 13:32 when strictly interpreted according to Jesus amount of hours in a day, the three days or third day amounts to a total of 36 hours, i.e, 12x3=36. But something is missing: NIGHTS. Remember in the sign Jesus gave, He is to be in the grave "three days and three nights", just like Jonah. And according to common sense, day and night are two different period of time comprising of 12 hours each. So if we are to calculate Jesus sign, it goes like this:

1. Three days = 36 hours,

2. Three nights = 36 hours

Total hours = 72 hours. Simple mathematics.

Going back to Luke 13:32, only three days or third day is mentioned, with nights missing or staying silent as always. If nights were to be added to what Jesus said, it goes like this:

And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day (and to night) and to morrow, and the third day (and third night) I shall be perfected

sounds odd isn't it? Yes it is, just like nobody explicitly spelt out night when speaking of a 24 hours period. They simply say "day". But is daylight a total of 24 hours? Answer is emphatic no! So when everything is tied together, the sign Jesus gave, how many hours are in daylight and the general perception of a "day", the "third day" mentioned in Luke 13 must of necessity, be accompanied by a "third night or three nights" just as Jesus prophesied. In other words, a total of 24 hours in each day mentioned. Total hours when added together as already done above is 72 hours!

Brother, there's no twisting or use of technicalities that can change this truth. Jesus spent nothing more or less than 72 hours in the grave. Undisputed. So again, the late Friday burial and early Sunday morning resurrection tradition still stand as a fraud it is. Oh yes, a fraud. The history is out there for anyone to read.

Now, let's share one final blow that knocked off once and for all the Friday-Sunday tradition for what it is. Daniel 9:26-27, KJV:

And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined

. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate

The prophecy when understood, Christ was to confirm the covenant for one week. According to the day-for-a-year principle, the seven days of that week equal seven years. Yet, in the midst of the week, the Messiah was to cause the sacrifice and oblations to cease. This was done by offering His own life to cover the sins of all humanity, as part of God’s Plan of salvation. The Messiah was “cut off” (vs. 26) in the “midst of the week”—after 3½ “days,” or prophetic years. His earthly ministry lasted precisely 3½ years. Then He was cut off—crucified—in the middle of the week—Wednesday. Christ’s crucifixion took place on Passover day, the 14th of Abib (or Nisan), the first month in God’s Sacred Calendar. This occurred in the year A.D. 31, in which Passover fell on a Wednesday. According to the Roman calendar, this date was Wednesday, April 25.

This is a sure and verifiable prophecy that happens the same way Daniel prophesied it. Christ died in the middle of the week. Is Friday a middle of the week? Be the judge.

Thank you so much for the mentioned.

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PS: Just in case anyone is still ignorant of how their precious Sunday service tradition was invented, and by extension, the Friday-Sunday death & resurrection concoction, here's something to ponder on:

A rule of faith, or a competent guide to heaven, must be able to instruct all the truths necessary for salvation. Now the Scriptures alone do not contain all the truths which a Christian is bound to believe, nor do they explicitly enjoin all the duties which he is obliged to practice. Not to mention other

example, is not every Christian obliged to sanctify Sunday and abstain on that day from unnecessary servile work? Is not the observance of this law among the most promising of our sacred duties? But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify".------Cardinal Gibbons (20th century Roman Catholic theologian).

Sunday worshipers, behold the history and origin of your beloved Sunday service tradition. Know your history; know your origin!

Bishopkingsley:
That explains everything no day is special

All I see in you is a man desperately grasping at straws, as each fantasy is debunked one after the other.

I understand your dilemma, honestly I do. I mean supposing you're a bishop truly, who's accustomed to Sunday service man-made tradition, the sheep in your care knowing fully well too, how will you start telling them that look, the Sabbath law must be kept on the seventh-day, Saturday, as kept and instructed by God? The reputational damages and lost such as membership, friends & family, finances etc, can only be imagined.

But like Peter and John:

But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye (Acts 4:19)

One wonders why the whole world (deceives by Satan anyway, Rev. 12:9) somehow agrees with nine of God's commandments but vehemently and constantly kicked and rubbish one, the 4th and Sabbath law. What is it about this law that Satan hates so much? What's so special about it? Could it be that it indicts the world of wrongdoing?

I wished you had an idea.

Bishopkingsley:
My brother I told you forget about that part I wrote because he resurrected on Sunday

Okay. In other word, you agree that Jesus did not resurrect on Sunday. That's fine, though it would have been better with a Yes or No answer. But it's okay.

So the argument has once again changed from "Jesus Sunday resurrection" claimed to "showing how the disciples kept Sunday service".

It's okay. But of course, we will, together, prove it one more time, whether Paul was keeping Sunday service with the brethren.

Bishopkingsley:
Now I show u why Sunday service is not a sin

Acts 20:7
King James Version
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight

The whole point, actually the tradition of Sunday service or worship, is mostly taken from the bold statement above, which is generally believed that the phrase "break bread" means the disciples were keeping service and eating holy communion on Sunday. As for "preaching" there, except you want to tell me that people who go for what is called "house fellowship" are also keeping Sunday service. Is that so?

