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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 12:04am On Jan 08, 2024
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Religious power is more intoxicating than political power.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 11:49pm On Jan 07, 2024
Roland17:
You like fight pass trouble… grin
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 11:42pm On Jan 07, 2024
Jodera:
I no even watch match sef. As I see lineup especially that forward 3, I wasn't motivated.

I just dey my dey
But you check Livescore talk true undecided
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 11:37pm On Jan 07, 2024
Roland17:
My people say, na wen pesin wake up na him be him morning..

Nwanem Good Morning!
He is at fault for his poor game plan and management. This was what led to panic subs. He could have brought on Nketiah and moved Kai to midfield earlier in the game. What a dunce angry
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 7:33pm On Jan 07, 2024
Roland17:
If I talk now dem go say na hate. Look at Liverpool's line up, look our own. He can't develop and integrate anything but other teams are using players from their academy to flog him.
Arteta is so useless to me right now I wish he gets sacked tomorrow morning. So useless foool.

He had a better bench and his team were missing chances but the malu waited until they scored to make changes. What a daft human being.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 7:36pm On Jan 06, 2024
Jodera:
You blasphemed when you graded Giroud and Rvp in the same class and say that they are on Par.

Any other thing wey you wan talk na Shalaye until you "unblaspheme" that talk.

Else, you go deh waste your time with endless Shalaye.

Thank you!!
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 7:32pm On Jan 06, 2024
Jodera:
You're a joke!!!

Anybody who watched Xhaka knows that Xhaka under Wenger/Emery and Xhaka under Arteta are two different Xhakas and it certainly not because of goals.

But how would you know when na livescores you dey watch tongue
Instead of wanking on my commitment to live scores why don't you use your mb to explain what Arteta added to Xhaka apart from goals. Has Xhaka ever scored a brace before Arteta or a header or make a late run into the box for a tap in?

Lol. You go run for my matter o. I sabi ball pass una
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 7:30pm On Jan 06, 2024
germaphobe:
I said I won't choke mouth for this una argument, but nawah!!......... Which goals sef?, How many goals, nawah!!!. Xhaka wey all of us watched from Wenger down to Emery?. Nawah!!
Why don't you stop wasting cyberspace shouting nawa upandan and utilise it by explaining what you mean. Tell us what Arteta added to Xhaka's game apart from goals. Is it passing or tackling or what? Just to help you, Xhaka touched the ball fewer times under Arteta than before Arteta. Oya tell us.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 7:27pm On Jan 06, 2024
Shegzdave:
Thank you!

And Giroud was average for us, though not very average sha
Fair enough
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 7:25pm On Jan 06, 2024
AnfieldFan:
At the bolded, for Liverpool or for Netherlands?

Even at that, reducing what Lampard did for his team and what Ward does currently to just scoring goals doesn't capture their true influence on the pitch...
Bellingham has scored a lot of goals for Madrid, and while it has won them points and helped them lead La Liga, Bellingham is still an ever important player when he doesn't score...
What makes Bellingham stand out? His goals or his passing/tackling?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 4:43pm On Jan 06, 2024
Jodera:
Who "highly rate" ward prowse? cheesy

Yes, he is so highly rated that no big team considered him and even his nation never considered him even when they're calling his teammates. He is so highly rated that a big team called "West Ham" who nearly relegated last season bought him from his own relegated club at the age of "29".
Yeah .. Make pant deh wear me grin

To you to think lampard is known for only goals deh muse me. Try watch lampard game live(not livescores pls grin) and you'll know he'll still be a highly rated Midfielder even without that amount of goals.

And please, it's not only goals that made Xhaka a highly rated Midfielder to us arsenal fans. Two seasons ago when he scored only 4 goals, (when arteta advanced him as an LAM), he was loved as we could see he was influencing games as never before. Even last season, before he scored that 2 dead rubber goals in the last match, he was also one of Arsenal favourite with 5 goals(prior to the last match). So no, goals was not the main criteria on why arsenal loved Xhaka before he left.
The only thing Xhaka added to his game under Arteta was goals. Anything else?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 4:41pm On Jan 06, 2024
Shegzdave:
Like I said, I don’t judge a player based on stats cause it can make a bum look world class.

So a quick question, are you in anyway insinuating that RVP and Giroud are at par or Giroud is better?
I will answer you straight with patience.

