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Revelation1:
Read the topic again.

matrix600:
I see that, you obviously need sense, what part of giving your life to the service of god is classified as 'burnt'. Bros the verse is clear enough, 'burnt offering' means burnt offering.

You must be an idiot. Can't you express your own views without stooping to a slowpoke level

frank317:
Good, now close ur eyes in shame and declare u dishonest thread closed.

Next time when opening a thread to sell lies, remember that no everyone is a fool.

You're not making any sense bro. If you're through, kindly move aside for more intelligent comments from those who can understand.

Bye...

Revelation1:
What answer?

Are we christians truly worshipping the true God?

Revelation1:
Are we christians truly worshipping the true God?

frank317:
See ya life... Who is arguing with u on if burnt offering means sacrifice.... Incase u are lost, we are trying to understand the kind of SACRIFICE. So stop telling me burnt offering means sacrifice, u are not talking to uneducated kids

Are reverend fathers who give their life as service to God also giving Thier lives as burnt offering?

Like I said, u have given a whole new meaning to burnt offering. Tell the holy spirit who interpreted this for u that it has failed.

According to u, when an animal is given to God as burnt offering, it means it's life has been given to God as service to God.

This is shameful.

frank317:
What are u doing...U have practically given a whole new meaning to burnt offering... Pleas what has burnt got to do with service of God?

Are u trying to say reverend father's or sister who give their life to service of God are giving burnt offering to God?

frank317:
It was burnt offering that's why the man was sad. He was going to lose his daugther to death, that's why he felt really bad when he saw her.

You mean it wasn't also sad enough that he was going to give up his one and only child to the services of God, without any hope of being a grandfather or preserving his lineage

hopefulLandlord:
And I refused your own understanding, and you're also free to do same. This is a public forum were views are shared, which is what I've done by attending to this thread. You either believe it or not, I'm not forcing it down anybody throat!

Again, Jephthah simply offered his daughter to the Lord as BURNT OFFERING

hopefulLandlord:
actually you're the one trying very hard to force your own explanation on me and the readers



actually NO ONE in the entire bible except Jephthah ever vowed to sacrifice someone as a burnt offering to Yahweh either, i challenge you to bring anyone else who did and replaced the sacrifice with something else

the latter part of his vow made it very clear as day that he's talking burnt offering and that's a fact!!!!

he promised that whatever comes out would be Yahweh's, good! but he also added the burnt offering clause to it which makes it totally different from the offering you're trying to force me and other readers to accept

do not try to muddle things up by bringing unrelated bible verses into this discussion, such tricks can work when you're gathered with your fellows but not on Nairaland where everyone can think independently and bring objections and arguments; this is not a church

all you've done so far is try to bully someone into accepting that the latter part of his vow wasn't made

"and I shall offer it to you as BURNT offering"

hopefulLandlord:
bros, it seems you don't understand this

this interpretation you're giving about Jephthah is the type you give when you and your fellow Christians are gathered, when you try to tell someone outside your faith it becomes an issue

"Fruit of lips" what other fruit can lips give?

its obvious its only "words"


but "BURNT OFFERING" is one way and one way alone, "BURNT OFFERING"

he first said "it shall be the Lords" if he had stopped there your explanation would've been very meaningful, you don't even need to create a thread on this BUT he added "AND I SHALL OFFER IT AS BURNT OFFERING"

that latter part of his vow makes it very specific that he's not promising living sacrifice but a burnt one if it were living he wouldn't have specified it

what you're doing now is attempting to do away with the latter part and to prove this, try an experiment; ignore the latter part and you'll see your explanation hits the spot

Do not try to force your own understanding on me. It is obvious you have yours, and I also have mine.

I find it hypocritical on your part that you could interpret sacrifice of praise another way, but not burnt offering. And I ask you again: how come you know that sacrifice of praise doesn't literally mean "sacrificing praise" but words of the mouth?

It is just like some people will sing: "Holy Ghost fire... fire fall on me...". Are these people saying that fire should consume them literally

All throughout the whole Bible, the only sacrifices offered to God were either animal sacrifices or fruits of humans. Also in the same Bible, God clearly abhorred and condemned in strongest of terms human sacrifices as done by the Amorites and the rest of the people to their gods- Ashtoreth, Molech, etc. So why would He suddenly welcomes a human sacrifice from Jephthah, the very thing He abhorred?