Now, let's look at what it means to "break bread". In fact, do a simple google search on it. You'll see that it's neither a religious coinage nor anything sacred. The phrase simply mean to share a meal with a friend or family. As a very good example, attached at the end is a report from Reuters, using the phrase "break bread" to show how former US president, Donald Trump was going for a breakfast with Apple's Chief Executive. Can we say that Trump was going for a holy communion or it was a religious gathering on Sunday?

So what happened in Acts 20:7 is very simple:

1. The disciples were not meeting on Sundays for any supposed Sunday service,

2. Paul met the disciples on the first day of the week, on a Sunday, because he was supposed to travel the next day. And he was preaching and admonishing the people till it gets deep into midnight, the next day. And because they have spent long hours, people were hungry obviously, so food was brought in and they ate together.

In essence, what Paul had with the disciples in Acts 20:7 is likened to a "house fellowship" or a meeting of friends, like what Trump did, where they get to discussed issues of interest, not Sunday service; a religious obligation.

By the way, did you not previously said that the commandment was thrown opened for everyone to do as they wished, worshipping whenever they want? Why Sunday now, a specific day?

You keep changing like the wind. But let he who has ear hear.

Bishopkingsley:
because Jesus resurrected on Sunday. Really an interesting storyline.

Answer no

Kingsley don't be like this. It's horrible for someone who bears "bishop" as a designation.

Question is: Did Jesus resurrect on Sunday? Yes or No?

Dtruthspeaker:
No sir, The Law Expressly said the 7th Day and that This Law lasts Forever.

So as you say that the 10 Commandments are in force, you also say the Law of the 7th Day is in force.

Oh Dtruth, you're here. Welcome. Please tell Kingsley more.

Bishopkingsley:
Because Jesus arose from the dead on the first day of the week, Sunday

Quite an interesting changed of gear. From Jesus (according to you) explaining that you don't have to follow His own example, and Paul telling you that look, you don't have to keep that Sabbath on Saturday but any day you feel like; according to your own impulses. Now, it is because Jesus resurrected on Sunday. Really an interesting storyline.

But of course, we will, together, prove this Jesus Sunday resurrection claim of yours, and hold on to what can be proven, right and true, in line with the scripture. 1 Thessalonians 5:21.

Jesus gave a sign, actually an only sign, that shows that He was the Messiah, and that sign was the sign of Jonah (Matthew 16:4). And what is Jonah's sign? Three days and three nights. In other words, Jesus is saying that just as Jonah was in the whale's belly for three days and three nights, so will it be with His death and resurrection.

Furthermore, He went on to explained how many hours are in a day. He said a day is made up of 12 hours (John 11:29). That means, 12 in a day and another 12 in a night. So going by the sign Jesus gave us, He was to be in the grave for a total of 72 hours, nothing more and nothing less. If He fails this sign the exact way He prophesied it, then He is not our saviour but an imposter; fake. But of course, let God be true and every man a liar (Romans 3:4).

Now, it's time to calculate Jesus sign from your late Friday to early morning burial and resurrection. If going by your tradition that Jesus died on a Friday (late Friday or evening) or what is commonly called "Good Friday" and was buried, kindly calculate, using Jesus definition of a day, the period between Friday evening and early morning Sunday claimed resurrection. Is it up to 3 days and three nights; a total of 72 hours?

If it is not up to 72 hours, then what you have as "Jesus" is an imposter or what is called "another Jesus" (2 Corinthians 11:4, KJV).

And no wonder this Jesus is teaching against God's commandments like the Sabbath law, and also failing the sign of the living Jesus. No wonder!

Bishopkingsley:
My friend Saturday Sabbath is any day u want as explained by Jesus and Paul

You mean Jesus kept the Sabbath any day He wanted?

Bishopkingsley:
I have given you a clear meaning

Thanks for your twisted and funny meaning. But no thanks.

Bishopkingsley:
Not must to keep it on Saturday

You mean Paul was teaching us not to follow Jesus own example of keeping the Sabbath on Saturday, but to do as it's right in your head?

Interesting.

Bishopkingsley:
If you won't take revived version kindly explain what it means

Sabbath was made for man

Then explain

and not man for the Sabbath"

Explained already. You may want to go back to my first response. This time, please go through it carefully.

Bishopkingsley:
Buy William Shakespeare, book and read you won't understand one thing until you read the revised version of it

Don't you think you're being ignorant and arrogant? Kingsley, learn to speak for yourself without generalizing.

Bishopkingsley:
Mark 2:27, NLT: "Then Jesus said to them, 'The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath."

Mark 2:27, KJV: "And the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath". Keep your so-called revised version.

Bishopkingsley:
No use definition when you don't understand English read this below

Mark 2:27, NLT: "Then Jesus said to them, 'The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath."

Here's it: "And the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath" (Mark 2:27, KJV).

Do you have problem with comprehension?

Bishopkingsley:
Mark 2:27, NLT: "Then Jesus said to them, 'The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath."