First of all, I am not arguing Giroud Vs RVP.

Secondly I have never said Giroud is better. I'd be stupid to do that.

Thirdly what I am arguing is if Giroud was 'very
very average' for Arsenal according to Jodera. (Please note that by saying very very average' it a kind way of saying useless)

To buttress my point I compared his years with us to that of other strikers. (Jodera and co only hooked on to RVP simply because it was a cheap score. That's because RVP was not the only striker I brought up, I also brought up Adebayor and Lacazette)

My point is that given that Giroud has a G/G of 0.42 close to RVP 0.47 or Adebayor 0.43. We cannot emphatically say that he was useless unless we also want to say that RVP and Adebayor are useless.

Any argument should have been against Giroud not for RVP. For example they could have argued that Giroud did not contribute much to assists or that Giroud never instilled confidence in his teammates. That's OK. There was no need to start arguing in favour of RVP because that is not the purpose in the first place.

I hope?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 4:25pm On Jan 06, 2024
Jodera Nwanne I know say your new year resolution na to argue every point I make whether it makes sense to you or not. But let me warn you, you are about to lose all your credentials. Lol.

Can we do Odegaard Vs Ozil? tongue
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 4:22pm On Jan 06, 2024
Jodera:
Lmaooo, You don't know what you're talking about if you think Lampard is all about Goals. Someone that have one of the best passing range and vision is whom you say is all about Goals?
Na now I really confirm say you be stats master grin

As for ward-prowse. There's a reason why he's not a highly rated Midfielder aside his deadballs specialty. Like I said as usual, keep on watching Livescores iyeh .

You can call it self delusion but na only person wey dey watch stats will make its first point of call to grade a Cm/Am with goals instead of the creativity and balance they bring in midfield.
Stay there make pant they wear you. Ward-Prowse is highly rated that's why West Ham signed him and that's why he is a main stay in their midfield and that's because of what he is special at.

Some midfielders are good at one thing or the other. Some passing, some tackling, some pressing, some goals. What ever it is will sell that player. Therefore when midfielders are being graded, we don't only look at passing or tackling, we can also look at goal contributions. In fact that was one of the things Arteta added to make Xhaka a fan favourite.

Like I said, dey there make pant dey wear you 😁😁😁
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m):
Jodera:
You don't get it?
The first thing people rate Midfielder are your ability to control, be creative and dictate tempo. Saying they're at par in goals is you not saying anything if he still ghosts in midfield when he's suppose to be creative, control Midfield and bring stability.
Nobody likes wannabe McTom kinda performance

Odegaard for example in the season we finished 5th scored only league goals if I'm not mistaken but guys here was already happy for what he brings.

My point is that don't be clever by half.

Is Havertz better than Xhaka so far?
Yes or No?
There are many midfielders whose specialty is goals. From Lampard to Ward-Prose to Wijnaldum. Some do not even contribute significantly to control. Their job is to make a late run into scoring positions. I know that Wenger wanted Ramsey to grow into that kind of player. Meaning that goals can still be a yardstick to judge midfielders.

That said, there's what is called self delusion. That is someone trying to convince himself of what he knows is not true. What is not true here is that I said Havertz is a better player than Xhaka. When I have already said that though they are at par on goals but Xhaka gives more control. You are now free to believe what you want.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 1:39pm On Jan 06, 2024
Jodera:
Is this not what we expect from a good Midfielder?
Bringing that creativity, control and stability in midfield?

Like I said, keep on watching Livescores.

Imagine saying Havertz and Xhaka are on par presently because of goals scored and not because of what they bring in midfield.

Let's use Rice for example. You think it's the goals he scored that's making people hype him the way he's been hyped presently?

Na wa to you ooo
Lol.

You know that whenever agenda wants to agenda, people start calling ship sheep. Because I know that comprehension is not an issue for you.

I said their goals contributions are at par but Xhaka brings more than Kai. How is this wrong? Your agenda no make sense bro.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 1:33pm On Jan 06, 2024
Shegzdave:
Can you check their minutes played and compare it with their goals scored

Van Persie- banged 30 goals twice while with us, win a golden boot with us, was mostly out injured and still dropped good numbers.

Giroud- highest goal tally with us in the league was 16, was mostly fit, went on some goal drought despite we chasing the league.