Lets not waste our time. This argument wouldn't lead us anywhere.

hopefulLandlord:
bros, look for another example, this one fails obviously

it has no harmony, the Hannah example you gave also fails in the sense that Hannah never vowed to sacrifice Samuel as "BURNT OFFERING" look for another example

so far my claims have been straightforward

1 he vowed that whatever comes out to him would be the Lord's and he'll SACRIFICE AS BURNT OFFERING to God

2 He was sad when his only daughter came to him

3 the daughter told him to do to her as he vowed

4 he did to her as he vowed

the story is pretty straightforward and till you show me where someone promised "BURNT OFFERING" but carried out another type of offering, you're just grasping at straws

Same thing bro. Until you prove otherwise, that she was actually slaughtered or burnt to dead, you're not really saying anything.

The question is: why ain't you taking sacrifice of praise which you've translated as "fruit of lips", literally too since burnt offering must be taken as it is

hopefulLandlord:
bros, you're not talking to a novice here, I decided to open the Bible verse you quoted

Hebrew 13:15

Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise—the fruit of lips that openly profess his name.


what has this got to do with Jephthah promising to sacrifice whatever comes out to meet him after battle as "BURNT OFFERING"? then " Do to her as he had vowed"?

"Burnt Offering" is clearly the vow so I honestly don't know what you're getting at here

Ioannes:
I'll bet I'm older than your church. Which year did your pastor start his church to start scamming you?

The true church started in AD 31. And as we have it today, it is directly traced from Ephesus (the first era of God's true Church) to Laodicea (the last and present era of the Church). See Rev. chapter 2 & 3.

I know this is strange understanding to your ears... . I know you don't know that the living Jesus Christ (not one perpetually dead one on your cross, which is nothing but an idol, Exodus 20:4) assigned seven eras to His Church.

Of course I can also understand and bear with you. These things are only taught by the true Church, not the false one...

Ioannes:
Look at this apostate heretic asking me what I know about Christianity.

Apostate heretic according to your false church?

Wilgrea7:
expect replies like..

* the things of God cannot be understood with a carnal mind*

*there are certain things you need the holy spirit to reveal to you *

etc.. and when all help fails they'll threaten you with hell for insulting their doctrine..

I'm a Christian but i don't believe in the Trinity

nunamyeong:
people counterfeiting splinz... just find a leisure time n good internet phone then carry ur bible then read the book of Daniel very well and Revelation.. from there you will know if catholic is the true church or not...

The truth be told all this celebration we had christmas is not of Jesus christ and sabbath day being sunday is a lie also.. Read those book well n understand if u have any problem about lemme know i will explain to u the little i did understand.

Ioannes:
Before you're misled by this false information, I want y'all to read what I got within two seconds about the original author of the post posted by op.

https://www.gotquestions.org/restored-church-of-god.html

Be wary of false prophets and antichrists.

Op. Give your life to Christ and stop misleading people with false information.

What is it you know about Christianity We know those who claimed to be apostles but are not, ravaging wolves in sheep's clothing.

Deal with the truths as it concerned your false church! Attacking the messenger and not the message will do you no good!

Ioannes:
Lol there are passages where God actually instructed the kings of Israel to massacre another kingdom men, women and children and that none should be spared.

You don't known the mind of God. Nobody knows.

hopefulLandlord:
Oga apologist, Bewailing virginity does not mean she wasn't killed

Ioannes:
God doesn't answer to anybody. If he asked somebody to sacrifice their son for him, then so be it.

Ioannes:
Obviously you missed my point.

Ioannes:
If the Bible says she was then she was. Simple.

God does not answer to any created being , visible and invisible.

He created everything and he does whatever he likes with it all.

We are his possession.

tempem:
Imagine!! Dunno why some peeps wouldn't just bury their shame and respect the Bible....
Trinitarians agrees that the word isn't in the Bible. They agrees to the fact that the Bible doesn't call the Holy Spirit a God.
They agree that the concept "three Gods in one" is no where to be found in the Bible..
They do if not often read 1 Timothy 2:5 where it's states that " For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus
Satan is indeed wicked..

johnw74:
It seems like many other so called christian religions-sects have sprung from that same counterfeit movement,
jehovah's witnesses etc.