Mark 2:27, KJV: "And the Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath".

Bishopkingsley:
I rather chose God's way than you own

You mean His way of keeping the Sabbath on the seventh-day, Saturday, and leaving for us an example? If you do this, you do well.

Do not follow the ways of the heathens.

Bishopkingsley:
In oder words what Jesus was saying to them is sabbath Saturday worship is

deprived of practical significance

Is this how you twist your own?

Bishopkingsley:
No one can condemn you on Saturday worship

Because you can't condemn Jesus own example, as explained in Mark, Matthew & Colossians.

Saturday, the seventh-day Sabbath kept by Jesus and an example left for the people of God.

Bishopkingsley:
Paul words are clear

Colossians 2:16
Colossians 2:16, NLT: "So don't let anyone condemn you for not celebrating Sabbaths, or
celebrating certain holy days (including Saturday)

Just as it is clear in Hebrews 4:9. Why are you contradicting Paul?

Bishopkingsley:
Don't hurt your self on insisting on Saturday

How can one be hurt by following God's own example and footsteps? Again, think about it.

Bishopkingsley:
Jesus is our sabbath that sabbath law is Jesus our rest

More correctly, He gave the Sabbath law, kept it Himself and left for us an example to follow.

Do you have a problem with Jesus example?

Bishopkingsley:
No day is special

Wrong. There's a special day, Saturday (Genesis 2:3).

Bishopkingsley:
When you insist on Saturday day as the only day to worship then you no longer worship God u worship that day

I didn't set the example, Jesus did, and left His perfect example to be followed. What problem do you have with His example?

Bishopkingsley:
Our God is not limited to a particular day Saturday

Don't you think that God knew before setting aside a day to rest, even though He needed no rest?

Bishopkingsley:
You can worship him forever

Of course, yes. Does that invalidate what is a direct command?

Bishopkingsley:
Fourth Commandment:
Jesus set the example for us of keeping the seventh-day Sabbath (Luke 4:16), during Jesus time it was a particular day Saturday

And He left for us an example, that we should follow His steps (1 Peter 2:21).

And by your own admission, the example Christ left for us regarding the 4th commandment was keeping the Sabbath not just on any day He feels like but on the ordained seventh-day which is Saturday.

Therefore, since we are instructed to follow His perfect example, we must keep the Sabbath on the seventh-day Saturday, not Sunday, the 1st day of the week or any other day.

Bishopkingsley:
but Jesus clarified....
that God had given the Sabbath as a gift to the people he had created (Mark 2:27).

I don't understand what you mean by "gift". Mark 2:27 reads:

And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath

and there's a short story behind this teaching.

In verse 23, Jesus and His disciples were going through the grainfields and along the way, His disciples began to pick some heads of grain to satisfy immediate hunger. The Pharisees seeing them, and being that they have created their own self-righteous way of keeping the Sabbath, i.e, deciding for themselves what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath, asked Jesus why His disciples are violating the Sabbath, verse 24. So Jesus went on to tell those busybody Pharisees that the Sabbath was made (who made it? God) for man and not the other way round, i.e, it was not man that made the Sabbath. Further breaking it down, man has no right to decide on the Sabbath (like the Pharisees were doing), since it was not man who made it.

Also, since Jesus did not fault the disciples for breaking the law (not that the law was broken), it shows that what they did was permissible. After all, He is Lord - Master - Owner of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:8 ). By extension, it means certain things are permissible on the Sabbath. For example, cooking to satisfy immediate hunger, and other emergencies.

Bishopkingsley:
Paul explained more Colossians 2:16

King James Bible
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

Paul couldn't have possibly explained here that the Sabbath is no longer valid, neither did he condemned it. Careless reading will make one think this way.

Now, look at the word in bold and think about Mark 2:27 again, explained above. Can a man decide or judge the Sabbath? Emphatic no! So then, Paul is simply repeating the same thing Christ taught.

Or how could Paul have condemned the Sabbath and then went on to remind us that the Sabbath remains for the people of God? (Hebrews 4:9).

Bishopkingsley:
Now any day can be your worshiping day any day can be the day you want to receive God's gift since Jesus said it a gift

Impossible. Is it no longer a commandment but a free for all, everyone doing as they like?

It may interest you to know that the seventh-day, Saturday, isn't just another day. It's a special day blessed and set aside by God Himself for a purpose (Genesis 2:3). Which other day carries such blessedness?

Think about it.

Hanibbal:
Only God knows how old this earth is let's say people who have lived on this earth at a time are still here plus our present generation what would have happened. I can't imagine the overcrowding.

If it is believed that God is the creator of the universe, with earth being the inhabitable planet for man. Also that, there are other planets in which there are no living things, you know, kind of "empty rooms", don't you think at worst, any of these rooms could have been converted to man's estate? I'm also thinking like a man.

And when the wisdom of God is applied, shall He who created ALL things not know how to sustain His own creation? For this is His wisdom, "With God all things are possible" (Matthew 19:26).

SimplyShit:
Which neighbor? The only neighbor I have is Simplyleo and I will never ever love him


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