One was good with us and the other was average.
Do you want us to go by goals per min? Will you change your stance if Giroud matches RVP?
You know you are not honest with your assessment. Are we comparing their best season or their entire Arsenal career as a whole? because twice Van Persie scored just 5goals in a season.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 6:31am On Jan 06, 2024
mostob:
According to your last paragraph, the stat was not enough to rate Havertz ahead of Xhaka right? Because Xhaka brings more stability and leadership on the pitch.

So why did you disagree when we told you the stat was not enough to put RVP and Giroud in the same class?
Rating a player above another is different from placing them in the same class. RvP has better stats than Giroud there is no doubt about this, it is clear. But their stats are close enough to place them within the same class.

Meanwhile...
I didn't say the stats were not enough. I said based on their stats so far, Xhaka and Havertz are at par. That is they have the same results basically. Xhaka scored just 7 goals last season. Havertz has only 4 with about 19games to go. He can still easily surpass Xhaka's record even with fewer games because he will not play up to 37 PL this season. I only concluded that the reason I will still prefer Xhaka (for now) is because of the stability that control games and the leadership too.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 6:25pm On Jan 05, 2024
mostob:
Oya

Who was more effective?

Who has the better stat?

Answer these questions
Xhaka scored 7goals last season in 37games. Havertz has 4 already. So basically for now they are at par.

That's their goals contributions. However Xhaka brings more in terms of stability and leadership in the midfield.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 6:21pm On Jan 05, 2024
Shegzdave:
I’ve been following the back and forth on this matter, I’ve not seen where anyone described Giroud as useless, the context was AVERAGE and not useless, every Arsenal fan can agree he was average while he was with us.

As for the insults, it’s not needed nah, we can all converse without the need for insults and moreover, I believe most people here are adults so please keep the insults
RVP with a G to G ratio of 0.5 can also be called average right?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 6:18pm On Jan 05, 2024
BlueRayDick:
Oga the discussion is about who was a better striker for us and clearly it is Van Persie. He scored 30 goals twice and 18 goals twice. Giroud highest was 16 and he only managed to achieve that twice.

E say that's not fair grin. Na me hold him leg and head not to score while his mates are scoring?

Maybe u don't know that Wilfred Bony of Swansea (A much lower quality team to Arsenal) that year sef score 16 EPL goals in two seasons. grin
Mtchew!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 2:52pm On Jan 05, 2024
Shegzdave:
How will an ardent Arsenal fan compare Van Persie and Giroud in their goal scoring ability?

Some people just like argument sha
How can you just jump into an argument without first finding out the premise. Na wa for you.

I keep saying that this is an argument about whether Giroud is useless or not but about RVP Vs Giroud.

Even from the figures they is a difference in their outputs which no one has disputed. The question is based on that difference can you say Giroud was useless? I don't get how ten people in this forum can't comprehend a simple statement.

If Van Persie scored 0.5goals per game and Giroud scored 0.4goals, can we say Giroud was useless? Simple question you guys turned it to Giroud Vs Van Persie.

If I insult somebody now they will say I don start. angry
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 2:45pm On Jan 05, 2024
BlueRayDick:
How can u take away his last two seasons? Everybody that watched Arsenal knew Van Persie was almost always injured which frustrated him and the fans alike.

When he was eventually healthy he proved he was not an average striker like Giroud was all through his stay at Arsenal. I see u struggle to accept Giroud was average all through his stay, but it is what it is.

Their goal haul is there for everyone to see na Haba!
You are isolating two seasons for Van Persie but taking 6seasons for Giroud. That's not fair. Giroud wasn't exceptional but he was average in terms of being useless either. He is just a normal striker. He is currently the record goal scorer for France. If this does not mean a thing to you guys then no apologies.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 12:45pm On Jan 05, 2024
Should we talk about Xhaka Vs Havertz?

Anyone?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 12:42pm On Jan 05, 2024
BlueRayDick:
grin

Person wey score 30 goals in 2 different seasons and 18 goals in 2 different seasons, shey na mate with person wey score just 16 goals in 2 seasons at his peak ?

NB: The former is injury prone while the latter is one healthy sexy moda4ka
BlueRayDick:
grin

Person wey score 30 goals in 2 different seasons and 18 goals in 2 different seasons, shey na mate with person wey score just 16 goals in 2 seasons at his peak ?

NB: The former is injury prone while the latter is one healthy sexy moda4ka
Lol @ bolded.

When I gave the illustrations below pix, that is exactly what I meant. Take away his last season for Arsenal and RVP would have been completely anonymous and below average. Whereas Giroud howbeit not spectacular but was consistent in delivering double figures throughout his stay apart from his last season.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 12:27pm On Jan 05, 2024
daveP:
Chai. Chai chai. Acting unschooled?


Okay.......🚶🏿‍♂️🚶🏿‍♂️🚶🏿‍♂️🚶🏿‍♂️🚶🏿‍♂️
You said you deliberately posted wrong data just to see my reaction. That's an educated person acting like he is uneducated. If it was a mistake or not deliberate I'll understand. But knowingly posting wrong stats and saying that you did so deliberately does not speak well of you as someone that want to engage constructively. I expected a simple apology. Thank you.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 12:20pm On Jan 05, 2024
BlueRayDick:
If Northerners never ready to join the protest, the government will still find way to bring it under control.

If any revolution will succeed in this country, it must start in the north.

My reason for saying this is very simple; the southerners can easily be divided by the government along tribal lines, religious lines, cultural lines and so many other lines u can think of. The northerners are much more homogenous in their culture; once they band together to take a course of action they are mostly indivisible.

I may be wrong tho, but that is what I think
You are right. I also believe that no matter what divides us, at a point hunger will unite everybody.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 10:41am On Jan 05, 2024
Amoto94:
Germany Drops Planned Subsidy Cuts After Farmers Protest:
Nihilistjnr remember when I said countries offer subsidies and subsidy is not a bad thing
For Nigeria it is the corruption associated with subsidy that is the problem not subsidy itself.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 10:39am On Jan 05, 2024
TrebleChamp:
True. One can even guess that Pres. Yar'Adua was pressure by powerful people to reverse the sale, since the refineries present probably their biggest avenue to loot the Country without fear of probe. NNPC doing turnaround maintainance on our refineries for years without any end result can be considered the biggest scam ever, we wait to see if Tinubu Presidency will finally get the refineries working again....
I'll remain pessimistic about the bolded until I am pleasantly surprised. I sincerely doubt anything good will come out from there going by their body language.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: EPL Chatroom - All Discussions by Spy360(m): 10:36am On Jan 05, 2024
Roland17:
Even if they increase it to #2500 per litre, nothing go happen, Nigerians will only moan but will still buy....
There's what is called limit of tolerance. I hope our tolerance doesn't exceed that price.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m):
daveP:
i deliberately left out the season range for just arsenal time cos i was so so sure that you'll try hard to further dodge the reality. Lol. You didn't disappoint sha😎

This is faulty but your 0.4 that remains undefined metric by you is more relevant?
mostob:
But Giroud played for Chelsea too na. Oya bring the records.
Why are you people acting unschooled?

We are grading Giroud using RVP as a yard stick in games played for Arsenal. You guys are including games played for other clubs and still think you're making sense?

Modified: I have seen the correct stats and I was expecting someone to make a statement on those stats.

Permit me to do so.
I think that 0.5 for RVP and 0.4 for Giroud does not translate to Giroud being useless. In fact statistically they can be classed together when you factor in the performance statistics of someone like Henry at the upper limit and Lacazette at the lower limit. This has always been my point. Mind you, no one is saying that he was a better player than RVP, but what we are saying is that he wasn't useless as erroneously claimed by some of you. A better breakdown season by season confirms that RVP only had a good season in his final two years for Arsenal especially his final year. Before that he was basically average. Giroud on the other hand wasn't spectacular but managed to deliver double figures each time apart from his final year.

I have included that of Henry as reference.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga)Re: Arsenal Fans Thread: The Red & White Army: 2025/2026 EPL Champions! by Spy360(m): 7:40pm On Jan 04, 2024
mostob:
Spy, what do you have to say about this? Since you have been dodging my question about the class mark you used to categorize RVP amd Giroud together. Are the two still similar?
The stats Davep brought are faulty because some of the games RVP played in the PL were for United not Arsenal. We are looking at strictly Arsenal games. May be he didn't understand the root of the argument.

I am waiting for Blueray to give his affirmative statement so that I will provide the goals per minute records.

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